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| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Sangoamadioha1: 5:52pm On Mar 20 |
voiceunheard:This one dey farm engagement on Nairaland 🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 6:28pm On Mar 20 |
Sangoamadioha1:Anything you call it. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by ceeceeuwa: 10:32pm On Mar 25 |
voiceunheard:Sorry for all you have been through. My sincere advice is this, you have to work on your character. Maybe your life experiences has contributed to this. Learn to forgive and let go of hurt! The more you are quick to find fault with people,the more you keep hurting yourself. Unburden your heart! Love yourself, forgive and let go! Forgiveness doesn't mean you should let the people that hurt you deeply back into your life. Observe them from a distance! ❤️ and 💥 |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by SisterAnn(f): 1:50pm On Mar 27 |
voiceunheard:Ok you just landed 🤣 The format never changes. 🤡 |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 9:04pm On Mar 27 |
SisterAnn:Keep laughing yourself to scorn. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 4:02pm On Mar 28 |
ceeceeuwa:Thank you for your concern and kind words. They are genuinely appreciated. However I want to respectfully clarify one thing. This is not about fault finding or character flaws. I came from an abusive home, was stranded with no support, went to a church seeking temporary shelter, and a pastor made a specific unsolicited promise in God's name that cost me my health, my finances, and months of my life. I have documented evidence of threatening messages he sent when I sought accountability. That is not fault finding. That is documented reality. I also want to say something that I think is important for anyone reading this. Staying silent when someone wrongs you does not make you a better person. Allowing people to mistreat you without seeking accountability is not a virtue. Speaking up about genuine documented harm is not a character flaw. It is dignity. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by NerdCat(m): 8:28pm On Mar 30 |
Some very funny replies so far. I'll use this here post as an illustration. otipoju:Ironically, your opening line here was the smartest thing you produced in this riposte, and you promptly ignored its counsel. A rare moment of self-awareness, swiftly executed and buried. What followed was a masterclass in saying the loud part loud while somehow still missing the entire point - leaving behind a comment that reads as simultaneously devoid of empathy and remarkably ill-informed, a combination that ages about as gracefully as warm mayonnaise. You see, this is often what you get when you conflate being blunt with being wise, and then decide to moonlight as an unsolicited life coach. Nigerians have practically institutionalized this particular brand of cynicism-disguised-as-counsel. But before I get to the meat of this response, I'll start by highlighting the legal absurdity here, front and center: otipoju:Actually, mate - in most functioning legal systems, a promise that causes someone to materially alter their course of action to their own detriment is called a promissory estoppel and it absolutely can create liability. Not only did she receive a promise, she literally abandoned a viable legal remedy because of it. otipoju:So the pastor's promise is unenforceable, but the dead father's curse is still fully operational? That's some interesting theological selectivity. Apparently, the supernatural is only valid when it's working against you. otipoju:This line is where I had to physically set down my beverage. Completely unverifiable, completely irrelevant, and delivered with the casual cruelty of someone who thinks they're being refreshingly honest when they're actually just being foul. Now - and I'll be fair here - buried somewhere in the labyrinthine rubble of your reply is one recoverable point: otipoju:Yes, chronic oversharing of vulnerability with the wrong people is tactically dangerous. That's true. Predators do use disclosed pain as a targeting system. Fine. Valid. One mark in the ledger. But the delivery method chosen here was to essentially tell a woman who got stranded, threatened, and gaslit by a man of God that her character is the problem. Not the fraud, not the institutional cover-up, but the victim herself. Victim-blaming at its most blatantly shameless if you ask me. Change your character tooThat's all? After paragraphs of speculation about her mother's fidelity and her father's curses? This is arguably the most damning indictment of your staggering lack of self-awareness. It's a toss up between this and when the pastor told her not to become a prostitute while refusing to pay rent he promised. Not sure which is less self-aware at the moment. And this is yet another problem with religion. Certain religious structures create the perfect ecosystem for exactly this - a hierarchy where authority is sacred, accountability is optional, and the vulnerable are perpetually told their suffering is a spiritual character flaw rather than someone else's actionable misconduct. And you've exemplified this problem rather excellently with this post. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Ishilove: 9:14pm On Mar 30 |
Orisiri. That's why we must always pray against the spirit of promise and fail. It is vain to hope in man, because they can disappoint. The pastor seems like a terrible individual, by the way. Op, you sef have your own share of the blame. You should have had a plan b instead depending on promises |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 11:26am On Mar 31 |
NerdCat:Thank you for taking the time to read carefully and respond with such clarity and legal precision. This is exactly the kind of engagement this situation deserves. I wanted to address some of the things he said, but at the same time, I don't want to come across as being aggressive, because some people are already attacking my character here. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by otipoju(m): 11:41am On Mar 31 |
NerdCat:Once again, you displayed plenty of knowledge without any iota wisdom. The girl,her father, the pastor, and the church administration are all a bunch of nasty people. You can report my account for ban again. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 11:42am On Mar 31 |
Ishilove:I actually had a plan before he made the promise, it was his promise that dismantled my plan. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 11:44am On Mar 31 |
otipoju:Including you. Nobody reported your account. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Ishilove: 12:34pm On Mar 31 |
voiceunheard:Take some responsibility for this mess you find yourself in. You should have had a back up plan (the aforementioned Plan B) irregardless of whatever promises the man made. A bird in hand is worth 10 in the bush. You had no "bird in hand" but rather was hoping on the 10 in the bush. Until a promise materialises, take it on the surface level. If they like let them promise to heavens, if it hasn't materialised, have a back up plan. I am curious, did you let him know that you had plans of your own and his promises have made you shelve them? If you did and he still assured you that there was no need to move forward with them, then you are very well right to drag him. But if you didn't, then it still boils down to your excessive dependence on promises. Be that as it may, it has passed. After this experience, the man will be very careful about how he makes pledges. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by otipoju(m): 12:34pm On Mar 31 |
voiceunheard:Na the people wey still dey respond to you wey think sey you be better person. Dem no know say you be first class troublemaker. I quickly figured you out. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:13pm On Mar 31 |
Ishilove:Of course I told him I had plan (and he was asking me how am I sure it will work?), I wasn't after his money at first. Although, there is no way I will tell him my full plan, but I came there just to seek a temporary accommodation while pursuing my plan, not for financial assistance, before he made the promise. Like I said earlier (my reply to someone), before you see me ask for anything from people, it's difficult. Even when people decide on their own to help me, most times I don't accept. It's because let it not be as if someone is an enemy of herself, you pray to God and God answered through someone and you say you won't accept, tomorrow you say God doesn't answer prayer. That is why I accept sometimes. Assuming I know his promise wasn't genuine, I won't have accepted. I asked him several times if he is sure he will fulfill his promise and he said he doesn't make empty promises. I later told him I have more than half of the money for rent, and his response was that I shouldn't go into prostitution to get money to rent a house, and promise to give me the remaining money but at the end he did nothing, what followed was silence. You said a bird in hand is worth ten in the bush. I agree completely. But what happens when someone in spiritual authority takes the bird out of your hand, promises you ten in the bush, and then disappears? The bird was the police action I could have taken immediately. He took it from my hand with his advice, asking me not to go to the police. The ten in the bush was his promise. He never delivered it. I didn't ask him for financial assistance. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:17pm On Mar 31*. Modified: 1:00pm On Apr 01 |
otipoju:So, that was all you could figure out? Because I reported the pastor. Continue to figure out, I won't tell you to stop. You, always let people mistreat you and go free, always be silent since you are not a troublemaker. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by BAMMZ(m): 1:24pm On Mar 31 |
This matter should be handled in America where there is the judge and the jury....... |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Ishilove: 2:38pm On Mar 31 |
voiceunheard:Hmm, now I understand better. You had a course of action planned out and this individual ruined that plan after making several assurances. He was aware of your planned course of action, but he still did not deliver, thereby making you lose at both ends (somewhat). What makes it worse is he is in spiritual authority and should have acted better. This must have been very bitter and very disappointing. Gosh, what a nasty individual. No wonder you are royally pissed off. See, op, this life is more spiritual than physical. While tackling the physical, also tackle the spiritual. Don't stop praying against the spirit of promise and fail, the spirit of rejection and hardship, negative auras and curses (parental, foundational and self acquired). This life can be a battlefield but just keep trusting in God. As for that pastor, he is a very terrible person and I hope nemesis catches up with him. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by NerdCat(m): 3:20pm On Mar 31 |
otipoju:And you have displayed none of the above. otipoju:Hmmm. That's a lot of "nasty" to keep track of. Did you run out of theological excuses and decide to just hate everyone? otipoju:Why would I report you? Your comments are the best evidence I have for my points. If you get banned, I lose my favorite living illustration of what happens when cynicism meets a total lack of reading comprehension. So sit tight, I’m not done with the lesson. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by otipoju(m): 4:51pm On Mar 31 |
NerdCat:You have the floor to yourself. You can take up her case and fight for her rights in the courts of law or on the pages of nairaland. Enjoy. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by NerdCat(m): 7:36pm On Mar 31 |
otipoju:A man who suggested someone's mother may have been unfaithful is now performing dignity on his way out. Lol. The audacity travels in a full suit and tie. Well, I didn't need your permission to be right anyway, but I appreciate the formal ceremony. You may now return to your regularly scheduled victim-blaming. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 12:49pm On Apr 01 |
otipoju:Why handing over the floor? because you have nothing left to stand on. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 12:57pm On Apr 01*. Modified: 1:16pm On Apr 01 |
Ishilove:He will surely face the consequences of what he has done, and it will dawn on him. The most painful part is that he doesn't even know the depth of what he has done. That was one of the reasons I reported him, for the church to talk sense into him, let him know that what he did is wrong. He sounds like someone who is manipulative/a deceiver, who listens to gossip and acts on it without verifying, etc If there is anyone who asked him not to fulfill his promise after ruining my plan, he will regret why he listened to the person, the person will also regret why he/she told him so. The aggression I could have directed towards the people who unlawfully evicted me, he asked me not to and still he didn't fulfill his promise, that is why I have to direct the aggression towards him. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Ishilove: 1:46pm On Apr 01 |
voiceunheard:While doing that, start to get your life back together. If you can't repay the loans, lock up, borrow military mind and start blocking their loan recovery agents when they begin bombarding you with calls and texts. Even Nigeria is owing and you won't be the first person to default. Last last you won't be able to borrow again because of your bad credit score but that is better than giving yourself high bp over what you can't control. When you financially able, repay the principal and ignore whatever late payment fees that has accrued. The worst thing you can do to yourself is to borrow to repay loans. That is like digging pits to fill up holes. In all, be prayerful because there is a lot going on in your life which you are not aware of. Wake up seriously. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 3:37pm On Apr 01 |
Ishilove:Thank God you understand the depth of what the pastor has done, most people here don't. They keep telling me that I went too far to report him, that I should have "just move on", another person here said I am a troublemaker. The pastor deserves it. He doesn't value his reputation that some are trying to protect here. Concerning the debt he has put me into, I will have to look for a way to repay the loan. Me leaving it and I cannot borrow again, when I don't have, how am I going to cope? Because I don't know to beg/ask from people. Concerning me praying, I normally pray especially about what the pastor said "that he will soon find himself where he least bargain for" (this period) because I reported him. If he like, let him engage in Pentecostal witchcraft, he will use his head and carry it double fold (I wish he is seeing this). A person who said "he will die within a short time", can go to any length to do anything. Although, I may not be praying as I am supposed to because what the pastor did also affected my prayer life (made my spirit to be shattered). |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by Ishilove: 3:47pm On Apr 01 |
voiceunheard:He really said your enemy will die within a short time?? He said he wants to see how you will go far in life? Did he make these pronouncements before you reported him, or after you reported? |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 4:10pm On Apr 01 |
Ishilove:He said "he will die within a short time", that "he will soon find himself where he least bargain for". That was after I reported him. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by otipoju(m): 5:46pm On Apr 01 |
voiceunheard:Comment farmer !!! You life is your life. Keep fighting yourself. You will win eventually. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 7:23pm On Apr 01*. Modified: 7:40pm On Apr 01 |
otipoju:Don't confuse yourself here trying to reframe the entire situation!!! Name calling from someone who has genuinely run out of substance. Continue to prioritize endurance over accountability. |
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