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Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op):
Are you aware that all federal institutions at the national level including INEC and judiciary, relevant in your country's electoral process have been captured by Tinubu? How can you still be advocating for voting and election as a means to remove a federal government that is comprised of a seat tight selfish president and a national assemby that will never yield to a national referendum?

A revolution to remove a dictatorial rebellious corrupt government especially when all other democratic institutions to checkmate the government have been captured is not an anomaly because the constitution and all relevant statutory provisions derives it's power and legitimacy from the people..... When all democratic processes, democratic institutions including the government fails to uphold the will of the people for a national referendum over their country's unity, a revolutionary mass movement to dissolve such government becomes a last resort for the people...

budaatum:
This is not true. And I wonder where you get the idea from. Its definitely not from our Constitution nor is it in any other countries constitution as far as I know, unless by "thrown out" you mean impeached, for which a democratically elected majority is still required.

A government that does not "obey the will of the people" should be voted out by the people at the next election.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op):
Why not speak for yourself instead of your cheap attempt to arouse the tribal emotions of others by using the word "We", your skewed assumption in trying to force a tribal inclination of an igbo presidency as the underlying reason behind my opinion is wrong and false because at no point did I mention I wanted an igbo presidency or supported any candidate in the upcoming election..... Comments such as yours is a perfect example why Nigeria needs a national referendum..... Let's assume you are right that I want Biafra, why should wanting to exercise my right to self-determination be seen as a crime? Can you see the injustice of one Nigeria? Lack of tolerance and freedom to exercise consent over a forced union will never bring about peace or patriotism Nigeria needs to become a progressive nation. The sectionalism perpetrated by so many people like you will continue to reinforce the undeniable notion that there is no genuine unity among Nigerians, only suspicion and selfish tribal sentiments pervades Nigeria's national polity....

Goosethetruth:
We all know your antecedents. We can read between the lines. Your rebellious history preceeds you. We all know your advocacy is not for democracy but for anarchy. It is either your way or no way.
Despite your surreptitious attempts to mask it,we see through you. The agenda is either an Ibo man becomes president of Nigeria OR anarchy and rebellion to achieve Biafra. That is all what you have masquraded under this sesquipedalian write up. We know your antecedents.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 3:01pm On Mar 21
You are not under any obligation to keep an unworkable system. If you believe that you've no choice then there is no need having this conversation with you....

BATified2023:
don't forget the present is a Continuum of the past, your forefathers laid d foundation n we will follow it to the very end
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by gidgiddy: 3:06pm On Mar 21
aswani:
You are right, feel free to go and send IPOB goons to the UK.
Same way you guys have been free to claim the country created by the UK, as your own

Even the name "Nigeria" was created in London by a white woman. That one you guys stole as well
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 3:26pm On Mar 21
What brought you here miss nairalanda1.....? Note I am not a "She"....

nairalanda1:
Good comment, my dear Miss truthera
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 3:28pm On Mar 21
Don't mind that commentator, cherrypicking blame to push a false narrative....

gidgiddy:
Same as no referendum made you a Nigerian
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 3:59pm On Mar 21
truthera:
What brought you here miss nairalanda1.....? Note I am not a "She"....
Well you and seewahala were busy calling me she, so I am following your example, oga madam.

Good job, Mrs truth era
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:06pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Don't mind that commentator, cherrypicking blame to push a false narrative....
You are speaking well, madam.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:08pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Why not speak for yourself instead of your cheap attempt to arouse the tribal emotions of others by using the word "We", your skewed assumption in trying to force a tribal inclination of an igbo presidency as the underlying reason behind my opinion is wrong and false because at no point did I mention I wanted an igbo presidency or supported any candidate in the upcoming election..... Comments such as yours is a perfect example why Nigeria needs a national referendum..... Let's assume you are right that I want Biafra, why should wanting to exercise my right to self-determination be seen as a crime? Can you see the injustice of one Nigeria? Lack of tolerance and freedom to exercise consent over a forced union will never bring about peace or patriotism Nigeria needs to become a progressive nation. The sectionalism perpetrated by so many people like you will continue to reinforce the undeniable notion that there is no genuine unity among Nigerians, only suspicion and selfish tribal sentiments pervades Nigeria's national polity....
You have articulated your points very well, madam. You really speak better than many men and members of your gender
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:10pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Yesterday is history, no one can go back in time to undo what has been done, you can only change today and tomorrow. Nigeria will continue to retrogress unless justice and the underlying undeniable truth over it's fragile unity is addressed.....
Excellent post, madam. You have explained it well to that guy
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:11pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Are you aware that all federal institutions at the national level including INEC and judiciary, relevant in your country's electoral process have been captured by Tinubu? How can you still be advocating for voting and election as a means to remove a federal government that is comprised of a seat tight selfish president and a national assemby that will never yield to a national referendum?

A revolution to remove a dictatorial rebellious corrupt government especially when all other democratic institutions to checkmate the government have been captured is not an anomaly because the constitution and all relevant statutory provisions derives it's power and legitimacy from the people..... When all democratic processes, democratic institutions including the government fails to uphold the will of the people for a national referendum over their country's unity, a revolutionary mass movement to dissolve such government becomes a last resort for the people...
This post is exquisitely exquisite, madam. You are really very articulate, dear lady
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:13pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Freedom is the source of life, without freedom, life has no meaning.... If a national referendum on Nigeria's unity will end up splitting the country into 100 other countries I see nothing wrong with that, provided that is what the people want..... The problem comes when you try to force a fake unity, a fake marriage without seeking their consent.... Indigenous people should have the right to choose if you must build a progressive nation.... Note that it is Nigerians that will champion the actualization of this national referendum through a revolutionary mass movement and not corrupt selfish Senators and Reps members in Nigeria's national assembly. Also, I noticed that you seem to be scared of a national referendum because of separation but it may surprise you that a large section of the country may vote to remain in Nigeria when given the chance to exercise their consent.

You said "Smart people know that splitting Nigeria into what could end up being like a hundred different nations is not viable".... You are simply being selfish by saying this and that is not smartness.... A forced union is simply a prison, an abusive relationship that can't foster lastng peace... patriotism will continue to diminish until people's right to choose are respected and not trampled on to force one Nigeria.... The country will continue to retrogress, no voting or elections can save this country or inspire true patriotism as it is built on a forced fake union, it is built on lies....
Your wisdom is your beauty, madam. Great post. I hope your fellow women can give it 1000000.likes.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by nairalanda1(m): 4:14pm On Mar 21
truthera:
You made it clear that the 2023 election was in your own words "as fair as fair can be" and that you do not support referendum due to tribalistic considerations when you said the following below....





You are also wrong for saying that any one can leave Nigeria when it is also not true when you said and I quote below....



Because no indigenous people can leave Nigeria with their ancestral lands to form their own country....
You are an example of why women need to run this country ma. I hope that you are going to run for president, my dear miss truthera
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 4:26pm On Mar 21
truthera:
Are you aware that all federal institutions at the national level including INEC and judiciary, relevant in your country's electoral process have been captured by Tinubu?
If true, Tinubu is the president. The majority of voting Nigerians elected him there to go and do as he pleases within the Constitution.

If you don't like it, replace him with someone else by voting for someone else at the next election.

And please consider my Peter Obi please.

Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 7:22pm On Mar 21
Goosethetruth:
We all know your antecedents. We can read between the lines. Your rebellious history preceeds you. We all know your advocacy is not for democracy but for anarchy. It is either your way or no way.
Despite your surreptitious attempts to mask it,we see through you. The agenda is either an Ibo man becomes president of Nigeria OR anarchy and rebellion to achieve Biafra. That is all what you have masquraded under this sesquipedalian write up. We know your antecedents.
Had to go look it up. Appear intellectual or pretentious lol.

I want Peter Obi to be president! He is an Igbo man. And I have no reason to believe he will do "anarchy and rebellion to achieve Biafra". He wouldn't be able to anyway because the Senate and Reps and Governors. And I want APC out. They been there too long and we do need a change, and Atiku just don't tickle my fancy.

I must say however that if this fear of "anarchy and rebellion to achieve Biafra" is valid or even promoted a little by a more vocal few, then I guess......... Sadly.

But I don't believe it! So, vote for my Obi!
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op):
I am convinced now that you do not want to be objective because I've on several occasions pointed out why voting or participating in national presidential elections won't bring about any positive change under the current circumstances (lack of patriotism and national unity). Let's assume election will make a difference, you will be delusional to think that Tinubu having consolidated power by virtue of his control of the NASS, INEC, judiciary and over 30 governors will allow a free and fair election next year..... I do hope you are sincere about not being a covert Tinubu supporter because if you are, then may be you will get a clearer picture of what I've been trying to tell you when you vote again and he is declared the winner.... For now, I will leave you to your fate. You are free to participate in Tinunu's game by voting in his carefully crafted election next year.... Once you go through another experience of a controversial loss to his party then we may continue the conversation...... that's if you're sincere about your political affiliation.....

budaatum:
If true, Tinubu is the president. The majority of voting Nigerians elected him there to go and do as he pleases within the Constitution.

If you don't like it, replace him with someone else by voting for someone else at the next election.

And please consider my Peter Obi please.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 3:22am On Mar 22
truthera:
I am convinced now that you do not want to be objective because I've on several occasions pointed out ....
I have the funny feeling that you think because you you have pointed out your opinion on several occasions that it must therefore become my own opinion. That is why you can not accept that I do not agree with what you claim you have pointed out.

It's the same way you insist that a 'majority' that you have shown us no way to determine should just impose an interim government on us instead of us voting for our government for our self.

Good luck with that. And vote for Obi please.

Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 3:44am On Mar 22
You don't need to agree with me.... What matters is the truth.... Did I lie when I said Nigeria suffer from a lack of unity as result of a forced union? Did Tinubu win the last election fairly and will he allow a fair election knowing he is unpopular over the failures of his government?

If you doubt or do not agree that what I say is true, that's okay, overtime, all what we discuss here will be put to the test....

As regards what I said about interim government, you are wrong to say I want Nigerians (majority) to impose an interim government on you because if you read the comment, I said that as a conditional logical recommendation....

I will continue to make my opinion on how best to address Nigeria's problems, if Nigerians decide to not pursue a national referendum, you are free to participate in next year's election if you must vote.... We may continue the conversation if after voting you are made to once again face the uncomfortable truth about Nigeria..... For now, I will leave you to your fate....

budaatum:
I have the funny feeling that you think because you you have pointed out your opinion on several occasions that it must therefore become my own opinion. That is why you can not accept that I do not agree with what you claim you have pointed out.

It's the same way you insist that a 'majority' that you have shown us no way to determine should just impose an interim government on us instead of us voting for our government for our self.

Good luck with that. And vote for Obi please.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 1:37am On Mar 24
truthera:
You don't need to agree with me.... What matters is the truth....
https://www.nairaland.com/8640712/tinubu-wife-son-posters-flood#138868649
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 10:04am On Mar 31
Checked the link.... I do not see Tinubu conceding in an election he controls except Nigerians fight for a fair election.... I still maintain that Nigerians are better off pushing for a national referendum between now and 2027....


budaatum:
https://www.nairaland.com/8640712/tinubu-wife-son-posters-flood#138868649
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by jahsharon: 10:11am On Mar 31
truthera:
If you read the post, you will know I've no preferred candidate in any Nigerian election. If you can't proffer any meaningful solution apart from the usual divisive rhetorics of Obi vs Tinubu that pervades this forum then it is best to remain silent...
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Go and do meaningful things with your time and stop wasting away
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 1:28pm On Mar 31
Hmmmm, Sharon don't waste your anger on my thread.... Channel your pain towards ending the cosmetic retrogressive union called "One Nigeria" that is the root of your challenges and that of so many other Nigerians.....

jahsharon:
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Go and do meaningful things with your time and stop wasting away
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by citizenY(m): 4:58pm On Mar 31
budaatum:
Yes, I am part of the problem Nigeria faces and responsible for all your hardship.

Now, if only you would go and vote for your prefered candidate, we'd hold you responsible too even if your candidate lost like my Obi lost. But note even he is not campaigning for a breakup of Nigeria, so you might need to run for president yourself so you can exercise as much freedom as you like.
Honestly, l suggest you should stop responding to this fellow. There are proper structures for a referendum in place.. viz... a legislature, a political platform, elections by way of voting, a consittuency.

Whatever he wants, a referendum or even two seats for Nigeria at the Ùnited Nations, can be done through his elected representative. If such is not done, blame him and his representative.

This country is for all of us. Anybody who feels he is running faster should carry on. We go meet you for road when you taya..... and pass you. In short desperados are not welcome.

It is morning yet on creation day for this country. We should be very careful as we proceed. Nation building is an arduous task, not talk talk and mouthing cliches
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 5:05pm On Mar 31
citizenY:
Honestly, l suggest you should stop responding to this fellow. There are proper structures for a referendum in place.. viz... a legislature, a political platform, elections by way of voting, a consittuency.

Whatever he wants, a referendum or even two seats for Nigeria at the Ùnited Nations, can be done through his elected representative. If such is not done, blame him and his representative.

This coubtry is for all of us. Anybody who feels he is running faster should carrybon. We go meet for road when you taya..... and pass you. In short desperados are not welcome.
Except that my responses are not only for this fellow, I'd have gladly taken your very wise advice.

It compels your like to further educate him, and that is worth more than gold.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by citizenY(m): 5:11pm On Mar 31
budaatum:
Except that my responses are not only for this fellow, I'd have gladly taken your very wise advice.

It compels your like to further educate him, and that is worth more than gold.
Lets see his reaction .
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by budaatum: 5:21pm On Mar 31
citizenY:
Lets see his reaction .
We've already seen his reaction, lol.

He does not want us to vote in elections, but wants us to vote in a referendum we need to vote and win an election to get.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op):
Why do you still think that you've a normal country under APC? You are free to play Tinubu's game, vote in the next election and see how it goes.. We will continue the conversation when the time comes.... hopefully you will understand better all I've been trying to tell you by then....

budaatum:
We've already seen his reaction, lol.

He does not want us to vote in elections, but wants us to vote in a referendum we need to vote and win an election to get.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 8:46pm On Mar 31
Elected or self imposed selfish corrupt representatives? What are the structures for a referendum when all arms of government and federal institutions have been captured by Tinubu and his party? If the country was for "all of us" as you may presume then I see no reason why you can't see that only a people backed revolution can bring about a national referendum under these hopeless circumstances.... Except you want to remain in self-denial of your reality, Nigeria's federal government and it's public institutions is gone. 2027 election will bring all that I've discussed here to bare.....

citizenY:
Honestly, l suggest you should stop responding to this fellow. There are proper structures for a referendum in place.. viz... a legislature, a political platform, elections by way of voting, a consittuency.

Whatever he wants, a referendum or even two seats for Nigeria at the Ùnited Nations, can be done through his elected representative. If such is not done, blame him and his representative.

This country is for all of us. Anybody who feels he is running faster should carry on. We go meet you for road when you taya..... and pass you. In short desperados are not welcome.

It is morning yet on creation day for this country. We should be very careful as we proceed. Nation building is an arduous task, not talk talk and mouthing cliches
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by citizenY(m): 10:10pm On Mar 31
truthera:
Elected or self imposed selfish corrupt representatives? What are the structures for a referendum when all arms of government and federal institutions have been captured by Tinubu and his party? If the country was for "all of us" as you may presume then I see no reason why you can't see that only a people backed revolution can bring about a national referendum under these hopeless circumstances.... Except you want to remain in self-denial of your reality, Nigeria's federal government and it's public institutions is gone. 2027 election will bring all that I've discussed here to bare.....
We are telling you that you can only get your referendum through your elected representatives and constitutional process and you are fixated in your denigration of the same process and institutions. Continue shadow boxing.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by truthera(op): 10:48pm On Mar 31
Hmmmm.... denigrating "elected representatives and constitutional process".... the constitution and all relevant statutory provisions derives it's power and legitimacy from the people..... When all democratic public institutions have been captured, a revolution remains the only viable option for the people...

What do you gain from living in self-denial over a captured lawless country like Nigeria, where what you call constitutional processes are been denigrated on a daily basis? IMO, there is nothing left to denigrate as long as Nigeria is concerned. I hope you will be courageous to interact here after Tinubu through vote buying and systematic rigging is declared the winner in 2027 presidential election....

citizenY:
We are telling you that you can only get your referendum through your elected representatives and constitutional process and you are fixated in your denigration of the same process and institutions. Continue shadow boxing.
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by citizenY(m): 12:54am On Apr 01
truthera:
Hmmmm.... denigrating "elected representatives and constitutional process".... the constitution and all relevant statutory provisions derives it's power and legitimacy from the people..... When all democratic public institutions have been captured, a revolution remains the only viable option for the people...

What do you gain from living in self-denial over a captured lawless country like Nigeria, where what you call constitutional processes are been denigrated on a daily basis? IMO, there is nothing left to denigrate as long as Nigeria is concerned. I hope you will be courageous to interact here after Tinubu through vote buying and systematic rigging is declared the winner in 2027 presidential election....
So which instruments are you going to use to get your referendum? Or you have another constitition in your kitty?
Re: Why Nigeria Urgently Needs A National Referendum And Not An Election In 2027 by orisa37: 2:29am On Apr 01
NIGERIA WILL ALWAYS REQUIRE FRIVOLOUS EXCUSES FOR NOTHINGNESS.
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