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I came across a content online: https://youtube.com/shorts/Cb_VWQno6i4?si=J7zHWr1l4LGBWL-t
and something came to my mind

DID JUDAH REALLY BETRAY JESUS OR WAS HE JUST PLAYING HIS PART?

Alright, let’s think this through calmly, abeg no insults o, just honest reasoning and small humor, Could Judah really had betrayed Jesus if Jesu and God already planned everything?......Jesus didn’t “guess” the betrayal, He clearly foretold it in the Gospel of Matthew. That already raises a question: if something is predicted as certain, was it avoidable?

Let’s be real, without Judas, no arrest.
Without arrest, no crucifixion.
Without crucifixion… no salvation story.
So Judas didn’t just “mess up”, his action is literally a key part of the entire plan.

Then in the Gospel of John, Jesus tells Judas, “What you’re about to do, do quickly.” I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like someone trying to stop Judah from betraying him, infact there is even a reason to argue that it was the holy spirit that put it in his heart to do so

If Judas had full free will, then God’s plan depended on him making the “wrong” choice.
But if it was all part of a divine plan, then Judas wasn’t exactly improvising, he was playing his role.

Now I’m not saying Judas deserves a “hero of the year” award ooo
But let’s be honest for a second…

If the story needed him, why is he the only one we drag?

So tell me, are we judging a traitor… or blaming a man who did what the script required?

Richman2023:
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If the story needed him, why is he the only one we drag? So tell me, are we judging a traitor… or blaming a man who did what the script required?

If your mama don figure out say na you dey steal meat from her pot, and the used that in setting a trap for others, that go mean say you wey steal.meat were nuts playing your part? 🥱🥱🥱

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Anyways, here are 5 books that every Nigerian should read this year. Every Nigerian needs to educate themselves on Islam and why Sharia Law needs to be removed from the Constitution, if Nigerians are to overcome the islamic terrorist scourge that has ravaged life and living for most.

1. Sirah Rasullulah by Ibn IShaq
2. The Quran
3. Reliance of the Traveler
4. The Hadiths(Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al-Bukhari)
5. The Muqaddimah by Ibn Khaldun
6. Tahrir Al-Wasilah(Vols 1, 2, and/or 3) - Guide to Islamic Law by Khomeini(the recently dead guy)

Richman2023:
DID JUDAH REALLY BETRAY JESUS OR WAS HE JUST PLAYING HIS PART?
So tell me, are we judging a traitor… or blaming a man who did what the script required?

According to the prophecy it's someone among his closest confidants that will play the traitor:

Even the man at peace with me, one whom I trusted, Who was eating my bread, has lifted his heel against me. Psalms 41:9 compare to Matthew 26:23

So it could be anyone but then each of his friends will have to choose which part he will play {Galatians 6:5} God doesn't force that on Judas Iscariot.

How did we know this?

Out of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus Judas Iscariot is the one Jesus told to keep the money bag from which all the twelve with Jesus use to take money to buy whatever they needed.
Can you imagine that Judas Iscariot use to steal money from that bag? John 12:6

So when Jesus was teaching them how to survive Satan's world and become citizens of God's heavenly Kingdom Judah was busy thinking about how to accumulate riches! Matthew 6:19-21

That is how Jesus got to know that this guy must be the one who will be bought by money to do the unthinkable. Matthew 26:14-16

Of course Judas has conscience but it was too late for him because he thought Jesus will just escape as he had done several times before then unknowingly to him that he was fulfilling the prophecy about the traitor.

When he finally came back to his senses he couldn't bear it anymore. Matthew 27:4

Lesson learned:
God's word will not go unfulfilled but its within each individual to choose what part you will play whether those that will remain steadfast or those that will give up on their way to salvation!🙂

Richman2023:
I came across a content online: https://youtube.com/shorts/Cb_VWQno6i4?si=J7zHWr1l4LGBWL-t
and something came to my mind

DID JUDAH REALLY BETRAY JESUS OR WAS HE JUST PLAYING HIS PART?

Alright, let’s think this through calmly, abeg no insults o, just honest reasoning and small humor, Could Judah really had betrayed Jesus if Jesu and God already planned everything?......Jesus didn’t “guess” the betrayal, He clearly foretold it in the Gospel of Matthew. That already raises a question: if something is predicted as certain, was it avoidable?

Let’s be real, without Judas, no arrest.
Without arrest, no crucifixion.
Without crucifixion… no salvation story.
So Judas didn’t just “mess up”, his action is literally a key part of the entire plan.

Then in the Gospel of John, Jesus tells Judas, “What you’re about to do, do quickly.” I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like someone trying to stop Judah from betraying him, infact there is even a reason to argue that it was the holy spirit that put it in his heart to do so

If Judas had full free will, then God’s plan depended on him making the “wrong” choice.
But if it was all part of a divine plan, then Judas wasn’t exactly improvising, he was playing his role.

Now I’m not saying Judas deserves a “hero of the year” award ooo
But let’s be honest for a second…

If the story needed him, why is he the only one we drag?

So tell me, are we judging a traitor… or blaming a man who did what the script required?

Because you do not play chess is why you cannot understand. For though God prophecied that He must be betrayed, it is not necessary that it will be judas. It could have been any person, exactly how any piece can be the winning checkmate. But there is no chess game in which a piece would not be sacrificed/murdered which means that there is always a piece that must do the k3lin.

We are all chess pieces in this board called earth and we choose which master is to use us to play.

Kobojunkie:
If your mama don figure out say na you dey steal meat from her pot, and the used that in setting a trap for others, that go mean say you wey steal.meat were nuts playing your part? 🥱🥱🥱

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Anyways, here are 4 books that every Nigerian should read this year

1. Sirah Rasullulah by Ibn IShaq
2. The Quran
3. Reliance of the Traveler
4. The Hadiths(Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al-Bukhari)

You don turn Muslim? Interesting

Judas was among the 12 Jesus promised thrones of rulership in heaven! Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30.

AntiChristian:
Judas was among the 12 Jesus promised thrones of rulership in heaven! Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30.

Not automatic but anyone who endure to the end! Matthew 24:13

MaxInDHouse:
Not automatic but anyone who endure to the end! Matthew 24:13

The context of Matthew 24:13 is not the same as that of what i quoted. You can compare the context and show it.

AntiChristian:
The context of Matthew 24:13 is not the same as that of what i quoted. You can compare the context and show it.

Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28

“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Luke 22:28-30

Both are promises made not to all but those who passed the test of time that is why the clause in red was added.

Judas Iscariot fell in the race so he can't win the crown! Revelation 12:11

AntiChristian:
Judas was among the 12 Jesus promised thrones of rulership in heaven! Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30.

Wrong! the thrones were instead promised to those who met the criteria specified in the Gospels. If you would read the content beyond your particular delusion --- or at least the entire passage Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30 , Luke 22 vs 24 - 30 --, you would see this clear condition that was placed on even the disciples who witnessed Jesus Christ of Israel clearly expressed in the passages and books. 🥱🥱

Judas was a man who followed money( abandoning Jesus Christ of Israel as it is impossible to follow God and money). 🥱🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! the thrones were instead promised to those who met the criteria specified in the Gospels. If you would read the content beyond your particular delusion --- or at least the entire passage Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30 , Luke 22 vs 24 - 30 --, you would see this clear condition that was placed on even the disciples who witnessed Jesus Christ of Israel clearly expressed in the passages and books. 🥱🥱

Judas was a man who followed money( abandoning Jesus Christ of Israel as it is impossible to follow God and money). 🥱🥱🥱

Judas did satisfy the conditions in those verses in Matthew 19:30. He followed Jesus and left everything!

And Jesus made the mistake of choosing him. A sensible man never gives his house keys to a thief!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28

“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Luke 22:28-30

Both are promises made not to all but those who passed the test of time that is why the clause in red was added.

Judas Iscariot fell in the race so he can't win the crown! Revelation 12:11

You are still wrong! Jesus was addressing the 12 saying they are the one who had stuck with him! And he made a covenant with them!

AntiChristian:
You are still wrong! Jesus was addressing the 12 saying they are the one who had stuck with him! And he made a covenant with them!

Did Judas Iscariot really stuck with Jesus?
Though you don't know what it means to stuck with Jesus so i will tell you it means faithfully sticking to what Jesus taught them not just following him on foot just as a politician following Tinubu publicly but secretly planning to overturn his government can't be said to have stuck with Tinubu!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Did Judas Iscariot really stuck with Jesus?
Though you don't know what it means to stuck with Jesus so i will tell you it means faithfully sticking to what Jesus taught them not just following him on foot just as a politician following Tinubu publicly but secretly planning to overturn his government can't be said to have stuck with Tinubu!🙂

Are you saying those who wanted to take Jesus don't recognise him while he has been preaching around them for three years?

Abeg forget am! Judas sinned just once! Peter denied Jesus three times!

Peter is still a bigger sinner! So why isn't Peter removed too?

I don't know how you view matters but try to present this before anyone as in ANYONE and ask for who they could pardon between the two.

Your best friend denied you publicly due to fear of being counted as an accomplice in crime as everyone there have judge you to be a criminal another put on his clothes and shoes only to go demanding money from those seeking to kill you. 🙂

AntiChristian:
Are you saying those who wanted to take Jesus don't recognise him while he has been preaching around them for three years?
Abeg forget am! Judas sinned just once! Peter denied Jesus three times!
Peter is still a bigger sinner! So why isn't Peter removed too?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know how you view matters but try to present this before anyone as in ANYONE and ask for who they could pardon between the two.

Your best friend denied you publicly due to fear of being counted as an accomplice in crime as everyone there have judge you to be a criminal another put on his clothes and shoes only to go demanding money from those seeking to kill you. 🙂

Are sins equal under Jehovah witnesses(JW) law?

If yes, how many sins will JW attribute to each of the individuals?

If No then show us evidence that some sins are greater than others!

AntiChristian:
Are sins equal under Jehovah's law?

NO!

AntiChristian:
If No then show us evidence that some sins are greater than others!

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:31-32

AntiChristian:
✓ Judas did satisfy the conditions in those verses in Matthew 19:30. He followed Jesus and left everything!
✓ And Jesus made the mistake of choosing him. A sensible man never gives his house keys to a thief!

The passage does not provide support for your claim neither does the entirety of the Gospels. ,🥱🥱

2. Your inability to contextually analyse the statements made in the passages and the in the Gospels have nothing to do with Jesus Christ of Israel. All Jesus Christ of Israel did there was state that all of those who met the conditions set by him --- His followers -- would be rewarded. And the Gospels are clear that Judas was, from the beginning, not a follower. 🥱🥱

You know that a sensible man does not give the keys to his house to a thief, but where does it state in the passage that Jesus Christ of Israel was an insensible man who gave the key to his house to Judas, though? 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
The passage does not provide support for your claim neither does the entirety of the Gospels. ,🥱🥱

2. Your inability to contextually analyse the statements made in the passages and the in the Gospels have nothing to do with Jesus Christ of Israel. All Jesus Christ of Israel did there was state that all of those who met the conditions set by him --- His followers -- would be rewarded. And the Gospels are clear that Judas was, from the beginning, not a follower. 🥱🥱

You know that a sensible man does not give the keys to his house to a thief, but where does it state in the passage that Jesus Christ of Israel was an insensible man who gave the key to his house to Judas, though? 🥱🥱

I never said Jesus was insensible. But a sensible man wouldn't select a betrayer as a friend knowingly.

The passage does. Intact there's no reason to crucify Judas for just one sin when Peter denied Jesus three times late.

If he was not a follower then what was he? Why select a bandit to watch your house?

Are you saying the Quran makes no practical sense?
Because your Quran says Allah has known those he will burn in fire and those he will bless in heaven even before creating them.

However that's not the same case with Jesus because Judas happened to be one of those following Jesus willingly and since that is the criteria to choose his confidants Judas got an invitation into the twelve. Each of the twelve had their sinful traits they were gradually using Jesus' teachings to blot out their bad habits {Revelation 7:14} sadly Judas didn't do that conscientiously. Matthew 7:24-27

AntiChristian:
I never said Jesus was insensible. But a sensible man wouldn't select a betrayer as a friend knowingly. The passage does. Intact there's no reason to crucify Judas for just one sin when Peter denied Jesus three times late. If he was not a follower then what was he? Why select a bandit to watch your house?

AntiChristian:
✓ I never said Jesus was insensible. But a sensible man wouldn't select a betrayer as a friend knowingly.
The passage does. Intact there's no reason to crucify Judas for just one sin when Peter denied Jesus three times late.
2. If he was not a follower then what was he? Why select a bandit to watch your house?

1. Crucify Judas? Where in the Gospels is it written that Judas was crucified? Where do you get his ideas that he committed one sin? And how did you come about judging him as having less sins than Peter? By what standard do you make this comparison? 🥱🥱

2. According to the Gospels, Jesus Christ of Israel is reported to have stated that Judas was instead a follower of the devil--- his father is the devil. Are you insinuating that Jesus Christ of Israel had it wrong about who it was that Judas belonged to from the beginning? 🥱🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
1. Crucify Judas? Where in the Gospels is it written that Judas was crucified? Where do you get his ideas that he committed one sin? And how did you come about judging him as having less sins than Peter? By what standard do you make this comparison? 🥱🥱

2. According to the Gospels, Jesus Christ of Israel is reported to have stated that Judas was instead a follower of the devil--- his father is the devil. Are you insinuating that Jesus Christ of Israel had it wrong about who it was that Judas belonged to from the beginning? 🥱🥱🥱

Not literal crucifixion but idiomatic! Like why not blame Peter like you do Judas?

Judas had one sin which is betrayal
Peter had three sins of denial!

And on rock the Peter stands the church!

Why would a sensible man hand over his house to a thief?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying the Quran makes no practical sense?
Because your Quran says Allah has known those he will burn in fire and those he will bless in heaven even before creating them.

However that's not the same case with Jesus because Judas happened to be one of those following Jesus willingly and since that is the criteria to choose his confidants Judas got an invitation into the twelve. Each of the twelve had their sinful traits they were gradually using Jesus' teachings to blot out their bad habits {Revelation 7:14} sadly Judas didn't do that conscientiously. Matthew 7:24-27

Judas only betrayed once!

Peter denied three times!

Who had the biggest sin?

Just a simple question?

Let me throw it open!

AntiChristian:
Judas only betrayed once!
Peter denied three times!
Who had the biggest sin?
Just a simple question?
Let me throw it open!

Judas!
Evidence: he deliberately put on his own clothes and shoes then he walked up to the Pharisees knowing fully well that they wanted to kill Jesus.

Peter denied Jesus out of fear!

You yourself judge between the two if it's you who will you despise between the two?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Judas!
Evidence: he deliberately put on his own clothes and shoes then he walked up to the Pharisees knowing fully well that they wanted to kill Jesus.

Peter denied Jesus out of fear!

You yourself judge between the two if it's you who will you despise between the two?🙂

I know you won't be able to truthfully answer!

AntiChristian:
I know you won't be able to truthfully answer!

Ask anyone around you don't even worry whether they believe or honest just present the two:

Peter denied his friend out of fear.


Judas took money and sold his friend.🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Ask anyone around you don't even worry whether they believe or honest just present the two:

Peter denied his friend out of fear.


Judas took money and sold his friend.🙂

It's still under the one betrayal. He sold Jesus for money! Paul denied three separate times!

I have put up a thread on it.

AntiChristian:
It's still under the one betrayal. He sold Jesus for money! Paul denied three separate times!
I have put up a thread on it.

You may choose to deceive yourself but i will throw more light for the benefit of interested other followers.

Between this two choose one.

A friend of yours found you been accused of paedophilia he knew you are innocent if he openly confess he's your friend the angry mob may take him for a paedophile and attack him so he publicly denied knowing you out of fear.

A friend of yours wanted to become rich at all cost that's why he took you to some ritualists so they can turn you to money for him to become a rich man.

Now choose one!🙂

AntiChristian:
✓ Not literal crucifixion but idiomatic! Like why not blame Peter like you do Judas? Judas had one sin which is betrayal Peter had three sins of denial!
2. And on rock the Peter stands the church! Why would a sensible man hand over his house to a thief?

1. I only blame Judas for the sins(commandments of the law) which he is guilty of breaking and not for anything else. The same goes for Peter. Judas was originally one who did not follow God meaning he was not already on the path of the condemned as far as the old law is concerned -- he was described by Jesus Christ of Israel as one who belonged to the devil when he was chosen. Also, you have Judas continuing to pinch the purses, and eventually selling his fellow man as a slave to enemies and eventually has to live with the blood of Christ on his hands (murder). All of these are sins recorded in the Old Law. And what eventually got him? He killed himself...the guilt of what he had done drove him to doing that to himself. Judas robbed himself of the chance at atonement.

Yes, it is recorded that Peter denied Jesus Christ of Israel three times. But by the Old Law(since the Gospels claim the Kingdom of God was still to come at that time), Peter broke the 9th commandment 3 times. Jesus Christ of Israel chose to forgive him and that is all.

2. You are mistaken in your assumption. Please read at least Psalm 32. According to Scripture, the rock of Israel has always been YHWH of Israel. Even the Messiah is described as a rock come from outside of our human dimension to establish a kingdom that would rule eternally on earth. (This is taken from the book of Daniel.) 🥱🥱

No man, not even Peter who is reported to have died in the first century, can take the place of YHWH over His own people... that much is clear from what is written. 🥱

Maybe we should ask you, antichristian, Where you got this ideology from? I suppose it's from an apocryphal book👀—not surprised! As your entire theology was from apocryphal books🥱.


Mind you, Judas was a Muslim👀. I guess you will gladly throw anyone "under the bus" to further your "goals".

Gabrielshow26:
Maybe we should ask you, antichristian, Where you got this ideology from? I suppose it's from an apocryphal book👀—not surprised! As your entire theology was from apocryphal books🥱.


Mind you, Judas was a Muslim👀. I guess you will gladly throw anyone "under the bus" to further your "goals".

So Jesus selected a Muslim among his disciples? No wonder Jesus is coming back to fight Jeehard.

AntiChristian:
So Jesus selected a Muslim among his disciples? No wonder Jesus is coming back to fight Jeehard.

😂Is that not what your Quran wants us to believe 👀?

The Quran even claimed all of Jesus' apostles/disciples as Muslims😂. So when you attack Paul, you are attacking your fellow Muslim. The disciples and apostles of Jesus were even mentioned as faithful in the Quran🤨. So even by your own book, your criticism of Paul fails! He is more faithful than you🥱 with his faithfulness, primordially recognized👀. After all, the Quran is Allah's Eternal speech 🥱.