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Kimbeast:
Is it really about the quality of defenders or more about the system they are in? Even at Bayern with top defenders and Neuer they conceded a lot of goals under Flick and the same happened with Germany. Clearly, it's the system not individual players.

Exactly. The system is atrack focused leaving the defense so porous but Curbasi and especially Inigo Martinez mastered that high-line/off side trap system last season...

Eric and Martin nope. Curbasi is trying though.

raumdeuter:
Make Bastoni put body for high line and see if his cardio wont fail him

The low block that is making Darmian and Akanji look like maestros in defence, Even Ashley Young looked decent. When you have multiple players to cover you in low blocks your mistakes are not easily seen, Players like Savic wil fail out of City and Fiorentina then go have a great career at Atletico community defence school

You have no point here. Teams literally play a high line in order to avoid getting their defence under pressure.

That’s the system that made defenders like Otamendi and Pique decorated. What Flick is currently doing should tell you all you need to know.

Kimbeast:
Nesta, Cannavaro, Vidic etc only excelled in the type of football that Akanji Darmian and Dimarco do. Players who are average too. That doesn't stop them from being regarded as great.

They have only conceded 3 more league goals than Bayern Munich in 2 less games.

Man Utd was not parking the bus when Vidic was running things there, Man Utd wont park the bus. Nesta who played under Sven Goran Erikson at Lazio was one of the more attacking teams and in Milan under Ancelotti was not playing in a park the bus tactic nor Canavaro when he as playing at Juventus

In the CL group stage, Bayern conceded 8 goals in 8 games, Barcelona conceded 14 goals in 8 games.

swiz123:
You have no point here. Teams literally play a high line in order to avoid getting their defence under pressure.

That’s the system that made defenders like Otamendi and Pique decorated.

By playing a high line, their margin for error reduces, they cover a lot of ground. In community defending, you can make a mistake and the next defender bails you out, you can be blocking shots with bodies

AirBere:
Exactly. The system is atrack focused leaving the defense so porous but Curbasi and especially Inigo Martinez mastered that high-line/off side trap system last season...

Eric and Martin nope. Curbasi is trying though.

The point is no matter who you partner under a Flick system they will always concede goals and give chances to the opponents right from his Bayern days. Last season with Martinez they also conceded 39 league goals. If Flick can get players like Martin and Eric García to succeed in a highline and still compete for trophies then playing in a highline clearly isn’t that difficult like dayo is making it out to be.

raumdeuter:
Man Utd was not parking the bus when Vidic was running things there, Man Utd wont park the bus. Nesta who played under Sven Goran Erikson at Lazio was one of the more attacking teams and in Milan under Ancelotti was not playing in a park the bus tactic nor Canavaro when he as playing at Juventus

In the CL group stage, Bayern conceded 8 goals in 8 games, Barcelona conceded 14 goals in 8 games.

Nobody said anything about parking the bus. All those teams were using low to mid blocks. Nesta, Vidic, Cannavaro etc all made their name playing in a low to mid block and they were considered great defenders.

Did you meet the same opponents in the group stage?

BlueRayDick:
Do you know the use of the symbol "/" in between two words ?

I'm literally saying Hensben and blue angel dey hype players early, later to change mouth while you do your own hype and change of mouth for managers.

Evrything I said here have come to pass. I said Enzo will end up in Real Madrid it doesn’t mean he is not a quality player his game will suit la liga better. Valentin Barco will be his replacement which is a good one.

BlueRayDick:
3 people wey dey hype player/manager and quickly to change mouth on this thread are :

1. Hensben
2. Blue angel
3. Popi

I don’t hype players I analyze them according to what they will bring to the team and how it will make the team good. A three man midfield of Enzo caceido and James won us a CWC, same trophy is the headline of this great thread.

Kimbeast:
The point is no matter who you partner under a Flick system they will always concede goals and give chances to the opponents right from his Bayern days. Last season with Martinez they also conceded 39 league goals. If Flick can get players like Martin and Eric García to succeed in a highline and still compete for trophies then playing in a highline clearly isn’t that difficult like dayo is making it out to be.

I get ur point though but I still dont think they(Eric and Martin) are excelling. I think Batsoni can do well in a highline. But even Pique and Puyol will struggle in this kind of ridiculous highline.

kushercain:
You dey call Ororo overrated. You need cane walai

He is overrated, I mean a player mentioned by his fan who don’t have football knowledge (but glaze his aesthetic antics) when talking about Messi is overrated and make Messi underrated.

raumdeuter:
By playing a high line, their margin for error reduces, they cover a lot of ground. In community defending, you can make a mistake and the next defender bails you out, you can be blocking shots with bodies

You don’t know what you are saying. No be una talk say pressure Dey burst pipe here? No be community defending Dey face waves after waves of attack.

I was the one that said Klopp’s system protects VVD because attackers are pressing aggressively from the front. What has happened since Klopp. VVD and even Konate have been found out.

Look at Gerard Martin playing like prime Nesta because of a high line.

Sportsweb:
Rosenior says he wants to sign players with emotional stability in the summer.

What does that even means

Una see person wey dey struggle with A.I una carry manager give am.

Dem go soon hang these boys legs for training.

Kimbeast:
The point is no matter who you partner under a Flick system they will always concede goals and give chances to the opponents right from his Bayern days. Last season with Martinez they also conceded 39 league goals. If Flick can get players like Martin and Eric García to succeed in a highline and still compete for trophies then playing in a highline clearly isn’t that difficult like dayo is making it out to be.

Highline is difficult if you don’t have iq ,you can see araujo was once our best defender ,but since he highline he has been a shadow of himself

I hate it when these players start talking about Madrid or barca as their dream club bla bla. We sef no small now. Make a whole vice captain dey disrespect us like this. No be say he don do anything spectacular like that. £105m. Even Madrid no fit pay that amount for am.

Kimbeast:
Nobody said anything about parking the bus. All those teams were using low to mid blocks. Nesta, Vidic, Cannavaro etc all made their name playing in a low to mid block and they were considered great defenders.

Did you meet the same opponents in the group stage?

They played high defence and low blocks and excelled in both just like Maldini

Bayern played Chelsea PSG we condeded 2, the strongest team Barcelona faced in the groups was PSG Chelsea they conceded 5

swiz123:
You don’t know what you are saying. No be una talk say pressure Dey burst pipe here? No be community defending Dey face waves after waves of attack.

I was the one that said Klopp’s system protects VVD because attackers are pressing aggressively from the front. What has happened since Klopp. VVD and even Konate have been found out.

Look at Gerard Martin playing like prime Nesta because of a high line.

Which Gerard Martin una dey talk sef? How is he excelling when Barcelona defence is the worst defence of all top clubs

Of the teams that made top 10 in the CL group stages, Barcelona conceded the most

raumdeuter:
Which Gerard Martin una dey talk sef? How is he excelling when Barcelona defence is the worst defence of all top clubs

Of the teams that made top 10 in the CL group stages, Barcelona conceded the most

Is the guy not a DM?


Andrewbaba44

iamoyindamola:
Is the guy not a DM?


Andrewbaba44

He is a LB who was converted to a CB by flick ,the guy ball playing too smooth

raumdeuter:
Which Gerard Martin una dey talk sef? How is he excelling when Barcelona defence is the worst defence of all top clubs

Of the teams that made top 10 in the CL group stages, Barcelona conceded the most

Egbon he is excelling o ,watch Barca and see

He isn’t even a CB ,he was converted by flick

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raumdeuter:
The center backs are great in their time but in this days most of them will not survive this era unless they adjust to modern era

I disagree with this but it is discussion for another day.

I bet he will ignore the maldini question and focus on Terry part..

Kimbeast:
John Terry is one of the greatest center backs of all time. That’s an objective fact regardless of your feelings. Now will Maldini stand for Boateng when great center backs are being discussed?

Rosenoir just needs to shut up, talmbout Cucurella should have come and spoken to him first and Reece James believes in him and the Sporting Directors that's why he signed new contract

Nobody believes in those clowns bro, and since you decided to wear same trousers with them as company man, nobody will believe in you

Leave the Sporting Directors to carry their cross and just say you are focussed on the coaching side.

raumdeuter:
The center backs are great in their time but in this days most of them will not survive this era unless they adjust to modern era

Come to think of it,i agree with you. Ronaldo delima will struggle against this present defenders because the previous defenders were otu and that's why he had it easy against them.

I can imagine fofana,Baldashile,konate,VVD,ruiz Diaz,Guehi,Kim min,Upamecano,Rudiger,bastoni bulling Ronaldo off the ball. Taking ball off him easily.

Walahi the present footballers are the best ever seen.

Ashley Cole cannot lace any present left back shoes

If Madueke or saka played in the time of Giggs they would have won balon d'or.

Nobody would recognized ballack if vitinha had played in his era.

Those defenders of those years won't be able to mark Kai Havertz if he played in their era.

Adjust ko address ni

Kimbeast:
John Terry is one of the greatest center backs of all time. That’s an objective fact regardless of your feelings. Now will Maldini stand for Boateng when great center backs are being discussed?

This is why I always say we should be comparing like for like..

Imagine putting Alain BUMsong in the same sentence with Cesare "Don Paulo" Maldini - a respected and revered soldato of the Genovese Family.

It is a crime as profound as "whacking" a boss!!

BoatHAND is easily one of the worst defenders of his generation
___________________________________________________

•Pascal Cygan
•George Elokobi
•Christopher Samba
•Ibrahima Sonko
•Jerome "BoatHAND" Boateng
•Gael Givet
___________________________________________________

Above list is what should be coming up for discussion

Don't you think keh lol.

This is why i don't recommend someone like van gaal for us. He might be interested in a new starting xi eleven that is completely different from our current players. On the good side,he always promote young talents but stiffen attacking players.

popizaino:
This is why i don't recommend someone like van gaal for us. He might be interested in a new starting xi eleven that is completely different from our current players. On the good side,he always promote young talents but stiffen attacking players.

Van Gaal hated Cruyff more than the devil. The fought over the souls of Barca, Ajax, the Dutch team. He was a great coach whose ego was even greater than his ability.

You would actually flow well with him. He is from your citadel of stubbornness.

How did Salah miss that?! Kudos to Khusanov tho.

VVD ma pami na
Mumu CB

Leyqute:
How did Salah miss that?! Kudos to Khusanov tho.

He's done jare, he should move to Saudi

iamoyindamola:
VVD ma pami na
Mumu CB

Aura defending must aura