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| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 11:26am On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:Did Paul teach that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead? Who do you think authored the Qur'an Educate us. It definitely wasn't Mohammed because you Muslims say that he was illiterate! Was it Jibril?: as no one other than Mohammed know of his existence. Was it Allah?: Even Mohammed never once heard directly from Allah! So, back to you: who wrote or authored the Qur'an? 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 12:09pm On Apr 05*. Modified: 12:46pm On Apr 05 |
BlackfireX:I'm good bro I thought your God died on Friday? Is it 3 days and 3 night already? Well, you can believe whatever lies you want to believe, that's non of my problem any way. You claimed prophet Muhammad was only making up the text of Qur'an as he go Let me share with you a feature of the Qur'an, maybe, just maybe it will make you think deeply and free yourself from lies. The Qur'an was revealed over 23 yrs, there are verses that are answers to questions asked in real time, there are verses that are prophecies, all kind of verses... Now in modern time, we discover opposite words tend to have same count, it's something you can easily verify, so don't come back here with your foolishness. Al-dunya - Al akhira–115 times Al-Hayat - Al Mawt – 145 times Al-salihat - Al-sayyiat – 167 times Al bard - Al Harr – 4 times And so much more.... The occurrences are so profound that you can't call it coincidence but the author intended it even before the first word of the Qur'an 'Read' was revealed. Is this what a book where the author is only just making it up as he go supposed to look like? You think the Qur'an is a copy and paste job like your synoptics? You must be a joke. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 12:47pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:You said: There are mutawatir hadith where the companions see Jibril : can you quote such hadiths and their chain of reference? How can you prove these You said: And the prophet indeed spoke with Allah on the night of Isra wal-miraj. Unfortunately, if this is true, it brings up several problems within Islam. Did Mohammed literally go to paradise cause you must answer my questions if indeed he went to paradise. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 3:17pm On Apr 05 |
TenQ:The hadith is a common Hadith, it's known as 'hadith Jibril'. I don't have time to be quoting hadith for you. Na u know whatever problem of Christianity you are trying to project on Islam. He was shown Paradise. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 5:15pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:I can see uou are still sleeping or maybe drinking camel urine. Ok wake up don't sleep Everyone did you hear when he said he will bring proof that the Quran is the word of Allah? Did you hear him say this? And I ask for just 2 short evidences... What did he do? He wrote some Arabic words with some fantasy numbers... abdul no one understood what you wrote... can you simplify it in English language for everyone to understand in English? Now this time calm down don't panic Give me ( us ) one or two proofs that Quran is the word of the Almighty, that it is true and credible? And if I find 3 or 4 evidences to counter it from the original Quran and sahih hadiths will you stop following Qutham? So let's go ... 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 5:20pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:  Na question dem ask you ... you they insult which kaind Alfa onigbo be this? You forgot to worship Muhammad today in your Tashahhud... eyonbo anobi 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 5:24pm On Apr 05 |
TenQ:i can bet my 2 plots of land in ijebu ode that he will never answer you ... rather insult... just watch and see. always making claims no evidence all what you know about islam is lies ... just ask qquestion the nexr thing ...everything fall yakata is only nominal christains they can hoodwink( i say this in humility to my Saviour) |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 5:45pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:Dont worry, I will quote the source of Hadith Jibril for you. LOL Whatever narrations Muslims love must be Sahih and the embarrassing ones will develop ISNAD problems A strange man came to learn Islam from Mohammad and this man happened to be Jibril!? Riyad as-Salihin 60. Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, Beliefs (Book 2), Ḥadīth 43 It is easy exposing fraudulent narratives even when the liar have a consensus agreement to adopt it 1. Tell me is Mohammed the the teacher of Jibril? 2. Did Jibril teach ANYONE anything in this encounter or was it Mohammed? 3. Is this man the same as Mohammed's man-friend Dihyah al-Kalbi 4. Did this man introduce himself to Mohammed or his companions. 5. Was this appearance of this man from Allah and what was its purpose as Mohammed already knew the answers to the questions he asked. 6. Did Mohammed offer any special greetings to this man as Jibril in the presence of his companions? 7. Were the companions afraid when they saw this strange man or not? Only Mohammad met or saw Jibril and only Mohammad can introduce any stranger as Jibril. Unfortunately, this cock and bull story only succeeded in reinforcing the notion that Jibril doesn't exist at all. Otherwise, 8. When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as Dihyah al-Kalbi a man or as an Angel called Jibril? There was an argument between a Muslim and a skeptic and the debate was : Is it untrue that without Lies and further lies the religion of Muslims cannot exist? 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 5:46pm On Apr 05*. Modified: 6:43pm On Apr 05 |
BlackfireX:I will slap you around with evidence so bad holy communion will start tasting sour in your mouth. You think our religion is like yours with nothing as proof, no evidence, no reliable scripture, only I saw Jesus in my dream and in sha Allah. You must be kidding! You suddenly don't understand Arabic? When you have been jumping from thread to thread shouting Al-zutt and analysing Qur'anic arabic. When you provide response to the one gave you, I'll give you another. And I'll also want you to respond to my refutation of your Qur'an contain apocryphal stories hence it is false. Why do you think the canonised books contain absolute truth and the non canonised books contain absolute falsehood, such that if the Qur'an contains anything from apocryphal then it automatically make it false. For now, I'm outta here |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 6:27pm On Apr 05*. Modified: 1:57am On Apr 06 |
TenQ:You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any source that said Jibril took the semblance of Dihya Al kalbi during the event of hadith Jibril? Non of the companions knew the man, his cloth was extremely white, and his hair extremely dark with NO SIGN OF TRAVEL in the hot desert of Arabia. emphasis on no sign of travel. If you read the hadith well, u will know the purpose of the visitation is for the companions to learn and not for Jibril to learn. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 6:53pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:One will expect them to be AFRAID of seeing such a sight unfortunately, the storyteller forgot to account for their emotions. Is this a NORMAL occurrence? My evidence: You forgot that your scholars tell so many lies and evidences abound for them al-Bukhari 4980 Narrated Abu `Uthman: I was informed that Gabriel came to the Prophet (ﷺ) while Um Salama was with him. Gabriel started talking (to the Prophet). Then the Prophet (ﷺ) asked Um Salama, "Who is this?" She replied, "He is Dihya (al-Kalbi)." When Gabriel had left, Um Salama said, "By Allah, I did not take him for anybody other than him (i.e. Dihya) till I heard the sermon of the Prophet (ﷺ) wherein he informed about the news of Gabriel." The subnarrator asked Abu `Uthman: From whom have you heard that? Abu `Uthman said: From Usama bin Zaid. Is Jibril a shape-shifter? You said that it was for the companions to learn!? Are you saying that Jibril came to the companions and didn't introduce himself and you are now manufacturing excuses for why he came!? Again: 8. When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as Dihyah al-Kalbi a man or as an Angel called Jibril? See how you avoid answering direct questions! 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 7:40pm On Apr 05 |
TenQ:They were looking at a man, they only just found it strange that someone unknown will appear from no where with no sign of travel. were they supposed to run away? If you want to know what their emotion was so bad you can travel back to 7th century Arabia to find out. A Christian talking about Islamic scholars telling so many lies, lack of self awareness ni abi wetin? What does the hadith you quoted have to do with the event of hadith Jibril. You think the companions suddenly didnt recognise Dihya Al kalbi to have described the visitor as unknown? |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 7:55pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:So, the unknown man just happened to be Jibril and he never introduced himself!? Unfortunately, this cock and bull story only succeeded in reinforcing the notion that Jibril doesn't exist at all. Otherwise, When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as Dihyah al-Kalbi a man or as an Angel called Jibril? |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 8:22pm On Apr 05 |
TenQ:If he had introduced himself by himself like that would suddenly make the hadith believable for you He said cuck and bull, calling a mutawatir hadith cuck and bull. But believe the canonical gospels when we don't even know the authors and they don't even tell us their sources. Keep fooling. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 8:25pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:But you trust Mohammed, dont you? Whatever he tells you is TRUE! Is it UNTRUE that Allah and Mohammed seems to believe in. my scripture: you are alone in your disbelief bro This is the beginning of your errors! Did Jibril ever introduce himself to Mohammed? Again: When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as Dihyah al-Kalbi a man or as an Angel called Jibril? 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 8:34pm On Apr 05 |
TenQ:Guy, you need to stop asking all these nonsense redundant questions. Did Jibril ever introduce himself? Really?? How did he get to know the being was Jibril if he never introduce himself as Jibril to the prophet? Do you just ask questions for the sake of asking question? |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 9:24pm On Apr 05 |
Qasim6:So, you tell me. When and how did Jibril introduce himself to Mohammed? I ask questions to force you admitting the truths you avoid. hat Allah and Mohammed seems to believe in. my scripture: you are alone in your disbelief bro This is the beginning of your errors! Did Jibril ever introduce himself to Mohammed? Again, why avoid my questions: When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as looking like (Dihyah al-Kalbi) a man or as an Angel called Jibril? |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 4:05am On Apr 06 |
Qasim6:Alfa onigbo are you sure you are alright? Why jumping from one topic to the other, can you stay in one place. Let's settle one before another So if camel 🐫 urine isn't too much for you You said you will prove the Quran is the word of Allah and it is true I said please give me (us) one or two You brought some arabic numerical miracles, but because others are also reading it I said make it simple for us in English But really of all the Quranic blunders you picked Islamic numeric miracle ... are you sure ? A 1970 wish wash ? With me? Haaaaa A conjectures that even Muslims rejected Please write the arabic words in English and see me destroy it with 2 replies Don't panic Let's go |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 11:12am On Apr 06 |
[quote author=Qasim6 post=139003240]QASIM omo iya eleko I am still waiting for your reply? Try chatgpt or a bigger Islamic schoolar they might help? Don't keep us waiting Please don't Run 🏃 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Qasim6(m): 12:09pm On Apr 06*. Modified: 12:26pm On Apr 06 |
[quote author=BlackfireX post=139009438][/quote]Instead of you to quietly crawl into one hole u still get audacity to dey call me. U sha wan embarrass yourself? I go end that your career of jumping from thread to thread shouting Al zutt. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Gabrielshow26: 2:14pm On Apr 06 |
Qasim6:As usual, you are quite misinformed. If there were any falsehood, kindly point it out🤦🏾♂️. My last reply on a Muslim thread with the username, Gabrielshow24, earned me a 10 year ban🤨 unlike kobojunkie's own that was limited solely to the Islamic section mine was total! I have made a post about this (on this new account) and it's not the issue. what's the "issue" are your claims! You quoted the Qooran's challenge, which unbeknownst to you, has been fulfilled within its own traditions😂—talk about self own🥱. Now, you claim without any substantial evidence that I strung up lies😂🤨. Pls, tell me where I lied? [/b]Did I lie about [b]what the Quran and hadiths recorded of Umar's speech? Or did I lie about the "satanic revelation"? 🤨 Pls, elucidate where I lied? It's the usual Islamic gimmick, I don't fall for such🥱. Pls, do better next time😮💨 and to that mod👀 that deemed it fit to give me a 10year ban, well done😁. I know you hate the truth and you have just motivated me to continue my Islamic critique. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 2:20pm On Apr 06 |
Qasim6: Bismil-Aabi wal-Ibni war-Ruuhil-Qudus بِاسْمِ الآبِ وَالاِبْنِ وَالرُّوحِ الْقُدُسِ Let me ignore the market noise you are making trying to divert attention Don't worry you will be Al zutt-ified after this Please end my career in nairaland Atleast the islamic section will post my disgraced convo with you. The silent readers whom are watching and reading my posts and comments all this time will know I am fake or flash The Muslims can finally shout Allahu akbar Please Qasim end my career by showing us proof just 2 that Quran is divine and true ? Please this time don't panic Concentrate Don't be clueless Please everyone beg Alfa Qasim to end my career in the Islamic section 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by BlackfireX(op): 2:37pm On Apr 06 |
TenQ: They messed with the wrong people I used to fear arabic language based on what I was told but today ...I love that language like kilode... God in heaven made sure he gave loopholes for us to see that this pseudo occultic religion is exposed. Everything they tell you about Islam...just ask a simple follow up question and watch centuries of lies fall yakata Quran is a clear word of God that came to correct Abraham , torah(moses) , zabur ( psalms) injeel ( gospel) but it needs Hadiths and tasfir written by men to correct the Quran to correct the bible? See madness Angel appear to muhamed and his 1st impression is that it was an evil spirit or Devil.. .did the angel introduce himself? No idea Did Muhammed spoke to God directly?... No When the angel ask Qutham to read( ikra) was there a book? No...then what was he reading? No idea. Ok when the unknown entity ask him to read was there a book ? NO ....SO what was he reading? No idea I thought the islamic section is filled with knowledgeable ummah ... Ko Ko Ko Who is there ? Who wrote the Quran? 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by honesttalk21: 3:35pm On Apr 06 |
Jibril (Angel Gabriel) didn’t introduce himself by name in the first moment at the Hira cave. The Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him was overwhelmed and didn’t immediately know who it was. That’s clear in the hadith and seerah. The angel came and said Read (Bukhari 3). No identity was stated there. The prophet pbuh came to know shortly after through Waraqah’s confirmation and continued revelation. Waraqah said this is the same one sent to Moses (Bukhari 3392). The Qur’an then confirms it was Jibril in (Q81:23 & 53:5). The angel's appearance in Hira was in his true angelic form that’s why it was intense. At other times, he appeared in human form. There's no contradiction. The sequence is simple,no immediate identification then confirmation followed by clear recognition. That’s not confusion but clarity built step by step. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 4:29pm On Apr 06 |
BlackfireX:That is why with simple questions the religion based on falsehood scatter like a disaster falling on packs of cards. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 5:01pm On Apr 06 |
honesttalk21:You will notice three striking things 1. The Angel never said "Peace be to you"! 2. The Angel never introduced himself 3. Mohammed felt what he saw was a Demon honesttalk21:It took Waraqa a man who NEVER was part of what Mohammed saw to tell him definitely that the apparition was an Angel 1. How did Waraqa know it was Angel Gabriel and not Angel Michael? 2. Since Waraqa himself wasn't a prophet, on what authority did he use to be sure that the apparition was Angel Gabriel (was it from the Bible)? 3. What evidences can we use to verify that it was an Angel sent to Moses that was sent to Mohammed? 4. How can the Quran confirm the Angel sent by Moses? honesttalk21:This is where the Standard Islamic Narrative breaks down again because of falsehood. You know quite well that if Jibril came to Mohammed as a man like Dihyah al-Kalbi, then speculations will arise that what Mohammed saw was a mere man and not an angel as he wouldn't have to be scared of a man. Unfortunately, Mohammed said that Jibril in his true form filled the Horizon creating a serious problem for you. Mohammed in his true form CANNOT fit into the cave of Hira Are you aware that The Cave of Hira can is about 2m high and can contain a maximum of 6 people. So, if Jibril appeared as Dihyah al-Kalbi, all the narration of Mohammed about IQRA are pure fables. If Jibril appeared in his true form, all the narration of Mohammed about IQRA are pure fables Either way, someone is composing FICTION as religion 1 Like |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Gabrielshow26: 6:11pm On Apr 06 |
honesttalk21:What you have said is contrary to your brother-in-zuttland's comment? Qasim6🤨 AT LEAST YOU WERE TRUTHFUL "enough", to admit the first encounter of "Jubril" was "intense" 👀 and he wasn't identified😔. Do you believe in inductive reasoning? 🤨 If you do, could you exemplify why Mohammed's angelic encounter was disparagingly different from other angelic encounters in the bible? 🤨 The angels in the bible, are well known to use this phrase: "fear not"👀 but in Mohammed's instance he was scared to the extent he ran under his wife's skirt🤔. The angel didn't even provide succur but instead grabbed him👀—Divine harassment in my view👀🤔. I wonder what "beings" are known to do that👀 I don't mean to stifle your beliefs but something is definitely wrong, "inductive reasoning" wise🤨. It can't be the same angel, it must have been something else👀. To even buttress my point, your prophet even believed he "was" "possessed" 🤧. It took his inlaw, in the form of Waraqah, to talk him out of it🤨. Waraqah also seems to be misinformed 🤨, as Jibril didn't even appear to Moses🤦🏾♂️. This, I have tackled with Qasim under my previous moniker, which one of your sympathizer 👀, sentenced to a 10 year sabbatical 🥱. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by Gabrielshow26: 6:35pm On Apr 06 |
BlackfireX:This section is not filled with knowledgeable ummahs at all🤦🏾♂️. Most of them can't respond without AI. The rest are plain "airbenders", specialists in evading and avoiding your questions👀. I suspect Qasim6 is a "master" under this class🤨. All in all, one thing they all have in common is that they are oblivious to their own books! Some even contradict the Hadith and when confronted; they throw the Hadith under the bus with excuses such as "It's not Sahih", "there are kinks in its isnad narration" 🥱 and so on and so forth. And concerning the obvious plagiarism of apocryphal books. qasim6 obviously shows his ignorance. He seems unfamiliar with the fact that the Quran also...as Honesttalk used to say... Fixed the targums as well. It's probably from there that they had the description of Allah having two right hands🤨. An incomplete assessment of the rabbis position of Yahweh having two right hands(meaning no left hand: destruction upon the people) when the people serve him. It's also from the targums that the Quran 👀 got the story of Abraham and Nimrod's 🔥fire😂. A different version concerning Adam's height was plagiarized from there as well. A position lukuluku69 argued in error against until confronted by his own Sahih hadiths🥱 that Adam was made in the image of God😂 and was like 60ft tall👀. I can go on and on. All these are open secrets, there are plenty of articles out there. Qasim6 should educate himself🥱. He should provide evidence🥱, no be by cho cho cho😂. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by honesttalk21: 8:55pm On Apr 06 |
TenQ:Alright, let’s put this clearly and calmly without exaggeration, just straight reasoning. The idea that an angel must say peace and introduce himself immediately is your own rule, not something found in any scripture. Check your Bible particularly in Luke 1, Daniel 10, Matthew 28 and you see the same pattern. No formal intro, no salam/peace greeting. Gabriel speaks first, identity comes later or isn’t the focus. So the standard you’re using here isn’t consistent with your own texts. Now about the cave. Jibrīl didn’t introduce himself by name in that first moment. The Prophet pbuh was overwhelmed and that’s exactly what the hadith says. The angel came and said, ‘Read’ (Bukhari 3). No identity mentioned there. Recognition came step by step. Waraqah identified the pattern (Bukhari 3392), and later the Qur’an confirmed it was Jibril (Q81:23 & 53:5). That’s not confusion, that’s gradual clarity. And that same pattern shows up in your own tradition too. The claim that he thought it was a demon is simply not in the authentic sources. What you have is fear. And fear is normal in these encounters. Daniel collapsed. Zechariah was struck silent. Mary was afraid. That reaction is consistent across the board; it points to a real experience, not a made-up one. Waraqah wasn’t guessing either. He was a knowledgeable man who recognised the pattern of revelation. You don’t have to be present to identify what something is. Then the Qur’an itself later confirms it directly. Jibril is named. So it’s recognition followed by confirmation. Now on the angel’s form; this is where the confusion is coming from. You’ve merged two separate events. The intense cave encounter doesn’t mean it was the full angelic form. The Qur’an describes that full form being seen at the horizon (Q81:23 and 53:5) and that’s a different moment entirely. You moved that scene into the cave, then said it doesn’t fit. Of course it won’t you forced it there. So in simple terms: Cave: direct, overwhelming encounter Horizon: full angelic form Two different occasions. No contradiction. At the end of the day, your argument rests on three things. A rule you created, a claim not found in the sources, and a contradiction you built by mixing events. Take those away, and there’s really nothing left to stand on. |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 9:39pm On Apr 06 |
honesttalk21:Unfortunately for you, in every scripture you quoted, the common theme was FEAR NOT "Peace to you" is NOT a greeting sir. It means DO NOT BE AFRAID or I COME IN PEACE. So, check again the scriptures you chose has condemned you (Luke 1, Daniel 10, Matthew 28) So, WHY THE ANGEL NOT COMFORT MOHAMMED honesttalk21:In other words, the personage was given a name by WARAQA and slowly, Mohammed called him bt that name. honesttalk21:So, why all the drama about Khadija doing striptease upon Mohammed to prove that the ghostly personage was an Angel and not a Jinn. Fear is NORMAL when one first encounters an Angel and it is thus NORMAL for the Angel to Proclaim PEACE or FEAR NOT to the person. This never happened to Mohammed, instead he apparition continued to SCARE the life out of Mohammed. Did the apparition proclaim PEACE or FEAR NOT to Mohammed as their normal practice? honesttalk21:So, what pattern did Waraqa see and from where did he learn it? Please answer my direct questions It took Waraqa a man who NEVER was part of what Mohammed saw to tell him definitely that the apparition was an Angel 1. How did Waraqa know it was Angel Gabriel and not Angel Michael? 2. Since Waraqa himself wasn't a prophet, on what authority did he use to be sure that the apparition was Angel Gabriel (was it from the Bible)? 3. What evidences can we use to verify that it was an Angel sent to Moses that was sent to Mohammed? 4. How can the Quran confirm the Angel sent by Moses? honesttalk21:Note my question again: I asked: When Mohammed was in the cave at Hira, Did he see Jibril as Dihyah al-Kalbi a man or as an Angel called Jibril? Your response was: The angel's appearance in Hira was in his true angelic form Except if Jibril a shape-shifter his true form extends over the horizon: meaning that you are wrong! If Jibril is a shape shifter, No wonder Iblis could successfully pass for the apparition called Jibril and dictate a new Qur'an to Mohammed. The disguise was so perfect that Mohammed couldn't detect that Iblis had impersonated the apparition called Jibril The Qur'an was so perfect that Mohammed couldn't distinguish between the Qur'an of Allah and the Quran of Iblis. Did Mohammed recite the satanic verses as Qur'an before Allah removed it? |
| Re: Who Wrote The Quran by honesttalk21: 7:09am On Apr 07*. Modified: 7:34am On Apr 07 |
TenQ:Let’s calmly, point by point address your concerns since some of what you say needs proper grounding, and one part really turns back on your own position. Fear not is a familiar angelic phrase. Fair enough. But making it a rule that comfort must come instantly, from the angel, is something you’ve added. In the Prophet’s case, reassurance came through revelation shortly after. That’s still the same pattern just not on your preferred timing. Even in the Bible, comfort isn’t always immediate. Do you turn blind to where it isn't and why? On the Khadija story, that report isn’t in the strongest hadith collections. It comes through weaker historical sources. You can’t demand strict standards and then build a key point on something that doesn’t meet them. On the cave you’ve merged two separate moments into one. The first encounter was intense and overwhelming. The later sighting described in Surah 53 is different. Two events, not one. The contradiction only appears because you combined them. On the cave the earlier phrasing wasn't particularly clear enough. What happened at Hira was an overwhelming presence that commanded; not a man, not the full horizon-filling form. Intensity doesn’t equal full manifestation. The horizon vision in Surah 53 is a separate event. You merged two moments, then called it a contradiction. On Waraqa his identification wasn’t random. In the Abrahamic tradition, Gabriel is consistently linked to revelation. That’s in your own scripture as well. He recognised a pattern he already knew. On the what if it was Satan argument your own Bible says Satan can appear as an angel of light. If you use that logic, it doesn’t just question Islam it puts every prophetic experience in your tradition under the same doubt. You can’t apply it selectively. On the so-called satanic verses the report doesn’t pass scholarly standards. Even where it’s discussed, it’s framed as something corrected immediately, which the Qur’an itself addresses. Show specifically otherwise. The report doesn't survive scrutiny and the Qur'an itself addressed the underlying concern in 22:52 before you raised it. That's not weakness that's the tradition anticipating the objection. So when you strip it back, your case rests on: a timing condition you introduced, a weak report, a merged narrative, and an argument that ends up undermining your own sources. That’s not a stable critique. |
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