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Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Westman001: 4:14pm On Apr 11
We shall see. Lots of delusional people.

The world has gone mad. A country is holding the world hostage by threatening to bomb ship that use the international water but some stupid people think that a becoming superpower country.

Country with no leader. All their leaders was bombed. Was swayed by fake News and couldn't capture a single soldier in their soil.

Bombing their neighbors because they don't know how to respond.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by CaseSensitive(m):
2RightHands1Coc:
Dreamers FC
Yes... to some dum dums who see geopolitical realities through the lens of FC stanship.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Westman001: 4:21pm On Apr 11
ElSudani:
Why did Bahrain not open the strait? Why did Trump basically surrendered and agreed to 10 points plan they initially rejected. They feel so embarrassed they couldn't openly tell Americans what they agreed to.
Negotiation is going on today. Everyone knows but you mumu man already have an agreement that was signed.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by 2RightHands1Coc(m): 4:23pm On Apr 11
So much talk with no substance,Abeg go Baff
CaseSensitive:
Yes to some dum dums who see geopolitical realities through the lens of FC stanship.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by donleo92(m): 4:27pm On Apr 11
Arrowhead71:
Bros just laugh them...
Because china transferred cluster bombs to Iran regime and they lunch missiles..that make them stupid power ....
But Isreal that know all your movements including when you are top of your wife is underestimated
Even Russia and China knows Israelis are dangerous specie
God bless you my brother grin
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by musicwriter(m): 4:27pm On Apr 11
God1000:
By Robert A. Pape

Dr. Pape is a professor of political science at the University of Chicago who studies military strategy and international security


In recent years, the conventional geopolitical wisdom has been that the world order was moving toward three centers of power: the United States, China and Russia. That view assumed that power derived primarily from economic scale and military capability.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/06/opinion/iran-war-strait-hormuz.html
Iran has always been a world power since ancient time, if conquering other lands is what it means to be one.

In about 500 BC, their King Cyrus of Persia (now called Iran) conquered part of Europe and the whole of the Mediterranean area and so called Middle East down to Egypt. He set the Hebrews free from slavery under the king of Babylon.

This is one of many ways you know that the people calling themselves Jews in Israel today are not the descendants of the Hebrews the Bible or Jewish holy book is talking about because Persia (Iran) was a friendly nation to the Hebrews in the Bible.

What Persia did in about 500 BC, Europeans did it in about 332 BC. That's about 200 years later.

Iran would actually have continued to exert some influence but they abandoned their native religion (Mithraism and Zorarastarism) and instead adopted Islam.

That's when they died because whenever a people adopt language, education, religion from a foreigner, the result is always that you'll use it to put down yourself in the long run
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Westman001: 4:27pm On Apr 11
mhmsadyq:
Even if they have killed everyone in the country.

America has been humbled to negotiation with its tail between it legs, mediated by a third party that is more of an ally to Iran than America.

This is very significant to the image of Iran.

Israel cannot go close to the Pakistan because Israel has been an enemy of Pakistan since since since.
"America humbled to negotiation" Chai,, you be Olodo.

They wouldn't use people as shield to avoid bombing.

They were proudly stubborn. China and Pakistan had to tell them to go to the negotiation table because if they don't hell would happen there.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by mhmsadyq(m): 4:28pm On Apr 11
jmoore:
Using your citizens as human shield is never a strategy for a world power.
But a world power can threaten to bomb infrastructure.

What is the people without infrastructure?
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by mhmsadyq(m): 4:29pm On Apr 11
johnbuck81:
They kpuf ur president, vice president, Senate President, House of representatives, senators, governors, local government chairmen and you think you won? Stop being delusional.
Where did this happened?
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by ElSudani: 4:30pm On Apr 11
Westman001:
Negotiation is going on today. Everyone knows but you mumu man already have an agreement that was signed.
Trump and his supporters are known for bare faced lying and deranged ranting. Whoever said any agreement was signed.
There were proposals drafted by Iran which Trump initially rejected and later accepted as the basis for negotiation.
Why Trump supporters are so slow is beyond me.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Truthissupreme: 4:31pm On Apr 11
falopey:
. In the latest news, Iran is unable to open the strait because they don’t have the capability and infrastructure to remove all the land mine planted in the sea. They plant the mines but can’t find them. That’s why the strait is closed. This is how Iran has shut themselves in the foot because now America will take over the strait since America has ocean mine sweeper. Iran can’t open it because they don’t know how to remove the mines . They just gave America the legitimacy to take it
all these are America propaganda

Ask yourself why America and it's media is always the one speaking on behalf of themselves and Iran

They said supreme leader is out and unconscious later they would tell you he was the one that approved peace deal

Iran is very much in charge of that space and it's the ships and countries concerned that know the true story, if they could they would have helped themselves than allow Iran keep them bay

America is toast it can never return back to fight, it has simply surrendered while Iran is still striking drones as ND controlling homuz

The negotiations would end up favouring the one currently with leverage not the empty boaster ranting of a re newwar it has backed down from

That's why trump peace deal intitiated before and during the war all of them failed cos he has no cards, now he is gradually falling into pro Iran deal makers
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by mhmsadyq(m): 4:35pm On Apr 11
Westman001:
"America humbled to negotiation" Chai,, you be Olodo.

They wouldn't use people as shield to avoid bombing.

They were proudly stubborn. China and Pakistan had to tell them to go to the negotiation table because if they don't hell would happen there.
Why would America bomb infrastructure if no be frustration.

America was humbled!
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Emeskhalifa(m): 4:35pm On Apr 11
Nextjs:
What's your definition of world power?
Economically Iran currency to USD is 0. Their economy is in shambles.
Can u list 2 items in the market u see made in Iran? Except oil n gas?


Technological strength : they lack technical knowledge. Their cameras, cctv, traffic cameras etc has all been hacked by Israelis. Isreal boasted in having knowledge of their street more than isreali cities. They hacked everything n encrypted it n send it back to isreal.


Military strength : their nevy, airforce, everything raised n bombed they could cause damages. They resorted to terrorism bombing oil vessels on sea.
Reduced to nothing yet America and Isreal could not stop them from closing the Hormuz? How do you guys even think ffs?

Reduced to nothing but forced almighty America to the negotiation table? As I type The Vice president of America is on air heading to Pakistan to negotiate
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Donworo: 4:36pm On Apr 11
God1000:
Seeing Americans in Islamabad to negotiate with Iranians is really a big surprise, I still remember when Donald trump was running his mouth, demanding for unconditional surrender from Iran, that he must be involved in the selection of next supreme leader


A defeated Iran has forced them into negotiating at last
Iranian president, you no de tire? lol
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Nextjs: 4:47pm On Apr 11
Emeskhalifa:
Reduced to nothing yet America and Isreal could not stop them from closing the Hormuz? How do you guys even think ffs?

Reduced to nothing but forced almighty America to the negotiation table? As I type The Vice president of America is on air heading to Pakistan to negotiate
Trump don't want a prolonged war..

The aim is to take out the leadership, nuclear program etc and that was achieved within weeks

So now the new leadership will now think twice before they talk nuclear again.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Nextjs: 4:54pm On Apr 11
ElSudani:
I know when it started. In 1947 when Israel was created in Palestine and the systematic attempt by Israel to create an apartheid state and kill anyone who says otherwise.
Isreal has been existing before 1947 just like yoruba, igbo, Benin, hausa have been existing before before 1960.

Search histories. Even the Romansn documented how they destruction of Jerusalem even Emperor Vespasian and his son Titus celebrated


Read read

Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Teymanhenry(f): 4:59pm On Apr 11
God1000:
War will either make or mar you

US became very powerful after world war II and a sole superpower after the collapse of Soviet union, this Iran's war can be compared to what Japan did to US at Pearl Harbor which they fought back to the point of using nuke on japanese, they should thank God Iran doesn't have nuke yet but Americans have abused the goodwill they've enjoyed for nearly a century since they have decided to commit murder everywhere and bomb sovereign countries
unprovoked.


You made sense until you mentioned the use of nukes.... That alone could wipe out Iran. Plus it would not be good for a religious state to be a world power. The mass murder in the name of religion would be overwhelming
now it is Iran's time, they have finally joined the big powers
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Teymanhenry(f): 5:00pm On Apr 11
saintopus:
Yes! I believe so, Iran 🇮🇷 alliance with China and Russia also point to the next world 🌎 power which to me is China 🇨🇳
You clearly don't kno that morden world power has to do with influence.... China is a business enterprise. It'll be easy for any country to walk away from any affiliation with China because they don a direct transactional approach
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by victorazyvictor(m): 5:03pm On Apr 11
God1000:
No empire lasts forever, no dynasty continues unbroken. Some day, you and I will be mere legends. All that matters is whether we did what we could with the life that was given to us.


God bless the Islamic republic of Iran.
For your mind US wan lose fight? grin
Una never know what is going to happen.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Jakarta: 5:31pm On Apr 11
Johncarlo07:
But ur world power (USA) ran out of deir bases in d middle East, nd started living in hotels due to Iran missiles nd drones attack on deir bases😂😂.

Wat are dey doing? Using humans nd civilian habitation as shields.
Soo much for a world power.

Iran don humble una😄😄
World power for a reason, A country (USA) is at war with another country (Iran), and it is fighting from her base in another country (US base in the middle East), yet they still sniffed the life out of the most protected man in the enemy country (Iran), same enemy country (Iran) is still using humans as shield. Meanwhile the US is doing all these from their base in another country, only a world power country like US can do that. It is hard to accept, but that's the reality kpele.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by emmyileri(m): 5:35pm On Apr 11
World power without airforce and navy
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by UrVillageChief: 5:36pm On Apr 11
mhmsadyq:
Even if they have killed everyone in the country.

America has been humbled to negotiation with its tail between it legs, mediated by a third party that is more of an ally to Iran than America.
Pesin beat you still come tell you say make you no cry say make you allow make peace reign and you took that as a win?😭😂😂
No bro, that isn't fair. A strong country wouldn't want to negotiate until at least, he's able to have his own pound of flesh. Your silly logic is akin to Russia urging Ukraine to come up to the negotiation table after having killed Zelensky and several hundreds of the Ukranian army generals and Ukraine declaring victory saying since the call for a ceasefire was brought up by Russia, Ukraine wins the war😂😂
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by mhmsadyq(m): 5:42pm On Apr 11
UrVillageChief:
Pesin beat you still come tell you say make you no cry say make you allow make peace reign and you took that as a win?😭😂😂
No bro, that isn't fair. A strong country wouldn't want to negotiate until at least, he's able to have his own bound of flesh.
Why America gree to go Pakistan for the negotiation.
Afterall, America started the war. On what ground are they going for the negotiation?
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Ginomel(m): 5:52pm On Apr 11
Gotocourt:
Iran will be crushed again over Strait of Hormuz.

It's a natural passage not a artificially created canal📌💯 that can be tolled.
They don't even know what they are saying.

Peace is good, we all wish so.

US knows what is at stake if they don't prove to Iran who is the boss.

The strait could have still been liberated if US was out for it.

Though it would be when they will be left with no option.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by dappydozzy(m): 6:02pm On Apr 11
Gotocourt:
Iran will be crushed again over Strait of Hormuz.

It's a natural passage not a artificially created canal📌💯 that can be tolled.
Yrs, we know, but Iran is not a signatory to the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas.
The Strait of Hormuz can never remain the same after this war.

Iran does not need to close it before it disrupt oil flows from the Gulf.

That is why Russian and China vetoed the UN resolution on the use of force to open the Strait of Hormuz, as long as there is a military conflict the Strait of Hormuz cant be crossed.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Westman001: 6:13pm On Apr 11
mhmsadyq:
Why would America bomb infrastructure if no be frustration.

America was humbled!
Bro, that's the modern strategy of war. The goal was to weakened them. While kill people when you can just take what is their means of prosperity and power.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by rolams(m): 6:14pm On Apr 11
donleo92:
Make una dey deceive una self.... grin grin grin

Propaganda dey sweet, without it, you can't sell grin

Why is Vietnam not concerned a world power...... Because most people feel they won the war grin grin

And the Americans suffered heavier lost than what they have now undecided

So Iran is a world power, Because they shoot down two helicopter grin

but all their leaders been kpaied like chicken everyday, and their military infrastructure been destroyed is not a victory for America righthuh?

Waytin una understand as world power selfhuh?? grin

Shaa Make una dey mu mu

I shaa want the terrorist nation, not to accept the ceasefire cheesy grin

And let them try that stunt of using to civilians to defend their installation again


Them go blow them and their civilians to hell grin grin
Why can't you read the analysis before typing?
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by dappydozzy(m): 6:18pm On Apr 11
Nextjs:
Isreal has been existing before 1947 just like yoruba, igbo, Benin, hausa have been existing before before 1960.

Search histories. Even the Romansn documented how they destruction of Jerusalem even Emperor Vespasian and his son Titus celebrated


Read read
That was centuries BC, and you are talking about the ancient Jews, the Isrealites Not the State of Isreal. Even the ancient Hebrews lingua is different from the Modern Hebrew.
Yorubas, Hausa, are not a basis of comparison for the current State of Isreal.
The current Isreal is what we Yorubas call " ShakuShaku".
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by Westman001: 6:20pm On Apr 11
ElSudani:
Trump and his supporters are known for bare faced lying and deranged ranting. Whoever said any agreement was signed.
There were proposals drafted by Iran which Trump initially rejected and later accepted as the basis for negotiation.
Why Trump supporters are so slow is beyond me.
Here is your statement bro, "...Trump basically surrendered and agreed to 10 points plan..."

Who is bare faced lying with this your new comment now.

You are saying no agreement was made, saying you never said that. But you literally said it from what I quoted.

Acceptance of Iran point does not mean it is agreed upon or Trump surrendered.
Re: The War Is Turning Iran Into A Major World Power - Dr. Robert A. Pape by dappydozzy(m): 6:29pm On Apr 11
Nextjs:
Trump don't want a prolonged war..

The aim is to take out the leadership, nuclear program etc and that was achieved within weeks

So now the new leadership will now think twice before they talk nuclear again.
The US can't stop Iran from talking nuclear, there are several applications of nuclear technology apart from weapons, in field of medicine, energy etc. Every country need the
energy mix, that is why the US cant dictate for Iran.

Iran can only limit its nuclear programme by not enriching uranium, but telling Iran not to talk of nuclear is out of it.

Isreal has being assasinating Iran's nuclear scientists as far back as early 2000's thinking it will slow down their nuclear programs because a lot of young Iranian scientists have mastered the technology .
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