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cyberbro:
By mentioning Yoruba/Igbo/Hausa, I am talking about Nigerian ethnicities in general, that's the main context and anyone with enough knowledge would understand that. I can't possibly itemise all tribes to drive my point, hope you understand this.

Regardless, I understand your perspective and I am in no way invalidating or invisibilizing other ethnic groups in Nigeria.

Love and light brother. 👍🏽

Got your point now bro

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lawani:
People living on Yoruba land 70 million plus
Igbo land 25 million plus.
Hausa land 60 million plus

Total over 155 million. Explain how they are not up to forty percent of 220 million.

Don't tell me other people live on those lands because other people live on every land

Those statistics are flawed and be bold to name a source.

But nonetheless you said "people living in" those lands not people indigenous to those lands.

Please research my submission. The minorities in Nigeria are more and also resourceful. For example, Southern Kaduna people and Taraba and Plateau across to Nupes, Kogi ethnicities, down to the old Ogoja region and entire south south are all in the minority equation by strictly tribe

A lot of minorites speak the majority language as a second dialect but are not in anyway related in a major sense. In some cases their lands were invaded and their culture suffered subjugation as in the case of the North.

There are books you can read on the minority question and browse the interviews of the late Edwin Clarke and MT Mbu of blessed memories

Morizo:
Those statistics are flawed and be bold to name a source.

But nonetheless you said "people living in" those lands not people indigenous to those lands.

Please research my submission. The minorities in Nigeria are more and also resourceful. For example, Southern Kaduna people and Taraba and Plateau across to Nupes, Kogi ethnicities, down to the old Ogoja region and entire south south are all in the minority equation by strictly tribe

A lot of minorites speak the majority language as a second dialect but are not in anyway related in a major sense. In some cases their lands were invaded and their culture suffered subjugation as in the case of the North.

There are books you can read on the minority question and browse the interviews of the late Edwin Clarke and MT Mbu of blessed memories

I used NIN to determine the population of states by comparing them to Lagos. Lagos is like 23 million and the whole of SW over 55 million. There are still ethnic Yoruba land in Edo, Delta, Kwara and Niger. The total is easily over 70 million and non indigenes will be max of 5 to 7 percent because of Lagos. In other places apart from Lagos they are less than 3 percent.

SE is eighty percent of Lagos by NIN which makes their population like 19 million. Igbo land in in Delta North, Rivers and etc will take it to 25 million

NW minus Southern Kaduna is Hausa homeland and that will be around 60 million people or less by using NIN as well to compare them with Lagos.

NIN, voters registration, internet subscribers, active SIMs are all valid data that can be used to estimate population

lawani:
I used NIN to determine the population of states by comparing them to Lagos. Lagos is like 23 million and the whole of SW over 55 million. There are still ethnic Yoruba land in Edo, Delta, Kwara and Niger. The total is easily over 70 million and non indigenes will be max of 5 to 7 percent because of Lagos. In other places apart from Lagos they are less than 3 percent.

SE is eighty percent of Lagos by NIN which makes their population like 19 million. Igbo land in in Delta North, Rivers and etc will take it to 25 million

NW minus Southern Kaduna is Hausa homeland and that will be around 60 million people or less by using NIN as well to compare them with Lagos.

NIN, voters registration, internet subscribers, active SIMs are all valid data that can be used to estimate population

What you wrote above is overestimation by a wide stretch. How can you say minority is just 5 - 7 percent in Lagos? That alone shows you are just quoting figures to support a fallacious point of view.

Do you really know what is the minority question in Nigeria?

You mean in an estimated 250 million tribes and just 7 percent in Lagos? One of the first sellers of Lagos is a minority tribe from the Benin Kingdom. You should read about the old empires in Nigeria so you know that it's the military Dictatorships that concentrated resources in the majority tribes. A minority Anthony Enahoro moved the motion for self determination in 1957.

That alone should tell you where the minorities lie politically before the 1966 coup that brought th shake up

I repeat again, the minorities put together are far more than the three major tribes in population, land mass and natural resources. Go write that down and research

Even within the three majority tribes there are ethnic minorities who are suppressed. In the south west Ondo we have some ethnic minorities like the Ilajes and others. So with other states in Hausa, Ibo and yorubas. But there's no majority tribe trapped within the minority States.

The military states creation is also responsible for some issues because boundaries were not delineated according to ethnic groups in many places but by connection to the Head of State then...hence most minorities were trapped with the majority
Southern Kaduna is just one of many minority tribes in Southern Kaduna. What about the Nupes?

Morizo:
What you wrote above is overestimation by a wide stretch. How can you say minority is just 5 - 7 percent in Lagos? That alone shows you are just quoting figures to support a fallacious point of view.

Do you really know what is the minority question in Nigeria?

You mean in an estimated 250 million tribes and just 7 percent in Lagos? One of the first sellers of Lagos is a minority tribe from the Benin Kingdom. You should read about the old empires in Nigeria so you know that it's the military Dictatorships that concentrated resources in the majority tribes. A minority Anthony Enahoro moved the motion for self determination in 1957.

That alone should tell you where the minorities lie politically before the 1966 coup that brought th shake up

I repeat again, the minorities put together are far more than the three major tribes in population, land mass and natural resources. Go write that down and research

Even within the three majority tribes there are ethnic minorities who are suppressed. In the south west Ondo we have some ethnic minorities like the Ilajes and others. So with other states in Hausa, Ibo and yorubas. But there's no majority tribe trapped within the minority States.

The military states creation is also responsible for some issues because boundaries were not delineated according to ethnic groups in many places but by connection to the Head of State then...hence most minorities were trapped with the majority
Southern Kaduna is just one of many minority tribes in Southern Kaduna. What about the Nupes?

Yes SW as a whole not Lagos alone can't be more than 5-7 percent non Yoruba and there are no none Yoruba Lagos indigenes except the Egun who are more or less Yoruba. The Egun are Fon and only differ from the Yoruba in language. Can you point at an example of a Lagos island indigene that is not a Yoruba? Then Benin city of the empire is not the Benin city of today. The Benin of today can not communicate with Warri or Akure without speaking English but the old Benin spoke Yoruba with them. Also the present Benin is even today surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements and even the non Yoruba speaking settlements around there still speak Yoruba. Benin city was Yoruba and the Benin that went to Lagos were Yoruba people that bore Yoruba names and spoke Yoruba. I wonder why many refuse to acknowledge this. The people in the city today used to live in the suburbs. Then where did you see Ilaje people that say they are not Yoruba? In the past say 1910 they would have said so but not today. However there was no time they did not know that they were the same people with the rest of the Yoruba just that it was only the Oyo that was called Yoruba while others used their own identities and outsiders called everybody Aku, Olukunmi, Anago and etc and we called ourselves Omo olofin, Omo Oduduwa or omo ile Kaaro oojire before adopting the Yoruba label given by the British for convenience. It does not mean we were formed into one people by outsiders. The Oyo empire stretched to Ghana and we were aware of ourselves and knew there were other people different from us. There were always none Yoruba in our markets.

I am not saying there are no minorities but Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo are more than forty percent of total and infact Yoruba and Hausa alone constitute a simple majority. I however believe all minorities should control their territory and have autonomy no matter their population. If it were the civilians creating states according to the rules laid down at independence then all minorities would have been ok today with at least their own police. State creation by the military though a good idea was done arbitrarily and everybody is now fighting for more states with no rules on how states should be created since they must be equally represented at the Senate and even the house of rep seat allocation is arbitrary. Those are the issues.
There is a minority problem which will be solved immediately we agree indigenous people have right over their traditional territory that they held for millennia before colonisation

lawani:
Yes SW as a whole not Lagos alone can't be more than 5-7 percent non Yoruba and there are no none Yoruba Lagos indigenes except the Egun who are more or less Yoruba. The Egun are Fon and only differ from the Yoruba in language. Can you point at an example of a Lagos island indigene that is not a Yoruba? Then Benin city of the empire is not the Benin city of today. The Benin of today can not communicate with Warri or Akure without speaking English but the old Benin spoke Yoruba with them. Also the present Benin is even today surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements and even the non Yoruba speaking settlements around there still speak Yoruba. Benin city was Yoruba and the Benin that went to Lagos were Yoruba people that bore Yoruba names and spoke Yoruba. I wonder why many refuse to acknowledge this. The people in the city today used to live in the suburbs. Then where did you see Ilaje people that say they are not Yoruba? In the past say 1910 they would have said so but not today. However there was no time they did not know that they were the same people with the rest of the Yoruba just that it was only the Oyo that was called Yoruba while others used their own identities and outsiders called everybody Aku, Olukunmi, Anago and etc and we called ourselves Omo olofin, Omo Oduduwa or omo ile Kaaro oojire before adopting the Yoruba label given by the British for convenience. It does not mean we were formed into one people by outsiders. The Oyo empire stretched to Ghana and we were aware of ourselves and knew there were other people different from us. There were always none Yoruba in our markets.

I am not saying there are no minorities but Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo are more than forty percent of total and infact Yoruba and Hausa alone constitute a simple majority. I however believe all minorities should control their territory and have autonomy no matter their population. If it were the civilians creating states according to the rules laid down at independence then all minorities would have been ok today with at least their own police. State creation by the military though a good idea was done arbitrarily and everybody is now fighting for more states with no rules on how states should be created since they must be equally represented at the Senate and even the house of rep seat allocation is arbitrary. Those are the issues.
There is a minority problem which will be solved immediately we agree indigenous people have right over their traditional territory that they held for millennia before colonisation

I strongly disagree with your opinion about the Benin Kingdom but that's not to dispute your historical perspective. We all read different books and some authors are filled with misrepresentation. I also read memoirs and journals of explorers and early church clerics.

I wish we could have this civil discussion in a roundtable and everyone present their facts for scrutiny

One thing I agree with you is that we are not ready for state creation due to the greed from the political class. In My opinion, until we make politics less attractive and just a vocation were parliamentarians are paid just sitting allowances and the executive placed on a minimum wage... only then will the interest in state creation be about developmental purposes and cultural identity

Morizo:
I strongly disagree with your opinion about the Benin Kingdom but that's not to dispute your historical perspective. We all read different books and some authors are filled with misrepresentation. I also read memoirs and journals of explorers and early church clerics.

I wish we could have this civil discussion in a roundtable and everyone present their facts for scrutiny

One thing I agree with you is that we are not ready for state creation due to the greed from the political class. In My opinion, until we make politics less attractive and just a vocation were parliamentarians are paid just sitting allowances and the executive placed on a minimum wage... only then will the interest in state creation be about developmental purposes and cultural identity

I am not talking of the present Benin kingdom but the capital of the empire which existed on the same site. What exactly do you disagree with?

I think the right form of government is the party to be paying the law makers from dues collected from members and the lawmakers should be older people over 50 and any professional body, trade union and etc with due paying members should be able to field candidates that they will pay by themselves if those people need to be paid. Only the executive should be paid salaries. Other people should have their source of income and any sitting allowance should be paid by their parties for those who need it

lawani:
I am not talking of the present Benin kingdom but the capital of the empire which existed on the same site. What exactly do you disagree with?

I think the right form of government is the party to be paying the law makers from dues collected from members and the lawmakers should be older people over 50 and any professional body, trade union and etc with due paying members should be able to field candidates that they will pay by themselves if those people need to be paid. Only the executive should be paid salaries. Other people should have their source of income and any sitting allowance should be paid by their parties for those who need it

I totally agree with your view on the emoluments of public servants like legislators.

My disagreement is vast as per precolonial Nigeria. It will take a robust debate to share our views so we can find common grounds and trace sources of our information where we disagree upon

Have a blessed week bro

Morizo:
I totally agree with your view on the emoluments of public servants like legislators.

My disagreement is vast as per precolonial Nigeria. It will take a robust debate to share our views so we can find common grounds and trace sources of our information where we disagree upon

Have a blessed week bro

Ok. Some things can be up for debate but the language of old Benin city is not. It was a Yoruba dialect just like Itsekiri or Ijesa. Benin city had a population of around 50k people and Yoruba used to be the lingua franca. Somehow the city lost its population probably due to emigration and new people entered the city. More or less the same thing almost happened to Warri.

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lawani:
Ok. Some things can be up for debate but the language of old Benin city is not. It was a Yoruba dialect just like Itsekiri or Ijesa. Benin city had a population of around 50k people and Yoruba used to be the lingua franca. Somehow the city lost its population probably due to emigration and new people entered the city. More or less the same thing almost happened to Warri.

My research enquiries doesn't support this

esnbrutality:
No Yoruba woman is bigger than Okonjo Iweala..its that simple. Now cry and smash it on the floor.

No problem.
Iweala is not Ibo. Shes Ogwashi-ukwu, Anioma, Delta.

The day Ekpa tried to link her to biafra, Im sure u remember her response.

Remi Tinububis NOT Yoruba..she is itsekiri.

JoeEeL:
No problem.
Iweala is not Ibo. Shes Ogwashi-ukwu, Anioma, Delta.

The day Ekpa tried to link her to biafra, Im sure u remember her response.

esnbrutality:
Remi Tinububis NOT Yoruba..she is itsekiri.

Of course she's not

lawani:
Ok. Some things can be up for debate but the language of old Benin city is not. It was a Yoruba dialect just like Itsekiri or Ijesa. Benin city had a population of around 50k people and Yoruba used to be the lingua franca. Somehow the city lost its population probably due to emigration and new people entered the city. More or less the same thing almost happened to Warri.

Chaii this is very false.

NaWhoTalkAm:
Chaii this is very false.

Explain what is false there. History can't be manufactured as reality will always manifest sooner than later