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Dbegining:
Lets decipher your arguments one by one.





You saying the OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT THE BIBLE JUST SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE.

The Bible is made up of two Covenants: the old and new COVENANTS

The word testament just stand for "covenant" God has made covenants with with Abraham and tat was what formed the old testament

Jeremiah 9:7-8(old testament) NIV

"You are the LORD God, who chose Abram and brought him out of the land of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham.
You fund his heart faithful to you, and you made a COVENANT with him........"

And then God later promised the New Covenant in the same book.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 : "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt...."


The Bible is the Word of God as a fulfilment of his promise of a Old and new COVENANT OR TESTAMENT

Because it's the same GOD.

Now saying that the new testament was written long after JESUS died is pure wrong.

Cause number 1 is that JESUS IS ALIVE.

HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND HE LIVE FOREVER!

But the first 4 books of the new testament of are testimony of the Life of Jesus while he was on earth by those WHO WERE WITH HIM.

Matthew and John were apostles and were with JESUS all through.

Look at what Luke said:
Luke 1:1-4 (ESV): Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

And when FOUR EYE WITNESSES SAY AND TESTIFY THE SAME THING AND DIE FOR THEIR TESTIMONY, you'll know they are not lying.

John even said this:

John 1:1-3 (ESV): That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ


So, the Bible, both the old and new testament talked about Jesus. The old testament is about the prophecies of the coming of JESUS and the New testament is it's fulfilment . They are not stories

Psalm 2:7
"You are my Son, today I have become your Father."

Daniel 9:25-26 (KJV): "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah"

Isaiah 9:6 (ESV)

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"

Isaiah 7:14 (ESV)

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

The Bible is a continuous revelation from God. That is why the old testament talks of Christ and the new testament starts with Christ and Christ came to fufuil the law and prophets. That means the prophecies of the old testament were fufuiled in the new testament

Matthew 5:17 (ESV):
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

S the new testament is a fulfilment of the old testament thereby making ONE BIBLE!

That is why the Bible says "All scripture" the bible didn't divide itself. Both old testament and new testament are scripture!

2 Timothy 3:16 (ESV):
"All Scripture is breathed out by God .........."

AND

2 Peter 1:21 (ESV): "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."



Now saying that the Jews didn't believe is just a BIG LIE.

MULTITUDES OF JEWS BELIEVED.

John 6:1-14 (KJV): "After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude . followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.."

Matthew 15:32-39 (KJV): "Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude , because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. ... And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children."


Matthew 4:24-25 (KJV): "And his fame went throughout all Syria: ... and there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan."

Luke 12:1 (KJV): "In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

And this trend continues in The book of Acts.

When peter preached in Acts Chapter 2, 3,000 Jews were saved!!

YOU MUST STOP YOUR LIES.

Now to the question of why there are just 3% christians in Israel while Saudi Arabia has almost all the country as Muslims (NOT 100% THATS IS A LIE)

It's two reasons:

1. Islam spread through conquest and war and force. People were forced to convert to Islam while Christianity doesn't use force. Infact, in Islam as you well know, if you convert to another religion, you will be killed! So yes, No choice.

2. God has planned for ALL OF ISRAEL TO BE SAVED AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME.
Romans 11:25-26 (KJV)

25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved...."




You're wrong here again. Like I said before, you can't know a language more than those that own the language. The screenshot you posted even further proved me right.

Yeshua — Hebrew
Yashua — Aramaic
Yasū — Arabic

They all mean "Yahweh saves" and like you said, the are sister languages so that is why they sound and look similar in spelling. Or do you want to know more than the Arabs that own the language?

I'll say this again: the Quran is not a language book. It is a religious book. Not a language book so it can not serve as a source for language entomology.



You are wrong here again.

Jesus did not come as an European. HE came as a Jew.

The gospel of Jesus as the SON Of God was also preached to the Europeans.

Jisus people hated him so much..... only Islam and Christian love jesus the only difference between us is the end belief which u believe him to be God but we accept him as prophet. but we all hold him in high esteem.

doffman:
Kininwi bayi .

Do you remember your broda turji ?

Boya ko send msg mi yen si alfa e ni 9ja for interpretation

Mirasteel:
Because it's true, Jesus is a prophet and not son of God. God doesn't have a son. the earlier you guys seek the truth the better.

YHWH is not Allah. While Allah need w wife just like mortals to have a son, YHWH causes to exist. Jesus himself said he came out from YHWH. Did he ever tell you he has a Mom?

Mirasteel:
True muslims will never insult Jesus, show proof of muslims insulting Jesus or keep quiet.

Jesus is one of the prophet of God so every Muslim respects him just like other prophets before him.

Quran is the greatest insult to Jesus. After it attributes everything only Allah could do to Jesus Christ, it went ahead and call him a mere man.
Only Allah can create, only Allah will judge mankind in the end, according to the Quran. The same Quran recorded Jesus gave life to a clay bird and claimed he'll come back to judge mankind. Such a load of contradiction.

P1PrinceKT:
Do you think a prophet is an ordinary person?
When we say a person is a prophet we don't take him for granted, may be to your own perspective anyone can just wake up and become a prophet.

God is bigger than having a son. Having a son or someone to inherit you is one of the sign of weaknesses a human possess.

Jesus said, before Abraham was, I AM. Emphasis on the "I AM" was the reason they wanted to stone him. He literally called himself YHWH. Oga, the sender can't be the same level with those he sent.

Layi4real:
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Secondly Yasu is not Arabic it's a transliteration of Aramaic to Arabic. I doubt u know the difference between translation Nd transliteration.

He difference between translation and transliteration is:
Transliteration moves sound across alphabets. Translation moves meaning across vocabularies

The name Yesū is both a translation and a transliteration. Because it conveys the original meaning of the word: Yeshua (Yahweh saves) to Arabic and also conveys it's sound Yeshua – Yasū

And the reason it does so is because the person Jesus was not Arab, so his name is not of Arabic origin. The same for:

Yoruba: Jesus — Jesu

Hausa: Jesus — Yesu

Arabic: Jesus — Yasū



The only reason you're arguing is because you can't believe your Imams deceived you all these years.

Layi4real:
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Thirdly, u claim Islam rose by conquest i.e Jihad but you forgot that Christians crusade killed the largest percentage in the name of religion

God bless you for bringing this up!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU!

The crusaders were those who defended Europe against the conquest that was being carried about by the Muslim Jihadists of then. The crusaders is the reason Islam didn't conquer Europe. Islam through Jihad murdered thousands until the Crusaders came and stopped them.

So, in fact the crusaders were doing DEFENCE against Jihad. Just like what is happening in Nigeria now, we need crusaders!!

Layi4real:
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And thanks to God islam did not conquer the birth place of jisus which is Isreal. Islam has almost nothing to do with Isreal as over 70% population of the Jew who are jesus people practice Judaism follow by islam about 10% Nd less than 3% of Christians

ISLAM CAN NOT CONQUER ISREAL! YOU HAVE TRIED AND ARE STILL TRYING BUT GODS COVENANT REMANS WITH THEM! FOREVER!

The population of Christians being 3% has nothing to do with acceptance. Themuslims tha form 10% are not Jews. It's purely a GEOGRAPHICAL ISSUE.
Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries and this Muslims enter Israel for many reasons. If Israel was surrounded by USA, it will have a higher population of Christians full stop

Layi4real:
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if actually he died and rose again why are the isrealite not accepting him till date that they hated him

The Jews hating Jesus is the fulfilment of scriptures!

John 15:25: "But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: 'They hated me without a cause.'"

The are doing as God has ordained before the world began.

Layi4real:
. only Islam and Christian love jesus

Please don't say this again. You love Isa in the Quran.

Jesus is the Yasū who died on the cross (was not replaced like Isa was) and rose again on the third day and lives forever and ever!

He is the one which the Psalm spoke of when God said in Psalm 4:7

"You are my Son, today I have become your Father"

You believe and live Isa the prophet not Jesus the Son of God! Stick to your Isa!


About the pictures you posted, I won't even go into that cause Christians have moved to the NEW covenant. It's muslims that are still stuck at their own anachronistic laws and that is why you guys go around bombing people for your God.

Dbegining:
He difference between translation and transliteration is:
Transliteration moves sound across alphabets. Translation moves meaning across vocabularies

The name Yesū is both a translation and a transliteration. Because it conveys the original meaning of the word: Yeshua (Yahweh saves) to Arabic and also conveys it's sound Yeshua – Yasū

And the reason it does so is because the person Jesus was not Arab, so his name is not of Arabic origin. The same for:

Yoruba: Jesus — Jesu

Hausa: Jesus — Yesu

Arabic: Jesus — Yasū



The only reason you're arguing is because you can't believe your Imams deceived you all these years.



God bless you for bringing this up!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU!

The crusaders were those who defended Europe against the conquest that was being carried about by the Muslim Jihadists of then. The crusaders is the reason Islam didn't conquer Europe. Islam through Jihad murdered thousands until the Crusaders came and stopped them.

So, in fact the crusaders were doing DEFENCE against Jihad. Just like what is happening in Nigeria now, we need crusaders!!



ISLAM CAN NOT CONQUER ISREAL! YOU HAVE TRIED AND ARE STILL TRYING BUT GODS COVENANT REMANS WITH THEM! FOREVER!

The population of Christians being 3% has nothing to do with acceptance. Themuslims tha form 10% are not Jews. It's purely a GEOGRAPHICAL ISSUE.
Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries and this Muslims enter Israel for many reasons. If Israel was surrounded by USA, it will have a higher population of Christians full stop


The Jews hating Jesus is the fulfilment of scriptures!

John 15:25: "But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: 'They hated me without a cause.'"

The are doing as God has ordained before the world began.



Please don't say this again. You love Isa in the Quran.

Jesus is the Yasū who died on the cross (was not replaced like Isa was) and rose again on the third day and lives forever and ever!

He is the one which the Psalm spoke of when God said in Psalm 4:7

"You are my Son, today I have become your Father"

You believe and live Isa the prophet not Jesus the Son of God! Stick to your Isa!


About the pictures you posted, I won't even go into that cause Christians have moved to the NEW covenant. It's muslims that are still stuck at their own anachronistic laws and that is why you guys go around bombing people for your God.

both religion fought conquest and defensive war no dey lie here history dey internet. and u can see Yesu is neva an Arabic name for Jesus it was the Arab Christians that adopt it.

The joy of this thing is that every information can be gotten from internet and the people that brought this tech to us are the West/USA in which they are either Christians or Jews. so u can't tell me it's a lie what the AI is bringing or what the Google is bringing

Layi4real:
both religion fought conquest and defensive war no dey lie here history dey internet. and u can see Yesu is neva an Arabic name for Jesus it was the Arab Christians that adopt it.

The joy of this thing is that every information can be gotten from internet and the people that brought this tech to us are the West/USA in which they are either Christians or Jews. so u can't tell me it's a lie what the AI is bringing or what the Google is bringing

This is the second time I'll tell you:

CHATGPT CAN MAKE MISTAKES!!

And your prompt was very bad!

I translated from English to Yoruba, Hausa and Arabic


Just to keep the name "JESUS"

let me make it clearer to you so you can ask you best friend "ChatGPT"

Yeshua (Hebrew) — Jesu (Yoruba)
Yeshua (Hebrew) — Yesu (Hausa)
Yeshua (Hebrew) — Yasū (Arabic)

Again, the Christian Arabs are ARABS and we're Arabs before they became Christians. Christ came 600 years before the Quran and before Islam. Tha means there was a name Jesus was called before the fake "Isa" name came.

That name is "Yesū" just because the Christian Arabs use it doesn't make it wrong. They are Arabs and they are the real owners of the language.

Lastly, I hope you see that there's no mention of ISA?



About the History of the Crusaders, go and read up about it. CHATGPT is not what will give you history!! 😆 Lol

Read books. Don't be a Genz. Don't be lazy.

The crusaders carried out RECONQUEST! Took back lands that were formerly taken by the Muslim Jihadists.

The other side went on Conquest to spread their religion. Christianity has never been spread by Conquest.

The Bible strictly says "Go into all the world and PREACH"

NOT FIGHT!

Dbegining:
This is the second time I'll tell you:

CHATGPT CAN MAKE MISTAKES!!

And your prompt was very bad!

I translated from English to Yoruba, Hausa and Arabic


Just to keep the name "JESUS"

let me make it clearer to you so you can ask you best friend "ChatGPT"

Yeshua (Hebrew) — Jesu (Yoruba)
Yeshua (Hebrew) — Yesu (Hausa)
Yeshua (Hebrew) — Yasū (Arabic)

Again, the Christian Arabs are ARABS and we're Arabs before they became Christians. Christ came 600 years before the Quran and before Islam. Tha means there was a name Jesus was called before the fake "Isa" name came.

That name is "Yesū" just because the Christian Arabs use it doesn't make it wrong. They are Arabs and they are the real owners of the language.

Lastly, I hope you see that there's no mention of ISA?



About the History of the Crusaders, go and read up about it. CHATGPT is not what will give you history!! 😆 Lol

Read books. Don't be a Genz. Don't be lazy.

The crusaders carried out RECONQUEST! Took back lands that were formerly taken by the Muslim Jihadists.

The other side went on Conquest to spread their religion. Christianity has never been spread by Conquest.

The Bible strictly says "Go into all the world and PREACH"

NOT FIGHT!

Who are the programmes of the AI. aren't they Christians or Jews so they won't make such a mistake. No matter how u prompt the AI or use Google sources it will tell u that Isa is the original Arabic name for Jesus and Yesu is just direct transliteration for Jesus. see let put a stop to all this argument. believe in Ur Jesus while I believe in my own Jesus as portrayed in my Qur'an

jmoore:
Anyone that always plans to kill another because his prophet or Allah was insulted is a terrorist.

Then most Tinubu’s and Iran’s supporters here are..................

Layi4real:
Who are the programmes of the AI. aren't they Christians or Jews so they won't make such a mistake.

I hope you know that you are admitting that Islam and Muslims contribute NOTHING TO SOCIETY APART FROM TERRORISM.

Layi4real:
. No matter how u prompt the AI or use Google sources it will tell u that Isa is the original Arabic name for Jesus and Yesu is just direct transliteration for Jesus.

I don't understand, are you not the one that posed the screenshot below?

THE PRIMARY ARABIC NAME OF JESUS IS YASŪ!

The logic is simple: Before the Quran was given, the name Jesus already existed. And it was Yasū in Arabic. Islam that came after 600 years CAN NOT determine what a name that existed before it was called!

Layi4real:
believe in Ur Jesus while I believe in my own Jesus as portrayed in my Qur'an

This is what I've been saying!

The Isa in the Quran is NOT a Jew while the Jesus in the Bible was a Jew.

The Isa in the Quran did not have 12 apostles while the Jesus in the Bible had 12 apostles

The Isa in the Quran did not die and come back to life on the 3rd day while the Jesus in the Bible DIED AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE 3RD DAY.

THEY AE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE

Call your Isa, Isa but HE IS NOT AND CAN NEVER BE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, THE MESSIAH.

DON'T BLASPHAME!

Dbegining:
I hope you know that you are admitting that Islam and Muslims contribute NOTHING TO SOCIETY APART FROM TERRORISM.



I don't understand, are you not the one that posed the screenshot below?

THE PRIMARY ARABIC NAME OF JESUS IS YASŪ!

The logic is simple: Before the Quran was given, the name Jesus already existed. And it was Yasū in Arabic. Islam that came after 600 years CAN NOT determine what a name that existed before it was called!



This is what I've been saying!

The Isa in the Quran is NOT a Jew while the Jesus in the Bible was a Jew.

The Isa in the Quran did not have 12 apostles while the Jesus in the Bible had 12 apostles

The Isa in the Quran did not die and come back to life on the 3rd day while the Jesus in the Bible DIED AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE 3RD DAY.

THEY AE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE

Call your Isa, Isa but HE IS NOT AND CAN NEVER BE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, THE MESSIAH.

DON'T BLASPHAME!

the fact that they didn't invent AI doesn't mean they contribute nothing positively to the world. Nd in my post it clearly stated that Isa is the standard Arabic word for Jesus Nd Yasu or Yesu is not classical or proper Arabic name for jesus. so no where quoted that the primary Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu stop lying. The Arab never called jesus Yasu I repeat. they only know him as Isa. mind u the name Yeshua or Iseous has been in existence amongst the Jew before the birth of jesus. Jesus isn't the first to be called that name

Layi4real:
the fact that they didn't invent AI doesn't mean they contribute nothing positively to the world. Nd in my post it clearly stated that Isa is the standard Arabic word for Jesus Nd Yasu or Yesu is not classical or proper Arabic name for jesus. so no where quoted that the primary Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu stop lying. The Arab never called jesus Yasu I repeat. they only know him as Isa. mind u the name Yeshua or Iseous has been in existence amongst the Jew before the birth of jesus. Jesus isn't the first to be called that name

I live what you're saying!!! God bless you!

What you're saying is that the name "Jesus" existed thousand of years before Islam.


Arabic as a language also existed hundred of years before Islam.

Now answer this my question so we'll end this debate:

How can a religion that came into existence thousands of years AFTER a name and a language, determine what the name is called in the language?

Just a simple question. How can Islam tell us what The name JESUS is called If it wasn't in existence when the name was given and when the language was spoken?

I'll attach your screenshot again that said " Primary " Arabic name for Jesus. YOUR OWN SCREENSHOT!

Layi4real:
Did jesus call himself prophet or not? did the bible referred him as prophet or not? the answer is yes.
Jesus did not say those exact words plainly that He is God but He made statements understood as claiming divinity unlike him saying directly he is prophet..... Muslims only call him what he called himself and no Muslims will ever curse any prophet of the book neither will they called them whatever the bible didn't call them. it's the bible that is insulting jesus not the Muslims

I and my Father are one (John 10:30).
Before Abraham was, I AM (John 8:58). That's exactly the name the God we serve wants to be addressed as (Exodus 3:13-14). Why do you think they wanted to stone him in John 8:58? For claiming to be just a prophet?
Since you think you know the Bible, who do you think are the the master, the son and the servants in Matt. 21:33-39 (also in Luke 20:9-19)? The fact that a father sent different prophets and decided to send his own son after the former prophets were unable to accomplish the job doesn't make the son a mere servant. This parable was told by Jesus himself. He doesn't have to say it explicitly that he's more than just a prophet. Apart from fulfilling all prophecies about the coming Messiah, his actions and words agreed with the fact that he's the son of God. He made it clear he's the son of God, so the God he's talking about can never be your Allah because that one only has slaves and needed a wife to have a son.
YHWH is not Allah. You guys should stop associating Islam with the God of the Bible. They're completely different entities. Anyone who has read the Quran and the Bible would know these entities are different persons.

Layi4real:
one thing u should know is that Jesus is not only limited to Christianity. Both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus but the way we view him are different. if u call it blasphemy that jesus is son of God Muslims too will call it blasphemy calling Jesus God because in our holy book jesus is a messenger of God Nd prophet of God. it's only blasphemy when jesus has nothing to do with Muslim too. but the same can't be say about Christian saying trash about Muhammad bcus u people don't believe in him Nd bliv not to have record of him in Ur scripture.

Isa of the Quran is not the Jesus of the Bible. For God's sake, Quran didn't even get the name of his mother right.

Layi4real:
Let me remind u that we are speaking English here and not the language of jesus I.e Hebrew or Language of Muhammad i.e Arabic. so me as a Muslim calling prophet Isa as Jesus is very right because that is the English name for it. check it anywhere just like I can call Allah as God too bcus that is the translational word for it. There is nothing like been a trouble maker because both Christians and Muslims borrowed the English language to translate the original text of the holy book for us to understand.
Another thing is that Quran didn't steal from the bible as the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad directly from God through angel Gabriel. And if u check well the story of Jesus and Mary in the Qur'an is slightly different and more preserved than what is in Ur bible. The Quran version is the perfect and not tampered story of Jesus Nd Mary. The Quran talk about them and other prophet that comes before Jesus as well. so quran did not copy from any book.

Let me school u about bowing to kaabah. Muslims face the kaabah for worship they do not worship the kaabah which u call Blackstone. saying they worship the Blackstone is like u saying the Christians that goes to churches and knelt to the Sculpture of Mary or Jesus are worshipping the bronze or clay used in making the sculpture. The early Christians too has a tradition of facing the he East to worship too. so don't put mouth for wetin Uno understand.

If I think Jesus is not in the Quran goan get Ursef English Quran and see if u won't see Jesus clearly written there.

Oga, any Christian bowing to any image or whatever they call is an idol worshipper. The God we serve explicitly forbid bowing to any image or stone or anything of sort. And of course, Catholics are worshipping the images they bow to. Who in their right sense pray towards an an object and deny it's not a worship? My guy, that blackstone in mecca is your god.

Dbegining:
I live in Kaduna. Trust me you don't know half of the Sunni - Shia clash.

So, if I say they kill each other, Gbabe!

Then,



Firstly, it is not new that there are different opinions in Christiandom. One of the first gifts God gave man is freewill and the ability to choose.

That's why the Bible says in

Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV)

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

And;

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

But one thing the bible has said time and time again is that God is one! ONE GOD!

Ephesians 4:4-6 (ESV)

"There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

So, that means that:

1. Man has the ability to do his own will
2. God is one and therefore CAN NOT go against himself.

Now, that being said, it means that God can not orchestrate the death of his own children.

Meaning they did that either by their own will or by the devil.

And that's not surprising cause even jesus said that not everyone that calls 'Lord, Lord" are his own

Matthew 7:21 (ESV)

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Also, the antichrist will come from the church itself!

1 John 2:18-19 (KJV)

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us ; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."



But Glory to The FATHER that he brought them to naught!

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣

I have been here long enough to know when engaging is surely a waste of time. What more do I expect from someone who believed Deuteronomy 18:18 was Moses words and not that of Jehovah.

I will pass....

Lukuluku69:
We will come to the Isaiah you quoted after we finish with Deuteronomy 18:18.

So, who was the Prophet "like unto" Moses that that verse talked about?

Do you know or not?

Has that Priphet come or he is still being awaited?

The only part in Deut. 18:18 that applies to your momo is the one that says any prophet that lies shall die.
I don't even know how Muslims even think this is about Momo. First, he's not a brethren, secondly, he's not in line of prophethood, thirdly, he doesn't even qualify to be called a prophet by the biblical standards.

DeOTR:
The only part in Deut. 18:18 that applies to your momo is the one that says any prophet that lies shall die.
I don't even know how Muslims even think this is about Momo. First, he's not a brethren, secondly, he's not in line of prophethood, thirdly, he doesn't even qualify to be called a prophet by the biblical standards.

But it was your Jesus the Jews applied it to and they claimed they killed him

Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJV) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

DeOTR:
The only part in Deut. 18:18 that applies to your momo is the one that says any prophet that lies shall die.
I don't even know how Muslims even think this is about Momo. First, he's not a brethren, secondly, he's not in line of prophethood, thirdly, he doesn't even qualify to be called a prophet by the biblical standards.

Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJV) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Replay your Calvary drama in your head and while doing it have the above verse in mind too.

The Jews are still denying your man God till date because of the above verse and what you said happened to your man god.

DeOTR:
Oga, any Christian bowing to any image or whatever they call is an idol worshipper. The God we serve explicitly forbid bowing to any image or stone or anything of sort. And of course, Catholics are worshipping the images they bow to. Who in their right sense pray towards an an object and deny it's not a worship? My guy, that blackstone in mecca is your god.

Nd who ever worship his fellow human being is an idol worshippers. all Christians are idol worshippers too.

DeOTR:
Isa of the Quran is not the Jesus of the Bible. For God's sake, Quran didn't even get the name of his mother right.

There is a whole surah for jesus mother in the Quran suratul mayam. If u say the jesus in Quran is different from that of the bible then u are right bcus there stories are different in some case which make the bible jesus the canterfit.

DeOTR:
I and my Father are one (John 10:30).
Before Abraham was, I AM (John 8:58). That's exactly the name the God we serve wants to be addressed as (Exodus 3:13-14). Why do you think they wanted to stone him in John 8:58? For claiming to be just a prophet?
Since you think you know the Bible, who do you think are the the master, the son and the servants in Matt. 21:33-39 (also in Luke 20:9-19)? The fact that a father sent different prophets and decided to send his own son after the former prophets were unable to accomplish the job doesn't make the son a mere servant. This parable was told by Jesus himself. He doesn't have to say it explicitly that he's more than just a prophet. Apart from fulfilling all prophecies about the coming Messiah, his actions and words agreed with the fact that he's the son of God. He made it clear he's the son of God, so the God he's talking about can never be your Allah because that one only has slaves and needed a wife to have a son.
YHWH is not Allah. You guys should stop associating Islam with the God of the Bible. They're completely different entities. Anyone who has read the Quran and the Bible would know these entities are different persons.

imagine listen to ursef. let put religion aside and be logical if you claim the creator has a son then who is the creator wife that gave birth to the son? what make such a God difference from the greek gods? God is beyond having wife son or any attachments because he all powerful he neither begget nor is born, he has no beginning Nd has no end. he is everlasting. Why will God in his mighty stoop so low to come down on earth. To proof what exactly? is he not the one in command thousands of years before the birth of jesus. And if he comes down to Earth in human form what has he coming achieved different from pre jesus era. The world is still in a mess. he can't even control the Isrealis where he was born that they had to beat tortured him Nd killed him.... all this are insult to the creator walahi. nobody dare touches God in any form. Even without telling u it's very sensible to know that Jesus is a man like me Nd u sent down from God to guide us to the right path. If he had explicitly said it anywhere that he is God worship me then the story might be different but he did not. if u justify him to be God by quoting some verses that my father and I are one the what about those verses that said " for my Father is greater than I " “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.” “…not as I will, but as You will.” This shows a distinction between his will and God’s will. John 17:3“…that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

In nutshell the story of Muslims jesus is more reasonable as he is very respected Nd revered in the holy Qur'an just like the other prophets. Jesus birth is devine but he was born without a father but don't forget that Adam didn't even have both father and mother and that does not make him God. God is only proving his power that only him can create without father without both parents. he even created Eve from a man without woman.

Dbegining:
I live what you're saying!!! God bless you!

What you're saying is that the name "Jesus" existed thousand of years before Islam.


Arabic as a language also existed hundred of years before Islam.

Now answer this my question so we'll end this debate:

How can a religion that came into existence thousands of years AFTER a name and a language, determine what the name is called in the language?

Just a simple question. How can Islam tell us what The name JESUS is called If it wasn't in existence when the name was given and when the language was spoken?

I'll attach your screenshot again that said " Primary " Arabic name for Jesus. YOUR OWN SCREENSHOT!

Jesus Christ is not the first person to be named Yeshua or Iesus because people has been answering to that name before Jesus Christ exists and the language of that time are the Aramaic Hebrew greek Arabic. and if u check those languages they are sister language. just like Chinese and Korea Nd Japan. So Yeshua/Iesus was jesus name in his native jew language but his popularity at that time will definitely cut across the region Nd the Arab where they call him Isa and the greek call him Iēsous Nd the Latin call him Iesus. Like a Muslim called Dhikrullahi now if someone that isn't a Muslim hearing the name for the first time will pronounce it they won't pronounce it right they will use there own local tone to pronounce it and that doesn't change the meaning

Lukuluku69:
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I have been here long enough to know when engaging is surely a waste of time. What more do I expect from someone who believed Deuteronomy 18:18 was Moses words and not that of Jehovah.

I will pass....

Wise choice. Run!

That's the best thing you can do. But let me escort you with one more scripture so you can run well.

Deuteronomy 18:14-19 (ESV)

14 for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this.

15 “ The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen—

16 just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’

17 And the Lord said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken.

18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.





The words "will raise someone like me"

Was spoken TWICE in that Deuteronomy.

FIRST Moses spoke the words to the Israelites that GOD WILL RAISE......


SECOND Moses spoke it as quoting God directly as when God said it to him. "I will raise up for them a prophet like you"

So first it was spoken by Moses as what God said to him and then Moses himself quoted what God said directly to him not in a second person pronoun!


I wasn't wrong!

The truth is you don't have any reply to what I said. And for you to even think that hat Deuteronomy verse could have been referring to Muham.........med shows you're living in DELULU KINGDOM. YOURE BEING DELUSIONAL.

Cause it clearly said "from among their brothers" which means A JEW!

But please run! JESUS IS GOD!!!

Layi4real:
Jesus Christ is not the first person to be named Yeshua or Iesus because people has been answering to that name before Jesus Christ exists and the language of that time are the Aramaic Hebrew greek Arabic. and if u check those languages they are sister language. just like Chinese and Korea Nd Japan. So Yeshua/Iesus was jesus name in his native jew language but his popularity at that time will definitely cut across the region Nd the Arab where they call him Isa and the greek call him Iēsous Nd the Latin call him Iesus. Like a Muslim called Dhikrullahi now if someone that isn't a Muslim hearing the name for the first time will pronounce it they won't pronounce it right they will use there own local tone to pronounce it and that doesn't change the meaning

Again GOD BLESS YOU for saying Jesus wasn't the first person to be named by tha name.

But the name "Isa" was FIRST FOUND IN THE QUR'AN!

That means, people have ben calling the name Jesus in ARABIC before the word "Isa" even existed.

So, what did they call Jesus before the Quran came and brought the name "Isa" ?

Yesū!!!

I've attached a screenshot of what AI has to say.

You know AI is your best friend now. As you've refused to read books.

I also attached my prompt so you can go and ask your own AI 😂😂😂

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'LL TELL YOU:

DON'T BLASPHEME AGAINST YASŪ. DON'T EVER CALL HIM A PROPHET OR ISA.

STOP YOUR BLASPHEMY. RESPECT MY RELIGION!

YESŪ, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. ISA WAS JUST A PROPHET.

Dbegining:
Wise choice. Run!

That's the best thing you can do. But let me escort you with one more scripture so you can run well.

Deuteronomy 18:14-19 (ESV)

14 for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this.

15 “ The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen—

16 just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’

17 And the Lord said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken.

18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.





The words "will raise someone like me"

Was spoken TWICE in that Deuteronomy.

FIRST Moses spoke the words to the Israelites that GOD WILL RAISE......


SECOND Moses spoke it as quoting God directly as when God said it to him. "I will raise up for them a prophet like you"

So first it was spoken by Moses as what God said to him and then Moses himself quoted what God said directly to him not in a second person pronoun!


I wasn't wrong!

The truth is you don't have any reply to what I said. And for you to even think that hat Deuteronomy verse could have been referring to Muham.........med shows you're living in DELULU KINGDOM. YOURE BEING DELUSIONAL.

Cause it clearly said "from among their brothers" which means A JEW!

But please run! JESUS IS GOD!!!

Yeah, I will run from an one who think the word ls in Deuteronomy 18:18 as elsewhere are Moses words and that between Moses and Jehovah they struggled to get their ideas across.

Yeah I will 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♀️

Enjoy your Cuckoo world. Bask in it wink 😉

Lukuluku69:
But it was your Jesus the Jews applied it to and they claimed they killed him

Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJV) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Yes na as Deut. 18:18 you referenced is the same as Deut. 21:23.
See Muslim brain.

Layi4real:
Nd who ever worship his fellow human being is an idol worshippers. all Christians are idol worshippers too.

Which chapter and verse of the Bible are you quoting to defend this one?
Jesus called himself the I AM. I don't think that's the name of a mortal man.

Lukuluku69:
Yeah, I will run from an one who think the word ls in Deuteronomy 18:18 as elsewhere are Moses words and that between Moses and Jehovah they struggled to get their ideas across.

Yeah I will 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♀️

Enjoy your Cuckoo world. Bask in it wink 😉

ONE DOWN!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Run if you want to but don't lie! I like other Christians believe that the Bible is the Word of God! The entire Bible!

Tell me one place during our entire argument where I said "Word of Moses"

If you want to run, run but don't make EXCUSES and wink! 😂😂 I BEAT YOU fair and square!

Go and meet your Alpha to give you more lies.

I was actually debating wth two of you. I can't believe I finished you before the other guy!

The other guy is quite stubborn. But I'm sure he too will run just like you.

DeOTR:
Yes na as Deut. 18:18 you referenced is the same as Deut. 21:23.
See Muslim brain.

Christain brain, follow the arguments. You lots believe Jesus was not a Prophet yet wen Duet.18:18 is quoted, you are quick to claim it for your man god.

Duet. 21:23 is the solid ground the Jews will continue to reject your man god.

Read it slowly and play back what was written for your man god at Calvary.

DeOTR:
Isa of the Quran is not the Jesus of the Bible. For God's sake, Quran didn't even get the name of his mother right.

Bro, these guys are stubborn!

They want to associate themselves with the Bible by all means in order to get validation!

Worst part, they have no evidence. Just saying what they feel like, giving scriptures they don't even understand.