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This Sunday, most churches in southern Nigeria will be full. Songs will rise. Hands will lift. People will say they are entering the presence of God. But some truths do not wait politely outside the sanctuary.

The same argument many Christians once used against our African deities now returns to their own doorstep.

They asked: if your gods are real, why did they not stop the slave ships? Why did they not scatter the colonizers? Why did they not strike down those who chained bodies, burned villages, stole lands, and renamed worlds?

Now the same question can be asked of Christianity.

If the Christian God is the ruler of heaven and earth, why does He not stop those who massacre Christians, bomb churches, abduct worshippers, and erase ancient Christian communities? Why must frightened people defend an all-powerful God with hashtags, politics, and pleas?

The blade they sharpened for others has found its way back to their own hands.

My point is not to defend African religion or attack Christianity as a sport. My point is consistency.

If silence during African suffering was proof that African deities were false, then what is divine silence during Christian suffering proof of now?

If conquered people were told their gods were weak because invaders won, then what does it mean when believers today are conquered, displaced, and killed while praying to the God said to rule all things?

This is where many people like Baba Isaac Omolehin are blind to the harder possibility: religions are human systems built around meaning, fear, power, identity, memory, and hope. Perhaps men crown their tribal god as universal God, then call history itself proof.

The God of the Bible emerges from a particular people, a particular land, a particular story, a particular tradition. Adam and Eve, Eden, Israel, Sinai, the prophets, these are not generic human memories shared by all civilizations from the beginning. They come through Hebrew tradition, through the Torah and the Tanakh, later through Christianity's expansion.

That matters.

Because if many peoples never knew that story until conquest, trade, mission, or empire carried it to them, then we should be honest enough to admit that what many call “universal truth” also has a historical route, a political route, and a violent route.

How do you justify a conqueror killing your ancestors, humiliating your culture, then handing you his God and calling it salvation? Would it not have been better handing you guns and ammunition instead?

How do you separate revelation from domination?

How do you know whether conversion came from truth, survival, fear, schooling, pressure, hunger, or force?

These are not childish questions.

And if there is a supreme reality beyond all names, why assume it is fully captured inside one religion, one book, one tribe’s language for the sacred?

_{If something greater exists, it would not belong to any institution at all. Perhaps that is why sun worship appears across civilizations, because every human being can see and depend on the sun. Even Christianity carries this openly: worship on Sunday, the very day of the sun; East star, often linked in popular discussion to older fertility and spring symbols; halos placed behind holy figures like solar discs; and Jesus rising into the sky as a visible image of ascension and light. Many repeat the symbols without noticing what they are participating in.}


We are quick to label mystery, slower to prove anything. The moment certainty outruns evidence, belief has begun. That is not automatically evil. But it should be admitted honestly.

So when people like Baba Isaac Omolehin say “defend the church,” I hear something else: defend inheritance, defend identity, defend community, defend memory, defend the story that made life feel ordered.

Did you not hear that God already told us all these was going to happen? So we are not bothered.

Like most ignorant people around you the identity of true Christian group is hidden from your grasp!

True Christians don't have any issue with other religions rather it's the false religions claiming they are Christians that's fighting against true Christianity!🙂

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not hear that God already told us all these was going to happen? So we are not bothered.

Damn. I apologize!

Since every suffering, killing, and kidnapping is excused because God supposedly said it beforehand, then compassion has no meaning, injustice becomes holy, and the dead are told they deserve it. As a humanist, that is the death of conscience dressed as faith.

Roycemadeit:
Damn. I apologize!

Since every suffering, killing, and kidnapping is excused because God supposedly said it beforehand, then compassion has no meaning, injustice becomes holy, and the dead are told they deserve it. As a humanist, that is the death of conscience dressed as faith.

Remember, it is written that every one will give account of their works and you heard that after all these God's Court would be raised to pass Judgement upon men. So just is, is covered

Then, when a house is marked for demolition it makes no sense fixing anything in it. So, you just have to wait for God or you can try and do what you can to stop it but even you yourself know that it is futile

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember, it is written that every one will give account of their works and you heard that after all these God's Court would be raised to pass Judgement upon men. So just is, is covered

Then, when a house is marked for demolition it makes no sense fixing anything in it. So, you just have to wait for God or you can try and do what you can to stop it but even you yourself know that it is futile

Once again. I apologize.

And I would always apologize.



Let me use an analogy. According to the book, God caused a woman to suffer pain in childbirth. Humanity answered with anesthesia, medicine, and safer delivery. Instead of kneeling before suffering because a text described it, we studied the problem, understood the cause, and created relief. That is the purpose of our intelligence: to confront reality, improve reality, and reduce needless suffering.

So when I mention places like Turkey, once deeply Christian, or Syria, with ancient Christian roots, and someone replies, “The Bible foretold it,” I hear ...................... disguised as insight. If suffering, decline, persecution, or civilizational change are simply to be accepted because they were predicted, then thought itself becomes useless.

And there is a deeper problem. Turkey was Islamized centuries ago. Generations have been born into a different faith through history, not personal conspiracy. If salvation depends on believing in Jesus in the approved way, then countless people are swept toward hell largely by birthplace and inheritance.

One could then assume that this is divine justice, or a system arranged so that not everyone was ever meant to make heaven!!!

Roycemadeit:
Once again. I apologize.

And I would always apologize.

Let me use an analogy. [b]According to the book, God caused a woman to suffer pain in childbirth. Humanity answered with anesthesia, medicine, and safer delivery.

Answer, not cure and your Google still says that "Global maternal mortality remains critically high, with an estimated 260,000 women dying from pregnancy or childbirth-related causes in 2023—"...

Plus, your answer is only accessible by the rich and yet they still die .

https://www.nairaland.com/1931154/wasiu-ayindes-dancer-kemi-omotoyinbo#26821647

https://www.nairaland.com/8195590/sharon-okpamen-dies-after-childbirth#131688663

Plus, painful delivery is not the only cus that God gave

Roycemadeit:
So when I mention places like Turkey, once deeply Christian, or Syria, with ancient Christian roots, and someone replies, “The Bible foretold it,” I hear ...................... disguised as insight. If suffering, decline, persecution, or civilizational change are simply to be accepted because they were predicted, then thought itself becomes useless.

And there is a deeper problem. Turkey was Islamized centuries ago. Generations have been born into a different faith through history, not personal conspiracy. If salvation depends on believing in Jesus in the approved way, then countless people are swept toward hell largely by birthplace and inheritance.

One could then assume that this is divine justice, or a system arranged so that not everyone was ever meant to make heaven!!!

Now you have moved away from topic of why God is silent to "salvation of people born in non Christian countries. If you are interested in that been addressed by several threads here.

Dtruthspeaker:
Answer, not cure and your Google still says that "Global maternal mortality remains critically high, with an estimated 260,000 women dying from pregnancy or childbirth-related causes in 2023—"...

Plus, your answer is only accessible by the rich and yet they still die .

https://www.nairaland.com/1931154/wasiu-ayindes-dancer-kemi-omotoyinbo#26821647

https://www.nairaland.com/8195590/sharon-okpamen-dies-after-childbirth#131688663

Plus, painful delivery is not the only cus that God gave



Now you have moved away from topic of why God is silent to "salvation of people born in non Christian countries. If you are interested in that been addressed by several threads here.

Funny 🤣

Roycemadeit:
Funny 🤣

I weak you shey? 🤣🤣🤣🤣