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Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by nairalanda1(m): 8:15am On Apr 19
TheGoodJoe:
I repeat, since the Subsidy is gone, why is there no refinery springing up if that was the reason.

Dangote worked because of massive government support. He got billions of dollars from Buhari 's government as loan. That is all.

If Government support more companies, they will bloom. The rest is story.
Well there have been some refining licences issued since the subsidy went and BUA is building his own refinery by the way.

Also why shifting the goal post old man?

Finally , CBN gave Dangote loans amounting to about 2billion dollars in eleven years. Dangote got most of the loans from international banks , local banks which amounted to 3 billion and a 3 billion loan from the African development Bank. The CBN loan has since been repaid.

Again Dangote got loans because he had other lucrative businesses which were in essence defacto collateral
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by DataDoc: 8:16am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
The price of crude oil has crashed internationally but why has Dangote not reduced the prices of his petroleum products? Because I noticed that when it was increased internationally he immediately increases his price but now that it's dropping why has he not followed suit
Price crashed on Friday. Wait till this new week, Sir.

If, for instance, Dangote bought crude at the old price, will he sell at a loss?
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by BreakingNews21: 8:17am On Apr 19
I read that former Shell executive David Bird is now the managing CEO of Dangote Petroleum. So far so good managing the division and dealing with unhinged politicians both home and abroad, and the Mafia like NNCPL.
✌️

Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by correctguy101(m): 8:19am On Apr 19
Na the usual "old stock" excuse dem go tell you na.

If prices were low before, they'll never continue selling low even if it's the same old stock.

Me too dey do am for my business 😁😁

That's why my grandpa, even if he was a business person, will tell you none of us will make heaven if there's one...

Business men are evilgrincheesy
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by nairalanda1(m): 8:20am On Apr 19
TheGoodJoe:
I repeat, since the Subsidy is gone, why is there no refinery springing up if that was the reason.

Dangote worked because of massive government support. He got billions of dollars from Buhari 's government as loan. That is all.

If Government support more companies, they will bloom. The rest is story.
Also a simple search shows that there are 23 refienries currently in development.

Again, I am not defending anyone. Just staring facts. Had subsidy gone earlier we would have had more refineries.

No one invests in an industry where there is subsidy..Venezuela had subsidy for years . By 2008 refining capacity was down from 900000 to 100000 bpd. And no this was not because sanctions, it was a process that stated when they were not under us sanctions.

Run things at a loss , problems start
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by arsenal33: 8:25am On Apr 19
reddingtonblack:
DO the calculation on his last stock in and show us how is cashing out

Shebi una get independent marketers, like mobil, total why are those ones selling cheap is it Dangote that hold them

As for the unfortunate being still supporting Tinubu, we hope you go to APC filling station its #300 per litre
your guy also promised to remove fuel subsidy immediately and retain the former price. grin
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Michaelajah: 8:41am On Apr 19
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chopnaira:
Which oil crashed? It is still expensive at my location abroad.

My country of residence has 16 refineries and 4th largest producer of crude oil in the world and petrol has been expensive since the senseless war in Iran.

Infact, I stopped driving my personal car for any work that takes me outside of the city and instead use the company vehicle.
una still dey enjoy pass us in this shit country 😡
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by NtumagburuEleph: 8:43am On Apr 19
[quote author=Malcolm21 post=139138657

But when it's increased it happens so sudden at the local market, is that not double standard[/quote]You don talk finish brotherly
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Eriokanmi: 9:09am On Apr 19
The ones he imported at high prices which are still in stock nko,make he do father Christmas ? This topic would have been sensible, had the FG not deliberately denied him crude supply so that the blending facility in Malta could thrive. Wicked souls at the helms, followed by hungry people. Im sure this is another unintelligible topic from the unintelligible camp
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Neoteny(m): 9:14am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
But when it's increased it happens so sudden at the local market, is that not double standard
Business is weird.

1. If you buy stock and suddenly market price goes up and you sell at your current price instead of the new price, you can't buy new stock because you will lose your margin. So you've to increase your own price immediately (passing on the difference to consumers) so you can buy at the higher price.

2. If you buy at the higher price and then suddenly the market price is lowered, you shouldn't lower your existing stock that you bought at higher price or you'll lose your margin. You have to sell at higher cost until your stock is exhausted, so you buy new stock at lower price and then can sell low.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Jayhome24: 9:15am On Apr 19
He won't crash it due to greed and we have told him if he want to remail Africa Richest man he should be a true Nigeria patriot orelse his camel back will broken.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Parable007: 9:20am On Apr 19
Ask NNPCL stop asking Dangote he's a business man... Ask Emilokan what happend to our refineries?
Why is NNPCL all of a sudden quiet
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Eriokanmi: 9:23am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
But when it's increased it happens so sudden at the local market, is that not double standard
The question you should have asked yourself is, is the FG still giving dangote crude ? If no is your answer, it means the crude he imported when the price was high are not yet exhausted. Untill he finishes it, his price remains high otherwise, he will run at a loss. We have wicked souls at the helms of affairs. If they truly loved Nigerians, they'd not deny dangote crude so deliberately.

Except we just want to mockery of ourselves, dangote has always been the first to reduce pump price before the importing marketers. There was a time the marketers complained of losses . Had the FG not cut the local.crie supply by dangote, petrol importation would have been a thing of the past by now
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by blesdman(m): 9:42am On Apr 19
yemre:
Well, the op is right to a large extent. However, I still wouldn't blame Dangote. He's a business man.

Why is it that, of all the people that have been given the license to build refineries,none of them have started anything?

Dangote could do this freely just because there are no stiff competition from anywhere despite being the 6th largest oil producing country in the world.

Imagine having about 10 other refineries of same magnitude or even bigger, scattered around the country, why would he not comply?

It's not as if we don't have people who have such money to build but the greed and the immediate gain mentality would not allow us do the right thing.

...and as a result, we all bear the consequences of our inactions.
Lafarge, Bua, Mangal are all producing cement yet cement prices keep going up. There is something wrong with Nigeria regulators in cement and petroleum industry. That guy that was blocking Dangote tendencies was blackmailed by Dangote to resign, now he is having a free ride in increasing prices of petroleum products. Using AGO as a case study, before the war when crude oil was 71$ and exchange rate 1400, AGO was 1000#, now that crude oil is just 100$, AGO should not be more than 1400# at same exchange rate; it does not make economic sense at all that AGO is at 1900. Dangote is ripping off the local market regardless of the war.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by dododawa1: 9:42am On Apr 19
DANGOTE is benefiting from the war




because




he has to buy his loan collected from emefile (CBN)
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by dododawa1: 9:44am On Apr 19
DANGOTE



aim




is to become







RICHEST MAN ON EARTH
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by IronCondemned: 9:48am On Apr 19
Read the headlines in the Punch Newspapers posted, it said "To Crash"
It is yet to crash, so when that is done we can then hold Dangote accountable but for now let's be hopeful it will crash.

Meanwhile Iran is still stubborn and Israel is doing press up even though Trump still wants to chicken out
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by yemre: 9:51am On Apr 19
blesdman:
Lafarge, Bua, Mangal are all producing cement yet cement prices keep going up. There is something wrong with Nigeria regulators in cement and petroleum industry. That guy that was blocking Dangote tendencies was blackmailed by Dangote to resign, now he is having a free ride in increasing prices of petroleum products. Using AGO as a case study, before the war when crude oil was 71$ and exchange rate 1400, AGO was 1000#, now that crude oil is just 100$, AGO should not be more than 1400# at same exchange rate; it does not make economic sense at all that AGO is at 1900. Dangote is ripping off the local market regardless of the war.
Very good point bro. BUA, Mangal and even lafarge are relatively unpopular in the market as much as Dangote. That simply means they are not competing enough. This could be in form of marketing, awareness or even product durability and quality. But the leverage remains the lack of stiff competition both in cement and petroleum products.

It's the major reason I would not discourage fuel importation despite having a local refinery because it's not just enough for effective pricing.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by AlphaTaikun: 9:59am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
The price of crude oil has crashed internationally but why has Dangote not reduced the prices of his petroleum products? Because I noticed that when it was increased internationally he immediately increases his price but now that it's dropping why has he not followed suit
The Strait of Hormuz has been closed again.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by yemre: 9:59am On Apr 19
nairalanda1:
no

Subsidy made it difficult for other people to set up refineries back when Dangote was starting his own.

Because of the price controls inherent in subsidy no bank or financial lender would lend money to anyone with a refinery licence. The fact that subsidy was not going to go back then would have made building a refinery high risk

Dangote was able to get loans from the banks and even from CBN because at the end of the day, he had other lucrative businesses and assets. Had he defaulted on his loans because of subsidy price controls limiting his profits potentially, the lender's would have taken over his other businesses and repaid themselves.

That's why subsidy removal back in 2012 or even 1993 would have benefited Nigeria. It would have made lending to refinery licence owners easier because now banks know they would have seen their money back
What a very smart response sir. When I school some of our people on this issue of subsidy removal, most of them call me names, as if they're the only one bearing the consequences of this subsidy removal. I got to know about this subsidy as far back as 2003 when Obasanjo first mulled the idea and I foresaw some positivity in it as someone just coming up because I knew it would get to this.

It's hard tho but there will never be a perfect time.

Now that subsidy is gone and there are no semblance of ever coming back, our rich business moguls should approach their banks, make the bold move and rescue the country. It's a large market and definitely whoever invests in the sector would not regret it.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by tctrills: 10:04am On Apr 19
TEYA:
Is the Straight of Hormuz open? See the Punch newspaper page you posted. Where did you get your information about the price of oil dropping in the internationalarket?
As of today, oil is less than $90 a barrel. It was $115 a week ago.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by bentenny(m): 10:06am On Apr 19
He is a business man.
You can't be dependent on him.
If our own refineries were working and functioning optimally,do you think he would have increased to the current amount in the first place?
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Username2780: 10:12am On Apr 19
brain54:
Because he is a monopolist and an opportunist...
Bros why nah ? You have said it ride on ........
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by GravityDefier: 10:12am On Apr 19
Use this energy to face your Government to open their own refinery.

An individual has done what a Federal Government cannot do
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by anonimi: 10:13am On Apr 19
brain54:
Because he is a monopolist and an opportunist...
How can he be a monopolist when NNPC refineries are there huh

Princecalm:
Jul 29, 2015

The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation has announced that the Port Harcourt and Warri refineries have been successfully re-streamed after a nine-month rehabilitation exercise conducted by its in-house engineers and technicians.

The corporation, in a statement, noted that both plants commenced preliminary production of petroleum products after successful test-runs, adding that while PHRC was ramping up its operation to about 60 per cent of its 210,000 barrels per day capacity, WRPC production was projected to hit 80 per cent of its installed 125,000bpd capacity.

The NNPC said the Port Harcourt refinery was projected to boost the nation’s local refining capacity with a product yield of five million litres of petrol per day, while Warri refinery would contribute 3.5 million litres of petrol.

Providing insight into the rehabilitation exercise, the NNPC noted that it had to adopt the phased rehabilitation strategy after the Original Refinery Builders, who were initially contacted for the project came up with unfavorable terms.

It said, “Though a decision was taken in 2011 to rehabilitate all the refineries using the ORB of each of the refineries, we were impelled to switch strategy after the ORBs declined participation and nominated some partners in their stead who came up with outrageously unfavorable terms.”

The NNPC stated that the nominated partners, as sole-bidders, came up with humongous price offers after two years of thorough and exhaustive scope of work definition and price negotiations.

It added that the proxies were also unwilling to provide post rehabilitation performance guarantees.

The corporation said, “The phased rehabilitation strategy which entailed phased and simultaneous rehabilitation of all the refineries using in-house and locally available resources in line with the spirit and letter of the Nigerian Content Law, also involved the use of Original Equipment Manufacturer representatives to effect major equipment overhaul and rehabilitation.”

The national oil firm said the phased rehabilitation programme, which started in October 2014 after the required funding stream was established, created a 70 per cent reduction in costs which helped largely in mitigating the financing challenges of refinery rehabilitation.

It observed that with the successful re-streaming of the PHRC and WRPC, attention has now moved to the 110,000 barrels per day Kaduna Refining and Petrochemicals Company which was billed to come on stream soon.

http://www.punchng.com/news/pharcourt-warri-refineries-commence-preliminary-operations-nnpc/
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saintopus:
Dec 06, 2024
The PH Refinery ships its first export of petroleum products to Dubai.
The company is expected to load the cargo in the coming days onboard the Wonder Star MR1 ship, signalling the commencement of operations at the plant and the exportation of petroleum products.

The ship will load 15,000 metric tons of the product, which translates to about 13.6 million litres.

Although the volume coming from the NNPC into the global market is still small, the development has the potential to impact the Very Low Sulphur Fuel Oil (VLSFO) benchmarks in the future while changing the market realities for Atlantic Basin exporters into Nigeria and other regions.

The sulfur content of the export by NNPC stands at 0.26 per cent per wt and a 0.918 g/ml density at 15°C, according to Kpler, a data and analysis company.

The cargo was reportedly sold at an $8.50/t discount to the NWE 0.5 per cent benchmark on a Free on Board (FOB) basis.

Kpler reported that the development would help displace imports from traditional suppliers in Africa and Europe, as Nigeria’s falling clean product (CPP) imports are already decreasing, dragging imports into the wider West Africa region lower as well.

https://guardian.ng/energy/nnpc-begins-export-from-ph-refinery-as-dubai-firm-buys-first-cargo/
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Chris225: 10:13am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
But when it's increased it happens so sudden at the local market, is that not double standard
exactly

wickedness if business owners in nigeria need to be studied
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Pacesetter123(m): 10:17am On Apr 19
Nah unah build the refinery for am?
Shebi Jonathan been want remove fuel subsidy to take care of refineries,Bola and co protested against am in 2012 say the policy go bring hardship to Nigerians.

But wen e reach him turn as a president,him remove the same subsidy wey him been protest against and even deceive we the masses say him go use the subsidy money rebuild our 4 refineries within 6 months so we no go dey rely on fuel importation again.

But wen de subsidy money begin enter him hand,he carry am share with governors dey chop nyafunyafu come forget the refineries wey him been want rebuild within 6 months.

Now,unah no fit ask am why we no get functional refinery and why fuel price increase in naija and no fit come down again.
Nah Dangote wey be private capitalist businessman nah him unah go ask for reduction of fuel price like say nah him be unah Presido.

Unah dey madtt wella!!!
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Username2780: 10:18am On Apr 19
yemre:
Very good point bro. BUA, Mangal and even lafarge are relatively unpopular in the market as much as Dangote. That simply means they are not competing enough. This could be in form of marketing, awareness or even product durability and quality. But the leverage remains the lack of stiff competition both in cement and petroleum products.

It's the major reason I would not discourage fuel importation despite having a local refinery because it's not just enough for effective pricing.
Omo Nobody uses Dangote cement like that Again. They are building a massive housing unit near my house and after one year of building they never used Dangote Cement. What may be happening is builders who have years of experience will know which is the best without the hype and advertising and will buy tons of other brands that are just as good, better or cheaper.

Dangote cement will be cement for people building small structures because the owner will lack the experience and go for a " name ".

Dangote Cement is taking a major hit because it's an open market now
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by Username2780: 10:28am On Apr 19
Reference:
After supporting Dangote to undermine the body responsible for superintending over his activities who do you think will have the guts to ask questions.
Shebi your Vice President called him an institution. I warned about removing the safety devices around governance, whether corporate governance or public governance including the Legislature, the unions and in this case the regulators.

Nigerians are not bright at all.
Free market does not translate to free to do as you please particularly if a business is essentially a monopoly. The scrutiny should be even deeper.

Ask the likes of the domineering US tech giants for instance what they see in the hands of American, European and Asian regulators. Power comes with responsibility. More power comes with graver responsibility.

A player like Dangote should have a permanent office close to the National Assembly because the place where the economy of this country is, his company will need to answer questions on a regular basis. It is that important.
When other refinaries come online things will definitely change we saw how MTN and Econet showed us sege before GLO came and saved us..Glo had no choice but to change the game to enter the game. Back then it was only N500, N1,500 recharge cards that you had to use all your credit within one week with zero over lap. Glo gave us N100, N200 and six months airtime validity.
The Refinary Sector will change as more players arrive. The cement sector has changed there are so many players now and they are selling well.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by capish01: 10:30am On Apr 19
Malcolm21:
But when it's increased it happens so sudden at the local market, is that not double standard
Okay, lets imagine youre selling bananas, you have 200 bunches in your stockpile; you hear the transporter saying there was an accident on the way and all the bananas enroute were smushed and therefore destroyed, meaning there will be no bananas for a while. you will react by increasing the price of bananas to 1. adjust to the high demand and low supply of bananas cause its now a more scarce comodity and 2. also increase it to foot the cost of probably sourcing from another vendor which will be more expensive or harder to find. why will you do this, because youdo not want to go out of business selling bananas and you also do not want to incure more cost because your banans were sold cheap and not be able to restock and keep business afloat. Now a few weeks later you hear there is a fresh batch of bananas coming, youre unsure if the same fate will meet the bananas, but you already acquired more bananas at a higher cost or better still you still have a stockpile of bananas but you already sent our people to aquire more at a higher price so you do not run out of stock, meaning youre in a bit of capital deficit at the moment. you know new bananas at a cheaper rate are coming but you also do not want to go into loss by selling the old stock at a cheaper price cause you already are in debt or in deficit from business opperations. would you still sell at the former rate because people want it at that rate or would you wait till the new ones arrie at the cheaper rate then you can restock at the cheaper rate and balance out your deficit... now replace your bananas with crude oil....
the lord is our strength and salvation.
Re: Crude Oil Price Crash: Why Has Dangote Not Reduced His Fuel Prices? by bdon123(m): 10:34am On Apr 19
Becos his current crude was purchased at old price.calm down it will reduce later
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