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Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Fiscus105(m):
paxonel:
I have been saying it, all these men are scammers who exploits ignorance to emass wealth for themselves, why the vast majority of church members go home poor.

They are not working
Keep on having .... over men that have successfully in all ramifications, instead for you to go to them or any other man of God for deliverance from shackles of 9enera-tio₦al pov@rty and bo#dage you find yourself, keep on lamenting until you grow old.

The more you complaining the more their ministry flourishing.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by manuelkel(m): 11:27am On Apr 19
DatIgalaDude:
Unfortunately, he is very correct.
This is a wake up call.
For those rushing to comment, take time to listen to the message.
Honestly, I'm very surprised to see someone actually speaking out on this. I have maintained this idea but when I tell people they think I'm a fool. Christianity has no unification in denomination. The denominational leaders are the ones benefiting while the congregation remain caged by faith.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Jayboiii: 11:34am On Apr 19
Christianity in nigeria is so confused...don't know if its like that in other climes.
You hear ppl say the God of this or that.not Jesus christ..not the father of Jesus.. but the God of a man on earth.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 11:37am On Apr 19
Stephen0mozzy:
Christianity in Nigeria can't have ONE paternal figure - the whole ideology that birthed the Pentecostal Church and others, was to divorce themselves from the hierarchical system of the Catholic Church - what you're asking for is a Nigerian Christian Pope.

Even as denominational fathers, due to CLEARLY DIFFERENT DOCTRINES, these people have influence to put government on their toes, but they are SCARED, MERE MORTALS LIKE THE REST OF US.
Christ Jesus didn't teach His disciples to be scared, neither did he tell them to be economical with the truth.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Iamzik: 11:37am On Apr 19
Onewazobia:
What about Gbile Akanne? For those that knows him, I think he meets all the requisite of a 'father'
And that is why the big churches don't like Gbile Akani. They will never invite him to teach in their churches or conventions. The man speaks truth without respect for persons...

Gbile remains one of the best, if not the best bible teacher of our lifetime because he is not focused on building a denominational brand.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by WatchYourSix: 11:38am On Apr 19
DeepSight:
MaxinDHouse are JWs part of CAN?
U like vawulence …. Bet why??
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by paxonel(m): 11:39am On Apr 19
Fiscus105:
Keep on having .... over men that have successfully in all ramifications,
I make money legitimately, let them go and make legitimate money too
instead for you to go to them or any other man of God for deliverance from shackles of 9enera-tio₦al pov@rty you find yourself keep on til evening.
don't allow them to deceive you o.
Non of them can deliver anybody.
Instead, they are the ones who need deliverance from people.

Now think about this,
If all their church members decides to be on their own without going to them, that means they are poor like that.
So they need people to deliver them from poverty. grin
It's true, I'm not lying

But me, i don't need anyone.
Infact, I am self employed and more than sufficient and very happy and free
The more you complaining the more their ministry flourishing.
its a lie!
It is not anyone's complain that makes them flourish.
They florish because most Nigerians believes in African myths thinking that miracles or juju or witchcraft exist. And that is why they are backward.

Come to Europe and see how pure Christianity is practiced.
No juju
No witchcraft
No ignorance
No exploitation
Pastors like civil servants have their financial activities regulated and there is accountability

This is an ideal society with minimal corruption
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by WatchYourSix: 11:40am On Apr 19
esnbrutality:
While in islam ..

Iranian Muslims hate Saudi Arabia Muslims.

Which Allah do they worship? grin
Once organised religion bcomes more than this three have faith to pray to God and love your neighbour as yourself….there will always be discord
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Timfreds(m): 11:41am On Apr 19
othermen:
What is the number of Christians in Nigeria?

Catholic and Anglican communions, while many others are gathered within Pentecostal bodies. This alone should caution us against seeking a single father defined by jurisdiction over all.

Baba Omolehin measures fatherhood by the breadth of authority.

But his vision does not account for the limits within which all spiritual authority must operate.

No man becomes a father to those who do not receive him.

To ask for a father over all is to overlook this necessary condition of consent and spiritual kinship.

Fatherhood is not diminished by its limits; it is defined by them.

Are we to pretend that the field of what constitutes the church in Nigeria is composed only of the faithful?

There are also those whose lives and teachings Christ tells us to contest.

It would therefore be neither possible nor prudent to speak of one father over all, as though all stood in the same relation of trust and truth.


Then Baba Omolehin also charges them with rivalry.

The building of auditoriums or the acquisition of private jets.

Baba Omolehin read these things as ambition.

But Baba Omolehin, they also could be understood as preparation: a readiness to gather, to move, to extend the reach of ministry?

Ultimately, it is the observer who supplies its meaning, and in this, it is you, Baba, who has inferred rivalry.

The claim that others will bow, that also need not be received in the narrow sense of competition.

Why do you not see an expectation of eventual recognition, however imperfectly expressed?

To fix upon the harshest reading is to close off other, more charitable possibilities.


I love Apostle Paul's letter to the churches. They were critical letters.

There is value in voices that call the Church to reflection, even when they unsettle.

In this, Baba Omolehin performs something akin to the work of the apostles, who wrote not always to comfort, but to correct.

But Paul did not demand of the Church in Corinth or of Rome, what their present structure cannot sustain, or reduced their complex realities to a single motive.

Such a task requires a careful hand. For correction, if it is to build rather than diminish, it must be guided by charity, proportion, and truth.

May the love of Christ remain with His Church, and guide all who speak concerning it.
Brother, thank you. You said it all in exquisite lyrics
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Wickedtruths: 11:47am On Apr 19
lightwind:
Catholic Church stands out Worldwide.
Stop arguing and talking nubish
This madness you are displaying is a symptom of what I'm talking about.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by WatchYourSix: 11:49am On Apr 19
paxonel:
Come to Europe and see how pure Christianity is practiced.
No juju
No witchcraft
No ignorance
No exploitation
Pastors like civil servants have their financial activities are regulated.

This is an ifeal society will minimal corruption
Some of the biggest and riches churches in the world are owned by non Africans… Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Joel Oesteem, and even Yonggi cho in South Korea where they Christianity isnt even Popular…so why do yall keep saying Nigerian churches are rich and big becos pastors lie and because juju is popular??
. The truth is Humans are drawn to the beleive of God…. Even before churches became a thing… its not an African thing
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by DeOTR: 11:56am On Apr 19
adenigga:
Source: https://punchng.com/adeboye-kumuyi-olukoya-are-denominational-heads-not-fathers-of-nigerian-church-cleric-says

Why would any pastor even assume a fatherly role when he's not God? We have only one father and He's God Almighty. Stop making gods out of these charlatans.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by paxonel(m): 12:01pm On Apr 19
WatchYourSix:
Some of the biggest and riches churches in the world are owned by non Africans… Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Joel Oesteem, and even Yonggi cho in South Korea where they Christianity isnt even Popular…so why do yall keep saying Nigerian churches are rich and big becos pastors lie and because juju is popular??
. The truth is Humans are drawn to the beleive of God…. Even before churches became a thing… its not an African thing
Exactly!
That's why today, Europeans and other developed Christian nations have understood these fact that people are drawn to myths natural.
So to avoid exploitation of the people, they create laws to regulate especially the financial activities of their pastors.

But here in Africa, we live in a lawless society.
And these pastors have taken advantage of our lawless society to exploit the people and enrich themselves.
That's why they hardly condemn politicans for exploiting the people too
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 12:02pm On Apr 19
femi4:
They are father of their denominations

Infact kumuyi believed that only deeperlifers will make heaven
You heard him say that or you're in his thought to know what he believes without him saying it?!!!
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 12:02pm On Apr 19
simpleseyi:
.
Peter Obi started this enemity between Catholic and Anglican in Anambra
Some people will not like this comment oOoOoo.....
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Stephen0mozzy: 12:04pm On Apr 19
bixton:
Christ Jesus didn't teach His disciples to be scared, neither did he tell them to be economical with the truth.
Well, they're scared to lose the luxuries and riches that they have gathered here where moths can destroy and it means a lot to them.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by DeOTR: 12:04pm On Apr 19
Lukuluku69:
But Christ says >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven," is a teaching where Jesus warns against hypocritical, prideful, or absolute spiritual authority. It emphasizes that God is the ultimate source of all fatherhood and authority.
Anyone who sees this one would think he believes in the fatherhood of God Almighty.
It's people that call their religious leaders Pope, Papa, Father, Reverend and General Overseer titles that should only be reserved for God in religious context) that I blame.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 12:05pm On Apr 19
HelipsTech:
This man is pained, he was supposed to be among those men, but they left him behind, hence the outburst, every time.

Ok let's assume the men he mentioned has failed, what has he done in respect to a paternal figure of Nigerian Christian.

Does he look out for other denomination?
Aside attacking every respected father of faith or denomination as he calls it, has he ever spoken about the atrocities of this regime and the religious/ethnic ginocIde?

Something da vex this man
How did they leave him behind!!!!!
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 12:07pm On Apr 19
Patiks:
Don't mind these teachers who are more interested in the doctrines of men/society than the clearly laid down Biblical doctrines.

That's how they will be shaming themselves (not us) by exposing their emptiness.

Even Apostle Paul warned the early Christians who where leaning towards such ideology by claiming loyalty to Paul or Apollos.

Nobody will be looking for a universal spiritual father in CHRISTIANITY, If only today's Christians will understand, according to Apostle Paul in Romans 10:14 (MSG Version),: "...:Eventually, we’re all going to end up kneeling side by side in the place of judgment, facing God..."

The "we're" includes the Apostle Paul himself. So, I wonder why we need a universal Nigerian Christianity father. I strongly doubt it if there's any of such by the early Christians.
You probably didn't understand what he is trying to speak...
I'm not even surprised that he left CAN/PFN out of the entire comment if this is the complete one.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by bixton(m): 12:10pm On Apr 19
Stephen0mozzy:
Well, they're scared to lose the luxuries and riches that they have gathered here where moths can destroy and it means a lot to them.
Well, let's just hope everyone's salvation is still intact awaiting the Masters return.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by tesseract: 12:18pm On Apr 19
Antoeni:
The Catholic Church stands Out
Please shut up.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Nwaikpe: 12:20pm On Apr 19
Basicend:
Daddy Omolehin,

You are also a father of faith. Take responsibility too sir.

You are supposed to use seasoned wisdom to gather and grow the fledgling flock at this age. Do it with gunuine humility and prayers and God may decide to help us and not by flesh.

I was under your ministeration for many years. I was under Baba Adeboye's ministration too. No man is perfect, no man at all.

I don't want to say more than that. Because the new stones are made to see the works of patriachs before them, esp those they have come across, even from the spirit.

May God have mercy everyone.
What is the meaning of "father of faith"

The man himself debunked such attributions.
But what do you mean by it?
What makes him a father of faith, and why aren't other pastors?
Because he has a large followership?
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by orikoku: 12:22pm On Apr 19
Everyone should go back to what they do in their respective families, all these so call men of god are scammers, they can't see nothing, they only predict, how can you say body of Christ and you all have different doctrines. Is that not confusion? Foreign religions are even sin in the bible.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Onewazobia(m): 12:25pm On Apr 19
Lukuluku69:
But Christ says >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven," is a teaching where Jesus warns against hypocritical, prideful, or absolute spiritual authority. It emphasizes that God is the ultimate source of all fatherhood and authority.
You have no lots here
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:32pm On Apr 19
DeepSight:
MaxinDHouse are JWs part of CAN?
Why not answer the question i asked before asking me another question?

Do you think all those men are worshiping the same God?
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Lukuluku69(m): 12:34pm On Apr 19
DeOTR:
Anyone who sees this one would think he believes in the fatherhood of God Almighty.
It's people that call their religious leaders Pope, Papa, Father, Reverend and General Overseer titles that should only be reserved for God in religious context) that I blame.
God is the Creator of ALL metaphorically He is FATHER to ALL. But "Fathehood in the sense of the animal conception is not good thinking and subject to misinterpretation from mortals.

God "begat" som other people in your Bible too.

As for those who calll their Leaders with special names and those who call their Pastors " Father" they fo against the very teaching of Jesus when he said >>>>>>>>> Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven," is a teaching where Jesus warns against hypocritical

Spend more of your time to correct this amongst your brethren.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Lukuluku69(m): 12:35pm On Apr 19
Onewazobia:
You have no lots here
Lol

This is a Public Forum Padre.....
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by israelmao(m):
Some of these God's Generals mentioned hardly blow their trumpets for worthy causes they have charted for the christian community both locally and internationally.They are not noisemakers but newsmakers.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by lightwind(m): 12:58pm On Apr 19
Wickedtruths:
This madness you are displaying is a symptom of what I'm talking about.
Name the churches you think stands out among around the world, and stop the madness.


You want to talk about Pastorpreneurs of Nigeria and around the world.😐
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Patiks: 12:59pm On Apr 19
bixton:
You probably didn't understand what he is trying to speak...
I'm not even surprised that he left CAN/PFN out of the entire comment if this is the complete one.
Please, make me understand.
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by Patiks: 1:02pm On Apr 19
MaxInDHouse:
Why not answer the question i asked before asking me another question?

Do you think all those men are worshiping the same God?
Hmmm!! Deep!
Re: Omolehin: Adeboye, Kumuyi, Olukoya Are Denominational Heads, Not Fathers Of .... by olabrad: 1:04pm On Apr 19
thesolutions:
Denominational fathers are still fathers. There is a unifying body known as Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN). They have made statements just like our legislators are making statements regarding the security situation in the country. But their statements can be bought just like those of the politicians can be bought too.

Is is statements that solves security challenges? But if a respected father, be it denominational father or any religious father, makes statements, the state forces will act on those statements to show him they are on top of the matter.

But when respect for these fathers have gone to the dogs, the best they can do is give examples of countries that are getting it right so as not to step on toes of vindictive government and self centred citizens
They are fathers to their church members, not me
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