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Realguyman1:
Unlike Nigeria, just the way the civil rule brought insurgency to Nigeria, that's how they brought it to Mali and other African countries suffering from insurgency today.

The insurgency in Africa today has gone beyond being a military government or a civilian government and we all know it's the politicians that are causing it, why the civilian government enabled them because most of the government officials are also part of them.

If the military guys of those days like one of Sani Abacha were still in power, there wouldn't have be any room for insurgency in the first place talk less of fighting against it.

Yep, and ultimately, the problem with Africa, south of the sahara, is that when a government does not run a productive economy based on tech, and innovaiton and industries that export, this is the result.

Also, bringing in army to Nigeria won't make matters better, even bringing back an Abacha. Abacha himself is part of the problem .....no significant changes in the way the economy was run WHEN he was in charge...which contributed to the steady decline in our economy since independence. And people were suffering under his rule, same way we have suffering under tinubu today.

RodgersAkpafu:
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to answer your question..

YES

Then you think that africans are drones that cannot do anything without white control, and yes, that includes YOU.

nairalanda1:
Yep, and ultimately, the problem with Africa, south of the sahara, is that when a government does not run a productive economy based on tech, and innovaiton and industries that export, this is the result.

Also, bringing in army to Nigeria won't make matters better, even bringing back an Abacha. Abacha himself is part of the problem .....no significant changes in the way the economy was run WHEN he was in charge...which contributed to the steady decline in our economy since independence. And people were suffering under his rule, same way we have suffering under tinubu today.

Like I said b4, what is happening in Africa today has gone beyond wether military government or civilian government. Even if u bring back Abacha today in Nigeria, nothing will still change unless he is ready to kill most percent of the politicians, elder statesmen and top commanders in the security agencies especially from the north.

The suffering in Nigerians especially for common Nigerians has always be there, the only difference today is that the civilian government have add to the suffering by x10 or even more without any meaningful impacts to the people and still add serious insecurity to it for Nigerians (especially common Nigerians) to be killed like animals on top the suffering they have put them.

The difference today between the military government and the civilian government is that the military government even without any reasonable development to the country were able not to multiply the suffering of the of the people at a go and as well gave the people security. But the civilian government only came to multiply the suffering of the people by x10 or even more than at a go without any reasonable development to the country and as well gave the people serious insecurity for them to be killed like animals.

The Ideology of all this extremism and other kinds of insecurities that's troubling the country today has always be there after Nigeria gained independence, the only difference then was that the military regimes were able to use force to suppress those ideologies without caring about the life's that will go for it. And that has been the peace Nigeria has been enjoying all this while until civilian government came and give them the room and power to carryout their agendas.

Realguyman1:
Unlike I said b4, what is happening in Africa has gone beyond weather military government or civilian government. Even if u bring back Abacha today in Nigeria, nothing will still change unless he is ready to kill most percent of the politicians, elder statesmen and top commanders in the security agencies especially from the north.

The suffering in Nigerians especially common Nigerians has always be there, the only difference today is that the civilian government have add to the suffering by x10 or even more without any meaningful impacts to the people and still add serious insecurity to it for Nigerians (especially common Nigerians) to be killed like animals on top the suffering they have put them.

The Ideology of all this extremism and other kinds of insecurities that's troubling the country today has always be there after Nigeria gained independence, the only difference then was that the military regimes were able to use force to suppress those ideologies without caring about the life's that will go for it. And that has been the peace Nigeria has been enjoying all this while until civilian government came and give them the room and power to carryout their agendas.

If you want to end 'suffering' in NIgeria, you got to build a productive , industrial economy

But, to be honest, most Nigerians (and dare I say, most Africans), want government to share money to them. They do not want government to do things like making the economy attractive for investment, or funding more vocational and technical education, and so forth, because it would impede sharing of money.

And that leads to crap economies, and crap socieites.

Life under Army was not as idealistic as you think it was. Armed robbery, tribal crisis, economic stagnation, etc. ..all common under army rule. It's worse now because the population has grown larger and because we are now seeing the end result of decades of poor rule. Not because 'civillians'.

nairalanda1:
If you want to end 'suffering' in NIgeria, you got to build a productive , industrial economy

But, to be honest, most Nigerians (and dare I say, most Africans), want government to share money to them. They do not want government to do things like making the economy attractive for investment, or funding more vocational and technical education, and so forth, because it would impede sharing of money.

And that leads to crap economies, and crap socieites.

Life under Army was not as idealistic as you think it was. Armed robbery, tribal crisis, economic stagnation, etc. ..all common under army rule. It's worse now because the population has grown larger and because we are now seeing the end result of decades of poor rule. Not because 'civillians'.

At the bolded, yes there were armed robberies during the military regimes, but they were trialed and killed as soon as they were been caught unlike the unseriois civilian government we have today that are even pampering terrorists talk less of armed robbers.

Talking about population, most countries in other parts of the world has also grown rapidly in terms of population in the past years but they are not troubled by the high rate of insecurities Nigeria is suffering from today

Increase in pulation is not an excuse for the insecurities in Nigeria today because the population has been growing rapidly all through the military regimes down to the present civilian rule. It is the unseriousness of the civilian government that gave room for the insecurity we are suffering today.

nairalanda1:
US and west prefer a peaceful and productive Africa to a violent one

Dead people can't buy imported goods and dead people cannot mine raw materials.cheaply and dead people cannot provide cheaper labour for finished goods for export

US and Europe are not fond of Asians either, yet China, Korea and Japan and peaceful. Because it benefits the world and the USA in particular


As an example., if peace reigns in the dr Congo and stability and good governance reigns there , the price of phones and many electronics would be cheaper by far. Because a lot of the raw materials for your phone and computer electronics are mined in the Congo and the instability in the area makes the price of the raw materials produced there rise and rise.

Same issue in places like Sudan and South Sudan. Peace there is vital to oil prices staying low. Apart from the strait of Hormuz.

The West prefers peaceful stable countries. Again. dead people don't trade or buy things. Refugees can't earn money to buy stuff or organise lines of supply or even mine for stuff effectively
You better stop blaming the whites for your problems caused by leaders who prefer sharing money to actual development

you answered yourself in your comment " Dead people can't buy imported goods and dead people cannot mine raw materials.cheaply and dead people cannot provide cheaper labour for finished goods for export " and other comments....

dead people cannot do those things BUT people in peaceful and productive stable countries will also not do those things simply because they are stable which means

-- they will not import goods because they will now have the peace and stability to produce their own goods

-- they will not need to mine raw materials to export because they will now have the peace and stability to build their own processing facilities to convert the raw materials and store the excess

-- they will not be cheap labor anymore since they now have the peace and stability to do it themselves they will demand higher wages

-- if peace reigns in the dr Congo they will now have the stability to demand higher prices for their raw materials which will lead to higher phone and computer electronics prices

-- if Black African countries are peaceful and stable they will not need to trade or even interact with the E:U or U:S or any other continent because they will trade with each other which will lead to the E:U or U:S losing billions of dollars

you don't understand how economics and economies work...

NaijaRealtor ARISHEM Cmeo cucumbar Realguyman1 are right...

codemaniacs:
you answered yourself in your comment " Dead people can't buy imported goods and dead people cannot mine raw materials.cheaply and dead people cannot provide cheaper labour for finished goods for export " and other comments....

dead people cannot do those things BUT people in peaceful and productive stable countries will also not do those things simply because they are stable which means

-- they will not import goods because they will now have the peace and stability to produce their own goods

-- they will not need to mine raw materials to export because they will now have the peace and stability to build their own processing facilities to convert the raw materials and store the excess

-- they will not be cheap labor anymore since they now have the peace and stability to do it themselves they will demand higher wages

-- if peace reigns in the dr Congo they will now have the stability to demand higher prices for their raw materials which will lead to higher phone and computer electronics prices

-- if Black African countries are peaceful and stable they will not need to trade or even interact with the E:U or U:S or any other continent because they will trade with each other which will lead to the E:U or U:S losing billions of dollars

you don't understand how economics and economies work...

NaijaRealtor ARISHEM Cmeo cucumbar Realguyman1 are right...

No, you are wrong

A working prosperous Africa benefits the West more than a.crisis ridden one.

Dead and refugees don't make a working prosperous nation.

Plus a prosperous nation will produce stuff for export and trade with other nations. No country is an island. Even first world nations import from other Nations. Apple of the USA has a lot of customers in Europe and China and Japan. for example. Toyota does a lot of business in the Americas

You and your friends are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing

Plus i am not saying Africa is ok, I am arguing against the point that the West destabilises Africa for the sake of some plot

P.S: Cucumbar has some form of irrtnl hate for me to the point that if I call him a handsome man, he will say that I am lying.

Realguyman1:
At the bolded, yes there were armed robberies during the military regimes, but they were trialed and killed as soon as they were been caught unlike the unseriois civilian government we have today that are even pampering terrorists talk less of armed robbers.

Talking about population, most countries in other parts of the world has also grown rapidly in terms of population in the past years but they are not troubled by the high rate of insecurities Nigeria is suffering from today

Increase in pulation is not an excuse for the insecurities in Nigeria today because the population has been growing rapidly all through the military regimes down to the present civilian rule. It is the unseriousness of the civilian government that gave room for the insecurity we are suffering today.

You never lived under army rule.

If you did, you will see that nothing has changed since independence. The sheet remains the same , whoever is in charge

DeepSight:
Watchtower Society, we salute

That's a compliment to Watchtower but I am not even a member.

Someone with both common sense and the spirit of discernment/insight will figure that out quickly.

Even Human Right Activists like Lucky Dube, Fela Anikulapo, etc. figured that out easily without being members of any church organization. It's common sense!

As yourself, what caused the previous World Wars?

Patiks:
That's a compliment to Watchtower but I am not even a member.

Someone with both common sense and the spirit of discernment/insight will figure that out quickly.

Even Human Right Activists like Lucky Dube, Fela Anikulapo, etc. figured that out easily without being members of any church organization. It's common sense!

As yourself, what caused the previous World Wars?

Well the opinion you expressed is a mainstay of Jehovah's Witnesses. That humans are incapable of self government.

If we are to have the Government of God, it will be important to agree on the nature, dictates, rules and values of that God, which is almost impossible.

Of course the wars were caused by men but remember that the nature of these men was established by whoever created them and that entity or force must needs be complicit in all that men do.

DeepSight:
Well the opinion you expressed is a mainstay of Jehovah's Witnesses. That humans are incapable of self government.

If we are to have the Government of God, it will be important to agree on the nature, dictates, rules and values of that God, which is almost impossible.

Of course the wars were caused by men but remember that the nature of these men was established by whoever created them and that entity or force must needs be complicit in all that men do.

we do have an example the government of God

it is called Sharia - which has evangelical conservative Christians alternatively shiting their pants while simultaneously thinking - how do we adopt this?

GloriousGbola:
we do have an example the government of God

it is called Sharia - which has evangelical conservative Christians alternatively shiting their pants while simultaneously thinking - how do we adopt this?

Are you a Muslim?

DeepSight:
Are you a Muslim?

yes i am

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Tuareg separatist forces (FLA) have captured the Governor’s Palace in Kidal after taking the city during today’s joint nationwide attacks with Al-Qaeda in Mali (JNIM) against the military junta and its Russian allies.

It has a population of 25 000 & is the capital of the Tuaregs pic.twitter.com/bPVyUUOWXs

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 25, 2026

will be shouting Allah Akbar and Muhammed, but some useful idiots will say they are not Muslims and they are not fighting for Allah and Islam.

Israeli treatment is the best antidote for Islamic terrorists and terrorism.

GloriousGbola:
yes i am

Cool. I have a Quran and like studying it. One of its most potent verses always comes to mind -

"We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone. [And We are able] to replace you with others like you and to produce you in [forms] that you do not know."

— Surah Al-Waqi'ah (56:60–61)

This verse helps me stay grounded when I contemplate the mystery and anxiety of death, which is almost everyday.

The Quran is melodious and poetic and poignant in many ways.

However I personally cannot accept the idea of government being established through religion for the simple reason that its such a subjective thing. Its way too personal to be applied to everyone in a society.

DeepSight:
Cool. I have a Quran and like studying it. One of its most potent verses always comes to mind -

"We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone. [And We are able] to replace you with others like you and to produce you in [forms] that you do not know."

— Surah Al-Waqi'ah (56:60–61)

This verse helps me stay grounded when I contemplate the mystery and anxiety of death, which is almost everyday.

The Quran is melodious and poetic and poignant in many ways.

However I personally cannot accept the idea of government being established through religion for the simple reason that its such a subjective thing. Its way too personal to be applied to everyone in a society.

we are saying the same thing

i am NOT in agreement with Sharia law in a pluralistic society . however conservative christians will protest sharia while simultaneously looking for how to establish christian based laws - which is what we are seeing more and more in the us

it is the same principle - religion is a great tool for manipulating a single issue electorate. the same christians who complain about sharia have no problem with laws against gays or abortion.

GloriousGbola:
we are saying the same thing

i am NOT in agreement with Sharia law in a pluralistic society . however conservative christians will protest sharia while simultaneously looking for how to establish christian based laws - which is what we are seeing more and more in the us

it is the same principle - religion is a great tool for manipulating a single issue electorate. the same christians who complain about sharia have no problem with laws against gays or abortion.

Well said.

nairalanda1:
No, you are wrong

A working prosperous Africa benefits the West more than a.crisis ridden one.

Dead and refugees don't make a working prosperous nation.

Plus a prosperous nation will produce stuff for export and trade with other nations. No country is an island. Even first world nations import from other Nations. Apple of the USA has a lot of customers in Europe and China and Japan. for example. Toyota does a lot of business in the Americas

You and your friends are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing

Plus i am not saying Africa is ok, I am arguing against the point that the West destabilises Africa for the sake of some plot

P.S: Cucumbar has some form of irrtnl hate for me to the point that if I call him a handsome man, he will say that I am lying.

you are making the same mistake again because you don't have the balls to accept that you are wrong...

A prosperous Black Africa will produce stuff for export and make money and no longer need loans from the W:B and i:m:f which means U:S E:U cannot have leverage over Black Africa anymore and will eventually lead to the decline of the economies in the E:U and U:S.

codemaniacs:
you are making the same mistake again because you don't have the balls to accept that you are wrong...

A prosperous Black Africa will produce stuff for export and make money and no longer need loans from the W:B and i:m:f which means U:S E:U cannot have leverage over Black Africa anymore and will eventually lead to the decline of the economies in the E:U and U:S.

You should know that the World Bank and IMF want us to stop taking loans, as do Europe and USA. They all do..their people are grumbling about how their governments are throwing away billions of dollars on the poor people of Africa. The far left complains of loan dependency in poor countries stifling devleiopment, the far right complains that government can spend billions on people oversease, rather than spend billions at home taking care of poor citizens of the US and EU.

And yes, being a rich productive nation doesn't stop imports. China, Korea, Japan and the EU and USA...both export and improt from each other. NO nation is an island.

Better stop all these conspiracy theories. You guys should stop supporting governments in Africa that share money...which is why we have a tinubu ruling over us in the first place.

nairalanda1:
You never lived under army rule.

If you did, you will see that nothing has changed since independence. The sheet remains the same , whoever is in charge

Oga I lived under Army rule and I know it was far more better than what we have today. Moreover it was u who was trying to paint the military regimes black because of what is happening in Mali today, whereas u know very well that nothing has changed even despite power be handled to the civilians for the past 27yrs now.

The politicians and the media especially the foreign media were the ones spreading propagandas that the military government were the ones holding Nigeria development all the time the military guys were in power. But today, the civilians has now had straight uninterrupted 27yrs in power without any meaningful to show for and has even takes the country more backward compared to were the military regimes left it.

nairalanda1:
You should know that the World Bank and IMF want us to stop taking loans, as do Europe and USA. They all do..their people are grumbling about how their governments are throwing away billions of dollars on the poor people of Africa. The far left complains of loan dependency in poor countries stifling devleiopment, the far right complains that government can spend billions on people oversease, rather than spend billions at home taking care of poor citizens of the US and EU.

And yes, being a rich productive nation doesn't stop imports. China, Korea, Japan and the EU and USA...both export and improt from each other. NO nation is an island.

Better stop all these conspiracy theories. You guys should stop supporting governments in Africa that share money...which is why we have a tinubu ruling over us in the first place.

Nope..

Productive black African countries means the only things Africa will import will be tiny because everything a black African needs is already in the continent of Africa so there will be zero need to import from E:U or U:S unless that black African wants to import cars or phones or airplanes that's if black Africans are not producing their own phones, cars or airplanes.

zinubu is a sell out put in the president position by the E:U and U:S that is why he is signing deals with f:rance, e:ngland and the E:U and U:S... which is also why he sanctioned Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger..

Realguyman1:
Oga I lived under Army rule and I know it was far more better than what we have today. Moreover it was u who was trying to paint the military regimes black because of what is happening in Mali today, whereas u know very well that nothing has changed even despite power be handled to the civilians for the past 27yrs now.

The politicians and the media especially the foreign media were the ones spreading propagandas that the military government were the ones holding Nigeria development all the time the military guys were in power. But today, the civilians has now had straight uninterrupted 27yrs in power without any meaningful to show for and has even takes the country more backward compared to were the military regimes left it.

You never lived under army rule.

And you don't know what good governance is.

codemaniacs:
Nope..

Productive black African countries means the only things Africa will import will be tiny because everything a black African needs is already in the continent of Africa so there will be zero need to import from E:U or U:S unless that black African wants to import cars or phones or airplanes that's if black Africans are not producing their own phones, cars or airplanes.

zinubu is a sell out put in the president position by the E:U and U:S that is why he is signing deals with f:rance, e:ngland and the E:U and U:S... which is also why he sanctioned Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger..

Lol, it's like you don't know how the global economy works.

nairalanda1 stop hiding comments...

if you are not the one hiding comments then i hope you can now see that the Nigerian cyber space has been captured by the people you are defending and they don't want the people you are abusing to read my comments because i am saying the truth...

if not you can keep deceiving yourself

nairalanda1:
US and west prefer a peaceful and productive Africa to a violent one

Dead people can't buy imported goods and dead people cannot mine raw materials.cheaply and dead people cannot provide cheaper labour for finished goods for export

US and Europe are not fond of Asians either, yet China, Korea and Japan and peaceful. Because it benefits the world and the USA in particular


As an example., if peace reigns in the dr Congo and stability and good governance reigns there , the price of phones and many electronics would be cheaper by far. Because a lot of the raw materials for your phone and computer electronics are mined in the Congo and the instability in the area makes the price of the raw materials produced there rise and rise.

Same issue in places like Sudan and South Sudan. Peace there is vital to oil prices staying low. Apart from the strait of Hormuz.

The West prefers peaceful stable countries. Again. dead people don't trade or buy things. Refugees can't earn money to buy stuff or organise lines of supply or even mine for stuff effectively
You better stop blaming the whites for your problems caused by leaders who prefer sharing money to actual development

There are lots of cases whereby the need those instabilities to get to the resources so it's not exactly how you think it is....🥱.
Not to mention more than one foreign country having an interest in the natural resources of a particular country....each of them could arm different militias to protect their own interest.

Fulanis

DeepSight:
Well the opinion you expressed is a mainstay of Jehovah's Witnesses. That humans are incapable of self government.

If we are to have the Government of God, it will be important to agree on the nature, dictates, rules and values of that God, which is almost impossible.

Of course the wars were caused by men but remember that the nature of these men was established by whoever created them and [b]that entity or force [/b]must needs be complicit in all that men do.

When I said God, I meant God, the Only One God in the Bible. I don't know of any other because if they are more than one, then they have lost the criteria for being a God. What many attribute godship to are demons.

I'm not confused about God's attributes or capabilities or sovereignty. His attributes and principles in the Bible clearly show that they made to bring world unity and peace.
"Love your neighbour as yourself."
"Do unto others what you want to be done to you "

Anytime, the Biblical God went to war, it was to put wicked nations in their places after several warnings.

Patiks:
When I said God, I meant God, the Only One God in the Bible. I don't know of any other because if they are more than one, then they have lost the criteria for being a God. What many attribute godship to are demons.

I'm not confused about God's attributes or capabilities or sovereignty. His attributes and principles in the Bible clearly show that they made to bring world unity and peace.
"Love your neighbour as yourself."
"Do unto others what you want to be done to you "

Anytime, the Biblical God went to war, it was to put wicked nations in their places after several warnings.

Either you have never read the Old Testament or you read a perfumed copy with tinted glasses.

Mattswaggz:
There are lots of cases whereby the need those instabilities to get to the resources so it's not exactly how you think it is....🥱.
Not to mention more than one foreign country having an interest in the natural resources of a particular country....each of them could arm different militias to protect their own interest.

Instability only means increased prices and increased instability

Also, an unstable country cannot buy western products and goods. Refugees don't have the type of disposable income to buy an apple iPhone

A peaceful and prosperous Africa is in the west best interest

nairalanda1:
Instability only means increased prices and increased instability

Also, an unstable country cannot buy western products and goods. Refugees don't have the type of disposable income to buy an apple iPhone

A peaceful and prosperous Africa is in the west best interest

In as much as I am not a fan of blaming the west entirely for African woes, I still maintain the stand that they're taking advantage of the average black man's weaknesses and setting seeds of discord to get resources cheap/free....a peaceful and prosperous African is on Africa's best interest....a divided and confused one is on the interest of the wolves always looking for an opportunity to tear her apart.....heard of gadaffi?.

Mattswaggz:
In as much as I am not a fan of blaming the west entirely for African woes, I still maintain the stand that they're taking advantage of the average black man's weaknesses and setting seeds of discord to get resources cheap/free....a peaceful and prosperous African is on Africa's best interest....a divided and confused one is on the interest of the wolves always looking for an opportunity to tear her apart.....heard of gadaffi?.

1. Resources are cheaper in an era of lack of strife. No need to bribe millitias and bribe warloards and transporting the resources are far far easier

2. Ghadaffy brought his problems on himself. And anyway, Libya issues didn't bring down oil prices in 2012. On the contrary they stayed high for another two years. See the Hormuz issue. Crisis always leads to higher prices of resources

DeepSight:
Either you have never read the Old Testament or you read a perfumed copy with tinted glasses.

Show me one example in the Old Testament where God backed a war that was based on injustice.

So much for your reading the Old Testament with crystal ball that's filled with murky waters of bias and self-righteousness.