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Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by OCTAVO: 9:26pm On Apr 19
dollarnaira:
It is a good buy bro.
100ah cells only cost roughly between 200 and 240k. Here you got cells, terminals, smart bms and casing. It is a fantastic buy sir. 4ah short is not a critical worry...
Okay, thanks for your input. I'm not worried actually, I just wanted to drop a little review to help intending buyers. I'm okay with the batteries. It's a fair deal.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by saint2ace(m): 8:35am On Apr 20
OCTAVO:
My impression of Henry LiFePo4 Lithium battery.
I bought 3pcs of 24v-100ah. To my utmost surprise, when I checked the capacity on their BMS app, I can see that the cells of each battery unit is not up to 100ah.
100ah battery should show full 100ah or 100,000mah. Infact, some brands will give you 103ah for 100ah.
It's either they sold used cells which are grade B, or the cells are new grade A but not complete.
You can see the screenshot from the BMS app below:
First battery's full capacity is 96,210mah (96.21ah)
Second battery's full capacity is 97,010mah (97.01ah)
Third battery's full capacity is 99,630mah (99.63ah)
If you don't mind the disparity, then you can buy from them.
Nice one, this shows that we're becoming more aware of the thongs we buy and suppliers now know we can hold them accountable for products and services offered.
However, when it comes to batteries, especially lithium batteries paired with smart BMS the story might be tricky, this is because the readings as you have shown in the screenshot is directly related to the settings in the parameters. For dumb BMS's upper parameters are always set at 3.65v per cell which is 100% while the lower parameters are set at 2.5v per cell which is 0%, for smart BMS's the story is different as one can easily change this parameters to meet varying needs, producers/suppliers have been known to edit this settings to about 80% - 90% to extend battery life; am almost sure that's the case here.
Do us a favor and share the parameter settings on each battery so as to enable us confirm for sure that it was set for conservative use. Cheers.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by OCTAVO: 11:20am On Apr 20
saint2ace:
Nice one, this shows that we're becoming more aware of the thongs we buy and suppliers now know we can hold them accountable for products and services offered.
However, when it comes to batteries, especially lithium batteries paired with smart BMS the story might be tricky, this is because the readings as you have shown in the screenshot is directly related to the settings in the parameters. For dumb BMS's upper parameters are always set at 3.65v per cell which is 100% while the lower parameters are set at 2.5v per cell which is 0%, for smart BMS's the story is different as one can easily change this parameters to meet varying needs, producers/suppliers have been known to edit this settings to about 80% - 90% to extend battery life; am almost sure that's the case here.
Do us a favor and share the parameter settings on each battery so as to enable us confirm for sure that it was set for conservative use. Cheers.
Okay, screenshot attached.
1. Cell Overvoltage
2. Pack Overvoltage
3. Cell undervoltage
4. Pack under voltage

The undervoltage protection is 2.8v

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Pbaelish(m): 7:53pm On Apr 21
dollarnaira:
1 set of 400w cannot charge 4kwh in a day.
Some 12v hybrid begin from 20v to 450v.
Everything is dependent on your daily loads.

I don't use hybrid. I make use of modular set up-
Cc and satchet inverters. Don't follow my course, my ways are unconventional.
Thank you.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ajabani4allah(m): 10:18pm On Apr 23
OCTAVO:
Okay, screenshot attached.
1. Cell Overvoltage
2. Pack Overvoltage
3. Cell undervoltage
4. Pack under voltage

The undervoltage protection is 2.8v
Cell UV values have been misplaced, the 2.7v should be for UV Alarm while the 2.5v should be for UV Protection and the 2.8v for UV Protection Release. This should be the reason why you are not getting the complete 100Ah but remember that this overall setting is an overstressed setting, it's equivalent to discharging and charging your battery from 100% to 0% and from 0% to 100% respectively everytime. This will degrade your battery and reduce its life cycle
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ChngedChnges(m): 6:32am On Apr 24
ajabani4allah:
Cell UV values have been misplaced, the 2.7v should be for UV Alarm while the 2.5v should be for UV Protection and the 2.8v for UV Protection Release. This should be the reason why you are not getting the complete 100Ah but remember that this overall setting is an overstressed setting, it's equivalent to discharging and charging your battery from 100% to 0% and from 0% to 100% respectively everytime. This will degrade your battery and reduce its life cycle
Age degrade lifePO4 faster than depth of discharge. Many experiments have shown that. I can give you some links if you think otherwise. DoD is only significant for lithium ion batteries not lifePO4
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by vanchi(m): 7:39am On Apr 24
tetralogyfallot:
Reconfigured to 12v for another nairalander.
This is 120Ah, 1.5kwh lifepo4 pack.
How much does this configuration cost
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by vanchi(m): 7:41am On Apr 24
ChngedChnges:
Just get from valto. Check his jiji page. That's the only sure source with actual capacity I've seen so far
Link
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Valto(m):
vanchi:
Link
13k only. real capacity 3.2v 25ah lifepo4 lithium battery cells with capacity test results . complete busbars & nuts included

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ajabani4allah(m): 11:39am On Apr 24
ChngedChnges:
Age degrade lifePO4 faster than depth of discharge. Many experiments have shown that. I can give you some links if you think otherwise. DoD is only significant for lithium ion batteries not lifePO4
Are you saying that discharging lifepo4 down to 2.5v everytime will not have significant effect on its degradation?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by iraybuju: 10:08pm On Apr 24
ajabani4allah:
Are you saying that discharging lifepo4 down to 2.5v everytime will not have significant effect on its degradation?
That’s story for the gods oh, over discharging and over charging and charging with too much current will reduce the lifespan of the battery, any action that causes heat to the battery reduces its life
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ChngedChnges(m):
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ChngedChnges(m):
ajabani4allah:
Are you saying that discharging lifepo4 down to 2.5v everytime will not have significant effect on its degradation?
See the links above. There are more sources out there.

Also note that I didn't say it'll not have effect on the battery but that calendar aging will affect the battery more than the charge cycles will. So even if you don't use the batteries they'll still be degrading due to calendar aging .

The video below explains it best cos it compares battery compression, charge cycle and DoD and calendar aging
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ChngedChnges(m): 6:41am On Apr 25
The video below include battery compression. But a very good listen if you can watch till the end as he compares different studies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsvPYw6hoHc?si=0EYfYEqlWYHkUGDB
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ChngedChnges(m): 6:54am On Apr 25
iraybuju:
That’s story for the gods oh, over discharging and over charging and charging with too much current will reduce the lifespan of the battery, any action that causes heat to the battery reduces its life
If you heard me right I said calendar aging degrades your battery faster than your DoD and cycle count.
That means cycling does degrade but the more thing to worry about is calendar aging.

Now with advancements in lifePO4 technologies a good quality high capacity lifePO4 prismatic cell will last pretty long for you and will serve it's purpose even when the state of health reduces to 80 or 70% and that will take years and by then there'd be better technologies.
I saw 628Ah prismatic cell the other day and even saw one up to 1000ah the other day in one of valto's post. As more and more capacities come, these ones price will keep reducing. So why bothered about your 100ah or 314ah battery lasting 50 decades for youhuh?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by jstemmanex(m):
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Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 5:36am On Apr 26
vanchi:
How much does this configuration cost
chat me 08034694579
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 9:41am On Apr 26
Just in, 24v 8s 178ah lifepo4 with jk bms of 200a 2a active balancing and display screen.

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Valto(m): 9:49am On Apr 26
officialfestus:
Just in, 24v 8s 178ah lifepo4 with jk bms of 200a 2a active balancing and display screen.
very slim, sleek and nice!
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 9:49am On Apr 26
Valto:
very slim, sleek and nice!
thank you sir.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by eghos12(m): 10:38am On Apr 26
officialfestus:
Just in, 24v 8s 178ah lifepo4 with jk bms of 200a 2a active balancing and display screen.
Sharp nice work
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 5:08pm On Apr 26
eghos12:
Sharp nice work
thanks boss.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by cutefy: 9:21pm On Apr 26
officialfestus:
Just in, 24v 8s 178ah lifepo4 with jk bms of 200a 2a active balancing and display screen.
Quick question.

Do you have to balance the cells first before assembling them together? If yes, how did u balance them?

If there's no need to balance them, does it mean, you can just join the cells together without balancing them while expecting the BMS to do the balancing?

Lastly, does the BMS features active balancing?

Sorry for the plenty questions
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Penuelseun(m): 9:53pm On Apr 26
officialfestus:
Just in, 24v 8s 178ah lifepo4 with jk bms of 200a 2a active balancing and display screen.
nice one
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Penuelseun(m): 9:59pm On Apr 26
cutefy:
Quick question.

Do you have to balance the cells first before assembling them together? If yes, how did u balance them?

If there's no need to balance them, does it mean, you can just join the cells together without balancing them while expecting the BMS to do the balancing?

Lastly, does the BMS features active balancing?

Sorry for the plenty questions
you can balance them yourself or wait for the BMS to balance them which may take a long time like a week, your BMS balance speed also depends on the inbuilt balance current. To balance them yourself, you connect all the cells in parallel and charge them together to 3.65v, or take a faster route, you setup the cells normally, charge them until one of the cells get to around 3.55v, then start charging the cells individually until they all get to around 3.62v, but this second method requires constant monitoring
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by cutefy: 10:29pm On Apr 26
Penuelseun:
you can balance them yourself or wait for the BMS to balance them which may take a long time like a week, your BMS balance speed also depends on the inbuilt balance current. To balance them yourself, you connect all the cells in parallel and charge them together to 3.65v, or take a faster route, you setup the cells normally, charge them until one of the cells get to around 3.55v, then start charging the cells individually until they all get to around 3.62v, but this second method requires constant monitoring
Thanks so much.
Is there any special charger that can charge at 3.65v?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Penuelseun(m): 10:57pm On Apr 26
cutefy:
Thanks so much.
Is there any special charger that can charge at 3.65v?
@valto sells chargers that can go that low
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by cutefy: 7:02am On Apr 27
Penuelseun:
@valto sells chargers that can go that low
Thank you boss.

@Valto do you have the charger and how much is it?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 11:57am On Apr 27
cutefy:
Quick question.

Do you have to balance the cells first before assembling them together? If yes, how did u balance them?

If there's no need to balance them, does it mean, you can just join the cells together without balancing them while expecting the BMS to do the balancing?the cells came balanced, with a volt difference of 0.003.
You can balance them by connecting them in parallel.
Yes the jk bms I used have an active balancing of 2A.

Lastly, does the BMS features active balancing?

Sorry for the plenty questions

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 12:45pm On Apr 27
3.2v 105Ah prismatic lifepo4 eve cells with very good capacity results available in quantity. Below is the scanned barcode production date and cell information. WhatsApp 080 3469 45 79

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 12:48pm On Apr 27
These ones are 60Ah

Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by cutefy: 5:25pm On Apr 27
officialfestus:
Splendid...

What did you use to top balance the cells.
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