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Patiks:
Show me one example in the Old Testament where God backed a war that was based on injustice.

Its not only wars you know. Its all manner if barbarism and atrocities. But since yo asked for one war, let me ask what was the offense of the people of Jericho.

So much for your reading the Old Testament with crystal ball that's filled with murky waters of bias and self-righteousness.

I see your impulse is to defend your scripture. That is normal and understandable. Nonetheless the instances of atrocities commissioned by Yahweh in the OT are well known. I did not invent them and they have formed the basis for much controversy over centuries of academic discourse. So dont lash out at me.

DeepSight:
Its not only wars you know. Its all manner if barbarism and atrocities. But since yo asked for one war, let me ask what was the offense of the people of Jericho.

If you do not know offense of the people of Jericho, then obviously you are the WRONGEST and MOST CONFUSED ZONE-B-NISED person for me to be discussing with in the first place.

I see your impulse is to defend your scripture. That is normal and understandable. Nonetheless the instances of atrocities commissioned by Yahweh in the OT are well known. I did not invent them and they have formed the basis for much controversy over centuries of academic discourse. So dont lash out at me.

Hmmm! Yahweh has committed so much atrocities that you find it so hard to mention one.
By the way, don't bother since the people of Jericho were saint in your eyes, every other si-ck depraved mind Yahweh dealt with will definitely be presented as saints.

nairalanda1:
1. Resources are cheaper in an era of lack of strife. No need to bribe millitias and bribe warloards and transporting the resources are far far easier

2. Ghadaffy brought his problems on himself. And anyway, Libya issues didn't bring down oil prices in 2012. On the contrary they stayed high for another two years. See the Hormuz issue. Crisis always leads to higher prices of resources

The gadaffi point was libya was doing well and developing in the right direction but due to his patriotism and good ideas for Africa as a whole his case became just like the dog that was given a bad name just to hang it....so stop telling me about anyone actually wanting a peaceful and progressive Africa in heart.

Patiks:
Hmmm! Yahweh has committed so much atrocities that you find it so hard to mention one.
By the way, don't bother since the people of Jericho were saint in your eyes, every other si-ck depraved mind Yahweh dealt with will definitely be presented as saints.

Sigh. This is disappointing. Just tell me their offense. Because this sounds escapist. You actually asked me to cite one unjust war. I cite one and you then claim since I don't know the justification then I am a zombie and you leave it at that.

Think about the above. Is that a rational approach from you. Why then did you ask me to cite an example if you were only gonna reply like this.

Please go ahead and tell me their offense even if I am a zombie. Thanks.

DeepSight:
Its not only wars you know. Its all manner if barbarism and atrocities. But since yo asked for one war, let me ask what was the offense of the people of Jericho.


I see your impulse is to defend your scripture. That is normal and understandable. Nonetheless the instances of atrocities commissioned by Yahweh in the OT are well known. I did not invent them and they have formed the basis for much controversy over centuries of academic discourse. So dont lash out at me.

the ten plagues of egypt where all the first sons were lost
wetin concern the m,asses with pharoah and moses beef?

what was a dk measuring contest between pharoah and moses- rather than direct plague and pestilence to pharoah it was spread to the every day citizen who had nothing to do with it. the toads could have rained in pharoahs house. the sons in pharoahs palace, boils in his household - but instead everyone else was collateral damage - the same thing trumps army of religious posers are going for

same as the story of job where satan, a fallen angel somehow got the same powers as God and agreed to wipe jobs whole family who had nothing to do with it as a dk measuring contest. then after he passed the test he was dashed a fresh family - almost as if family are npcs that can be discarded and replaced at will

GloriousGbola:
the ten plagues of egypt where all the first sons were lost
wetin concern the m,asses with pharoah and moses beef?

what was a dk measuring contest between pharoah and moses- rather than direct plague and pestilence to pharoah it was spread to the every day citizen who had nothing to do with it. the toads could have rained in pharoahs house. the sons in pharoahs palace, boils in his household - but instead everyone else was collateral damage - the same thing trumps army of religious posers are going for

same as the story of job where satan, a fallen angel somehow got the same powers as God and agreed to wipe jobs whole family who had nothing to do with it as a dk measuring contest. then after he passed the test he was dashed a fresh family - almost as if family are npcs that can be discarded and replaced at will

Thank you brother. And the problem is that the OT is littered with too many absurd unjust stories like this.
Look at the instance where Yahweh murdered 70, 000 Jews because David conducted a census that Yahweh instigated him to conduct!

I am sure Patiks will call me an idiot for this again.

Mattswaggz:
The gadaffi point was libya was doing well and developing in the right direction but due to his patriotism and good ideas for Africa as a whole his case became just like the dog that was given a bad name just to hang it....so stop telling me about anyone actually wanting a peaceful and progressive Africa in heart.

Ghaddafi was a bad leader.

I've said it...Ghaddafi was a bad leader.

I assume you are a christian, so let us turn to the book of 1 samuel chapter 13 vs 19

There were no blacksmiths in the land of Israel in those days. The Philistines wouldn't allow them for fear they would make swords and spears for the Hebrews

Ghaddafi had all that oil money, and instead of using it for things like developing a domestic industry that could produce anything, he was sharing the money

The fact is Libya had less than 6 million people, and was then producing 5 million barrels per day.

Ghaddafi did not develop his blacksmiths. At all

One secondary school teacher of mine once said that the reason why Saddam Hussein lost gulf war 1 (this was before gulf war 2). was because Saddam bought all his weapons from abroad. Including the USA. When war broke out, the USA was able to counter the Iraqui army because they knew the weapons their boys were using

Same thing with Ghaddafi. Same thing

Also keep in mind that oil would soon become redundant. When that happens where would Libya be?

Ghaddafi did not develop his blacksmiths, so he was a bad leader.

And his plan would have created a currency based on oil revenue. That is a flimsy basis for a African currency. At least Euro is based on how industrially produictive the EU is.

nairalanda1:
Ghaddafi was a bad leader.

I've said it...Ghaddafi was a bad leader.

I assume you are a christian, so let us turn to the book of 1 samuel chapter 13 vs 19

There were no blacksmiths in the land of Israel in those days. The Philistines wouldn't allow them for fear they would make swords and spears for the Hebrews

Ghaddafi had all that oil money, and instead of using it for things like developing a domestic industry that could produce anything, he was sharing the money

The fact is Libya had less than 6 million people, and was then producing 5 million barrels per day.

Ghaddafi did not develop his blacksmiths. At all

One secondary school teacher of mine once said that the reason why Saddam Hussein lost gulf war 1 (this was before gulf war 2). was because Saddam bought all his weapons from abroad. Including the USA. When war broke out, the USA was able to counter the Iraqui army because they knew the weapons their boys were using

Same thing with Ghaddafi. Same thing

Also keep in mind that oil would soon become redundant. When that happens where would Libya be?

Ghaddafi did not develop his blacksmiths, so he was a bad leader.

And his plan would have created a currency based on oil revenue. That is a flimsy basis for a African currency. At least Euro is based on how industrially produictive the EU is.

It would've still served it's purpose before oil gets obsolete.....isn't the dollar tied to oil as well?. .

Mattswaggz:
It would've still served it's purpose before oil gets obsolete.....isn't the dollar tied to oil as well?. .

Dollar is tied to industrial productivity and other productivity more than oil.

No way the amount of oil would have supported an African currency even if ghaddafi used all of the oil in his hands.

A good African leader developes their blacksmiths. Not living on passive income from a resource that has volatility in price

nairalanda1:
Dollar is tied to industrial productivity and other productivity more than oil.

No way the amount of oil would have supported an African currency even if ghaddafi used all of the oil in his hands.

A good African leader developes their blacksmiths. Not living on passive income from a resource that has volatility in price

Mostly true but that doesn't back your initial point.

Mattswaggz:
Mostly true but that doesn't back your initial point.

You've just agreed with me that an African currency backed by oil doesn't make sense

At the same time you are disagreeing with me on the need for all African countries to use their natural resources to develop industrially.

So you want us to remain backward.

Right

nairalanda1:
You've just agreed with me that an African currency backed by oil doesn't make sense

At the same time you are disagreeing with me on the need for all African countries to use their natural resources to develop industrially.

So you want us to remain backward.

Right

Lol....I didn't agree with you entirely that it doesn't make sense....it will serve it purpose though temporarily as I said earlier but not entirely senseless.

Secondly my disagreement with you was about your claim that the west wants a peaceful and progressive Africa as it would even aid their interest positively when in reality, from the very moment they came here they've shown otherwise.

Mattswaggz:
Lol....I didn't agree with you entirely that it doesn't make sense....it will serve it purpose though temporarily as I said earlier but not entirely senseless.

Secondly my disagreement with you was about your claim that the west wants a peaceful and progressive Africa as it would even aid their interest positively when in reality, from the very moment they came here they've shown otherwise.

But west wants a peaceful and prosperous Africa.

Take China. China is where it is today not because the west loves them, but because they invested in tech and they stopped doing the socialist economy you guys love. And industries because they realised that they didn't have enough resources

Anytime I say we should do the same in Nigeria on this site, you guys tell me that we have oil therefore we should develop.

West prefers a first world developed Africa..More disposable income to buy more western goods. More places for potentially cheaper manufacturing. That's why the largest markets for western goods are in China self.

If you no get am, sorry. Like I said many of you know that Tinubu is a bad leader, you don't know why he is a bad leader

nairalanda1:
But west wants a peaceful and prosperous Africa.

Take China. China is where it is today not because the west loves them, but because they invested in tech and they stopped doing the socialist economy you guys love. And industries because they realised that they didn't have enough resources

Anytime I say we should do the same in Nigeria on this site, you guys tell me that we have oil therefore we should develop.

West prefers a first world developed Africa..More disposable income to buy more western goods. More places for potentially cheaper manufacturing. That's why the largest markets for western goods are in China self.

If you no get am, sorry. Like I said many of you know that Tinubu is a bad leader, you don't know why he is a bad leader

Well there is no need going to and fro if you can't see the handwriting on the wall....in as much as we dislike ourselves and we prioritize the things that hardly matter....what you paint the west as towards Africa is far from the truth. It is obvious for all the see....while the Chinese and Arabs(gulf states mostly) tend to be more patriotic and try to put their own interest first in their dealings with the west, Africans to some extent don't and that's some of the difference....their developments is from self efforts and drawing clear and defines lines in their relationship with the west and not because the west would've preferred them like that.

Mattswaggz:
Well there is no need going to and fro if you can't see the handwriting on the wall....in as much as we dislike ourselves and we prioritize the things that hardly matter....what you paint the west as towards Africa is far from the truth. It is obvious for all the see....while the Chinese and Arabs(gulf states mostly) tend to be more patriotic and try to put their own interest first in their dealings with the west, Africans to some extent don't and that's some of the difference....their developments is from self efforts and drawing clear and defines lines in their relationship with the west and not because the west would've preferred them like that.

The West wants a peaceful Africa. Dead bodies and refugees can't buy Apples and Laptops and Chevys

nairalanda1:
The West wants a peaceful Africa. Dead bodies and refugees can't buy Apples and Laptops and Chevys

🥱Yep....that's why they destroyed cities and carted away artifacts and after which they yolked different religions,race,cultures, languages etc as one to enable easy division if needed in the future and also made it very difficult for them to disintegrate...those are good signs of goodwill aren't they?. .

Mattswaggz:
🥱Yep....that's why they destroyed cities and carted away artifacts and after which they yolked different religions,race,cultures, languages etc as one to enable easy division if needed in the future and also made it very difficult for them to disintegrate...those are good signs of goodwill aren't they?. .

Which every civilization, including African civilizations have done, so I don;t know why you are here telling me that.

nairalanda1:
Which every civilization, including African civilizations have done, so I don;t know why you are here telling me that.

They've done joined 2-3 people with different mentality together to enable easy division?. ......or do you think countries like Nigeria being one today was done by coincidence?.

Mattswaggz:
They've done joined 2-3 people with different mentality together to enable easy division?. ......or do you think countries like Nigeria being one today was done by coincidence?.

Every civilzation has done the same as the West. And still does.

nairalanda1:
Every civilzation has done the same as the West. And still does.

And you still think that looks like the doings of someone who wants the people he/she forcefully choked up together to progress huh?. .

Mattswaggz:
And you still think that looks like the doings of someone who wants the people he/she forcefully choked up together to progress huh?. .

The way you guys behave, it's like you believe that the black man has no mind or brains, that everything good or bad he or she does is by external control

NOble savage racisim

You will have bad leadership because you do not want to do self introspection.

Adieu.