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The idea of Goodluck Jonathan wouldn't have come up if the idol (Peter Obi) have been politically stable - maybe.


We hear the youth (not elders and youth), are clamoring for a Jonathan to be the new idol to end hunger in Nigeria. It's quite interesting to hear these things and it reaffirms the words of a certain Nigerian politician who says - "Nigerians don't appreciate their leaders until they leave office".


The case of Nigerians isn't dementia, but a "desperate lack of choice". It will not be forgotten that this supposed new idol was "kicked out" by the desperado Nigerians - but time has flown by - they want him back. What about Peter Obi? Isn't he good enough? Or is this a celebrity takes two?


In my opinion, having the candidacy of Jonathan and Obi doesn't guarantee a political win both together and respectively - but it's a welcome idea. The wishes of Nigerians that is fuelled by hunger should also be fuelled by "reason" - let's look at the score card of Jonathan - it's almost no different from Tinubu's. It's basically a recycle of what you most likely don't like.


The case of Obi is very much similar to the score card of Jonathan and Tinubu's. One should keep remembering that the "person that will deliver Nigeria has not been born". No sing-praising of certain leaders or potential leaders will guarantee Nigeria's deliverance. Nigerians rather should be more focused and disciplined - Nigerians should see beyond the celebration of a leader and look inwards - see the engine he carries and celebrate result of that very engine.


If you ask me - Jonathan or Obi, I'd say "neither" for deliverance of Nigeria but "maybe" for a healthy competition against Tinubu.


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Don’t be too sure they won’t better than Tinubu

Any of them will definitely favor the masses more than Tinubu

Tinubu is a hard hearted man and it will get worse in the 2nd tenure when he has nothing to loose

From experience living in Nigeria, they are most likely going to lead like Tinubu.

They are not running for a presidential seat in Ghana or South Africa that have fairly good engines - they are running for a presidential seat in a country with a bad engine. That's the perspective I'm looking at it from.


Frankly, Tinubu's first term shows he's got a listening ear. Your prediction of a worse 2nd term under Tinubu is not caste in stones - no one has the power to predict such accurately.

Didijiji:
Don’t be too sure they won’t better than Tinubu

Any of them will definitely favor the masses more than Tinubu

Tinubu is a hard hearted man and it will get worse in the 2nd tenure when he has nothing to loose

kayjordan:
From experience living in Nigeria, they are most likely going to lead like Tinubu.

They are not running for a presidential seat in Ghana or South Africa that have fairly good engines - they are running for a presidential seat in a country with a bad engine. That's the perspective I'm looking at it from.


Frankly, Tinubu's first term shows he's got a listening ear. Your prediction of a worse 2nd term under Tinubu is not caste in stones - no one has the power to predict such accurately.

i can bet you that his 2nd term will be the worst governance this country has had

He may even be stationed in France and have his on your mandate soldiers running and looting Nogeria

Well that will be bad if such happens.

That will destroy years of legacy building. I don't think Tinubu worked so hard for a legacy only to look forward to destroying it with his own hands.

When people like politicians get to a certain age, they look beyond money or title - they look at the big picture they will create for their grandchildren.

Didijiji:
i can bet you that his 2nd term will be the worst governance this country has had

He may even be stationed in France and have his on your mandate soldiers running and looting Nogeria

[quote author=kayjordan post=139347840]From experience living in Nigeria, they are most likely going to lead like Tinubu.

They are not running for a presidential seat in Ghana or South Africa that have fairly good engines - they are running for a presidential seat in a country with a bad engine. That's the perspective I'm looking at it from.

I wont wana say much buh i hope you are footballer lover

Remember how bad chelsea was during the last days of lampard as coach, after lampard was sacked in that very terrific season chelse Won champion league .. Chelsea player were worst than a bad engine

Frankly, Tinubu's first term shows he's got a listening ear. Your prediction of a worse 2nd term under Tinubu is not caste in stones - no one has the power to predict such accurately.

I doubt if you leave in Nigeria or you are one of those sycophants .. When you say Tinubu listen, listen to what

Is it fuel subaidy that was not even in his prepared speech he announced

Is it the restorement of Obasa as Lagos speaker even when clearly the house acted a change

Is it the visit to Benue or jos after so much public outcry buh the president refuse to visit the places of incident

Is it the tax law or the electoral act despite public outcry he hurriedly signed on

I can go on nd On, its mind buggling when i meet people like you honestly, how can you say Tinubu listens .. The national anthem he changed, the Nigerians not kick against it did he listen


Where do you guyz crawl out from, you just wana play your sycophancy no matter what, haba !

kayjordan:
Well that will be bad if such happens.

That will destroy years of legacy building. I don't think Tinubu worked so hard for a legacy only to look forward to destroying it with his own hands.

When people like politicians get to a certain age, they look beyond money or title - they look at the big picture they will create for their grandchildren.

what has he created in his first tenure?

Governance suffers and he only acts when trump tweets or threatens to

He is busier and very active getting governors to his side

Please note: I don't watch football.


If a new coach was able to make a bad Chelsea team win a match - it's a matter of size, technique and resources.


Comparing an 11-man team with a civil-service of nearly a million civil servants and 200 million Nigerians with limited resources is a huge difference.


Chelsea was not cash starved, Chelsea was not over populated with players - it just found the right technique to get it's existing engine to speed up.


Tinubu is the ceo of the country who's been given the power to make decisions. He has the power to use his discretion, listen to the people and "not" listen to the people when necessary.



Nigerians are not always fantastic advisers.




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If you are a President, you will look after yourself and Nigerians that voted you in - guaranteed.

Tinubu has been functioning since he assumed office, so he needed not be pushed by Trump to function.

There was already a track record of Tinubu's war on insecurity before Trump dreamed of Nigeria.

Every leader in the world works - because you don't see them with a shovel doesn't mean they are not sweating for their countries.

Didijiji:
what has he created in his first tenure?

Governance suffers and he only acts when trump tweets or threatens to

He is busier and very active getting governors to his side

kayjordan:
If you are a President, you will look after yourself and Nigerians that voted you in - guaranteed.

Tinubu has been functioning since he assumed office, so he needed not be pushed by Trump to function.

There was already a track record of Tinubu's war on insecurity before Trump dreamed of Nigeria.

Every leader in the world works - because you don't see them with a shovel doesn't mean they are not sweating for their countries.

if your son claims to be working and the result you see is present day Nigeria, won’t you poison or stone him?

Do you live in Nigeria?

Absolutely not - if my son's result is present day Nigeria, I won't poison nor stone him.

I understand Nigeria's architecture, so I wouldn't attack any leader that's struggling.

But for other Nigerians that don't understand Nigeria's architecture, they are most likely to poison or stone you if your result is present Nigeria.

Didijiji:
if your son claims to be working and the result you see is present day Nigeria, won’t you poison or stone him?

Do you live in Nigeria?

Jonathan is too weak and imbecilic, though he was a great president. Peter Obi is both educated and ready to fight unlike GEJ's bitch ass

kayjordan:
Absolutely not - if my son's result is present day Nigeria, I won't poison nor stone him.

I understand Nigeria's architecture, so I wouldn't attack any leader that's struggling.

But for other Nigerians that don't understand Nigeria's architecture, they are most likely to poison or stone you if your result is present Nigeria.

same way Abia state had your so called architecture that looked extremely hopeless till an Otti came to show that it is doable and not rocket science

Don’t hide his ineptitude on an imaginary architecture

Say amen to the simple prayer and move on

Ofodirinwa:
Jonathan is too weak and imbecilic, though he was a great president. Peter Obi is both educated and ready to fight unlike GEJ's bitch ass

GEJ is tested and trusted, an Obasanjo product

They use the technocrats and best hands to serve and not using appointments to settle their servants. Power and economy is a mess because of man no man

Allow GEJ pls

Didijiji:
GEJ is tested and trusted, an Obasanjo product

They use the technocrats and best hands to serve and not using appointments to settle their servants. Power and economy is a mess because of man no man

Allow GEJ pls

GEJ is a weak idiot. If GEJ wins, Tinubu is still the president because Tinubu is a man and GEJ is a bitch boy. This man has full command of all of Ngierias armed forces and resources and spent his entire tenure cowering and looking for a godfather to protect him. I still remember him calling IBB his daddy lol. Anytime the north coughed this idiot did whatever nonsensical demand he thought would make them happy.

I remember during that time El Rufai came to Anambra to be stupid and Obi locked his ass in a hotel room lol. The same El Rufai that was jackassing GEJ around daily with no government seat

Didijiji:
Don’t be too sure they won’t better than Tinubu

Any of them will definitely favor the masses more than Tinubu

Tinubu is a hard hearted man and it will get worse in the 2nd tenure when he has nothing to loose

how did obi favor Anambra people when he was governor?

Don't forget the statistics are there that he made them poorer n tinubu did wonders as governor

If tinubu d performer is having this kind of problem then tell me how obi who failed woefully would fare?

Ofodirinwa:
GEJ is a weak idiot. If GEJ wins, Tinubu is still the president because Tinubu is a man and GEJ is a bitch boy. This man has full command of all of Ngierias armed forces and resources and spent his entire tenure cowering and looking for a godfather to protect him. I still remember him calling IBB his daddy lol. Anytime the north coughed this idiot did whatever nonsensical demand he thought would make them happy.

I remember during that time El Rufai came to Anambra to be stupid and Obi locked his ass in a hotel room lol. The same El Rufai that was jackassing GEJ around daily with no government seat

him or Obi

Anyone works

Tinubu ought to have also worked but seriously I don’t know what the Problem is. You cannot prepare for over 20 years and come and not write your name in gold

Didijiji:
i can bet you that his 2nd term will be the worst governance this country has had

He may even be stationed in France and have his on your mandate soldiers running and looting Nogeria

how is his first term worst?

No more strike in university
Doctors salary upgraded
Governor's monthly income doubled
Dialysis patients subsidized
Nelfund introduce
Parallel exchange rate
Floating of naira to avoid loopholes
Developed infrastructure (coastal roads n co)

So tell me which of these policies are bad?

Tell me d ones obi will reversed?

Didijiji:
what has he created in his first tenure?

Governance suffers and he only acts when trump tweets or threatens to

He is busier and very active getting governors to his side

I guess it was trump that tweeted nelfund, coastal roads, unification of naira n co?

Counterigbolies:
how did obi favor Anambra people when he was governor?

Don't forget the statistics are there that he made them poorer n tinubu did wonders as governor

If tinubu d performer is having this kind of problem then tell me how obi who failed woefully would fare?

see the kind of wack mentality you guys run with. And th painful part is that you people want to force the stupid thinking down our throats

Obi did well, left money for the state, did not stupidly borrow

Mind you everyone is not obedient

Ofodirinwa:
Jonathan is too weak and imbecilic, though he was a great president. Peter Obi is both educated and ready to fight unlike GEJ's bitch ass

same peter obi that runs at the slightest problem?

If obi can run at ordinary labour party crisis, how will he handle Nigeria multidimensional problem?

Didijiji:
same way Abia state had your so called architecture that looked extremely hopeless till an Otti came to show that it is doable and not rocket science

Don’t hide his ineptitude on an imaginary architecture

Say amen to the simple prayer and move on

when last did u hear of university strike?

Counterigbolies:
I guess it was trump that tweeted nelfund, coastal roads, unification of naira n co?

see the kinds of things you are calling Achievements

Let’s even agree they are! At what cost and level of borrowing? With the savings on subsidy.

Should you be stoned for mentioning nelfund and coastal highway as commensurate achievements for all the trillions

Didijiji:
see the kinds of things you are calling Achievements

Let’s even agree they are! At what cost and level of borrowing? With the savings on subsidy.

Should you be stoned for mentioning nelfund and coastal highway as commensurate achievements for all the trillions

when last did u hear of university strike?

Counterigbolies:
same peter obi that runs at the slightest problem?

If obi can run at ordinary labour party crisis, how will he handle Nigeria multidimensional problem?

how the parties Tinubu and joined with that of Peter Obi and then come back to confirm if you have senmnnse

Didijiji:
how the parties Tinubu and joined with that of Peter Obi and then come back to confirm if you have senmnnse

abeg which party did tinubu join?

Sdp - AD....


AD member formed AC which later metamorphosed to ACN and later joined buhari n co to form APC

So tell me how tinubu changed parties?

Same man that was in opposition for good 16 years against PDP

I will never reply u with insults but with fact

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Please note: I don't watch football.
If a new coach was able to make a bad Chelsea team win a match - it's a matter of size, technique and resources.

Doesnt matter, so far you understand techniques, resources nd decisions can enforce a turn around, Yaradua could have made so positive changes, Nigeria was bad even then But good people dont last

Comparing an 11-man team with a civil-service of nearly a million civil servants and 200 million Nigerians with limited resources is a huge difference.

I didnt compare, i simply gave an analogy to give a clearer insight that you were "Wrong", indeed Nigeria is bad engine but can be fix in good hands thats my point

Chelsea was not cash starved, Chelsea was not over populated with players - it just found the right technique to get it's existing engine to speed up.

Oga dont patronize me , Chelsea was as bad as Nigeria nd the new coach could have held on to an excuse ... Sebi una see say the team bad not my fault if we relegate, but he rolled his sleeves n work

Chelsea is not starved, just as Nigeria is not poor cos we have abundance of resources, is govt exploring afi crude
chelsea is not overpopulated, just as Nigeria can not be deemed overpopulated if countries like china nd indian with billion population are doing economic well

Nigeria is where it is today because we have leaders that will see road path but prefer to take the bush, just to suite their corruption aim

Tinubu is the ceo of the country who's been given the power to make decisions. He has the power to use his discretion, listen to the people and "not" listen to the people when necessary.

Alol ! see reasoning, i guess he has the power not fulfill his electoral promises as well cos he has been acting it, so all the time he didnt listen to Us, its All not necessary ..smh

You know something, You can't support Tinubu govt nd not sound like a disgrace to whatever academic qualification you bear, see Reno on X thats one become a complete ediot with no brain cells

Nigerians are not always fantastic advisers

How many foreigners are in Tinubu cabinet of special advisers, tbh i shame for you bro, you write english well nd you reason this low ..god abeg

To help you draw your thinking cap line from point "x" to point "y" :

Nigeria is a project - not a restaurant dish that is cooked in 45 minutes.

A president assumes a role - to handle a specific timeline of that project and hands over to the next person.


Chelsea had debt issues and had to asks for bail outs. I remember Abramovic giving loans to Chelsea when he was the owner.


Even though Chelsea is just an analogy, it doesn't describe the Nigerian situation better but the India comparison you made is a suitable one. To address the India comparison, India has quite similar challenges as Nigeria's.


India's development is higher than Nigeria's but there's a lot of poverty, poor education, poor infrastructure, racism and debt that's yet to be dealt with or totally fixed - and it not a today and tomorrow's job.



My qualification doesn't necessarily define my thinking but rather, what I read or get exposure to does.


I think big, I don't think small.


Complainers think small.



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You describe Otti's Abia state as a USA.

Abia state is supposed to look like UK, USA, Russia etc in just 4 years of his leadership - but you're picking his achievements in stages - but you find it difficult to pick Tinubu's achievements in stages as well.


If you vote Otti as president of a country and not a state - it would be a fantastic coffee sipping moment to see what he'd achieve in stages - and I'd love to be looking at your face while sipping coffee.


I pass the prayer back to you - say amen and move on.

Didijiji:
same way Abia state had your so called architecture that looked extremely hopeless till an Otti came to show that it is doable and not rocket science

Don’t hide his ineptitude on an imaginary architecture

Say amen to the simple prayer and move on

kayjordan:
You describe Otti's Abia state as a USA.

Abia state is supposed to look like UK, USA, Russia etc in just 4 years of his leadership - but you're picking his achievements in stages - but you find it difficult to pick Tinubu's achievements in stages as well.


If you vote Otti as president of a country and not a state - it would be a fantastic coffee sipping moment to see what he'd achieve in stages - and I'd love to be looking at your face while sipping coffee.


I pass the prayer back to you - say amen and move on.

you just spoke long grammar instead of saying amen

However I impose the prayer and amen on you

Tinubu’s economy, security and power shall be the lot of your family till the 3rd generation. Nobody can change this ✅✅✅