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To wasen the politechnic discrimination, you can't join NSE Nigeria society of engineers after your HND except you go for your PGD. Too bad.

Note: Universities are research based and not only theory. In furtherance to this, a theory is the highest level of scientific understanding. A few Polytechnics offers medical related courses.

Kwara State Polytechnic Ilorin, Kwara State
Medical Imaging, Health Information Management (newly approved by NBTE)

Ogun State Polytechnic of Health and Allied Sciences Ilese-Ijebu, Ogun State
Medical Lab Technician, Pharmacy Technician, Paramedics, Health Information Management, Environmental Health, Dental Technology, Community Health

I am fortunate to attend both Polytechnic and Universities.. I can categorically tell you there so many differences in the two

arinzos:
Stories...
What skill if i may ask?

Hiding expo in boxers

TyroneP:
Note: Universities are research based and not only theory. In furtherance to this, a theory is the highest level of scientific understanding. A few Polytechnics offers medical related courses.

Kwara State Polytechnic Ilorin, Kwara State
Medical Imaging, Health Information Management (newly approved by NBTE)

Ogun State Polytechnic of Health and Allied Sciences Ilese-Ijebu, Ogun State
Medical Lab Technician, Pharmacy Technician, Paramedics, Health Information Management, Environmental Health, Dental Technology, Community Health

Nasarawa Politechnic Nasarawa state: Architectural & Building Science.

Badadvisor:
No where in the world polytechnic is better than university, calm down with your fallacy.

The two are the same. In fact the polytechnic is better in the west.

Nigeria just decided to be unfortunate by descriminating against polytechnic education

mrvitalis:
You can't study engineering in polytechnic

Engineering and engineering technology are not the, far far different from each other

And this is the kind of mindset and reasoning why Nigeria will never be industrialised. Name one invention from all our years of producing academic engineers in nigeria. All the tech and gadget you import from china, you think they are created by emphasis on head knowledge without practical?

We have so many university engineering graduates. How has that helped Nigeria to industrialise? Most of them are hustling for bank jobs....waste of 5 years of learning fluid mechanics thermodynamics engineering maths etc with zero opportunity for real world application

Loools. Na so dem dey washy us the time wedey polytechnic oo. Thank God I went to uniben and saw the difference. Practicals constrain you to the ecosystem of the designers intentions, schemes, scope and even capability, the theory makes you the designer it self. University is broader in scope and exposure.

Una one start?

edoairways:
Ironically, polytechnic is the main thing especially for science oriented courses

So, why are there no core medical related courses?
Everybody should maintain their lane, university is encompassing of everything while poly is for technicals...

edoairways:
That is the truth. Those skills many graduate lack can be acquired from the polytechnic

There's no truth in that, stop deceiving or consoling yourself.

DuttyChuks:
In Nigeria, they messed up polytechnic, in reality polytechnic is far more better than universities. They're well taught, well exposed and 100% employable. I don't know why the discrimination against polytechnics. But, the system on board now had messed up Polytechnic system of education. Its not as it use to be before.

Polytechnics are not better than universities. They bought have different targets. Polytechnics are designed to train low and middle level officers like technicians and technologists. Universities on the other hand are designed for research and theories while prepping people for higher managerial and research roles.

They are both inmportant for society to thrive and no one should be relegated for the other. It is just a shame that Nigeria has not utilised the advantages of both systems to the maximum.

Iamzik:
And this is the kind of mindset and reasoning why Nigeria will never be industrialised. Name one invention from all our years of producing academic engineers in nigeria. All the tech and gadget you import from china, you think they are created by emphasis on head knowledge without practical?

We have so many university engineering graduates. How has that helped Nigeria to industrialise? Most of them are hustling for bank jobs....waste of 5 years of learning fluid mechanics thermodynamics engineering maths etc with zero opportunity for real world application

What exactly is what you are saying have to do with what I'm saying?

You get problem

Thank you so much for giving this firsthand experience to us. I am a product of HND Accountancy. I was discriminated against when I went for job interview. Then I vowed that my children won't attend polytechnic.

Whether polytechnic gives hands-on skill to their graduates; you have said it all that university graduates are trained to direct hands-on skillers.

Nigeria govt shall convert all polytechnics to degree awarding like in USA, Uk and Canada

CrystalMax:
I attended one of the best Polytechnics in Nigeria - where I earned a National Diploma and Higher National Diploma in Electrical/Electronic Engineering.
I proceeded to pursue a Bachelor's degree & Master's degree at a reputable Federal University in Nigeria.

From a man who has experienced it all first-hand, it is baseless comparing the two education systems. The goal of each system are completely different.

In the Polytechnic for engineering programs (when I was a student), all your Engineering courses are graded like this:
- Examination: 60%
- Practicals: 20%
- Continuous Assessment: 20%
For you to get an A in my school then, you need an overall score of 75% or more, some Polytechnics adopted 80% back then. It is lesser in the University, all you need is just 70% or more.

The focus on structured practicals gives you ample exposure to real life scenarios.

On the other hand, the University Education graded all courses like this:
- Examination : 70%
- Continuous Assessment : 30%
- A dedicated course on practical which is graded similarly.

While the Polytechnic Education trains you to be a handy man, the University trains you to be more!
The exposure in the University Education is broader. In Nigerian Universities; You get to do GES/GST/GNS courses in Sociology (Nigerian People & Culture), Philosophy (Logic & Philosophy), ICT and the likes. Whereas in the Polytechnic (when I was there), the GNS was just Citizenship Education, Use of English and Use of Library; which is apparently limited.
I read more books in my 3years HND-B.Eng conversion program, than I read in ND & HND program combined, despite doing over 50% similar courses.

Emphasis are less on research in the Polytechnic as compared to that of University.

These systems are not meant for same purpose. If you want to choose, choose the one that best meet your needs; Polytechnic Education focuses on preparing you to be a hands-on personnel, while the University focuses on preparing you to manage or give direction to hands-on personnel.

Lastly, giving my 13years+ work experience in the Nigerian Labour Market, I strongly recommend a University Education.

kennyz247:
Poly na glorified scam in Nigeria... with little or no value in the labour market..

I hope say na poly u go sha, cos me go poly and In engineering related fields you can't graduate with ND or HND without practical

Op you funny, in Nigeria they are both the same if you view from spiritual angle.

which one be spiritual angle again? 😂

Deceiving your self is the worst of all lies. Which practical polytechnic has? The practical in the two are not different in their related courses. Polytechnic were originally designed for practical and more technical aspects but in reality non exist and they're mere trailing the universities in all aspects. I had education in both. In truth, university is ahead of polytechnic because the former is too porous and created too many loophole for students to take advantage.

edoairways:
Ironically, polytechnic the main thing especially for science oriented courses

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EBossupdates01:
[b]Difference between polytechnic and university in Nigeria.

*{1a}* In University the minimum duration of your programme depends on the course of study. It can be 3, 4, 5, 6 or even 7 years

*{1b}* In Polytechnic your minimum duration of study is 5 years. Two years for National Diploma (ND), one year compulsory Industrial training (IT), two years for (HND)
*__________________________________________________________________*

*{2a}* You can study any course in a University; Science, Arts, Law, Medicine, Engineering, Social Science and Commercial courses.

*{2b}* In Polytechnic you can’t study courses like Medicine and Surgery, medical related courses, Law, and some social science course.
*__________________________________________________________________*

*{3a}* After completing your course in University, and you graduate with at least second class lower, you can go for a Master Degree in your programme.

*{3b}* After completing your HND Programme in a Polytechnic, you can’t apply for a Masters Degree with just your HND Certificate. You must do a compulsory one year Postgraduate Diploma (PGD).
*__________________________________________________________________*

*{4a}* Tussle for Admission is Once: Once you gain admission into a Nigerian University to attain your first degree, you don’t need any other entrance examination to get your Degree. Say you gained admission to study Statistics, you won’t write any other entrance examination again. You just need to write semester examinations.

*{4b}* Tussle for Admission is Twice: In Polytechnic, there is ND and HND. First you gain admission to get your ND certificate. After the programme you must apply for admission to get the HND certificate. This means writing the entrance examination or applying for admission twice.
*__________________________________________________________________*

*{5a}* Once you start, you must wait until you complete your four or five years programme before you can use your certificate to apply for job

*{5b}* In polytechnic, after two years in the school you get your ND certificate. You can use this certificate to apply for job. But note that lately people who have ND are under paid.
*__________________________________________________________________*

{6a} Except for some few courses, University teaching is theory based.

{6b} Most of their courses are practical based. Just few courses are theory based.
*__________________________________________________________________*

{7a} University requires higher UTME Score. In 2019, the lowest JAMB cut-off mark was 160. However, some Universities minimum was 180 while others 200.

{7b} Polytechnics accepts students with low JAMB UTME scores. In 2019, most Polytechnics accepted JAMB candidates who scored 120 in UTME
*__________________________________________________________________*

HND graduates that are employed in the MDAs (Ministries, Departments and Agencies ) cannot rise above grade level 14 with just their HND certificate alone. They would have to aquire PGD and Master and apply for conversion before rising above grade level 14 while University graduates can rise above grade level 14 in MDAs.


HND graduates cannot lecture in a university with only their HND qualifications alone while a University graduate can lecture in a polytechnic or monotechnic institution with their qualifications.

HND graduates are looked down upon in Nigeria while University graduates are regarded as superior to HND graduates though both of them undergo NYSC scheme.


HND graduates can use their qualifications to apply for first degree programme in the University but university graduates do not need HND certificates

University make you an administrator while the Polytechnic make you more of an hands-on-doer. It will be overreaching to believe one is superior to the other.

CrystalMax:
I attended one of the best Polytechnics in Nigeria - where I earned a National Diploma and Higher National Diploma in Electrical/Electronic Engineering.
I proceeded to pursue a Bachelor's degree & Master's degree at a reputable Federal University in Nigeria.

From a man who has experienced it all first-hand, it is baseless comparing the two education systems. The goal of each system are completely different.

In the Polytechnic for engineering programs (when I was a student), all your Engineering courses are graded like this:
- Examination: 60%
- Practicals: 20%
- Continuous Assessment: 20%
For you to get an A in my school then, you need an overall score of 75% or more, some Polytechnics adopted 80% back then. It is lesser in the University, all you need is just 70% or more.

The focus on structured practicals gives you ample exposure to real life scenarios.

On the other hand, the University Education graded all courses like this:
- Examination : 70%
- Continuous Assessment : 30%
- A dedicated course on practical which is graded similarly.

While the Polytechnic Education trains you to be a handy man, the University trains you to be more!
The exposure in the University Education is broader. In Nigerian Universities; You get to do GES/GST/GNS courses in Sociology (Nigerian People & Culture), Philosophy (Logic & Philosophy), ICT and the likes. Whereas in the Polytechnic (when I was there), the GNS was just Citizenship Education, Use of English and Use of Library; which is apparently limited.
I read more books in my 3years HND-B.Eng conversion program, than I read in ND & HND program combined, despite doing over 50% similar courses.

Emphasis are less on research in the Polytechnic as compared to that of University.

These systems are not meant for same purpose. If you want to choose, choose the one that best meet your needs; Polytechnic Education focuses on preparing you to be a hands-on personnel, while the University focuses on preparing you to manage or give direction to hands-on personnel.

Lastly, giving my 13years+ work experience in the Nigerian Labour Market, I strongly recommend a University Education.

I attended one of the best polytechnics (if not the best) in Nigeria around the early 2000s. I studied Food Technology, with my 1-year industrial training being at NAFDAC Central Laboratory in Oshodi Lagos. These trainings gave me industrial leverage over the MSc counterparts after I moved to a university for a BSc. In other words, I was getting jobs MSc graduates were scrambling for. Food industries rooted for my technical expertise in PRACTICAL food production and quality assurance.

Let me shock you. During my NAFDAC training. I and my fellow polytechnic colleague were applauded for our dexterity in reagent standardization and laboratory analysis on Food samples. Several university students got insecure about this and began projecting their theoretical knowledge. Lol....okay, Mr theoretical, handle your sample and apparatus like a true expert. For where.....? Lol.

My Polytechnic foundation gave me an edge over university's theoretical approach. BSc 6 month IT can not beat a polytechnic's 4 month initial IT and 1 year final IT. Never.

edoairways:
Ironically, polytechnic is the main thing especially for science oriented courses

Yet the polytechnic leavers are being battered in those fields

DuttyChuks:
In Nigeria, they messed up polytechnic, in reality polytechnic is far more better than universities. They're well taught, well exposed and 100% employable. I don't know why the discrimination against polytechnics. But, the system on board now had messed up Polytechnic system of education. Its not as it use to be before.

There was never a time where polytechnic was better than universities

shortgun:
You are a liar. Polytechnic graduates in Nigeria are considered stronger than university graduates in several practical and technical areas, especially in industries that value hands-on ability over theory.

Whoever is deceiving you is doing a good job

numericalguy:
Whoever is deceiving you is doing a good job

He is saying the truth bro. No cap.

shortgun:
You are a liar. Polytechnic graduates in Nigeria are considered stronger than university graduates in several practical and technical areas, especially in industries that value hands-on ability over theory.

You are right. I myself have had 1st hand experience of it. Mostly Poly grads do all the technical work in construction and production industries.

numericalguy:
There was never a time where polytechnic was better than universities

Its was never about been better to start with.

TyroneP:
Note: Universities are research based and not only theory. In furtherance to this, a theory is the highest level of scientific understanding. A few Polytechnics offers medical related courses.

Kwara State Polytechnic Ilorin, Kwara State
Medical Imaging, Health Information Management (newly approved by NBTE)

Ogun State Polytechnic of Health and Allied Sciences Ilese-Ijebu, Ogun State
Medical Lab Technician, Pharmacy Technician, Paramedics, Health Information Management, Environmental Health, Dental Technology, Community Health

Research you said? Lmao..... Research is in a state of coma in Nigeria. So all the BSc graduates does is to scramble for jobs meant for HND grads.

HND isn't contesting with MSc or PhD graduates. Its with the BSc ones.

SonOfEl:
He is saying the truth bro. No cap.

I always feel sorry for you and your kind.

I have a Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and masters degree in telecommunications engineering and it beats my imagination that a polytechnic guy thinks he knows engineering more.

If only you knew how polytechnic guys are being maltreated in the field of engineering you will feel sorry for them

numericalguy:
I always feel sorry for you and your kind.

I have a Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and masters degree in telecommunications engineering and it beats my imagination that a polytechnic guy thinks he knows engineering more.

If only you knew how polytechnic guys are being maltreated in the field of engineering you will feel sorry for them

I also have a masters degree.

The issue here is between HND and BSC, not Masters or PhD.

Yes ploy holders are being discriminated at by insecure university grads in the industry suffering from main character syndrome. Unbiased industries actually treat HND graduates fairly.

Kokaine:
Loools. Na so dem dey washy us the time wedey polytechnic oo. Thank God I went to uniben and saw the difference. Practicals constrain you to the ecosystem of the designers intentions, schemes, scope and even capability, the theory makes you the designer it self. University is broader in scope and exposure.

As for me polytechnic training gave me a better standing over BSc graduates who had no polytechnic experience.

I was in the best polytechnic and one of the best universities in Nigeria. I studied engineering. Just dead the matter if you've not attended both. The skills you talk about is a big hoax. You have to have been in both to understand.

In my case, I agree with the guy. I studied both in poly and uni. I studied Food Science and Technology. Those in the food and beverage industry will understand the immense contribution and value of the HND input in the industry.

MOST university-only grads in BSc knows little in terms of technical application of the field as compared to Poly grads

SonOfEl:
I also have a masters degree.

The issue here is between HND and BSC, not Masters or PhD.

Yes ploy holders are being discriminated at by insecure university grads in the industry suffering from main character syndrome. Unbiased industries actually treat HND graduates fairly.

You know nothing of the discrimination which is why you are talking like this. I can never advise my worst enemy to go to polytechnic for any reason.

The discrimination is 100% there even at B.Sc and HND level and it will remain there.

FYI, my late dad had OND in mechanical engineering from Kaduna polytechnic and he swore that none of his children will ever go to the polytechnic so I know what I am saying when I say people like you have no idea what you are talking about