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A living and complete word of God should function and behave like ChatGpt (LLM) which you can query and it gives you relevant answer relating to your exact question.

It also should be frequently updated and not remain static and suffer archaism.

All peoples should have something for them without the need for an Igala man to be an Israeli or Arabian by faith for it to be relevant.

If you confront a Muslim, he tells you the Holy Koran contains everything about life and creation.

Meet a Christian, and he says the Holy Bible is the Living Word, and is Truth.


The two books we used above to reference the religious books and also any written discourse on spirituality, religion or mysticism however suffer several problems that throw the claimants further away from the target truth.

For instance, no one to our knowledge had studied especially the Bible or Koran to become a surgeon, mechanic, pilot and such, neither do we study any of the two as requirement for any fundamental human endeavor. Here I am saying without the two, life would go on, probably more smoother in some cases...

So if the Bible or Koran is not made to behave like an interactable oracle much like ChatGPT and the likes, then those things should be referred to as "Old Word of God".

Cont'd.

One can be understanding with Christians and their Islamic counterparts when they make claims on the completeness of their scriptures on truth if one looks at it from a metaphorical or symbolic angle in the sense where if one says "God created everything" in a book, than that book contains all truth sort of. This is being generous while risking throwing the baby away with the bath water.

The issue however is our brothers in the two cliques above mostly are not raised to remove the hook, the line, and the sinkers any time they meet such statements. They swallow everything as is. Anything short of that may be perceived or declared as blasphemy, apostacy, back-sliding and any of such exotic names.

Before we proceed further, we must come to make an effort at putting some flesh to the term "Living word of God" or just "Word of God".

If you want to make sense even in human terms, anything Living has one notable characteristic: It evolves, grows or changes.

Since God made everything, this characteristic is evident in all of its creation where nothing ever remains the same, and not the same thing is told everyone for ever and ever even as in the case of Moses, Adam, Jesus, Enoch, etc if we are to go with the two referenced/religions above.

So if an intelligent being we would call 'God' is to issue out a (living) word to a Moses today, they would definitely not go back to the the word issued 2,000 years ago. The message will cut through to present events and circumstances.

It will not be wildly unrelated and require the interesting but absurd Israelification and Arabification that must occur for the message to be made relevant at all cost.

A living word/God will meet you in your identity because it made provisions for you or it knows and acknowledges you in the present tense/state, not an after-thought copy-and-patch kind of setting.

chieveboy:
Before we proceed further, we must come to make an effort at putting some flesh to the term "Living word of God" or just "Word of God".

If you want to make sense even in human terms, anything Living has one characteristic: It evolves.

Since God made everything, this characteristic is evident in all of its creation where nothing ever remains the same, and not the same thing is told everyone for ever and ever even as in the case of Moses, Adam, Jesus, Enoch, etc if we are to go with the two referenced/religions above.

So if an intelligent being we would call 'God' is to issue out a (living) word to a Moses today, they would definitely not go back to the the word issued 2,000 years ago. The message will cut through to present events and circumstances.

It will not be wildly unrelated and require the interesting Israelification that must occur for the message to be made relevant at all cost.

A living word/God will meet you in your identity because it made provisions for you or it knows and acknowledges you in the present tense/state, not an after-thought copy and patch kind of setting.

What are you driving at.
Speak, I bid you, I conjure you.

DeepSight:
What are you driving at.
Speak, I bid you, I conjure you.

lol getting there. Don't let that truth speaker guy catch you conjuring chieveboy. You risking Holygoes faya

lol, just kidding

So with static books compiled from sources or authors whose qualifications in matters of life oscillates around petty trading, agriculture, Jewish theology/mysticism, carpentry and other 'hand works', one would of course not have anything living in that static book in the actual sense of it.
Living involves motion. If the Bible and Koran was in video form, then you can say you have some degree of nearness to true 'Living Word'.

Also important is that the social, political, technological and scientific circumstances and gap today is so widely different that creations of people in modern times would be termed "flying horse" and "chariots of fire" as they did back then. Our technologies might be worshiped and deemed "Holy".

It is said that the things Christ did ( not touching on God himself), the whole books in the world would not contain it. This could be true, but only for that age.


If you consider that not so many books or paper where available at the time that statement was made, and Nvidia had not invented say the Blackwell chip, yes ; but today? I don't think so!

Heck we can even do it with chips that can fit a school bag and have more capability and capacity to store a hundred times more the whole books ever written!

chieveboy:
It is said that the things Christ did ( not touching on God himself), the whole books in the world would not contain it. This could be true, but only for that age.


If you consider that not so many books or paper where available at the time that statement was made, and Nvidia had not invented say the Blackwell chip, yes ; but today? I don't think so!

Heck we can even do it with chips that can fit a school bag and have more capability and capacity to store a hundred times more the whole books ever written!

Out with it. I conjure you.

Dtruthspeaker, do you know why your comments are usually deleted? It carries too much negative vibration.

Usually by your fruits, we know you.

For any book to pass as the Living word of God hence, it must be able to be questioned and it provides tailored and unique answers in real time back to the user.

It is the word of God regardless of subject in that all creation runs back to "...in the begining God said..."

Think of it as an oracle.

All the spring offs of Sat... are showing themselves.

Which surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc did not become these things by learning how to deal with people and solve problems?

Dtruthspeaker:
All the spring offs of Sat... are showing themselves.

Which surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc did not become these things by learning how to deal with people and solve problems?

As the able truth speaker, I think you stand a better chance at identifying the pilots, surgeons, mechanics, etc who studied the Bible or the Koran and learned or qualified to be Pilots and so on.

chieveboy:
For any book to pass as the Living word of God hence, it must be able to be questioned and it provides tailored and unique answers in real time back to the user.

It is the word of God regardless of subject in that all creation runs back to "...in the begining God said..."

Think of it as an oracle.

If so, all current LLMs (ChatGPT, Claude, Kimi, etc) are closer to being a truer and actual living word of God than the Bible and Koran.
They contain and can serve information on virtually all walks of life and counting.

They do not suffer the dead-end and closed-loop problem the religious books we referenced suffer that poses a great question whether God was done with working with mankind and having this speeches by God documented.

chieveboy:
As the able truth speaker, I think you stand a better chance at identifying the pilots, surgeons, mechanics, etc who studied the Bible or the Koran and learned or qualified to be Pilots and so on.

Sat. An babythat is why I asked you Which surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc did not become these things by learning how to deal with people and solve problems?

The burden of proof is on you to show which surgeon, mechanic, pilot who just became those things and they never dealt with people nor had any problems to solve.

Dtruthspeaker:
Sat. An babythat is why I asked you Which surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc did not become these things by learning how to deal with people and solve problems?

The burden of proof is on you to show which surgeon, mechanic, pilot who just became those things and they never dealt with people nor had any problems to solve.

The act of dealing with people is called sociology not theology. Pilots, surgeons, mechanics do not study sociology in school. What is your point?

chieveboy:
The act of dealing with people is called sociology not theology. Pilots, surgeons, mechanics do not study sociology in school. What is your point?

Who asked you to define what the art of dealing with people?

At least it is clear now that you cannot show any surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc who became these things without dealing with people and not solving problems.
See it sat ann baby do you see now why Fail you.ris your wage.is?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who asked you to define what the art of dealing with people?

Sorry sir, defining it meant shedding light into it, and I see some people do not do well anywhere light is shed or exists...[/quote]

At least it is clear now that you cannot show any surgeon, mechanic, pilot etc who became these things without dealing with people and not solving problems.
See it sat ann baby do you see now why Fail you.ris your wage.is?

Hallucinations ongoing.

If you come back from it, I said no one studies the bible to become pilot, etc... I did not say anything in the region of "dealing with people". Moreover, people don't not still study the bible to be able to deal with people.

Dtruthspeaker Nairalands's angel of light deleted your dark post.

I noticed most of your post are always deleted. Is that you cannot do without producing bad fruits as posts?

COOOORECT BECAUSE AI DOESN'T HAVE DOUBLE MIND.
AI IS NOT SELFISH.

So the Bible if it must have some form of dynamism that is reflective of the Holy Spirit (a dynamic creative force behind all things) must frequently be updated to be a living body of knowledge. This is what a Bible actually means. For the Koran, well...

An argument can even be made for several people who contributed to Christianity in the olden days and today. There are folks who suffered and sacrificed far more than some of the disciples of Christ.

Their work deserve a place in the annals of history in the Bible.

Wait until AI accomplishes the Good works the Bible is doing among it's real adherents first!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Wait until AI accomplishes the Good works the Bible is doing among it's real adherents first!🙂

We clearly do not understand what this topic is about. You didn't get the gist

chieveboy:
We clearly do not understand what this topic is about. You didn't get the gist

The topic speaks in volumes.
So what can AI do besides the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
The topic speaks in volumes.
So what can AI do besides the Bible?

Why don't we talk about the much you can do without the Bible using AI?

chieveboy:
Why don't we talk about the much you can do without the Bible using AI?

Before you make comparison why not ask for understanding regarding what the Bible Author intended to achieve with the book?

MaxInDHouse:
Before you make comparison why not ask for understanding regarding what the Bible Author intended to achieve with the book?

We will be detailing this thread if we thread this route about the authorship of the Bible...Moreover I once asked you in another thread about the biblical bases of the Bible, you failed to respond till date.

This thread if I should summarise speaks about the inadequacy of a static book to properly bear the identity of a "Living (word)". By the barest definition, it is not dynamic by way of accepting updates of content.

This closed-loop and dead-end nature of the book not growing beyond the ancient 66 books actually is what the opposite of living (or dynamic) looks like.

Earlier, I argued that even in terms of going by what a Bible literally means, there are several contributors to the work of Christianity that far outweighs the disciples in terms of sacrifices made, martyrdoms suffered, etc.

What exactly is the intention of the One who Authored the Bible?

If His intentions aren't met that is when you can talk of inadequacy but when it has been achieved while you are looking elsewhere how will you know that AI is nothing besides the Bible?

Well God arranged that a book should be written so that all adherents of this book can form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Of course you will be looking at all the religions claiming Christians as you don't know the identifying mark of true Christians otherwise no critical thinker will argue that the Bible has not achieved what no book or scientific discovery could ever achieve in the next one million years to come!🙂

chieveboy:
We will be detailing this thread if we thread this route about the authorship of the Bible...Moreover I once asked you in another thread about the biblical bases of the Bible, you failed to respond till date. This thread if I should summarise speaks about the inadequacy of a static book to properly bear the identity of a "Living (word)". By the barest definition, it is not dynamic by way of accepting updates of content. This closed-loop and dead-end nature of the book not growing beyond the ancient 66 books actually is what the opposite of living (or dynamic) looks like. Earlier, I argued that even in terms of going by what a Bible literally means, there are several contributors to the work of Christianity that far outweighs the disciples in terms of sacrifices made, martyrdoms suffered, etc.