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Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy:
unitysheart:
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Christians?

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:

We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
We offer our prayers in Jesus’ name.—John 15:16.
We believe that Jesus is the Head, or the one appointed to have authority, over every man.—1 Corinthians 11:3.
However, in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian. For example, we believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not part of a Trinity. (Mark 12:29) We do not believe that the soul is immortal, that there is any basis in Scripture for saying that God tortures people in an everlasting hell, or that those who take the lead in religious activities should have titles that elevate them above others.—Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 23:8-10.

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/
You quote scriptures you know little or nothing much about, the context is changed and you feel comfortable.

• Jesus' name is not just under heaven, it's the authority in the heaven, in the earth and beneath
• Jesus is not just the head, He is God! God, revealing himself in the flesh.
• Unbelievers are to be baptised in the powers and name of the Trinity, after the persons must have believed that Jesus died and rose again to justify him and then confesses salvation with his mouth.
• The soul/spirit is eternal, the flesh is what is temporary.
• Not God torturing people, but they would be condemned to lipsrsealed hell, for those who are unrepentant and die in their sins, the devil of course and his agents, does the torture.
• Before God everyone is equal, but there are ministers of God, pastors, bishops, evangelist e.t.c. do they have any rare privilege, no! The only thing is they occupy church positions, there are members more closer to God than the pastors in that church. God is not a respecter of persons, He works with the heart. If he calls you, he gives you the backing to stand and to lead his people, that is it.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:18pm On May 03
Tilewizy:
Jehovas witness I have come across live very calm and peaceful lives in most cases worthy of emulation.
Matthew 5:14-16
You think Jehovah's Witnesses are like your church people who don't know what they really need regarding faith?
Well continue deceiving yourself!🙂
Tilewizy:
You quote scriptures you know little or nothing much of and the context is changed and you feel comfortable.
• Jesus' name is not just under heaven, it's the authority in the heaven, in the earth and beneath
• Jesus is not just the head, He is God! God, revealing himself in the flesh.
• Unbelievers are to be baptised in the powers and name of the Trinity, after the persons must have believed that Jesus died and rose again to justify him and the confesses salvation with his mouth.
• The soul/spirit is eternal, the flesh is what is temporary.
• Not God torturing people, but they would be condemned to lipsrsealed hell, for those who are unrepentant and die in their sins, the devil of course, does the torture.
• Before God everyone is equal, but there are ministers of God, pastors, bishops, evangelist e.t.c. do they have any rare privilege, no! The only thing is they occupy church positions, there are members more closer to God than the pastors in that church. God is not a respecter of persons, He works with the heart. If he calls you, he gives you the backing to stand and to lead his people, that is it.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:15pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)
1. Luke 22:19 & Paul's epistle of 1 Corinthians 15,Christ handed to Paul, the commemoration (Memorial ) of Jesus death.
Why should I do something different that Master jesus didn't instruct us to do?

2. I don't get what you mean,pls explain or expatiate.
3. Did Jesus agree with the old testament that holy spirit is God's finger?
Yes.
Oga, which believer in your Bible had a one on one dialogue with holy spirit?
4. Paul wrote "Imitate me as I imitate Christ".
Oga, did Paul & Jesus worship triune spirits?

Your response very welcome.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:18pm On May 12
unitysheart:
Alright sir.

No need to argue with you.

Thanks.
How can you imitate Jesus & worship more than one spirit?
I want to see the Revelation that Mr Tilewizy received from Jesus.
grin
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:20pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
It can not be argument, because when the truth of the gospel is preached every false teaching/doctrine would bow. For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Being a Christian is a daily walk (relationship) with God (the Trinity combined) and having an encounter with Him.
Which of them be the Him?
grin grin
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:30pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
By the grace of God I have grown to a point where God speaks to me in various ways. Of course, thank God for great men of God who have taught us the knowledge of God's word and its application from onset.

Jeremiah 3:15 - And I will give you pastors/Shepherds according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Only your organisation have a separate bible where certain sentences or narration in other versions are changed, and you feel it's not a problem. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong?
• The word of God is twisted deliberately and you are brain washed to completely derail from the very essence of the knowledge of truth. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong.

The scriptures below shows the true witnesses -

• Matthew 28:19-20 - “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

• Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

• Luke 24:46-49 - “And said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

• Acts 22:15 - “For you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard.”

• Luke 21:13-15 - “This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.”
Oga, do you really have proof for your claims?
Pls , by all means present it.
Everyone should see it , pls.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:33pm On May 12
Janosky:
Oga, do you really have proof for your claims?
Pls , by all means present it.
Everyone should see it , pls.
Just as their Daddy G.O drank tea with their God nah!🙂
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:53pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
You just quote the Bible without knowing the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!😀

Having a form of godliness: shouting and disturbing the neighborhood with noise of their worship and prayers.

Denying the power of God's word:
Unable to produce the fruit worthy of emulation.
In one high brow neighborhood in a major city of this country,our kingdom hall is the only place of worship approved in that area where high ranking people in Govt dwell & work.
Our Bible study meetings & the congregation environment is epitome of serenity & beauty.
No noise pollution.


Pursue peace with all men, Paul's epistle to believers.
How do you heed that epistle of Paul when you can't bring peace and calm to your neighborhood?

Screenshot evidence.

Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:55pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Just as their Daddy G.O drank tea with their God nah!🙂
The matter vex many church leaders in christendom.
grin grin
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 11:02pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
My earnest prayers is that the Holy spirit of God, open your all your eyes to know Jesus Christ (God)

The workings of God are beyond the proscription of human organisations. Rather it's a call to personal fellowship with Him (God, the Father! God, the Son! and God, the Holy Spirit) [The Trinity]!
No even bound by Church doctrine.

Check the Nicene creed below"

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen."


Anything outside the above I'm afraid, it's not Christianity.
Nicene Creed is church doctrine of men , not holy bible of God Almighty.

https://www.nairaland.com/8621414/emperor-constantine-promulgated-fallacious-nicene
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by cornelboy(f): 1:55am On May 13
Janosky:
Which of them be the Him?
grin grin
Gbam
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:25am On May 13
Janosky:
Nicene Creed is church doctrine of men , not holy bible of God Almighty.

https://www.nairaland.com/8621414/emperor-constantine-promulgated-fallacious-nicene
That is the foundation of all of Christain faith. Anything outside it, isn't Christianity. I would say this again and again.

You can go ahead and say our bible is corrupted and we are influenced by pagan doctrine. Na you sabi.

At the end of time, everyone one would come to the knowledge of truth.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:28am On May 13
Tilewizy:
At the end of time, everyone one would come to the knowledge of truth.
If you're sure of this then you shouldn't have jumped into the thread in the first place!🙂
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:29am On May 13
Janosky:
Oga, do you really have proof for your claims?
Pls , by all means present it.
Everyone should see it , pls.
Present what for you?
Any prove you are looking for, go to the word of God and look for it.

Even when you see, feel and touch, you wouldn't know which is genuine. It's that simple.

Spiritual things aren't discerned by the physical impression.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:31am On May 13
Janosky:
Which of them be the Him?
grin grin
Respect is accorded in the writing when you talking about the God head, instead of "him", it rather "Him", whether it starts the sentence or it's in the middle.

Him refers to God the Father, or God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost. The three are One!
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:33am On May 13
MaxInDHouse:
If you're sure of this then you shouldn't have jumped into the thread in the first place!🙂
I'm not ashamed of the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation.

Don't blame me, I can't help it when I hear or see a false doctrine that mimics Christainity or any avenue or forum where we can share the gospel, oh my brother, I just see myself jumping in.. grin
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:36am On May 13
Janosky:
How can you imitate Jesus & worship more than one spirit?
I want to see the Revelation that Mr Tilewizy received from Jesus.
grin
Its there for you and for everyone.

Jere 29:13 - And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:45am On May 13
Tilewizy:
I'm not ashamed of the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation.
Don't blame me, I can't help it when I hear or see a false doctrine that mimics Christainity or any avenue or forum where we can share the gospel, oh my brother, I just see myself jumping in.. grin
First of all a true believer will never ever say:
Tilewizy:
At the end of time, everyone one would come to the knowledge of truth.
Because it's only believers in Christ can know the truth and get set free.

Secondly you can call anyone your brother even when you claim such a person subscribe to a false doctrine but my own brothers are only members of my faith while everyone else is my neighbor!🙂
Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy:
Janosky:
1. Luke 22:19 & Paul's epistle of 1 Corinthians 15,Christ handed to Paul, the commemoration (Memorial ) of Jesus death.
Why should I do something different that Master jesus didn't instruct us to do?

2. I don't get what you mean,pls explain or expatiate.
3. Did Jesus agree with the old testament that holy spirit is God's finger?
Yes.
Oga, which believer in your Bible had a one on one dialogue with holy spirit?
4. Paul wrote "Imitate me as I imitate Christ".
Oga, did Paul & Jesus worship triune spirits?

Your response very welcome.
It's funny how I hear people talk about God's word like this. They start by saying, where did God tell us to do this or that? It's hilarious.

Do you know God called us to fellowship and have dominion over his entire creation on earth. He never created robots who He must instruct on what to do in each time. Adam named the animals one after the other, and it was recorded that the same name God had named them in His heart, was what Adam called them. That's divine instinct and wisdom. That is what I'm talking about. This is what the death of Jesus christ has restored us to for those who believe.

In fact He called Abraham his friend. Abraham was bargaining with Him (God) about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and there are people like that till today in this generation, they are called God's watchmen.

You don't even have idea about the relationship of men and God, you are busy locked up looking in the Bible you don't even understand, checking where He said you do this or do that. Don't get me wrong, the basic understanding in keeping God's law and commandments are sacrosanct, although, you need the enablement of the Holyspirit.

Jesus calls us to grow in the word of God, till a point, you fellowship with your Father in heavenat heart.

Please referencee our bibles verses.

But let me leave you with this.
When a man is born again, he receives the spirit of the word is wisdom, the spirit of the word of Knowledge and the the spirit of discernment heart or spirit.

That is why it is written:

Romans 8: 14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1Corinthans 2:4 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That is why, you don't need God to tell you verbally or allow it to be written palinly for you to do a whole lot of things that pertains both your physical life and your spiritual life.

John 16:12 - I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

• The Holyspirit is not a feeling, He is a personality! That brings us to the knowledge of God's wisdom and helps us discern God's word and ways for our lives.

• He reveals the mysteries in God's word and helps us in worshiping God and in times of intercession importantly

• The Holy Spirit is our great comforter and teacher.

• He is God residing in us. For our bodies is His temple.

• He speaks to us and rebukes us when we have done wrong to seek repentance

• He helps us live a godly life, amongst many more...

Revelation 3:20 - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
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