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Ray07:
Didn't I say his Great in the end. City fans and anger

yomi531:
Stories. Man Utd was trash when Fergie took over in 1986. They were 11th or so on the table. I have tapes on the Fergie era in my family house. They went 26 long years without the league title.

elder1002:
The best there was and there is

4 premier league in a row

Set the bar so high that you need to be consistent to win the league cup.

Master tactician and strategist

Converts average players to play one of the beautiful football ever seen in premier league


The best manager there ever was in premier league.

Pep




*Why Pep edges Fergie in the first 10 years*

Look at it straight up: *20 trophies in 10 years vs 6*. That’s not a small gap.

*1. He won more, and he won bigger*
Pep’s haul at City from 2016-2026:

*6 Premier Leagues,
1 Champions League,
5 League Cups,
3 FA Cups,
3 Community Shields,
1 UEFA Super Cup,
1 Club World Cup*.

That’s 4 titles in a row from 2021-2024 – no English club has ever done that. 100 points, 98 points, 93 points seasons. He didn’t just win, he broke the ceiling of what winning looks like in the PL.

Fergie in his first 10 years at United 1986-1996:
*3 PLs,
1 FA Cup,
1 League Cup,
1 Cup Winners’ Cup*.

Respect to the rebuild, but the output isn’t close.

*2. He did it in a tougher league*

Pep’s City had to beat peak Klopp Liverpool, this Arsenal team, and a Chelsea side spending crazy money just to get to May with the title. Every game in the PL now is a fight. Fergie’s early dominance came before the money flooded in and before every mid-table team had a tactical coach and data team.

*3. He changed the game, not just his club*
Go to any academy or watch any PL game now and you’ll see Pep’s fingerprints. Inverted fullbacks, controlled possession, pressing traps, false nines. Managers across Europe copied him because it worked. Fergie was a master man-manager and could adapt, but he didn’t set the tactical blueprint for the next 20 years.

*4. He delivered in Europe when it mattered*

City’s first ever Champions League in 2023, plus 6 straight semis in 10 years. The UCL now is a minefield – every knockout tie is against another billion-pound squad. Fergie didn’t even get to a UCL final in his first 10 years.

*5. He kept it going without falling off*
Pep rebuilt that City squad 3 times. KDB aging, Aguero leaving, Cancelo drama, still they win. The system outlives the players. Fergie’s first 10 years was about building the culture. Once it was built, the trophies came in waves. Pep had the waves immediately.

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Fergie built United from the ground up and that deserves respect. But if we’re talking pure results, dominance, and impact on the game in the first 10 years, *Pep’s numbers and influence are on another level*.

20 trophies. 4 in a row. Changed how football is played. That’s the argument.

IndexMode:
The guy cheated hundred percent.
He has never managed a small club and he never will.
City bought players like Aguero at outrageous prices for him to thrive. Their squad depth was so vast that 3rd team was better than several others. In fact I respect Brighton coach more than him.
Good riddance that football has now moved on from someone bringing in oil or drug money and buying all the top players without actually making any financial returns for the business. Just mercenary style wins. That financial fair play is necessary.
He wouldn't have won so many matches without such a star array.

Mourinho criticized him with that same poit also, that he cheated. And he's right.

richmond500:
City has won the league before

elder1002:
The best there was and there is

4 premier league in a row

Set the bar so high that you need to be consistent to win the league cup.

Master tactician and strategist

Converts average players to play one of the beautiful football ever seen in premier league


The best manager there ever was in premier league.

Pep




*Why Pep edges Fergie in the first 10 years*

Look at it straight up: *20 trophies in 10 years vs 6*. That’s not a small gap.

*1. He won more, and he won bigger*
Pep’s haul at City from 2016-2026:

*6 Premier Leagues,
1 Champions League,
5 League Cups,
3 FA Cups,
3 Community Shields,
1 UEFA Super Cup,
1 Club World Cup*.

That’s 4 titles in a row from 2021-2024 – no English club has ever done that. 100 points, 98 points, 93 points seasons. He didn’t just win, he broke the ceiling of what winning looks like in the PL.

Fergie in his first 10 years at United 1986-1996:
*3 PLs,
1 FA Cup,
1 League Cup,
1 Cup Winners’ Cup*.

Respect to the rebuild, but the output isn’t close.

*2. He did it in a tougher league*

Pep’s City had to beat peak Klopp Liverpool, this Arsenal team, and a Chelsea side spending crazy money just to get to May with the title. Every game in the PL now is a fight. Fergie’s early dominance came before the money flooded in and before every mid-table team had a tactical coach and data team.

*3. He changed the game, not just his club*
Go to any academy or watch any PL game now and you’ll see Pep’s fingerprints. Inverted fullbacks, controlled possession, pressing traps, false nines. Managers across Europe copied him because it worked. Fergie was a master man-manager and could adapt, but he didn’t set the tactical blueprint for the next 20 years.

*4. He delivered in Europe when it mattered*

City’s first ever Champions League in 2023, plus 6 straight semis in 10 years. The UCL now is a minefield – every knockout tie is against another billion-pound squad. Fergie didn’t even get to a UCL final in his first 10 years.

*5. He kept it going without falling off*
Pep rebuilt that City squad 3 times. KDB aging, Aguero leaving, Cancelo drama, still they win. The system outlives the players. Fergie’s first 10 years was about building the culture. Once it was built, the trophies came in waves. Pep had the waves immediately.

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Fergie built United from the ground up and that deserves respect. But if we’re talking pure results, dominance, and impact on the game in the first 10 years, *Pep’s numbers and influence are on another level*.

20 trophies. 4 in a row. Changed how football is played. That’s the argument.

Lamasta:
Some of you arguement is laughable, do you know how much Arteta alone has spent since he took over at Arsenal what has he won to show the outrageous budget spent on the club? I pray they win a trophy this time to justify all the money invested on him, Chelsea bought first team and second team what did they win? rather they are a shadow of themselves, Liverpool spent over 500m on players this season what was their achievement with it Its one thing to buy its another thing to manage and get result and that's where a good manager comes like Pep.....

If you are good at what you do you will always excel with or without noise

Princejuddy:
Arteta will turn epl to farmers league

ARISHEM:
Man city should sit down and think deeply on this decision they are about to make.
Allowing him to go and replace him with the Chelsea Mascara might be dangerous decision.

He must be eyeing the Madrid job

Daguccizgreat:
No one is arguing with you boy, am only educating you on the game of football. Pep only run to clubs with large squard and even with everything available at his disposal at Bayern, he could not play even UCL final in 3 Years

Shikena:
He did well then he started crumbling. Ferguson rebuilt his team multiple times and even won with kids. He doesn't have to replace a goalkeeper or full back multiple times with fat checkbook until it's right. That approach was not allowed at Bayern Munich and Pep couldn't weave any magic.

They are both great.

engrchykae:
Pep is the greatest.
He is the Messi of managers.
Setting the records so high that people in the future will think it's AI
In Barcelona, he won 14 trophies in 4 years.
Then nonsense English fans said he can't do such in EPL
The Messi of managers came to Epl and turned it into farmers league by going treble twice and winning the Epl 4 times in a row

ericmor:
That thing people were saying he can’t do it in England is mostly common with Nigeria people. Now they are not saying anything and saying he spent too much. Abeg, Liverpool and Chelsea and even Arsenal self should show us what they got with all the money spent last season. I think only arteta is using the opportunity well even tho we are still hoping for the EPL and champions league. I believe Arsenal already got the league

ericmor:
So moriho with the same best squad played in the final with Chelsea and Madrid. You can now see that you are the one need to be schooled

ARISHEM:
Man city should sit down and think deeply on this decision they are about to make.
Allowing him to go and replace him with the Enzo Mascara might be dangerous decision.

He must be eyeing the Madrid job

Lamasta:
Some of you arguement is laughable, do you know how much Arteta alone has spent since he took over at Arsenal what has he won to show the outrageous budget spent on the club? I pray they win a trophy this time to justify all the money invested on him, Chelsea bought first team and second team what did they win? rather they are a shadow of themselves, Liverpool spent over 500m on players this season what was their achievement with it Its one thing to buy its another thing to manage and get result and that's where a good manager comes like Pep.....

If you are good at what you do you will always excel with or without noise

IndexMode:
Nothing laughable about fact.
Over the past 15 years, Manchester City has spent €2.6 billion on top players. It was only in the last 4 years they slowed down.
Others started picking up spending that time. But it's still close net spend. Arsenal certainly improved too. Chelsea resell some for net positive.

City has been buying players down even before he came. Since the days they raided Arsenal for Clichy, kolo Toure, Sagna, Nasri etc.
Arsenal fans were always booing. Trying to shame them that's its all about the money. Adebayor mocked them back.

Every club lost a star to them. It's like an all-stars team.

When guardiola came he still spent over a billion of his own too.
Any average coach will easily replicate those cups with those players.

It is whataboutism as an argument that is actually laughable.

Lamasta:
The last 10 years bring out the data of what top 6 clubs have spent and what they have achieved let's see

Below is net spend for the past 5 years and their achievement

https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city

Princejuddy:
Arteta will turn epl to farmers league

IndexMode:
We're talking guardiola 10 years era u are talking of last 5 years. Even when City reduced spending and others just turned up, it's still the same category of spending.
Something I even already mentioned.

That same site you showed contained the last 15 years.

What did city achieve in the first 6 years after Ethihad takeover and they started spending too.
Guardiola spent over a billion as soon as he first came. Untop spent funds already & now he's bragging that he achieved.

Yet he won only 1 championships league. Even Tottenham reach final.

Mancini already turned the tide for city. This guy was never a special coach.
No special tactics. Just manages ego of big players well.

richmond500:
He is the greatest coach ever to walk the planet.
Not even Ferguson comes close

Lamasta:
Post the 10 years of Pep how much City spent and others let's compare no by cho cho cho

ericmor:
Convert average player to great player means you know football bcs most people don’t know that and they keep arguing that those players were world class players before he got them, why some don’t even know when and where he got them from and start calling them the best forgotten that guardiola made them.

About the fergi competition, pep did it when premier league is more competitive and clubs were recruiting more professional coaches and players. Who could believe that fergi only won 2 champions league after so many years with Man U. The different is clear, pep is the real boss

Shikena:
He did well then he started crumbling. Ferguson rebuilt his team multiple times and even won with kids. He doesn't have to replace a goalkeeper or full back multiple times with fat checkbook until it's right. That approach was not allowed at Bayern Munich and Pep couldn't weave any magic.

They are both great.

Kalulu44:
They play you hear. Unknown players bought for 50,60,70 and above million pounds.
Can you show me any player Pep has bought below £20m

Daguccizgreat:
I know you have not started watching football when Mou won UCL title with Porto in 2004. Let Pep go to Villarreal or Sevilla and win UCL tittle

ericmor:
If not that u will use Google, I would have asked you to mentioned the team in played against in that final and the best player. But na AI and good Dey help una Gen Z. That aside. How did that answer my question? I am sure u didn’t even know he did not win UCL with those big clubs

ericmor:
That is the new market. Did any of the other top club bought a player of 20m too? That’s the question you should ask yourself. Clubs don’t sell to English club for cheap price anymore, most especially man city. Understand the system and stop arguing unnecessarily. I bet you don’t even know most of those players before he bought them and those u even know are bcs they play in the EPL against your team

WhiteIverson:
My oga I know you're an Arsenal fan
Come do giveaway 😅

Shikena:
Tufiakwa, I'm not an Arsenal fan o. Make una enjoy your temporary reprieve before another trophyless spell