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Poll: If you had 100 million naira, which one would you invest it in??

Equity/Stock. 22% (2 votes)
MMF. 55% (5 votes)
Fixed Income Fund. 11% (1 vote)
Treasury Bill/ Commercial papers. 11% (1 vote)
This poll has ended

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Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 7:27pm On May 20
Haha, I'm not into Koru; however, I just bought Intel.

Iamblessed8888:
Exactly Bro. That’s the plan. Dont put all your funds in koru o grin better to do sound stocks of solid companies like Amazon and co
Re: Equity Investment. by Beeron: 7:36pm On May 20
Emzedz:
So na to withdraw or hold.. cos I can't keep watchin my portfolio reduce..
Zedcrest n paramount n Cs beware.
lol, don't get scared. That's why it's called investment. Every loss is a paper loss until you withdraw your money to physical cash.

ASI ran up too high and too fast, so it only trying to correct itself before things gets back to normal.

The market operate in a zig zag pattern and that's how money is made.
Re: Equity Investment. by ollypass: 8:29pm On May 20
Beeron:
lol, don't get scared. That's why it's called investment. Every loss is a paper loss until you withdraw your money to physical cash.

ASI ran up too high and too fast, so it only trying to correct itself before things gets back to normal.

The market operate in a zig zag pattern and that's how money is made.
in essence for every 60-80% green 🍏 expect a 20-40% pullback for the market to course correct before going on another run ..this should be the equity long term investor perspective ...when I figured this out, I gave my self peace and stopped trying to figure out how to stop Yakubu from wiping my gains short term...if it was trading you were doing ,then you can apply a stop loss to your set up or set up your exit if your modest in T.A. so you cash out before a trade hits the reversal. ( berom this isn't replying to you but the other bro looking for how to bail out smiley )
Re: Equity Investment. by ollypass: 8:37pm On May 20
Beeron:
In my opinion about TA and FA debate. TA wins 70% of the time?

Why?

The simple truth is regardless of how solid the FA is, right; the market is still a bubble at the end of the day, even the economy is a bubble in itself, the struggle of not making that bubble burst is why government issues Tbill, Bond and OMO and buy them back. Now the day government fails to pay back or buy back, the bubble will burst, MMF will fail, bond will fail, Tbills will fail, omo will fail. Economy collapse.

Same with trading stocks using FA — again — No matter how solid FA is, the players in the market will ensure a bubble build because if a bubble don't build no one will take profit and no one will buy the stock in the first place. That's why TA comes in.

Now with TA, I can calmly sit in front of my computer and see the irrational buyers, the rational buyer, the noise and the quietness in the market as well as the opportunity and when to enter and leave, even if I don't know what the company is manufacturing, the fact that I can tell the best time to buy thier stock, make money and dump it is such a powerful flex because, in the long run, you will beat the market, compound your money faster and avoid crash in the event that that bad news hit the company and everyone are dumping their stock.

TA wins any day but it's hard to master TA however, FA is out there in the open for easy accessibility but TA takes time and experience to learn and master. But once you have good grasp of it, even in your 70s and 80s, you will still be trading stocks and continue to beat the market, no retirement.
So a practical case study question for you bro, I haven't seen the ASI chart so I don't know how far into over sold territory we are or how far down we need to go from the technicals ...but what impact do you think the fundamental news of the Dangote IPO would have on the charts as we approach it's launch ? Do you feel T.A. will run it's course either way or we will experience a market reversal due to fresh liquidity courtesy of the IPO before the dip gets any dipper?
Re: Equity Investment. by Beeron: 8:46pm On May 20
ollypass:
in essence for every 60-80% green 🍏 expect a 20-40% pullback for the market to course correct before going on another run ..this should be the equity long term investor perspective ...when I figured this out, I gave my self peace and stopped trying to figure out how to stop Yakubu from wiping my gains short term...if it was trading you were doing ,then you can apply a stop loss to your set up or set up your exit if your modest in T.A. so you cash out before a trade hits the reversal. ( berom this isn't replying to you but the other bro looking for how to bail out smiley )
I get your point and I know it's intended for the other brother.

The thing is Equity fund usually don't have stop loss, that's stock trading prerequisite.

And secondly, the thing with loss is, not everyone know how to manage their emotion, while some can manage their emotion but, they still just don't know how Equity fund works.

Whether you are a beginner investor or a pro, only one thing is expected of you and that's patience.
Re: Equity Investment. by Beeron: 9:02pm On May 20
ollypass:
So a practical case study question for you bro, I haven't seen the ASI chart so I don't know how far into over sold territory we are or how far down we need to go from the technicals ...but what impact do you think the fundamental news of the Dangote IPO would have on the charts as we approach it's launch ? Do you feel T.A. will run it's course either way or we will experience a market reversal due to fresh liquidity courtesy of the IPO before the dip gets any dipper?
For a start, ASI wouldn't go down like in a way of crash, Naaah, this is basically just correction going on, a twist of fate can happen tomorrow whereby if institutional money enter ZENITH, GTCO and MTN tomorrow, that same tomorrow, ASI might as well gain full strength for another bull run, so it's really a case of bubble, no one wants to be at the receiving end catching the falling knife that's why a correction is happening now. So, the answer is NO! sometimes, ASI doesn't run its full course because it human trading with emotion.

Equity fund managers know how to manage this risk that's why they don't invest all funds into stocks, some keep cash to buy the dip while some invest in fixed income to cushion the loss, so all an investor will do is wait. Only stocks traders can change their destiny by making quick decisions. That's that.

Secondly, the DANGOTE refinery IPO listing is gaining so much buzz and frenzy that I don't even feel attracted to it at all. And to answer your question, it's just hype, it has nothing to do with the market for now until the listing finally comes to the market.
Re: Equity Investment. by cyrilex202(m): 9:21pm On May 20
Your kind advice boss should I sell all equity and hold until the market is better?

Secondly this talk of dividend for equity investors like us how true?

If true when do dey usually distribute the dividend.

For someone that joined equity early March this year will I be eligible for the dividend?


Sorry for all this questions because I only started equity this year March.




Beeron:
it hasn't even started sef.
Re: Equity Investment. by Emzedz: 10:17pm On May 20
Beeron:
lol, don't get scared. That's why it's called investment. Every loss is a paper loss until you withdraw your money to physical cash.

ASI ran up too high and too fast, so it only trying to correct itself before things gets back to normal.

The market operate in a zig zag pattern and that's how money is made.
I understand. Buh nobody likes losses.. I'm an aggressive short term investor.
Re: Equity Investment. by gwinedev: 10:24pm On May 20
CS has 0.07% gain
Re: Equity Investment. by Alaska90(m): 10:51pm On May 20
CSblackpink:
Haha, I'm not into Koru; however, I just bought Intel.
Intel ? You get mind oh
Anyway I am also chasing Intel but I am using Option trading to see if I could get some.....I have a 127 sell put option on it expiring next week friday.
If I am assign my average price will be 116 which I am a bit scare of..too high. But they have paid me premieum on the contract already. So I cant lose both way.
Re: Equity Investment. by ollypass: 10:56pm On May 20
Beeron:
For a start, ASI wouldn't go down like in a way of crash, Naaah, this is basically just correction going on, a twist of fate can happen tomorrow whereby if institutional money enter ZENITH, GTCO and MTN tomorrow, that same tomorrow, ASI might as well gain full strength for another bull run, so it's really a case of bubble, no one wants to be at the receiving end catching the falling knife that's why a correction is happening now. So, the answer is NO! sometimes, ASI doesn't run its full course because it human trading with emotion.

Equity fund managers know how to manage this risk that's why they don't invest all funds into stocks, some keep cash to buy the dip while some invest in fixed income to cushion the loss, so all an investor will do is wait. Only stocks traders can change their destiny by making quick decisions. That's that.

Secondly, the DANGOTE refinery IPO listing is gaining so much buzz and frenzy that I don't even feel attracted to it at all. And to answer your question, it's just hype, it has nothing to do with the market for now until the listing finally comes to the market.
Touche!!
Re: Equity Investment. by Beeron: 10:57pm On May 20
cyrilex202:
Your kind advice boss should I sell all equity and hold until the market is better?

Secondly this talk of dividend for equity investors like us how true?

If true when do dey usually distribute the dividend.

For someone that joined equity early March this year will I be eligible for the dividend?


Sorry for all this questions because I only started equity this year March.
First question, No, you don't need to sell, infact watch out for when you see your fund start going up again, then you top up. Equity is a long term investment for those who has the patience of Vladimir Putin.

Second question — Yes, you are eligible for dividend the moment you bought into the NAV of your fund manager (either Zedcrest, CS or paramount), now the dividend is usually reinvested into the Equity fund. If you want dividend pay out type investment, hold dividend paying stock.


In summary, it really doesn't matter when you entered Equity fund, you will get dividend (to be reinvested) but you need the patience of Vladimir Putin to enable your investment compound through the circle of bull and bear seasons.

If you can exercise such patience, in the end, it will seem like your money grows like grass.
Re: Equity Investment. by SerDuncan: 11:39pm On May 20
I have a question for the gurus here please.

If you have a hundred million naira to fully invest in Nigerian equities for the next 3 years, would you choose the Cardinalstone CSOF or Zedcrest or (please share any other options).?

Kindly share your thoughts please 🙏
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 12:05am On May 21
My bank here has an option to use a third-party broker to purchase Intel and NVIDIA. After doing some detailed analysis, I decided to go with Intel. My portfolio is heavily allocated to "tech stocks."

Alaska90:
Intel ? You get mind oh
Anyway I am also chasing Intel but I am using Option trading to see if I could get some.....I have a 127 sell put option on it expiring next week friday.
If I am assign my average price will be 116 which I am a bit scare of..too high. But they have paid me premieum on the contract already. So I cant lose both way.
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 1:07am On May 21
Based on current data, I will not go for CSOF over Zedcrest if I have 100m. However, there is no way of knowing what funds will do throughout the year. My reasons for choosing Zedcrest over CSOF are:
1. Shorter holding period (90 days vs 365days)
2. Lower fees (1.99% expense ratio vs 2% mgt fee + 20% incentive fee for returns above benchmark target)

Note that Zedcrest is less than a year old and no one can predict its future performance. I learnt of both about the same time and the differnce in YTD was about 2%. Now that difference is over 20% in favor of Zedcrest.
SerDuncan:
I have a question for the gurus here please.

If you have a hundred million naira to fully invest in Nigerian equities for the next 3 years, would you choose the Cardinalstone CSOF or Zedcrest or (please share any other options).?

Kindly share your thoughts please 🙏
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 5:51am On May 21
Any updates from Zedcrest for yesterday?
Re: Equity Investment. by Dramadiddy(m): 6:21am On May 21
auschris:
Any updates from Zedcrest for yesterday?
My portfolio looks like they recorded 0.00%
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 6:49am On May 21
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Re: Equity Investment. by StockJamesStock:
SerDuncan:
I have a question for the gurus here please.

If you have a hundred million naira to fully invest in Nigerian equities for the next 3 years, would you choose the Cardinalstone CSOF or Zedcrest or (please share any other options).?

Kindly share your thoughts please 🙏
I have just subscribed to CSOF.

Thought about this question as well but in the end, the facts that the company that has been operating for almost 20 years, is recognised as one of the top stockbrokers in the country (which also means they'll have access to great deal flow) with very positive ratings from international agencies etc, all tipped the balance in favour of CSOF for me. In fact in doing my research i realised that Zedcrest has appointed CardinalStone multiple times to lead their (the broader Zedcrest Group) commercial papers issuances. So if Zedcrest trusts CardinalStone, why won't I trust them too? cheesy

20% difference in its single first year is not enough reason to invest that amount in a fund that hasn't reached 6 months old. My goal is long term capital appreciation (I don't intend to withdraw the money in the next maybe 20 years) so stability is more important than momentary gains. I guess if one was planning to withdraw in less than a year the calculus might be different.

In all, after the initial year lock-in period or a couple of years, if it looks like Zedcrest is consistently outperforming, nothing stops me from gradually moving over profits from CSOF to them or even do another bulk deposit.
Re: Equity Investment. by Goodenoch: 8:20am On May 21
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Re: Equity Investment. by Iamblessed8888: 8:44am On May 21
CSblackpink:
Thunder money will drop today across all foreign tech stocks.🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑😋🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
😂😂😂 Yakubu is deealing with us here
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 9:22am On May 21
Now updated. -0.73% return
Dramadiddy:
My portfolio looks like they recorded 0.00%
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 9:38am On May 21
Wow, "100M." CS should treat us; if not for this thread, no one wants to have any dealings with equity funds. Good luck, bro, and may God bless your investments.

StockJamesStock:
I have just subscribed to CSOF.

Thought about this question as well, but in the end, the facts that the company that has been operating for almost 20 years, is recognised as one of the top stockbrokers in the country (which also means they'll have access to great deal flow) with very positive ratings from international agencies etc, all tipped the balance in favour of CSOF for me. In fact in doing my research i realised that Zedcrest has appointed CardinalStone multiple times to lead their (the broader Zedcrest Group) commercial papers issuances. So if Zedcrest trusts CardinalStone, why won't I trust them too? cheesy

20% difference in it's single first year is not enough reason to invest that amount in a fund that hasn't reached 6 months old. My goal is long term capital appreciation (I don't intend to withdraw the money in the next maybe 20 years) so stability is more important than momentary gains. I guess if one was planning to withdraw in less than a year the calculus might be different.

In all, after the initial year lock-in period or a couple of years, if it looks like Zedcrest is consistently outperforming, nothing stops me from gradually moving over profits from CSOF to them or even do another bulk deposit.
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 9:39am On May 21
Yakubu dealt with me last week; my brain had to do a factory reset. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Iamblessed8888:
😂😂😂 Yakubu is dealing with us here
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 9:46am On May 21
Hoping for some recovery this week. Last week and the early part of this week was very bloody

CSblackpink:
Yakubu dealt with me last week; my brain had to do a factory reset. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 10:02am On May 21
Today and tomorrow are looking solid; Samsung already agreed to pay their workers well, and KOSPI and Samsung stock bounced back aggressively today. However, I'm hoping the USA and Iran come to an agreement soon, as the market is always reacting negatively whenever bombs start dropping.

auschris:
Hoping for some recovery this week. Last week and the early part of this week were very bloody
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 10:05am On May 21
Did you exit KORU? grin
CSblackpink:
Haha, I'm not into Koru; however, I just bought Intel.
Re: Equity Investment. by CSblackpink(m): 10:09am On May 21
I'm not trading it; my broker does not have it. Currently doing FLXK:L and some Asian stocks from Taiwan with Intel.

auschris:
Did you exit KORU? grin
Re: Equity Investment. by auschris: 10:13am On May 21
I see
CSblackpink:
I'm not trading it; my broker does not have it. Currently doing FLXK:L and some Asian stocks from Taiwan with Intel.
Re: Equity Investment. by Gratefulme:
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Re: Equity Investment. by Gratefulme: 11:06am On May 21
CSblackpink:
I'm not trading it; my broker does not have it. Currently doing FLXK:L and some Asian stocks from Taiwan with Intel.
Oh I thought you are o.
Re: Equity Investment. by Gratefulme: 11:07am On May 21
auschris:
Did you exit KORU? grin
Are you still in KORU. Want to try it for jijo, too volatile for me to hold lol.
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