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QuinQQ:
Precisely because he was 100% man.
The Holy Spirit is Not man, neither is the Father

AntiChristian:
If Jesus is 100% God and 100% man then why was he always praying to God while on earth?
➜Does the Holy Spirit pray to the father too?
➜ Does the father pray to the son or to the Holy spirit too?

AntiChristian:
Why can't the 100% man part pray to the 100% God part of Jesus and not to the father?

Jesus praying to the father means he had no God part in himself!

The Holy Spirit and the father not man means they were never one with Jesus! If they were one with Jesus then they ought to be man like Jesus!

QuinQQ:
You are not looking at it the right way. The first thing you must bear in mind is that this is not describable in human terms.
Here's a way to look at it.
God sends his consciousness to earth to have a full experience of a human. While here his consciousness prays to God because that's what humans do!

Kobojunkie:
It seems your understanding of the essence of prayer is still not grounded in that expressed in the books of the Israelite Scripture. Both agreements made by YHWH with His people, Israel(both the Constitution of the ancient nation of Israel and the Constitution of the Kingdom of God, which came later), were meant as agreements giving full authority over the lives and existence of the people to their God, YHWH. The responsibility of the promisees then was to abide by the terms and conditions of the agreement, also communicating their complaints, concerns, wants, needs, etc., i.e., pray to the promisor(YHWH) as they do so. 😒

Jesus Christ of Israel was born into the human world as an Israelite(a promisee to the agreement that was the Constitution of the ancient nation of Israel). By virtue of his birth, he was subject to the same requirements that other Israelites were born under. That includes the need to pray to the God of Israel, YHWH, who is also His Father. (He was not born above the Law.) 😒

Now, of course, the Promisor in both agreements -- YHWH -- made it clear that He would remain continuously available to the promisees either through His law, prophets, and/or spirit -- the communication channel remains open both ways. However, when we look at what YHWH communicates and what promisees communicate(pray for), we see that there is a difference to be noted. Take, for example, the prayers of David detailed in his Psalms. 😒

2. Is the Holy Spirit of YHWH under the Covenant that YHWH made with the bloodline of Jacob, aka Israel? 😒

3. When you enter into a service agreement with, say, your phone company, does your phone company depend on you to solve its problems, or do you depend on the phone company to solve your concerns, complaints, etc? 😒

AntiChristian:
Then the consciousness is not God but only human!

We are all God's consciousness on earth as God created Adam and breath the soul into him.

QuinQQ:
God CRAETED Adam. God did not create his consciousness. His consciousness is God. It's like , say, you have the ability to astral project. Then while at Ibadan you astral project to Lagos while still at Ibadan. Remember God has the ability to be in more than one place at once

AntiChristian:
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

What God created was not living until the breath of life.

And Jesus wasn't God's consciouness in the trinitarian way! God is one but three distinct persons. Each co-equal and co-eternal. That's far from consciousness.

And your description of God being everywhere, i don't see God being in flithy places like soak-aways and dump sites! He is everywhere by His knowledge and not Physically!

QuinQ:
I said God can be more than one place at once. That's what I said!
I told u to always bear in mind this is not describable in human terms. Jesus is the Son of God, but not in the human sense. It's more in the sense where a peak of Mount Everest is son of mount Everest and at same time mount Everest

AntiChristian:
The concept you are promoting is indescribable in human terms. This simply means it's a recently established view! How do the Prophets before Jesus understood God? Has God changed?

Who amongst them understood God has as three persons yet one?

God does not need to be in many places at once. He is All-seeing and All-knowing!

AntiChristian:
➜Your mumbo jumbo is too much! Jesus is said to be 100% God while also 100% human; creating an hermaphroditic combo that never existed before! The father was never human as well as the spirit. Why would a God pray to another God? Why would a God have another God?
➜ It is beleived that the persons of your Godhood are co-equal and co-eternal. If Jesus can pray to the father then it can be vice versa. So can you answer the question now?
➜ The phone company depends on me as well as their other customers to make profit and to still be relevant in business.

QuinQ:
I never said he NEEDED to be. I said he has the ability, and in the case of Jesus, did just that!

Same prophets said God would come to dwell amongst us for a while, and described how he would come and from where

AntiChristian:
God doesn't need to be with us for Him to act. He can command as He wills.

See my questions again!
How do the Prophets before Jesus understood God? Has God changed?

Who amongst them understood God has as three persons yet one?

Can you show explicitly where Jesus, father and Spirit exists together as God before Jesus?

QuinQ:
God the Son of God came for a mission, which he accomplished. If Jesus is not God, what is he? He has to be God, only, not the Father!

The Prophets knew God was more than one person (see below). His true nature became a bit clearer with coming of Christ

AntiChristian:
In Nehemiah 9:6 - You alone are the LORD.

The LORD above was El not Elohim. It is singular.

He alone is LORD. Who alone? Is it Jesus? Or Spirit or the Father?

Only one person alone!

QuinQ:
So patiently explain this Bible verse below to us

QuinQ:
God the Son of God came for a mission, which he accomplished. If Jesus is not God, what is he? He has to be God, only, not the Father!

The Prophets knew God was more than one person (see below). His true nature became a bit clearer with coming of Christ

AntiChristian:
You only read one Genesis 1:26, why don't you read the next verse and understand your scripture. You always read verses in isolation and use your Trinitarian bias to misinterpreted them. The use of "us" is not plural as the next verse showed God is one by the use of "he"! The plural is for respect!

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

So was man created in the father's image or in the son's image or in the spirit's image?

AntiChristian:
You are simply forcing your Trinitarian bias on the Bible. Jesus was forced to be God.

Jesus clearly had a God he was praying to. Does a God pray to another God?

Was Jesus praying to himself?

Mention the Prophets who believed in the trinity before Jesus and the verses that proves so?

QuinQ:
God the Son of God came for a mission, which he accomplished. If Jesus is not God, what is he? He has to be God, only, not the Father!

The Prophets knew God was more than one person (see below). His true nature became a bit clearer with coming of Christ

sonmvayina:
Maybe he was created by the Catholic church as an insult against the creator of heaven and earth.
None of the prophet in the Tanakh reported that God had a son he was sending as a sacrifice to him. According to Amos3:7 God does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophet

AntiChristian:
You only read one Genesis 1:26, why don't you read the next verse and understand your scripture. You always read verses in isolation and use your Trinitarian bias to misinterpreted them. The use of "us" is not plural as the next verse showed God is one by the use of "he"! The plural is for respect!
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in [b]his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.[/b]
So was man created in the father's image or in the son's image or in the spirit's image?

QuinQ:
Several times I've told you:
THERE IS NO HUMAN EQUIVALENT TO THE NATURE OF GOD!!! There is NO WAY you can explain it in terms of our extremely limited three-dimensional, time-and-space-constrained human perspective. Even the verses you quoted demonstrate that: he's at same time plural and singular! If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure that's the farthest from how he really is. Moslems do that, then have Allah praying for humanity! Even Trinity is a very approximate way of trying to put it. The words of Christ himself starts to convey the complexity of the relationship:
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
HOW can that not mean he's also the Father by human reasoning??
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for claiming to be God - by using the divine "I am"
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” (Because Jesus used the divine "I am"}

Kobojunkie:
Genesis 1 vs 26 answers your question. It literally tells you that the image of the Father encompasses the image of the us/our in verse 6. I mean this is literally implied in verse 27 where you are informed that both male and female images are according to the image of the Father(the Our/Us in verse 26). 😒

AntiChristian:
➜ I don't get you? Are you saying man was made in the image of the father only or the image of the triune God?
➜ Who is the only true God between the father, Jesus and Spirit?
➜ Now this is eternal life, that they may know You,the only TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. John 17:3[/size]

Kobojunkie:
1. Genesis 1 vs 26 - 27 clearly states that man was made in the image of the Us/Our, which is composed in the image of the Father.

QuinQ:
Are you saying the Carholic church wrote the Bible?

The Old Testament (OT) features hundreds of prophecies pointing to the coming of Jesus Christ.
**Bethlehem, Egypt, and Galilee, found in landmark passages such as Isaiah 7:14 and Micah 5:2.

erusalem (The Temple & The Mount of Olives)The Prophecies: Malachi 3:1 foretold that the "Lord" would suddenly come to His temple in Jerusalem. Furthermore, Zechariah 14:4 prophesied that the Messiah's feet would literally stand on the Mount of Olives.
Egypt (Place of Refuge)The Prophecy: Hosea 11:1 states, "out of Egypt I called my son."Fulfillment: This foretold the flight of the holy family to Egypt to escape King Herod's decree, followed by their eventual return.
**Galilee (Region of Ministry)The Prophecy: Isaiah 9:1-2 prophesied that a great light would dawn on the region of Galilee of the Gentiles.Fulfillment: Jesus based a vast portion of His public ministry and performed many miracles in the Galilee region, particularly around Capernaum and the Sea of Galilee.
**Genesis 3:15: Given in the Garden of Eden, this verse foretells the "seed" of the woman who would crush the serpent's head, interpreted by Christians as the first prophecy of Christ's triumph over sin.
**Isaiah 7:14: Foretold in the context of the Davidic kingdom, this declares that a virgin would conceive and bear a son called "Immanuel" (God with us).
**Isaiah 53: Often called the chapter of the "Suffering Servant," this text details the Messiah's rejection, silent suffering, and substitutionary sacrifice.

And hundreds other prophecies

AntiChristian:
➜Good! So it one God not three in one God!
➜ Is this what you are asked? Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD in John 17:3? Is Jesus EVER the ONLY TRUE GOD?

Kobojunkie:
1. Rubbish! " Let us make man in our image DOES NOT point to one. It could point to one true God, as Jesus Christ put it in John 17, but not just one entity. 😒

2. If Jesus Christ of Israel, the Eternal Life and Truth of YHWH, told you that YHWH is the only True God. Does that in some way diminish the fact that Jesus Christ of Israel shares the very essence of YHWH -- godhood? If the Spirit of YHWH is not YHWH himself, does this in some way diminish the fact that the Spirit of YHWH shares of the very essence of YHWH--- godhood?😒

sonmvayina:
1. Please read the very next verse so that your ignorance will be cured.
2. No matter how you want to paint it, Jesus is a fictional character QED