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Nefort:
You keep running around in circles each time I point out your reasoning deficiencies. Only God knows what you mean by saying "presenting himself as is" when you claim he still denies proven accusations against him like being a drug dealer and siphoning the the wealth of Lagos state.

I see you have issues with English c@mprehensi0n.

All your allegations against a man might be proven by you, that does not mean the man has accepted your allegations by presenting himself as is. He presents himself as a politician ready to work, irrespective of what you might think about him. He makes no further claims. Just as he is. Whatever you think, think it.

But don't come here saying I said Tinubu is a criminal just because you think so! That's your own thoughts, not mine. Your own allegations, not mine. All I said is that he presented himself as is. Unlike Obi who is pretending to be what he's not.

So how does that prove Obi is presenting himself as saint as you claimed? You still haven't answered.

Chai, you are not a small li@r, but a big professional one. Obi is going about presenting himself as a flawless politician! Every kid on the streets know this, yet you're here blatantly denying this truth. I have attached AI takes on the matter. I dislike lying people, but you, Nefort has taken yours to a whole new level.

Obi claimed no one can pin any form of corruption on him, Adeyanju challenged him that he is very corrupt. Obi asked him to retract or get sued. Adeyanju challenged him to.go to court. The deceiver grew cold feet and crawled back into his hole. Even when Adeyanju pestered him to make good his threat, what did the fraud do?

Attached below is what AI says about his positioning. Read and stop lying.

Who told you he doesn't reference his achievements in Anambra? Go and listen to all his interviews and come back. I previously asked you a question which you didn't answer; If you think Peter Obi failed, why did the people of Anambra vote for him for a second term? A few Nairaland posts calling him a failure doesn't matter because they are just few and likely from opposition parties. It is the votes from the collective people of Anambra that determines whether he is a failure or not.

Is this the first time incompetent incumbents perpetuate themselves in office? Was Buhari a performer? Didn't he get a second term too? Many bad performing incumbents get second terms. Yahaya Bello, Dapo Abiodun, are incompetent governors, worse than Obi who both got two tenures. That makes them good governors according to your sIow logic. Getting a second term in office is not a yardstick for measuring good governance. Or what type of reasoning is this?

Another dumb comment. The current worth of SABMiller doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that the investment was genuine and from a good intention. When people make investments they do so with hope that it yields fruits in the future. Unfortunately situation changes and not every investment turns out great. Dangote has lost money in investments. Does it mean he is a bad businessman? I am so glad to educate you.

Can you see that you're reasoning like a cock? So, Obi left all the necessary upgrades he could make into the life of Anambrans to invest in alcohol production, of all investment opportunities that exist in this world? Only alcohol was the choice of your Obi. And your Ilow lQ is still celebrating it even after it failed woefully. Didn't Obi call himself a savvy businessman?. Before going into the business, he didn't realize that the existing competitors are big enough to suffocate the new company? He didn't realize that consumers are loyal to their brands, and a new brand cannot get enough loyal following to break even, until a new generation of consumers grow to love the new brand? He didn't know that such an investment would require continuous long term profit roll-back before it can produce anything in future? He didn't realize that successive governments who might not buy the idea might not support continuous investment roll-backs in such an enterprise, and would ultimately lead to its failure? How can someone who cannot see a very simple future as this lead a country? Indeed some blind people are glad to be led by another blind man. And when they fall into a ditch, they still wouldn't wake up to sound reasoning Is that not why Obi is your leader?

Even your low analytical depth didn''t tell you all the above.You yourself , like your Obi cannot preempt the fallout of such a disastrous investment and avoid it in time? He wasted Anambra's money on such an investment that every thinking person already knows would fail. And to even think this is alcohol business, a very immoral business for a whole state? Only God can save you from your delusions. Come on, is that what you want him to come and replicate as president?
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Do you know how much revenue and employments that money would have brought in for Anambra it he had invested it in something as simple as Agriculture?

Please where did I admit he didn't do well? I only told you stop focusing only on the areas he may not have done well. There are things he actually accomplished and when you consider both the good and the bad his performance is still good. Unfortunately you want to only focus on the negative things to suit your agenda of calling him a failure. No leader on earth has a 100% score card.

The fact that you admitted that he had areas where 'he may not have done well' is just enough dent on Mr. Flawless . And that position gets stronger when those areas were highlighted, and you could not refute any.

So you want to dismiss his good efforts as irrelevant and unverified while you regard his mistakes as relevant and verified? Just because you are desperately looking for ways to support your false claims that Peter Obi is a failure and he claims to be a saint? It's just pathetic.

I have said if your list is verifiable, then, it's commendable. But, his performance is not outstanding. Yet he portrays himself as an outstanding politician. Obi is a mediocre politician where Tinubu is. The screenshots I uploaded about Tinubu's giant strides in Lagos were not a mere unverifiable list. They are governance masterpieces that were attested to for the records. Soludo can rightly position himself as an outstanding politician. I will accept such a positioning from him. Same with Alex Otti of Aba. Obi didn't do anything outstanding! There are many past Anambra state governors whose performances make Obi's tenure an absolute nonsense. Even Willie Obiano is not Obi's mate.

FxMasterz:
Chai, you are not a small li@r, but a big professional one. Obi is going about presenting himself as a flawless politician! Every kid on the streets know this, yet you're here blatantly denying this truth. I have attached AI takes on the matter. I dislike lying people, but you, Nefort has taken yours to a whole new level.

Has Obi himself ever using the phrase FLAWLESS POLITICIAN to describe himself? Please find where he described himself with those exact words. If you can't find it then please just keep quiet. It is only when he plainly says he is a flawless politician that you can accuse him of presenting himself as a flawless politician. Or else you are just making empty noise. As long as he hasn't claimed to be a flawless politician accusing him of presenting himself as a flawless is only a creation of your own imagination and not what Obi himself claimed to be.

Attached below is what AI says about his positioning. Read and stop lying.

I thought you said AI is not reliable because it depends on Obi's fake hype? So why are you now depending on AI for support?

Is this the first time incompetent incumbents perpetuate themselves in office? Was Buhari a performer? Didn't he get a second term too? Many bad performing incumbents get second terms. Yahaya Bello, Dapo Abiodun, are incompetent governors, worse than Obi who both got two tenures. That makes them good governors according to your sIow logic. Getting a second term in office is not a yardstick for measuring good governance. Or what type of reasoning is this?

So you chose to believe that Obi failed due to the few posts you saw on Nairaland plus the things you listed as his failures, but you choose NOT to believe that Obi did well due to votes he got during his re-election plus the things I listed as his achievements? You are simply picking what you want to promote your agenda that Obi is a failure while discarding what you don't want to hear that goes against your agenda.

Peter Obi and Soludo were both at a public event in Anambra and Obi got a louder ovation than Soludo. If Peter Obi was a failure why did he get a louder ovation than Soludo? Please check the link to the video and answer this question.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3249455778547789&vanity=igwemkpume

Can you see that you're reasoning like a cock? So, Obi left all the necessary upgrades he could make into the life of Anambrans to invest in alcohol production, of all investment opportunities that exist in this world? Only alcohol was the choice of your Obi. And your Ilow lQ is still celebrating it even after it failed woefully. Didn't Obi call himself a savvy businessman?. Before going into the business, he didn't realize that the existing competitors are big enough to suffocate the new company? He didn't realize that consumers are loyal to their brands, and a new brand cannot get enough loyal following to break even, until a new generation of consumers grow to love the new brand? He didn't know that such an investment would require continuous long term profit roll-back before it can produce anything in future? He didn't realize that successive governments who might not buy the idea might not support continuous investment roll-backs in such an enterprise, and would ultimately lead to its failure? How can someone who cannot see a very simple future as this lead a country? Indeed some blind people are glad to be led by another blind man. And when they fall into a ditch, they still wouldn't wake up to sound reasoning Is that not why Obi is your leader?

Even your low analytical depth didn''t tell you all the above.You yourself , like your Obi cannot preempt the fallout of such a disastrous investment and avoid it in time? He wasted Anambra's money on such an investment that every thinking person already knows would fail. And to even think this is alcohol business, a very immoral business for a whole state? Only God can save you from your delusions. Come on, is that what you want him to come and replicate as president?

Do you know how much revenue and employments that money would have brought in for Anambra it he had invested it in something as simple as Agriculture?

You are speaking so naively and trying so hard to make a point while you have none. You are not in the best position to determine what investments Anambra needed at any point in time due to the peculiar circumstances and resources available at that period. Peter Obi had economic advisers and you can't be smarter than all of them and also lacking the reliable government data that Peter Obi used to conclude that the investment may be worth it. If I ask you to forecast what you will eat tomorrow you may not even know. And you are sounding like you can easily forecast complex business and economic challenges several years ahead. It's really easier said than done. You are really so amusing. Oga go and sit down. You don't know anything about investments and accurately predict the future.

Nefort:
Has Obi himself ever using the phrase FLAWLESS POLITICIAN to describe himself? Please find where he described himself with those exact words. If you can't find it then please just keep quiet. It is only when he plainly says he is a flawless politician that you can accuse him of presenting himself as a flawless politician. Or else you are just making empty noise. As long as he hasn't claimed to be a flawless politician accusing him of presenting himself as a flawless is only a creation of your own imagination and not what Obi himself claimed to be.

See this one. He thinks everyone is duII ike himself. Must Obi use the word 'flaeless' before he implies it? Just look at the screenshots I uploaded and carry your mumism away from here.

I thought you said AI is not reliable because it depends on Obi's fake hype? So why are you now depending on AI for support?

I have noticed you need help. I said AI is not reliable because it feeds on what is available online. And since Peter Obi's hypers have hyped him as the best thing after sliced bread online, AI will tell you exactly that about Obi. Same way Peter obi has said things online and portrayed himself in a certain way, AI will tell you exactly what he has portrayed. So, what unintelligent question are you asking?

So you chose to believe that Obi failed due to the few posts you saw on Nairaland plus the things you listed as his failures, but you choose NOT to believe that Obi did well due to votes he got during his re-election plus the things I listed as his achievements? You are simply picking what you want to promote your agenda that Obi is a failure while discarding what you don't want to hear that goes against your agenda.

I chose to believe that Obi failed based on what I know of his tenure as Anambra governor. Those things I listed are not all the negatives about his government. Those things you listed are nothing compared to what many Anambra governors have done. They're all normal government activities that do not make any governor exceptional. You didn't provide any strong evidence that he was an exceptional governor. Even in the deepest recesses of your heart, you know Obi was not an exceptional governor. And before you start asking me if Tinubu was exceptional (as I have come to know how you reason), that would be another unintelligent question because Tinubu never claimed himself an exceptional presidential candidate like Obi is doing. Obi is the one who has the duty to show us what exceptional things he has done to make us believe he is exceptional as he claimed. His people were even cursing him during his tenure. Lol. Tinubu's records as Lagos Governor surpasses that of Obi, yet even Tinubu never claimed himself exceptional.

Your attempt at whitewashing that failure won't make him a better politician. Why do you think that people are calling Obi gbajue? For making himself what he's not, of course.

Peter Obi and Soludo were both at a public event in Anambra and Obi got a louder ovation than Soludo. If Peter Obi was a failure why did he get a louder ovation than Soludo? Please check the link to the video and answer this question.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3249455778547789&vanity=igwemkpume

He got a louder ovation than Soludo because he's now the face of an Igbo presidency and has now gained more popularity than Soludo.

You see your life? Instead of juxtaposing Obi's performance against Soludo's to prove your position on Obi, you're using ovation. How laughable? So, ovations are now the indicators of good governance according to Nefort.

You are speaking so naively and trying so hard to make a point while you have none. You are not in the best position to determine what investments Anambra needed at any point in time due to the peculiar circumstances and resources available at that period. Peter Obi had economic advisers and you can't be smarter than all of them and also lacking the reliable government data that Peter Obi used to conclude that the investment may be worth it. If I ask you to forecast what you will eat tomorrow you may not even know. And you are sounding like you can easily forecast complex business and economic challenges several years ahead. It's really easier said than done. You are really so amusing. Oga go and sit down. You don't know anything about investments and accurately predict the future.

I even gave you reasons why that investment was bound to fail but you ignored every sound reason to dwell on delusions. Who were Obi's economic advisors who gave him such woeful advice? At least, we know the quality of such advisors from the outcome of their advice. I do not think any adviser would advice any governor to invest in such a high risk business venture. Obi knows what he did with that particular investment. I have told you the fundamental reasons why the business was bound to fail, and there's no economic advisor that wouldn't consider those reasons before making a decision. In short, both Obi and his advisors lacked foresight and were grossly incompetent. Both he and his advisors should be sacked.

Are you telling me that Obi should be given a chance to replicate such woeful investment activities nationally?

Or, tell me other investments of Obi in Anambra that have created jobs for the populace, and is currently injecting handsome revenue into Anambra government coffers till date.

FxMasterz:
See this one. He thinks everyone is duII ike himself. Must Obi use the word 'flaeless' before he implies it? Just look at the screenshots I uploaded and carry your mumism away from here.

I am sorry to inform you that as long as Peter Obi hasn't claimed to be a flawless person, accusing him of carrying himself like a flawless person is your own personal judgement and feeling and doesn't represent fact.

I chose to believe that Obi failed based on what I know of his tenure as Anambra governor. Those things I listed are not all the negatives about his government.

I am glad you said I CHOSE. Which is just your personal feeling and doesn't represent fact.

Those things you listed are nothing compared to what many Anambra governors have done. They're all normal government activities that do not make any governor exceptional.

Unfortunately AI doesn't agree with you. See the screenshots I attached where AI rated Obi better than the other past governors who completed their tenures. I trust AI because it is very efficient at digging up all available public data, analyzing them and summarizing the verdict. Apart from Peter Obi it is only Willie Obiano and Chinwoke Mbadinuju who completed their tenures. The rest only spent a short time on the seat before they were removed. Those sacked governors are not eligible for comparison.

You didn't provide any strong evidence that he was an exceptional governor. Even in the deepest recesses of your heart, you know Obi was not an exceptional governor. And before you start asking me if Tinubu was exceptional (as I have come to know how you reason), that would be another unintelligent question because Tinubu never claimed himself an exceptional presidential candidate like Obi is doing. Obi is the one who has the duty to show us what exceptional things he has done to make us believe he is exceptional as he claimed. His people were even cursing him during his tenure. Lol. Tinubu's records as Lagos Governor surpasses that of Obi, yet even Tinubu never claimed himself exceptional

Please where did I say that Peter Obi was exceptional? I have never said his performance was exceptional. Kindy go through my previous comments and point out where I said his performance was exceptional. I only said his performance was okay and not bad. You are saying his performance was bad and I am saying his performance is okay. Saying it's okay doesn't mean I am saying it is exceptional. Peter Obi himself hasn't also claimed that is performance was exceptional. I mentioned it before that you are just making empty noise.

You see your life? Instead of juxtaposing Obi's performance against Soludo's to prove your position on Obi.

Please wait for Soludo to compete his tenure first. It's still early and dumb to give him a scorecard. Even if Soludo outperforms Peter Obi it still doesn't mean Peter Obi's performance was bad.

I even gave you reasons why that investment was bound to fail but you ignored every sound reason to dwell on delusions. Who were Obi's economic advisors who gave him such woeful advice? At least, we know the quality of such advisors from the outcome of their advice. I do not think any adviser would advice any governor to invest in such a high risk business venture. Obi knows what he did with that particular investment. I have told you the fundamental reasons why the business was bound to fail, and there's no economic advisor that wouldn't consider those reasons before making a decision. In short, both Obi and his advisors lacked foresight and were grossly incompetent. Both he and his advisors should be sacked.

You don't know more than the people in government who possess data and information you don't have regarding the state and it's resources. You are only making assumptions. So keep quiet. Even if the investment was wrong it still doesn't make him a bad governor. I previously said no leader has a 100% performance scorecard. A great leader will still get some things wrong. And it appears you are only focusing on the wrong things that Peter Obi might have done.

Are you telling me that Obi should be given a chance to replicate such woeful investment activities nationally?

Even if you believe Peter Obi failed as governor it is still not an evidence that suggests he will also fail to govern Nigeria properly. Anambra state is not Nigeria and past events can't always be used to predict future events. His governance style may work better for Nigeria than it worked for Anambra. Tinubu was a great governor in your opinion and how has it translated to a better Nigeria as president? The cost of living today is very much higher than what it was before he came in.

Myself and other supporters of Obi do trust Peter Obi to be a better president than Tinubu because he has demonstrated more commitment and interest to see things improve in Nigeria. If Tinubu performed excellently well as governor of Lagos in your opinion then why is he not preferred by the educated class of people who prefer Obi that "failed" as governor of Anambra state? That's because they don't regard his performance as a failure as you do. They see him as someone who intends to do better than his performance as governor of Anambra state.

If only educated people are allowed to vote in a fee and fair election, Peter Obi will severely beat Tinubu and that should tell you something.

Nefort:
I am sorry to inform you that as long as Peter Obi hasn't claimed to be a flawless person, accusing him of carrying himself like a flawless person is your own personal judgement and feeling and doesn't represent fact.

And I'm also sorry to inform you that he claimed to be a flawless politician. He doesn't have to use the word directly. There are many words and sentences that point to his communication as a positioning for flawlessness.

You are just a rabble rouser, a two faced liar who wouldn't stand for the truth. One minute you're saying Peter Obi has areas where he die bad, another minute you're saying something else, and then thereafter, you change tunes again. See screenshot below where Obi claimed he's without blemish. I just hope you'll keep your lies to yourself from henceforth.

I am glad you said I CHOSE. Which is just your personal feeling and doesn't represent fact.

Yeah, the same way you also said you CHOSE, which is also your own personal feelings as well. Your feelings don't represent fact.

But, the difference between you and I is that I gave you reasons for my own stands. You only chose to look away from good judgements.

Unfortunately AI doesn't agree with you. See the screenshots I attached where AI rated Obi better than the other past governors who completed their tenures. I trust AI because it is very efficient at digging up all available public data, analyzing them and summarizing the verdict. Apart from Peter Obi it is only Willie Obiano and Chinwoke Mbadinuju who completed their tenures. The rest only spent a short time on the seat before they were removed. Those sacked governors are not eligible for comparison.

Lol. You're comparing Obi with failures like Mbadinugu and you're celebrating it. You now concluded with your defective reasoning that Soludo can't be in the equation now because he's yet to finish his tenure. Meanwhile Soludo has supposed Obi even though he's yet to complete his tenure. I know that your dubious mind won't want to admit that, since your sole aim in this discussion is to deceive.

Please where did I say that Peter Obi was exceptional? I have never said his performance was exceptional. Kindy go through my previous comments and point out where I said his performance was exceptional. I only said his performance was okay and not bad. You are saying his performance was bad and I am saying his performance is okay. Saying it's okay doesn't mean I am saying it is exceptional. Peter Obi himself hasn't also claimed that is performance was exceptional. I mentioned it before that you are just making empty noise.

So, what have we been arguing about all these while? Well, I'm glad that you have admitted that his performance was just okay, and not exceptional. That's a great win for Nigeria. Peter Obi is therefore hyping himself as an exceptional politician when he's not. To this, even Nefort has come to agree. Is God not wonderful?

Please wait for Soludo to compete his tenure first. It's still early and dumb to give him a scorecard. Even if Soludo outperforms Peter Obi it still doesn't mean Peter Obi's performance was bad.

Abeg, Obi has completed his tenure, and Soludo already surpassed even now. We already see he has left Obi behind. Don't be ashamed to say it too I. He already passed Obi. By the time he finishes his tenure, Obi won't even have anywhere to stand anymore..

You don't know more than the people in government who possess data and information you don't have regarding the state and it's resources. You are only making assumptions. So keep quiet. Even if the investment was wrong it still doesn't make him a bad governor. I previously said no leader has a 100% performance scorecard. A great leader will still get some things wrong. And it appears you are only focusing on the wrong things that Peter Obi might have done.

This is just a robot-like repetition of regurgitated thoughts. It lacks substance. Or, are you a robot?

The advisors gave counsels that led to a failed investment, isn't it? Or what's the purpose of advisors? Is it not to help make guided decisions? The investment failed. How can we not hold both Obi and his advisors responsible just because Nefort is in bed with them?

I would have made better judgement if I were in Obi's position. The questions I'll ask my advisors would border on those critical issues of that investment that I discussed earlier. The ultimate goal of every investment is to scale and increase revenue. That goal is defeated in this case because a new brand of alcohol needs continuous investment and a 10yr aggressive promotion for it to stay afloat. There are many factors already against the investment choice. If my advisors can't answer my questions satisfactorily, I will jettison the idea. But what did Obi do? He wasted the funds and is asking for another chance to do same with the whole Nigeria. And because Obi is Nefort's lord and savior, he wants us to allow him. Lol.

Is this not what I said at the very beginning? My whole position was that Obi should first detach himself from his past by going the apology way, and then cast a new vision for Nigeria. But, for lack of wisdom, Nefort rejected the idea, only come back to say "...he may have areas where he didn't do well", and ",... he's not an exceptional politician, he is just okay". Is that not what I've been saying? This your current position about Obi inversely correlates with his current positioning. And you have just come back to confirm that my counsel for him was right. He can only position himself as a exceptional politician by first detaching himself from his past, reinventing himself and recasting a new vision. He's recasting a new vision for a new Nigeria when hẹn has not dissociated himself from his imperfect past. What's he wisdom in that? Everyone who knows him knows that he's a gbajue. No one would call him a gbajue if he had followed the route I charted with my counsel.

That's the best route for a politician who has areas in which "he may not have done well", and who "is not an exceptional politician."

Even if you believe Peter Obi failed as governor it is still not an evidence that suggests he will also fail to govern Nigeria properly. Anambra state is not Nigeria and past events can't always be used to predict future events. His governance style may work better for Nigeria than it worked for Anambra. Tinubu was a great governor in your opinion and how has it translated to a better Nigeria as president? The cost of living today is very much higher than what it was before he came in.

Myself and other supporters of Obi do trust Peter Obi to be a better president than Tinubu because he has demonstrated more commitment and interest to see things improve in Nigeria. If Tinubu performed excellently well as governor of Lagos in your opinion then why is he not preferred by the educated class of people who prefer Obi that "failed" as governor of Anambra state? That's because they don't regard his performance as a failure as you do. They see him as someone who intends to do better than his performance as governor of Anambra state.[/quote]Which educated class is endorsing Obi? And who told you that Tinubu is not doing well because things are expensive? Things have always been expensive , government was borrowing money to subsidize the Exchange Rate and Fuel. Can you just imagine? By the time Tinubu took over, he met an empty vault and a huge debt profile. He has to continue borrowing money to service all those subsidies. Is that a good system. The best thing was to stop the subsidy and borrow money for developmental projects instead. Then, make reforms to reposition the country economically. And the reforms are gradually paying off as the economy is gradually rebounding. What would Obi have done differently? Would he have continued borrowing money to pay subsidies? Or he would borrow money to pay part subsidies while the debt profile keeps grieving and development is stifled?

I have never said Obi won't make a good president anyway. No one can ever tell. My point has been his position. I mean the deception and the lies. Why presently yourself as a flawless and exceptional politician when you're not? Present yourself as is, or go the apology way and present your new visit for Nigeria. Even I would support you. I can't support you.ujtil you detach yourself from your past because, your past puts you among the same crop of politicians who destroyed this country.

I[quite]f only educated people are allowed to vote in a fee and fair election, Peter Obi will severely beat Tinubu and that should tell you something.[/quote]You're just lying to yourself. Let me tell you why educated people will vote Tinubu. See the attached screenshots.

It is no coincidence that Nigeria is now ranked number 3 in the list of top 10 countries developing Africa. How I wish I can upload more than 4 images so that you can know that only illiterates would vote Obi. Educated people who read and know the depth of the rots that previously bedevilled Nigeria would vote Tinubu a second time.

Forget the talks of selfish politicians. Nigeria was a dying horse. Tinubu is the one trying to bring back the horse. Obi is weak and unintelligent. He cannot beat Tinubu's performance.

FxMasterz:
And I'm also sorry to inform you that he claimed to be a flawless politician. He doesn't have to use the word directly. There are many words and sentences that point to his communication as a positioning for flawlessness.

The truth is that you are just looking for the slightest thing to dismiss Peter Obi as a bad candidate for president. But you are not holding a disastrous Tinubu as a drug dealer and a corrupt personality to the same standard. It's just shameful.

Even if Peter Obi claims to be a flawless politician every right thinking person would know it is just a hyperbole as a figure of speech. No politician can be flawless and everybody knows it. So it is a waste a time and just stupid trying to accuse Peter Obi of carrying himself like a flawless politician. Every sensible person knows he is only trying to say he is a good product and he is better than most Nigerian politicians specifically in the aspect of integrity and not necessarily leadership. You are the first person I have seen saying Peter Obi carries himself like a flawless politician because you couldn't find any serious thing you could use to criticize Peter Obi and you decided to pick up an irrelevant issue. Please go away.

Lol. You're comparing Obi with failures like Mbadinugu and you're celebrating it.

Why are you running from your shadow? Were you not the one who claimed below that other governors of Anambra performed better than Peter Obi?

I chose to believe that Obi failed based on what I know of his tenure as Anambra governor. Those things I listed are not all the negatives about his government. Those things you listed are nothing compared to what many Anambra governors have done.

Who contradicted himself above? Keep on clowning.

You now concluded with your defective reasoning that Soludo can't be in the equation now because he's yet to finish his tenure. Meanwhile Soludo has supposed Obi even though he's yet to complete his tenure. I know that your dubious mind won't want to admit that, since your sole aim in this discussion is to deceive.

If you were smart enough you would have known that a governor can still run down a state within 6 months of leaving office. Please wait for Soludo to finish his tenure. Stop rushing to hate Peter Obi.

So, what have we been arguing about all these while? Well, I'm glad that you have admitted that his performance was just okay, and not exceptional. That's a great win for Nigeria. Peter Obi is therefore hyping himself as an exceptional politician when he's not. To this, even Nefort has come to agree. Is God not wonderful?

Why the hell are you asking me that silly question? Were you not the one who has been accusing Peter Obi of being a failure and I have been telling you his performance was okay? And you are now saying you are glad I have admitted his performance was okay? You really need deliverance.

My whole position was that Obi should first detach himself from his past by going the apology way, and then cast a new vision for Nigeria.

You need deliverance man. Why didn't you require Tinubu to do the same apology inspite of his terrible background compared to Peter Obi? Politicians like Tinubu are the reason why you think Peter Obi carries himself like a "Flawless politician". Because Peter Obi knows he is clean and very much better than Tinubu. When the bar is raised and more politicians become cleaner than Peter Obi then we can eventually agree that Peter Obi is not "flawless".

Nefort:
The truth is that you are just looking for the slightest thing to dismiss Peter Obi as a bad candidate for president. But you are not holding a disastrous Tinubu as a drug dealer and a corrupt personality to the same standard. It's just shameful.

Even if Peter Obi claims to be a flawless politician every right thinking person would know it is just a hyperbole as a figure of speech. No politician can be flawless and everybody knows it. So it is a waste a time and just stupid trying to accuse Peter Obi of carrying himself like a flawless politician. Every sensible person knows he is only trying to say he is a good product and he is better than most Nigerian politicians specifically in the aspect of integrity and not necessarily leadership. You are the first person I have seen saying Peter Obi carries himself like a flawless politician because you couldn't find any serious thing you could use to criticize Peter Obi and you decided to pick up an irrelevant issue. Please go away.

O boy, you're just clever by half. Do you think you're discussing with a kid? What's all the nonsense you just typed? Even claiming it was just an hyperbole. Kikikikiki. There's no flawless politician, yen, yen, yen. How old are you?

Tinubu peddled drugs when he was a youth, almost 40yrs ago according to records, but you are here calling him a drug peddler as if it is his current profession. You rubbish all his performance as an accountant in Mobil, his performance as Lagos Governor, his performance as president of Nigeria with all international watchdogs highlighting the new face of Nigeria's current positioning, and whatever he stands for on the altar of what he did probably before you were born (your level of intelligence makes me see you as a kid, probably born in the 90s or even after). But, you want us to dismiss Obi's current positioning of himself as a flawless politician as an hyperbole. His Pandora papers are to be waived aside. His disasterous investment should be celebrated nonetheless. His dismissal of none Anambra indigenes from civil service should be applauded. He should be taken as a Messiah for Nigeria with no scrutiny. And his expression of an unblemished past is an hyperbolic expression - the one in which he called for challengers thinking no one knows. Adeyanju challenged him, he went mute. I just pity your awkward sense of reasoning. I have asked you to tell us what he did with all the LG funds he collected for 8 yrs without any LG election until he was about to handover. Yet, Tinubu who was denied LG funds as governor, conducted LG elections promptly, still performed more excellently than Obi in spite of the deprivation of LG funds. Even the LGAs didn't feel the heat of the funds that were withheld. Yet, you didn't see the stupidity in rating Obi above Tinubu? Or where did you think he was reimbursing the LGs from? Someone who increased Lagos IGR to 8 billion per month from a paltry 600m. A feat which Obi could not replicate even with all the free LG money he collected for 8yrs. He never accounted for them till date. And to you, that's your Mr Integrity. Wonders shall never end.

Even with the numerous screenshots that I have shared with you, you're here telling me that I'm the only one you have seen saying Obi presents himself as a flawless politician. It makes me think you've lost it. You dismissed his challenge which Adeyanju countered. You dismissed all the screenshots where he categorically claimed he was unblemished. I am now the one at fault for stating what he stated about himself? Why do you even think Reno is busy fast-checking him? Is it not because Reno wants to tell the world that Obi is not who he claimed to be? Why do you think he has been nicknamed gbajue? Lol.

Why are you running from your shadow? Were you not the one who claimed below that other governors of Anambra performed better than Peter Obi?

Who contradicted himself above? Keep on clowning.

Can you show me the post where I claimed that all Anambra governors past and present did better than Obi? Are you deliberately dubious or it's just a product or your Iow lQ? All I have said so far is that many Anambra governors did better than him, and that he is not an exceptional politician compared to the likes of Soludo and a few others! You better go and get your refund from your school. They actually did you strong things with English comprehension.

If you were smart enough you would have known that a governor can still run down a state within 6 months of leaving office. Please wait for Soludo to finish his tenure. Stop rushing to hate Peter Obi.

Shut it up! Can you imagine the trash coming out of a supposedly grown up man?

Assuming the funds Obi invested in Alcohol were all Anambra had with no hope of free money from the FG. What state do you think Anambra would be today after that failed investment? It would be technically said that Obi ran the state aground. You're only able to say rubbish because allocations kept the state running in spite of the disastrous investment. And you dare say Soludo could run the state down before his tenure expires. Is that your prayer? Please keep watching. Your disappointment would be huge.

As at today, 23rd May, 2026, we can say without batting an eye that Soludo HAS OUTPERFORMED OBI. He is not Obi's mate! And, you cannot deny that!

Why the hell are you asking me that silly question? Were you not the one who has been accusing Peter Obi of being a failure and I have been telling you his performance was okay? And you are now saying you are glad I have admitted his performance was okay? You really need deliverance.

I have known you to be deficient in in sound reasoning but I refrained from telling you out of courtesy. Can you see that you also added dubiousness to your stack of vices? Didn't you say "Obi has areas where he might not have done well"? Did you refute any of the failings of his government I highlighted? Were they not all true? What have I done wrong in saying his positioning is deceptive and that he must first detach himself from that past? It's really pathetic, and I suspect political brainwashing and unbridled hero worship.

You need deliverance man. Why didn't you require Tinubu to do the same apology in spite of his terrible background compared to Peter Obi? Politicians like Tinubu are the reason why you think Peter Obi carries himself like a "Flawless politician". Because Peter Obi knows he is clean and very much better than Tinubu. When the bar is raised and more politicians become cleaner than Peter Obi then we can eventually agree that Peter Obi is not "flawless".

I'm appalled by your apparent lack of sound reasoning. Honestly, very pathetic. And, that's the very reason why you're expecting me to commend Obi for an investment without considering the outcome of that investment. Even justifying his disastrous moves by saying he had advisors, blah blah blah. But, you didn't see that you really need the deliverance you're talking about.

If not that you have a some serious issues thinking soundly, you would see that the only reason I suggested apology for Obi was because of his current positioning. If he's not presenting himself as an unblemished politician, he has no reason to apologize to anyone. But if he wants to present himself that way, wisdom demands that he first detaches himself from whatever he represented in the past in order to cast a new imagery of himself. What's difficult to understand in that? If indeed he has had areas where he might not have done well, and he wants to present himself as a flawless politician, the wisest and safest thing to do is to detach himself from that past. Simple! But I don't expect someone like you to get it anyway. Maybe when you have done your deliverance, your senses might open.

FxMasterz:
You rubbish all his performance as an accountant in Mobil, his performance as Lagos Governor his performance as president of Nigeria with all international watchdogs highlighting the new face of Nigeria's current positioning...

You have been claiming that Tinubu performed well as governor of Lagos state and is currently performing well as president of Nigeria. I ignored it in your previous comments just to shorten my response but I will attend to it now and show you that Tinubu is not better than Peter Obi.

Thank God for AI because it made it very much easier to dig up performance metrics from public data and analyzing them without having to do it manually. Secondly AI is neutral and fair in analysis and it doesn't pick sides by sentiments.

As a yardstick, I asked AI about the performance of Rabiu Kwankwaso, the former governor of Kano state and it says:

Yes, Rabiu.Kwankwaso is widely regarded as
one of the most successful and
transformative governors in the history of
Kano State. Serving two non-consecutive terms
(1999-2003 and 2011-2015), his administration
left an enduring impact on the state's socio-
economic landscape. His performance spawned
the highly influential Kwankwasiyya Movement,
which remains a dominant political force in
Northern Nigeria.

You can see that AI answered it with a plain YES.

Then I asked AI about the performance of Babatunde Fashola as the former governor of Lagos state and it says:

Yes, Babatunde Fashola is widely regarded as one of the most successful and effective governors of Lagos State in Nigeria's modern democratic era. Serving two terms from 2007 to 2015, his administration is heavily credited with transforming Lagos from a chaotic city into a functional, modernized megacity. International publications like Time and The Economist praised his disciplined approach, with the latter describing him as a "rare good man" who did his job well.

You can also see that AI answered it with a plain YES.

Then I asked AI about the performance of Peter Obi as governor of Anambra state and it says:

Peter Obi's tenure as the Governor of
Anambra State (2006-2014) is widely
regarded as highly successful, particularly in
fiscal discipline, education, and healthcare
reforms, though it remains a subject of
intense political debate. While his supporters
point to transformative institutional metrics,
critics argue his extreme financial conservatism
came at the expense of major industrial or
monumental infrastructure
projects.

From the AI responses above you can see that AI strongly feels that Rabiu Kwankwaso and Babatunde Fashola performed better than Peter Obi. But it still regards Peter Obi's performance as successful. This AI response is actually matching with what I previously told you that Peter Obi's performance was okay and not a failure as you claimed. But you will never admit you were wrong by saying Peter Obi failed as governor. You were using only the negative sides of his performance to conclude he failed without also weighing the positive sides. Focusing on the negative sides alone is actually a dumb approach to carrying performance analysis.

Finally I asked AI about the performance of Bola Tinubu as the former Lagos state governor and it replied as follows:

Evaluating Bola Tinubu's performance as the
governor of Lagos.State(1999-2007) yields a mix
of significant praise for structural reform and
sharp criticism regarding long-term governance
and debt. Supporters widely view him as the
"father of modern Lagos," while critics argue his
policies laid the groundwork for severe state debt
and political monopolisation.

When you compare the response above with that of Kwankwaso, Fashola and Peter Obi you can see that AI is not even sure about Tinubu's performance. It couldn't give a clear answer whether it was successful or not. In the AI response for Peter Obi at least AI said Peter Obi's performance was successful. I trust AI a million times more than any rubbish you will ever tell me about Tinubu's performance because AI is a better data aggregator than you and it doesn't pick sides due to emotional feelings. Comparing the AI responses above I will trust AI and conclude that Peter Obi performed better than Bola Tinubu.

You also claimed Tinubu is doing well as president by citing "international watchdogs". What kind of development happens when the masses don't feel the effect and prices have gone way higher than it happened in previous administrations? Since you used Nairaland posts claiming Peter Obi failed as a metric to conclude that Peter Obi actually failed as governor, I will also use Nairaland posts complaining bitterly about Tinubu's performance as president to also claim that Tinubu is a huge failure as president. The posts on Nairaland complaining about Tinubu's performance as president are just very many so I don't need to screenshot anything.

Even with the numerous screenshots that I have shared with you, you're here telling me that I'm the only one you have seen saying Obi presents himself as a flawless politician. It makes me think you've lost it. You dismissed his challenge which Adeyanju countered. You dismissed all the screenshots where he categorically claimed he was unblemished. I am now the one at fault for stating what he stated about himself?

Going mute doesn't mean guilt. Peter Obi may not have the time for the Adeyanju guy same way he ignores Reno. Besides, I never said Peter Obi is flawless. You are the one claiming he is presenting himself as a flawless guy and then you look for things to say he is not flawless. You created this flawless irrelevant rubbish to use against Peter Obi and at the same time you created your own counter to your fake and irrelevant accusation. It's all your own creation and not mine. So I have no answer to give you about this your irrelevant accusation of Peter Obi carrying himself like a flawless politician. How exactly does it affect his ability to lead? Every politician presents themselves as a worthy choice to lead and this is what Peter Obi is doing by saying his political record is untainted even though there might be little issues underground. Bola Tinubu himself also presented himself as a worthy person to lead Nigeria in spite of his shady background. Which politician will present himself as is and tell you he is a corrupt politician? Please look for a better accusation and not this your "flawless politician" nonsense.

Can you show me the post where I claimed that all Anambra governors past and present did better than Obi? Are you deliberately dubious or it's just a product or your Iow lQ? All I have said so far is that many Anambra governors did better than him, and that he is not an exceptional politician compared to the likes of Soludo and a few others

How many full tem governors led before Peter Obi since the return to democracy in 1999? It was only Chinwoke Mbadinuju. So your statement saying MANY GOVERNORS did better than Peter Obi was just plainly senseless. And what exactly is the similarity between MANY GOVERNORS and A FEW OTHERS? When I point out all these dumbness you think I am lying.

What have I done wrong in saying his positioning is deceptive and that he must first detach himself from that past? It's really pathetic, and I suspect political brainwashing and unbridled hero worship.

There is nothing wrong as long as you also require your lord and saviour Tinubu to detach himself from his past. You expect Obi to detach but Tinubu can remain attached? What kind of foolishness is that?

If he's not presenting himself as an unblemished politician...

And which politician doesn't present themselves as unblemished to win votes? You have nothing reasonable to say.

FxMasterz:
Can you see how bias you are?
AI said Tinubu's tenure yielded a mix of SIGNIFICANT PRAISE, and went on to credit him as the Father of modern Lagos. But, you presented the whole on the basis of what AI credited to Tinubu's critics. Meanwhile, you didn't see that AI concluded that Obi's performance is being debated.

You were the one that claimed Tinubu's performance was great. So I simply drew your attention to the negative side to balance what you thought was the positives. You have also been highlighting only Peter Obi's mistakes as the only parameters that made him a failure as governor. You failed to also weigh the good things he did which AI was able to balance and conclude that his performance wasn't bad overall.

Anyway, I couldn't find anything new in your previous comment worthy of my response. So I would simply use this space to recap the points I have been trying to get across to you.

1. You said Peter Obi was a failure as governor and I have shown he wasn't a failure. His performance wasn't fantastic but just okay and he is not as corrupt as many other politicians.

2. You said Peter Obi carries himself like a flawless politician and my argument is that it doesn't matter and it is irrelevant. Everyone knows no politician can be flawless and even if Peter Obi claims he is flawless many people including myself will understand it as he is only trying to say there is no major issues about his past and he is not corrupt compared to the average politician.

3. You said Peter Obi doesn't deserve a chance a chance to be president of Nigeria and my position is that his feelings and recent postures have shown that he intends to do better. He doesn't need to apologize for any past. Many of his supporters including myself know that he intends to improve.

I have said enough to pass these points across and I don't intend to convince you. I only wanted to show that your impression about Peter Obi wasn't l all that correct.

Nefort:
You were the one that claimed Tinubu's performance was great. So I simply drew your attention to the negative side to balance what you thought was the positives. You have also been highlighting only Peter Obi's mistakes as the only parameters that made him a failure as governor. You failed to also weigh the good things he did which AI was able to balance and conclude that his performance wasn't bad overall.

AI didn't even say Tinubu's governance was bad. It said critics criticize him for long governance and debt. Long governance and debts - for emphasis. And we all know why he had debts. And we understand that long governance to be his firm grip of Lagos after leaving office. How does that make his governance bad?

The critical issue is that Obi's was said to be successful but this success which is the core point here, is being debated. His success his being debated just as you and I are debating it right now. Tinubu is not in his class. Tinubu received significant praise for his governance, and is credited as being the father of modern Lagos but was criticized for debts and long governance. Simple comprehension. Meanwhile, Obi's so called success is a subject of debate. Tinubu's is not. Nobody is debating Tinubu's success.

Anyway, I couldn't find anything new in your previous comment worthy of my response. So I would simply use this space to recap the points I have been trying to get across to you.

1. You said Peter Obi was a failure as governor and I have shown he wasn't a failure. His performance wasn't fantastic but just okay and he is not as corrupt as many other politicians.

No, he was. Even AI said his assumed failure is a subject of debate. You yourself have not proven beyond reasonable doubt that he was a success. You even made a mockery of Obi by benchmarking him against a negatively rated Mbadinuju.

2. You said Peter Obi carries himself like a flawless politician and my argument is that it doesn't matter and it is irrelevant. Everyone knows no politician can be flawless and even if Peter Obi claims he is flawless many people including myself will understand it as he is only trying to say there is no major issues about his past and he is not corrupt compared to the average politician.

And I continue to pinpoint your lack of sound reasoning in the matter. Obi doesn't have to claim flawlessness to become president. The reason why he may never become president is because of his very claim of unblemished leadership. Everyone who knows him know that the claim is false. That's why many people won't vote Obi. He is lying to the people claiming to be who he is not. I don't need to argue with you on this anymore because I have seen you to be very dishonest. What I did now is to ask AI: Which presidential aspirant in Nigeria today is claiming to be without blemish? The question and its answer has been attached in the image below. If this does not shut your lips, then you must be really a competitor with Satan in the profession of lies and dishonesty.

3. You said Peter Obi doesn't deserve a chance a chance to be president of Nigeria and my position is that his feelings and recent postures have shown that he intends to do better. He doesn't need to apologize for any past. Many of his supporters including myself know that he intends to improve.

He didn't have feelings for Ananbra but he has for Nigeria? He cannot lead this country by lying to the populace. That'd why I said he should detach himself from his past. Distinguish himself from among the rest of the politicians. Infact, just saying "I know I am imperfect, and I have actually had my failings, but I have genuine love for Nigeria, and I think we could do this together." Is all enough. It's better than lying and claiming he's without blemish. Those 8 points I raised are blemishes. Even you yourself know he isn't perfect. But the man is claiming perfection, and that's why he does not deserve a chance. We don't really need a new politician out of the blues to fix Nigeria. Anyone can fix Nigeria including Obi. But, if that politician is one of the crop of politicians that have been parties to the current state of Nigeria, he should detach himself from his past to build trust. People would take their eyes off his past and believe he had realized that how he did it in the past was wrong, and that he is now ready to do things alright. He'll succeed. Many people would trust him and vote him. People will trust even Abacha and vote him if Abacha goes by my advice, otherwise, he'll struggle because he'll create distrust for himself as Obi is currently doing. Obi won't win 2027 elections. Go and write it down. And the reason is that many can see through his deception.

I have said enough to pass these points across and I don't intend to convince you. I only wanted to show that your impression about Peter Obi wasn't l all that correct.

You've been dishonest and biased all through. You didn't change anything because you're just a gbajue like your Obi.

FxMasterz:
AI didn't even say Tinubu's governance was bad. It said critics criticize him for long governance and debt. Long governance and debts - for emphasis. And we all know why he had debts. And we understand that long governance to be his firm grip of Lagos after leaving office. How does that make his governance bad?

Where did I say Tinubu's performance was bad? I never stated it anywhere. I only said that AI didn't clearly state that Tinubu performed well just as he did for Kwankwaso and Fashola. Which means his overall performance is debatable.

The critical issue is that Obi's was said to be successful but this success which is the core point here, is being debated. His success his being debated just as you and I are debating it right now.

Success being debated doesn't mean failure. What is debatable is the degree of success whether high or low. The truth is that if Peter Obi was actually a failure as you claimed then AI would have pointed it out straightaway after analyzing public data.

Tinubu is not in his class. Tinubu received significant praise for his governance, and is credited as being the father of modern Lagos but was criticized for debts and long governance. Simple comprehension.

I will ask again, if Tinubu is not in his class then why didn't AI clearly state he performed well just like he did for Kwankwaso and Tinubu?

And I continue to pinpoint your lack of sound reasoning in the matter. Obi doesn't have to claim flawlessness to become president. The reason why he may never become president is because of his very claim of unblemished leadership. Everyone who knows him know that the claim is false. That's why many people won't vote Obi. He is lying to the people claiming to be who he is not. I don't need to argue with you on this anymore because I have seen you to be very dishonest. What I did now is to ask AI: Which presidential aspirant in Nigeria today is claiming to be without blemish? The question and its answer has been attached in the image below. If this does not shut your lips, then you must be really a competitor with Satan in the profession of lies and dishonesty.

And what is so wrong to claim unblemished leadership? How does it affect his ability to deliver good governance in the future? That's why I said you are focusing on irrelevant matters after you couldn't find any solid reason that proves Peter Obi is not capable of leading Nigeria.

Nefort:
Where did I say Tinubu's performance was bad? I never stated it anywhere. I only said that AI didn't clearly state that Tinubu performed well just as he did for Kwankwaso and Fashola. Which means his overall performance is debatable.

AI clearly said he received significant praise. You refused to see that. It then pinpointed what critics said. There's nothing in what AI said that could make anybody say his performance was debatable even after AI credited him with being the father of modern Lagos. Now, you're claiming what's not for Tinubu but pivoted around when you came to Obi. You see your bias? AI clearly said Obi's success standing is being debated. You stripped that off Obi and slammed it on Tinubu. Shameless!

Success being debated doesn't mean failure. What is debatable is the degree of success whether high or low. The truth is that if Peter Obi was actually a failure as you claimed then AI would have pointed it out straightaway after analyzing public data.

I just hate the way you show too much stewpidity when it comes to this your Obi. AI said his success standing is being debated. Not his degree of success. But now, you want to change what AI said, claiming it's degrees that's being debated, not the success itself. Your devilry is unmatchable. Obi's success is a subject of debate. That means there are those who believed he failed. We saw them here on Nairaland during his tenure. There are those who think he succeeded, e.g Nefort.

I will ask again, if Tinubu is not in his class then why didn't AI clearly state he performed well just like he did for Kwankwaso and Tinubu?[/quite]
AI didn't claim anything for anybody. It only said such things as "Keankwaso is widely believed....", "Obi was said to be..." ", Tinubu's governance is highly praised..." All are derivatives of what AI believed to be people's position on all three. AI never made any flat statement for any of them to say "Keankwaso's tenure was highly successful" or "Tinubu is highly praiseworthy" or "Obi really succeeded '. AI only drew inferences on all 3 based on what it found online about them. You're the one whose biased thinking came with a different interpretation for Tinubu. Of the 3 candidates, AI made a most excellent standing for Tinubu by using the word "Significant Praise". Long governance is not a characteristic of his government. That's an aftermath. He didn't have more than the normal 8yrs. The debt were only because of his LG funds issue. This means if the LG funds issue had not come up, and Tinubu went into silence after governance, all what AI would say is that "Tinubu received significant praise for his governance and is credited as being the father of modern Lagos." This is the core point in his review which surpasses what AI said about the other two. May your English comprehension be healed.

[quote]And what is so wrong to claim unblemished leadership? How does it affect his ability to deliver good governance in the future? That's why I said you are focusing on irrelevant matters after you couldn't find any solid reason that proves Peter Obi is not capable of leading Nigeria.

There's nothing wrong in claiming unblemished leadership if it's the truth. If it's a lie, it's wrong. To make it acceptable, follow my advice. Simple.

FxMasterz:
AI clearly said he received significant praise. You refused to see that. It then pinpointed what critics said. There's nothing in what AI said that could make anybody say his performance was debatable even after AI credited him with being the father of modern Lagos. Now, you're claiming what's not for Tinubu but pivoted around when you came to Obi. You see your bias? AI clearly said Obi's success standing is being debated. You stripped that off Obi and slammed it on Tinubu. Shameless!

Tinubu received praise for the areas he did well and got criticized for the areas he did poorly. Peter Obi was also praised for the areas he did well and got criticized for the areas he did poorly. If you are saying Peter Obi's performance is debatable then Tinubu's performance is also debatable since the both have areas they did well and areas they didn't do too well. If you are saying Peter Obi failed because of the criticism he received then Tinubu also failed because of the criticism he received as well.. I don't know what you are whining about again.

I just hate the way you show too much stewpidity when it comes to this your Obi. AI said his success standing is being debated. Not his degree of success.

But now, you want to change what AI said, claiming it's degrees that's being debated, not the success itself. Your devilry is unmatchable. Obi's success is a subject of debate. That means there are those who believed he failed. We saw them here on Nairaland during his tenure. There are those who think he succeeded, e.g Nefort.

Since you are focusing on the term "debatable" as a life line to save yourself I had to ask AI again so it can rephrase its response and we reconcile the two responses and have a better understanding.

I asked AI again if Tinubu performed well as governor of Lagos state and it gave the following response:

Evaluating Bola Tinubu’s tenure as the Governor of Lagos State (1999–2007) depends largely on the metrics used, as his legacy is a subject of sharp division between strong praise for economic and institutional modernization and criticism regarding financial transparency, political dominance, and urban poverty.

Then I asked AI again if Peter Obi performed well as the governor of Anambra state and it provided the following response:

Evaluating Peter Obi’s tenure as the Governor of Anambra State (2006–2014) depends on the metrics used, as his legacy is defined by a strong reputation for financial prudence, education, and healthcare development, contrasted against criticisms of slow infrastructural expansion, under investing in civil service welfare, and security controversies.

From the responses above I have now understood why AI previously said Peter Obi performance is debatable. It is debatable in the sense that it depends on what you are focusing on. If you are only focusing on his investment in SABMiller then he will be a failure to you. But if you are only focusing on his financial prudence and investments in education and healthcare then he wouldn't be a failure. This is what makes it debatable and that is why we are having this debate. Because you chose your own method of evaluating him by focusing on the negatives while I am debating you to also consider his positive wins before concluding he is a failure.

If you are saying that Peter is a failure because of his investment in SABMiller then I will also say Tinubu is a failure for lacking financial transparency as pointed by AI. And if you are saying Tinubu's performance was fantastic and recieved praise for being the "father of modern Lagos" then I would also say Peter Obi's performance was fantastic for having financial prudence.

There is actually nothing you showed me that proves that Tinubu is better than Peter Obi. The fact that Meta AI and Grok choose Peter Obi as a better leader when forced to pick between Peter Obi and Tinubu is actually a plus for Peter Obi. I previously showed you the screenshots of the AI platforms choosing Peter Obi as a better leader but you shamelessly dismissed them as "hype" as if Tinubu is not also hyped.

Nefort:
Tinubu received praise for the areas he did well and got criticized for the areas he did poorly. Peter Obi was also praised for the areas he did well and got criticized for the areas he did poorly. If you are saying Peter Obi's performance is debatable then Tinubu's performance is also debatable since the both have areas they did well and areas they didn't do too well. If you are saying Peter Obi failed because of the criticism he received then Tinubu also failed because of the criticism he received as well.. I don't know what you are whining about again.

You're just beign dubious.

AI specifically mentioned what is being criticized about Tinubu- long term governance. Tell me how he did bad by long term governance during his tenure. Secondly, debts. Tell me how he'll finance the LG areas without borrowing. Please I need to answers to this. And remember that he was credited as being the father of modern Lagos, and he also was said to have increased Lagos IGR exponentially. There are was he received significant praise for. Significant praise, not just praise.

Obi didn't receive praise. He is just believed to be successful by some, and that success is being debated by others.

Since you are focusing on the term "debatable" as a life line to save yourself I had to ask AI again so it can rephrase its response and we reconcile the two responses and have a better understanding.

I asked AI again if Tinubu performed well as governor of Lagos state and it gave the following response:

Evaluating Bola Tinubu’s tenure as the Governor of Lagos State (1999–2007) depends largely on the metrics used, as his legacy is a subject of sharp division between strong praise for economic and institutional modernization and criticism regarding financial transparency, political dominance, and urban poverty.

Then I asked AI again if Peter Obi performed well as the governor of Anambra state and it provided the following response:

Evaluating Peter Obi’s tenure as the Governor of Anambra State (2006–2014) depends on the metrics used, as his legacy is defined by a strong reputation for financial prudence, education, and healthcare development, contrasted against criticisms of slow infrastructural expansion, under investing in civil service welfare, and security controversies.

From the responses above I have now understood why AI previously said Peter Obi performance is debatable. It is debatable in the sense that it depends on what you are focusing on. If you are only focusing on his investment in SABMiller then he will be a failure to you. But if you are only focusing on his financial prudence and investments in education and healthcare then he wouldn't be a failure. This is what makes it debatable and that is why we are having this debate. Because you chose your own method of evaluating him by focusing on the negatives while I am debating you to also consider his positive wins before concluding he is a failure.

If you are saying that Peter is a failure because of his investment in SABMiller then I will also say Tinubu is a failure for lacking financial transparency as pointed by AI. And if you are saying Tinubu's performance was fantastic and recieved praise for being the "father of modern Lagos" then I would also say Peter Obi's performance was fantastic for having financial prudence.

There is actually nothing you showed me that proves that Tinubu is better than Peter Obi. The fact that Meta AI and Grok choose Peter Obi as a better leader when forced to pick between Peter Obi and Tinubu is actually a plus for Peter Obi. I previously showed you the screenshots of the AI platforms choosing Peter Obi as a better leader but you shamelessly dismissed them as "hype" as if Tinubu is not also hyped.

Peter Obi is a failure by many metrics, and especially because of the things he was supposed to do that he didn't do. Not just because of the failed alcohol business.

How is Tinubu being hyped? Everything credited to Tinubu actually happened. While Obi is being credited with things he didn't do. Or, you don't know what the word hype means?

Well, I won't be the one to talk about Tinubu this time around. Let AI do the talking.

My Question to AI: Who among both leaders can be said to have brought large scale rapid developments to their states? Be brief and concise.

The answer is copied here. The screenshot is also attached.

AI answers with an emphasis on Bola Tinubu :

Bola Ahmed Tinubu brought large-scale, rapid development to his state.

While Peter Obi focused on low-cost, incremental rural road connectivity and systemic school upgrades, Tinubu aggressively deployed massive capital to transform Lagos.

His rapid, large-scale developments included:

Major Urban Highways: Reconstructing completely collapsed multi-lane arteries across Lagos (e.g., Kudirat Abiola Way, Agege Motor Road).

The BRT Corridor: Building dedicated transit lanes and massive bus terminals from scratch.

Coastal Reclamation: Launching the massive public-private engineering feat to stop ocean surges and lay the foundation for Eko Atlantic City.

New State Agencies: Fully funding and equipping massive new structures like LAWMA (waste fleets) and LASTMA (traffic infrastructure) to manage a rapidly expanding megacity.

This is it.

And as I have said, I do not like Tinubu because I see him as a corrupt politician but, in terms of governance impact of the people, he is a much better choice than Obi.

FxMasterz:
You're just beign dubious.

AI specifically mentioned what is being criticized about Tinubu- long term governance. Tell me how he did bad by long term governance during his tenure. Secondly, debts. Tell me how he'll finance the LG areas without borrowing. Please I need to answers to this. And remember that he was credited as being the father of modern Lagos, and he also was said to have increased Lagos IGR exponentially. There are was he received significant praise for. Significant praise, not just praise.

I have severely beaten you in this debate but shame wouldn't allow you to accept it.

The things you listed up there are not even the only things that Tinubu was criticized for. It was even Tinubu's fault that the federal government denied Lagos it's LGA funds.

I asked AI to list what he was criticized for and it came up with the following list:

1. The Alpha Beta Monopoly: Critics heavily faulted the administration for outsourcing the state’s Internally Generated Revenue (IGR) collection to Alpha Beta Consulting, a private firm widely alleged to be controlled by Tinubu. Opponents argued that the hefty percentages and commissions paid to the firm from state coffers constituted a massive conflict of interest and official corruption

2. Creation of LCDAs: Tinubu created 37 Local Council Development Areas (LCDAs) alongside the existing 20 local governments to expand governance. This triggered a massive constitutional standoff with the President Olusegun Obasanjo-led federal government, which viewed the move as illegal and consequently seized Lagos State’s local government statutory allocation funds for years. Critics blamed Tinubu's stubborn political maneuvering for temporarily starving local councils of essential development funds.

3. Erosion of Local Government Autonomy: His administration centralized key local functionalities by creating state boards, such as the Lagos State Waste Management Authority (LAWMA) and the Lagos State Signage and Advertisement Agency (LASAA). Critics argued this unlawfully stripped local government councils of their constitutional powers to collect tenement rates, regulate markets, and manage parks.

4. Asset Declaration Scrutiny: Opponents routinely questioned the source of his rapidly accumulating wealth during his tenure, accusing him of cronyism and converting state assets into private properties.

5. Hyper-Taxation: To boost the state's independent revenue, Tinubu introduced aggressive tax drives, new levies, and the Land Use Charge. Critics and civil rights groups argued these policies overburdened poor residents and small business owners.

Peter Obi is a failure by many metrics, and especially because of the things he was supposed to do that he didn't do. Not just because of the failed alcohol business.

Tinubu is also a failure by the metrics I listed above which he is being criticized for. There are also things Tinubu was supposed to do which he didn't do. Do you think you are smart?

How is Tinubu being hyped? Everything credited to Tinubu actually happened. While Obi is being credited with things he didn't do. Or, you don't know what the word hype means?

This dumbness is growing to new higher levels. What's your source to prove that Peter Obi is credited for doing things he didn't do? AI stated that Peter Obi is praised for doing well in financial prudence, healthcare and investments in education and you are telling me he is being credited for doing things he didn't do. This response further validates what I have been repeating here that you intentionally want to believe that Tinubu is GOOD while you intentionally want to believe Peter Obi is BAD. Please kindly leave this debate or else the more you hang around the more your sanity and intelligence will degrade further below.

My Question to AI: Who among both leaders can be said to have brought large scale rapid developments to their states? Be brief and concise.

Are you aware that Lagos state is a far richer state than Anambra thanks to federal government influence as the former capital of Nigeria? So there is no way Anambra will have the finances to carry out the kind of large scale projects that Lagos executes.

Nefort:
I have severely beaten you in this debate but shame wouldn't allow you to accept it.

Hey, I'm not here to beat you. That's your own palava. I'm here to tell you the truth. And you have changed mouths and dropped off many of your claims in the course of this debate. This means some truths eventually changed your perspectives. And that's okay. I have exposed sòmè of your lies, your biases and your hero worshipping. And, whatever is left, would still be dealt with even further.

The things you listed up there are not even the only things that Tinubu was criticized for. It was even Tinubu's fault that the federal government denied Lagos it's LGA funds.

I wasn't the one who listed them dear. You were the one who brought them from your AI, in case you also have a memory issue. You h attributed what AI said to me more often than not.

I asked AI to list what he was criticized for and it came up with the following list:

1. The Alpha Beta Monopoly: Critics heavily faulted the administration for outsourcing the state’s Internally Generated Revenue (IGR) collection to Alpha Beta Consulting, a private firm widely alleged to be controlled by Tinubu. Opponents argued that the hefty percentages and commissions paid to the firm from state coffers constituted a massive conflict of interest and official corruption

2. Creation of LCDAs: Tinubu created 37 Local Council Development Areas (LCDAs) alongside the existing 20 local governments to expand governance. This triggered a massive constitutional standoff with the President Olusegun Obasanjo-led federal government, which viewed the move as illegal and consequently seized Lagos State’s local government statutory allocation funds for years. Critics blamed Tinubu's stubborn political maneuvering for temporarily starving local councils of essential development funds.

3. Erosion of Local Government Autonomy: His administration centralized key local functionalities by creating state boards, such as the Lagos State Waste Management Authority (LAWMA) and the Lagos State Signage and Advertisement Agency (LASAA). Critics argued this unlawfully stripped local government councils of their constitutional powers to collect tenement rates, regulate markets, and manage parks.

4. Asset Declaration Scrutiny: Opponents routinely questioned the source of his rapidly accumulating wealth during his tenure, accusing him of cronyism and converting state assets into private properties.

5. Hyper-Taxation: To boost the state's independent revenue, Tinubu introduced aggressive tax drives, new levies, and the Land Use Charge. Critics and civil rights groups argued these policies overburdened poor residents and small business owners.

Tinubu is also a failure by the metrics I listed above which he is being criticized for. There are also things Tinubu was supposed to do which he didn't do. Do you think you are smart?

I love the word "also" in the bolded. In English, it simply means, "I agree Obi failed, but Tinubu also failed." But, don't fail Tinubu just because Obi did, okay?

Chai! Did this one go to school at all? I thought you'll bring such things as fiscal recklessness, embezzlement of state funds, neglect of key government functions, governmental ineptitude, etc.

So, creation of LCDAs is failure. Did he create them on your head? If they're unconstitutional, why didn't any court invalidate them? Did Tinubu create them for his family or for the good of Lagos? The LCDAs exist till today.

All states have their own legal constitutions. Governors are not under the control of any president. Obasanjọ was wrong. This is even one of the things Tinubu received significant praises for. Contracting state tax collection to a private organization is failure? I can now see that you are really unsound. No offense. You don't even know what it means to say government failed. How can you know what it means to say a government succeeded? Your illiteracy is on another level entirely.

If it's wrong, why has it not been reversed by the courts? It is still a active implementation in Lagos today. Or you think government actions are governed by your personal sentiments or AI nonesene? When did the centralization of some government functions such as LAWMA, etc become a failure? This is something Tinubu did that has helped Lagos today. When he stripped them off the LGs, did he mandate chairmen not to create parallel functions? Honestly, I never knew I was debating a rret@rdd till now.

How can anyone not see that Tinubu did all these in his zeal for a better Lagos?

This dumbness is growing to new higher levels. at's your source to prove that Peter Obi is credited for doing things he didn't do? AI stated that Peter Obi is praised for doing well in financial prudence, healthcare and investments in education and you are telling me he is being credited for doing things he didn't do. This response further validates what I have been repeating here that you intentionally want to believe that Tinubu is GOOD while you intentionally want to believe Peter Obi is BAD. Please kindly leave this debate or else the more you hang around the more your sanity and intelligence will degrade further below.

Can you now tell me exactly what he did for education apart from returning schools to missionaries? Tell me how many hospitals Obi built in Ananbra as part of his contributions to healthcare. Was it not during his tenure that doctors went on strike for 13 months? If you're not a simpleton, you would have shown workings instead of regurgitating the online propaganda picked by AI.

I am even alarmed that you're still gloating in spite of this blatant display of folly. I have not seen any iota of intelligence in your since we started discussing. All your references are attributable to someone whose brains have been captured.

Even the well thought out solutions that Tinubu implemented out of the box to solve Lagos' unique problems, you're here calling them failures. Such foolery!

If not for Tinubu, Lagos was such a very difficult place to live in, given the lack of organization and order coupled with high crime rate and unfathomable chaos. My first time in Lagos was 1988, and there was no apparent change in Lagos until the early 2000s when Tinubu was governor. Lagos bore all the marks of an old colonial city until Tinubu. The change was gradual but became more pronounced during Fasola's tenure. Fasola himself just executed what Tinubu had pre-planned for him. And Lagos today carries the new face of a modern city because of Tinubu's continuing legacy. If you don't know why he's called the father of modern Lagos, this is it.

Are you aware that Lagos state is a far richer state than Anambra thanks to federal government influence as the former capital of Nigeria? So there is no way Anambra will have the finances to carry out the kind of large scale projects that Lagos executes.

So, how did Soludo have the finance to do what he's currently doing? Lol.

Nobody is asking Obi to do what Tinubu did in Lagos. There are basic things government must do. Instead of Obi doing them, he stacked the funds away and only built roads. The state needs schools, hospitals, factories, farms, agricultural machinery, infrastructural developments, etc, rather than put money in these, he built an alcohol company and saved the rest of the money away. Then, he started claiming prudence. Is that prudence or stupidity? Poverty increased by 63% because the money that was supposed to flow into the state through projects and labour was held down in some accounts by the so called Mr Integrity. I wouldn't be surprised if he made profits off the interests accruing on those funds.

Obi's only cogent achievement is the 8,000 km roads he built. All other highlights of his government such as policies, return of schools to missionaries, etc are no achievements at all. AI only called them achievements because some dull citizens online have called them so.

You don't call actions that have positive effects on the people a failure. All you listed against Tinubu from your AI to tag him a failure are just signs of intellectual deficiency. A situation that occurs when a human can't think for himself. He let's AI do the thinking.

These were actions taken that have positively affected Lagos till today. They're all still in full implementation.

Now, let me teach you a little lesson. This is it:

A government fails when it refuses to do the things that it was supposed to do for the masses. What government was supposed to do that government didn't do, that's what is called failure. Failure is not building LCDAs, decentralizing government functions, outsourcing tax or creating LASTMA. Lol.

FxMasterz:
I love the word "also" in the bolded. In English, it simply means, "I agree Obi failed, but Tinubu also failed." But, don't fail Tinubu just because Obi did, okay?

You lack comprehension. It means if you believe Peter Obi failed using only the metrics of what he didn't get right then Tinubu also failed using your own methodology of assessing performance since Tinubu also had things he didn't do. Don't be dull.

Chai! Did this one go to school at all? I thought you'll bring such things as fiscal recklessness, embezzlement of state funds, neglect of key government functions, governmental ineptitude, etc.

These things where there if you can read properly. But you can't

So, creation of LCDAs is failure. Did he create them on your head? If they're unconstitutional, why didn't any court invalidate them? Did Tinubu create them for his family or for the good of Lagos? The LCDAs exist till today.

Doing what is unconstitutional is also failure. Don't even argue it. Under the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, a governor has zero executive powers to single-handedly create, declare, or establish any tier of local council.

Can you now tell me exactly what he did for education apart from returning schools to missionaries? Tell me how many hospitals Obi built in Ananbra as part of his contributions to healthcare. Was it not during his tenure that doctors went on strike for 13 months? If you're not a simpleton, you would have shown workings instead of regurgitating the online propaganda picked by AI.

I am even alarmed that you're still gloating in spite of this blatant display of folly. I have not seen any iota of intelligence in your since we started discussing. All your references are attributable to someone whose brains have been captured.

Even the well thought out solutions that Tinubu implemented out of the box to solve Lagos' unique problems, you're here calling them failures. Such foolery!

If not for Tinubu, Lagos was such a very difficult place to live in, given the lack of organization and order coupled with high crime rate and unfathomable chaos. My first time in Lagos was 1988, and there was no apparent change in Lagos until the early 2000s when Tinubu was governor. Lagos bore all the marks of an old colonial city until Tinubu. The change was gradual but became more pronounced during Fasola's tenure. Fasola himself just executed what Tinubu had pre-planned for him. And Lagos today carries the new face of a modern city because of Tinubu's continuing legacy. If you don't know why he's called the father of modern Lagos, this is it.


So, how did Soludo have the finance to do what he's currently doing? Lol.

Nobody is asking Obi to do what Tinubu did in Lagos. There are basic things government must do. Instead of Obi doing them, he stacked the funds away and only built roads. The state needs schools, hospitals, factories, farms, agricultural machinery, infrastructural developments, etc, rather than put money in these, he built an alcohol company and saved the rest of the money away. Then, he started claiming prudence. Is that prudence or stupidity? Poverty increased by 63% because the money that was supposed to flow into the state through projects and labour was held down in some accounts by the so called Mr Integrity. I wouldn't be surprised if he made profits off the interests accruing on those funds.

Obi's only cogent achievement is the 8,000 km roads he built. All other highlights of his government such as policies, return of schools to missionaries, etc are no achievements at all. AI only called them achievements because some dull citizens online have called them so.

You don't call actions that have positive effects on the people a failure. All you listed against Tinubu from your AI to tag him a failure are just signs of intellectual deficiency. A situation that occurs when a human can't think for himself. He let's AI do the thinking.

These were actions taken that have positively affected Lagos till today. They're all still in full implementation.

Now, let me teach you a little lesson. This is it:

A government fails when it refuses to do the things that it was supposed to do for the masses. What government was supposed to do that government didn't do, that's what is called failure. Failure is not building LCDAs, decentralizing government functions, outsourcing tax or creating LASTMA. Lol.

You always want to find reasons to claim that Tinubu performed excellently well, and you will also want to find excuses to defend his bad records, but you prefer to find reasons to claim that Peter Obi failed. If they offer you 10 million dollars to prove that Peter Obi didn't fail I know you will come up 1000 reasons why Peter Obi didn't fail and 1000 reasons why Tinubu failed. I no longer have the time to engage with someone who has already made up his mind to hate Peter Obi even if God himself reveals to you that his not a failure. Please go away.

Nefort:
You lack comprehension. It means if you believe Peter Obi failed using only the metrics of what he didn't get right then Tinubu also failed using your own methodology of assessing performance since Tinubu also had things he didn't do. Don't be dull.

Education is supposed to give you an analytical mind and an ability to see things objectively. As for you cannot even dissect AI findings and make your own conclusions instead of being misled my AI narratives. You're just too naive. I doubt your academic standing.

You're claiming I lack comprehension for something so obvious. That confirms your level of naivity. Ask your AIs, let them school you about the import of that 'ALSO' in your statement if English is a problem to you.

Your subconscious already accepted Obi as a failure, that's why you said 'Tinubu ALSO failed." Simple English has exposed your inner turbulence. Trying so hard to deny reality, you wanted to join Tinubu into Obi's failure. You can keep living in denial.

Tinubu did what he could with state money. The impact is still being felt till today. Your lord and savior stashed money away while the state suffered.

Don't say "Tinubu also failed' just because Obi failed.

These things where there if you can read properly. But you can't

Yen, yen, yen, yet you cannot reference them or provide verifiable sources for confirmation. Lol. Even AI couldn't tell us anything Obi built other than 8,000km road. He should have done more.

Doing what is unconstitutional is also failure. Don't even argue it. Under the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, a governor has zero executive powers to single-handedly create, declare, or establish any tier of local council.

Guy, this your intellectual slowness is quite befuddling. I just hope it's not what I'm thinking. If Obi impacted the state positively even with an unconstitutional action, no one would call him a failure.  At best, it would be said that he was overzealous. I can see that the exposure of your falsehood really upset you. Pele. You go dey alright. No one calls a positive impact a failure except illiterate nefort.

Have you ever  heard that "The End Justifies the Means"?

You always want to find reasons to claim that Tinubu performed excellently well, and you will also want to find excuses to defend his bad records, but you prefer to find reasons to claim that Peter Obi failed. If they offer you 10 million dollars to prove that Peter Obi didn't fail I know you will come up 1000 reasons why Peter Obi didn't fail and 1000 reasons why Tinubu failed. I no longer have the time to engage with someone who has already made up his mind to hate Peter Obi even if God himself reveals to you that his not a failure. Please go away.

Crying can't make Obi into what he's not. That can't change what he didn't do to what he did.

Sorry for the pain of realization.  it shall be well, okay? Crying won't change the situation.

You can go meet Obi maybe he'll give you a handkerchief to wipe your tears.

Obi was a failure by what he was supposed to do that he never did! Expectations were not met while money sat unused in accounts. Very wicked man. You stash money like that when there's nothing else the state needs.

Tinubu on the other hand went extra miles to impact his state. But, an illiterate is here calling that a failure because his AI said it was the subject of criticism.

FxMasterz:
Obi was a failure by what he was supposed to do that he never did!

That's great!!! And I am also saying that if I use this your reasoning to assess Tinubu's performance he will also be a failure because there were things Tinubu was supposed to do that he failed to do, and the failures were the reasons for all the criticisms he received. Why is this difficult to download into that dumb head?