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AntiChristian:
➜Allah is in the Arabic Language just as Yahweh (YHWH) is not available as a name in Koine Greek New Testament! ..

Wrong! Allah is NOT YHWH of Israel; the same way the Allah of the Islamists is not the Zeus of the Greeks. Rather, Allah is the word used for the Islamic deity that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, introduced. Yes, Allah can also be considered a generic term for "God", a term used to refer to each of the over 4000 different deities known to man today. However, there is no direct correlation between the term Allah and the particular deity of the israelites, YHWH. This much is evidenced in the fact that the term YHWH is never used in relation to Allah by Mohammed or any of his followers in any of the major Islamic texts. 😒

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! For the umpteenth time, to dissect what is contained in the Israelite Scripture, you have to concede that it is totally removed from what your religion of Islam holds to. What Islam has is totally different from what is made clear in the Books of the Israelite Scripture. Attempting to pretend they are the same is an example of theological false equivocation. 😒

In Israelite Scripture, the Holy Spirit is not regarded as a messenger of YHWH in the Israelite Scripture. He is instead regarded as being one with YHWH's very essence. Angels are created by YHWH, but the Spirit of YHWH is uncreated. Angels are messengers, but the Spirit of YHWH is instead YHWH's very own essence, carrying out YHWH's will. 😒

When you are told in the first chapters of Genesis that the Spirit of YHWH hovered over the earth, and that the breath/Spirit of YHWH would not always be with men, it was in regards to the essence of YHWH, not YHWH Himself. His Spirit carries out His Will. 😒

2. We are told that man was created in the image of YHWH, and then later the Spirit of YHWH was breathed by YHWH(from His essence) into man when YHWH created man. Later on, we are told that the same Spirit would not stay eternally with man because of man's sin. 😒

3. Are you insinuating that the Prophets did not know their YHWH well? They certainly knew that the Spirit of YHWH is one with YHWH... So? 😒

When David, in the book of Samuel, prayed for a forever King to ascend the throne of his bloodline, David was very much aware of the nature of YHWH. This he made clear in His Psalms. And when Isaiah announced in Isaiah 54 onwards of the coming of the Messiah, he, Isaiah, certainly understood well what was to come. Even Daniel knew this well when he committed the details of the vision of the 70 weeks of 7s in writing. 😒

There's no evidence of any prophet in the Bible knowing or preaching Trinity without ambiguity! It sure developed after Jesus! You are just trying to read it into the Old testament!

AntiChristian:
➜Show us where you get the interpretation from? Which Prophet gave the interpretations you gave above?
After Genesis 1:26 comes 27 - So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
So which image of God? Is it the image of the father or that of the son or that of the spirit? Remember "he" was used for "God" -Elohim.

Again, the image of the Father encompasses the image of the Our/Us highlighted in verse 26 of the same chapter of Genesis, which you quoted from. The Father's intention as reported in Genesis 1 vs 26 was to create man in the composite image of the Our/Us. And we are to understand that that is what He accomplished in verse 27 when He then created man in His own image. 😒

AntiChristian:
➜There's no evidence of any prophet in the Bible knowing or preaching Trinity without ambiguity!
➜ It sure developed after Jesus! You are just trying to read it into the Old testament!

So long as you keep mindlessly confusing YHWH with Allah of the Islamists, you will likely not see any of what has been there from the beginning. 😒

2. You mean it developed after the Life and the Truth(knowledge of good and evil) of God arrived on earth? Interesting! 😒

Kobojunkie:
So long as you keep mindlessly confusing YHWH with Allah of the Islamists, you will likely not see any of what has been there from the beginning. 😒

2. You mean it developed after the Life and the Truth(knowledge of good and evil) of God arrived on earth? Interesting! 😒

The thread is not about Allah but about Prophets who believed in God as the trinity!

Many Prophets call people to God in the Bible until John the Baptist. Show us they believed in trinity without ambiguity?

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Allah is NOT YHWH of Israel; the same way the Allah of the Islamists is not the Zeus of the Greeks. Rather, Allah is the word used for the Islamic deity that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, introduced. Yes, Allah can also be considered a generic term for "God", a term used to refer to each of the over 4000 different deities known to man today. However, there is no direct correlation between the term Allah and the particular deity of the israelites, YHWH. This much is evidenced in the fact that the term YHWH is never used in relation to Allah by Mohammed or any of his followers in any of the major Islamic texts. 😒

You are wrong! The God of Israel is the same Allah in the Qur'an. And this is just a deflection away from the OP!

AntiChristian:
➜You are wrong! The God of Israel is the same Allah in the Qur'an. And this is just a deflection away from the OP!

Unless you will also submit Zeus as another one of Allah's names. 😒

AntiChristian:
➜The thread is not about Allah but about Prophets who believed in God as the trinity!
➜ Many Prophets call people to God in the Bible until John the Baptist. Show us they believed in trinity without ambiguity?

You brought Allah of the Islamists into this thread. I didn't do that! 😒

2. I can't show you what you refuse to see for yourself. I mean, you are literally arguing that Genesis 1 vs 27 directly contravenes the claim made by the same YHWH in verse 26, when instead the second follows logically from the first. 😒

SIRTee15:
I sent it to u b4, I'm not bothering my head about that
Go and read your tanakh and stop acting ignorant

So it is either God is lying in Isaiah 45:5-7 or you did not understand the context of what Ezekiel was talking about...

Take your pick.

Kobojunkie:
1. What is stated in those passages directly correlate with what is written in Genesis chapter 1 through 3. Any private delusions/interpretations you wish to give them... I do not care to attend to.🥱

2. He is fictional yet a moment ago, you were certain he was no different from you. What a ridiculous delusion, yours must indeed be. 🥱🥱

Quote the passages let the whole world see it....why did you dodge it?

Kobojunkie:
Unless you will also submit Zeus as another one of Allah's names. 😒

Allah is the creator of all things!

What did Zeus create? Zeus can only be compared to the Christian Jesus who was alledged to be a man-God!

AntiChristian:
➜Allah is the creator of all things!
➜What did Zeus create? Zeus can only be compared to the Christian Jesus who was alledged to be a man-God!

1. Well, not according to the Quran, which instead says that Isa(the Islamic copy of the character of Jesus Christ of Israel)also had the power to create. So, things were also created from the Isa of Islam. 😒

2. Zeus was a creator too. He created order (law and justice), the cosmos, Islands, etc. Also, if we are to base it on creation abilities, is Allah of the Islamists Obatala (the Orisha of peace and purity) who created the Earth and humanity?

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, not according to the Quran, which instead says that Isa(the Islamic copy of the character of Jesus Christ of Israel)also had the power to create. So, things were also created from the Isa of Islam. 😒

This is false. Isa created everything by the leave of Allah. Just as Jesus had to pray and get authority/Power from his God!

2. Zeus was a creator too. He created order (law and justice), the cosmos, Islands, etc. Also, if we are to base it on creation abilities, is Allah of the Islamists Obatala (the Orisha of peace and purity) who created the Earth and humanity?

Allah created all things that exists unlike those things you mentioned who are said to create a few things in fables!

AntiChristian:
➜This is false. Isa created everything by the leave of Allah. Just as Jesus had to pray and get authority/Power from his God!
➜Allah created all things that exists unlike those things you mentioned who are said to create a few things in fables!

1. The fact that Allah, the supposed creator of all things, had Isa of Islam create some things by his leave implies that Isa of Islam has god attributes. Add to this the fact that the Quran states that Isa of Islam was taken to be with Allah--- not only did he not die but also there was no judgment or hell for him --- and you start to see something which is that in Islam, Isa of Islam has godhood attributed to him.** 😒

2. Created fables? This smells of prejudice! Allah(and Isa) of Islam created things together. Zeus is said to have created some things in his own universe. And Obatala is said to be the creator of all things in Yoruba land. Would you rather say that Allah of Islam is closer to Obatala of the Yoruba than to Zeus of the Greeks? 😒

**People like John of Damascus, a Syrian monk, understood this fact regarding what is contained in the Islamic texts from as far back as the 8th century AD. This is probably why he rightly wrote in his letter titled The Heresy of the Ishmaelites that Islam was a heretic sect of the religion of Christianity.