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| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 5:37am On May 10 |
TenQ:What's your point of reference for the hands? Error 404! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by RightChanneI: 6:57am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:You might need the Arabic since NL is an arabic class!
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| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by RightChanneI: 6:57am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Boy, have it I'm gonna talk to you larra!
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| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by TenQ: 8:25am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Al-Albani: 3136, Fiqh-based: ,302 It is narrated from Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah Almighty created the Pen first, held it in His right hand, and both hands of Allah Almighty are right hands. Then He wrote the world, and every good and evil deed done in the world, and every moist and dry thing, and counted all things in the Preserved Tablet with Him. Then He said: If you wish, recite this verse: 'This is Our Book that speaks about you in truth; indeed, We were recording what you used to do.' (Surah Al-Jathiyah: 29) Writing and copying occur only in that matter which has already been completed." Numbering of Silsilah Ahadith Sahiha by Albani: 3136 Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that: The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands." |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 8:41am On May 10 |
TenQ:This is not what you are asked. What's your point of comparison? Someone that is not comparable yet you keep shooting yourself in the neck! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 8:45am On May 10 |
RightChanneI:You lack comprehension! It's not about copy and paste or cutting out pictures. You just don't understand what you are typing! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by TenQ: 9:10am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Do you know anyone who has two right hands other than Allah? Allah is on a league of his own! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 9:13am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:You asked for the point of reference for his two right hands, dem give you but still complaining. Chigiidi ni allah |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 9:20am On May 10 |
Antlisiam:What's actually meant is what are you comparing the attributes of Allah to when Allah says He's incomparable to no one! AntiChristian: TenQ: |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by TenQ: 9:58am On May 10 |
AntiChristian:And you have been told that Allah has TWO right hands. This is one of Allah's attributes:TWO Right Hands. I don't know of any living thing with TWO right hands, do you know of any other than Allah? |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by honesttalk21: 10:43am On May 10 |
Authentic narrations mention that Allah has two Hands and that both are described as right hands (Sunan an-Nasa’i 5379). The Qur’an also says, Rather, both His Hands are outstretched (Qur’an 5:64) will explain in context shortly and I created with My two Hands (Qur’an 38:75). The most fitting way to understand this is to affirm it exactly as it has been revealed that Allah has two real Hands in a way that suits His majesty. Both are described as right to express complete perfection, honor, and the absence of any deficiency without comparing them to creation and without asking how, since there is nothing like unto Him (Qur’an 42:11). Al-Ma'idah - 5:64 And the Jews said, “Allah’s hand is shackled.” Shackled are their hands, and they were cursed for what they said! Rather, both His hands are outstretched; He spends as He wills. And most surely, what was sent down to you from your Lord will increase many of them in exceeding all limits and in denial. And We cast between them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they kindle a fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. And they rush about in the land spreading corruption, and Allah does not love corrupters. -(Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation) This is explained as when the Jews were faced with difficulty and drought, they said, ‘Allah’s Hand is restrained from giving goodness and gifts. He is holding back from us what He has’. Their hands were restrained from doing goodness and they were removed from Allah’s mercy because of this statement of theirs. But in fact Allah’s Hands are wide open in goodness and generosity. He spends as He wills. He gives and He withholds. No one can stop Him or force Him. That which has been revealed to you, O Messenger, only increases the Jews in disobedience and disbelief because of their envy. He placed enmity and hatred between the various groups of the Jews. Whenever they gather to conspire for war and made preparation for it, Allah broke their unity and took away their strength. They continuously strive to do that which causes corruption in the earth by their attempts to wipe out Islam and by their plots against it. |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Gabrielshow26: 11:53am On May 10 |
Explore2xmore:😂What a guy😂! I don't know, between you and honesttalk21, who does Allah more disservice🤦🏾♂️. By the way, thank you, for you admission. And I must say, Explore2xmore, you’ve finally done it. You’ve officially admitted that your god is a fan-fiction writer😂. You’ve conceded that the Alexander Romance is a human-made, non-divine fable. Yet, your "Omniscient" Allah managed to copy&paste the exact same "horns," "muddy spring," and "iron wall" into his "Eternal Book.🤕" By your own admission, the Quran is a Divine Book containing secular fiction. Let me highlight why your admission does Allah a great disservice 🤦🏾♂️.Your admission that the Alexander Romance is not divine is the Death Blow to your argument. What you failed to realize is that If a human writes a story about a man traveling to the setting sun (a physical impossibility), it’s called a myth.And If an Omniscient God, supposedly👀, repeats that exact same myth as historical fact, He isn't "correcting" it; He is validating a lie. Thus, your claim of adding a "moral lesson" makes it a "correction" is Absolute nonsense. If I take the legend of the Easter Bunny and say, "The bunny works for Allah👀," I haven't corrected history—I’ve just added a religious skin to a campfire story. Basically, you’ve admitted your god used pagan fables as his building blocks. 🥱What a god! What a Muslim! To your next claim, which I find rather funny. I noticed you demanded for a "textual transmission chain" like we’re in a 7th-century courtroom🥱. Let’s use Occam’s Razor again since your AI keeps blunting it🤦🏾♂️: 1. The myth exists in the region before the Quran. 2. The Quran repeats the myth. 3. The contemporaries literally shouted, "These are just fables of the ancients!" (68:15). You don’t need a signature on a papyrus to see the plagiarism🤨. If I walk into a room and you’re wearing my shirt, holding my phone, and reciting my password, I don't need a "transmission chain" to know you’ve been in my closet🤷. You are desperately demanding a level of proof that no historian requires because you know the circumstantial evidence is a mountain that’s about to crush your theology. 🤦🏾♂️ I love how you spent half your response obsessing over "shin🤧" and "hands💅". You focused on those minor points because the actual problem—the blatant copying of human fables—is undefendable. You cited 42:11 ("Nothing is like Him" to "flatten" the descriptions🥱. This is the ultimate damage control. If the text says "hand" and "shin" and "color," and then says "But he’s not like anything," it’s not "nuanced theology"—it’s a contradiction. You are using a 14th-century "interpretive tradition" to fix a 7th-century author's inability to stay consistent. Your "tradition" is just a long-running "Fix-it" fiction for a god👀 who described Himself too humanly🤧.Let me also address your special pleading in the form of "Independent revelation"🤕.Your theory has been that "similarities can emerge independently" but I find this, the peak of special pleading. If the Quran independently "revealed" that Jesus breathed life into clay birds—a story found only in the apocryphal Infancy Gospel of Thomas—then why did Allah only "reveal" the fake miracles from the wrong books?🤦🏾♂️ Why does Allah never "independently reveal" a historical fact that wasn't already a popular legend in 7th-century Arabia?🤷 Thus, your "omniscient god" seems strangely and oddly🤨 limited to the library of a 7th-century caravan trader. He "independently reveals" myths, but he can't "independently reveal" basic historical facts or information about his prophets🥱. What a god! What a Muslim! In conclusion, you’ve admitted the Alexander Romance is human. You’ve admitted the Quran shares its motifs. You’ve admitted it happened in the same "cultural environment." In the real world, this is called Derivation. In your world, it’s a "Miracle.🤦🏾♂️" You’re not defending scholarship; you’re defending a Chimera—a beast made of Jewish legends, Christian apocrypha, and pagan fables, stitched together with "moral lessons" to hide the seams.😮💨 With this, you’ve definitely run out of "transmission chain" excuses😁. Thus, Your god was quoting secular fiction as Divine Truth. Concede the plagiarism, or keep pretending that your "perfect Book" isn't just a 7th-century "rehashed myth compilation". Which is it? 🥱🚮 One last thing for the reader. Notice, how he still hasn't explained why his omniscient god would copy an error (the sun setting in a muddy spring) from a human fable he admits is non-divine. If the source is a lie, and the Quran repeats the lie, then the Quran is... well, you do the math. 🤧 |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Explore2xmore: 1:00pm On May 10 |
Gabrielshow26, your argument repeatedly moves from possibility to certainty without demonstrating the intermediate steps required for that leap. Similarity alone does not establish plagiarism. If it did, then the Bible would also be accused of plagiarism for sharing themes with earlier Near Eastern literature. Serious historians do not rely on surface resemblance; they look for direct dependence, identifiable transmission routes, linguistic borrowing, and structural copying. What you have demonstrated so far is possible influence, not necessary plagiarism. Your muddy spring objection also assumes the verse must be read as literal cosmology. Yet the Qur’an describes Dhul-Qarnayn as finding the sun setting there in language that reflects perceptual experience rather than scientific description, much like saying sunset today without implying physical descent into water. You also treat shared motifs as automatic borrowing. But religious texts regularly engage existing narratives, reshape them, and redirect them toward theological meaning. The presence of parallels does not, by itself, establish dependence. Most importantly, your reasoning relies heavily on rhetorical framing rather than evidence terms like fan-fiction, caravan trader, and “What a god!” may be forceful, but they are not arguments. In the end, what has been shown is the existence of parallels and a shared Late Antique narrative environment. What has not been shown is direct copying, demonstrable textual dependence, or intentional plagiarism. That gap is precisely where your certainty exceeds your evidence and what you need to close. Gabrielshow26: |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 1:11pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Bobo, I'm very sure your alfas and your imams won't tell you that allah has two right hands |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 2:24pm On May 10 |
Antlisiam:Allah has several attributes which is clear from the Qur'an and sunnah! What you can't comprehend is the how His attributes are! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 2:27pm On May 10 |
TenQ:All of you lack comprehension! What right hand are you comparing Allah's hands with? He has said He's unlike any other! This behaviour na classic Galatians 3:1 behaviour! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by RightChanneI: 2:36pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Define comprehension and tell this forum what you can comprehend from the hadith given to you if it has nothing to do with allah's two right hands! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 3:03pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:So part of his attribute is two right hands without any left hand side? ![]() No living thing will have such a shape except demon.. |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by TenQ: 3:54pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Is this man either dumb or feigning IGNORANCE or both? Allah has hands just as humans have hands BUT Allah has TWO Right Hands. There isn't anyone in existence that has two right hands. In this way, Allah is unlike anyone in existence. |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by BlackfireX(op): 5:12pm On May 10 |
Antlisiam:Ogbenu tan Islam will make a big claim When you look at internal evidence and outward evidence it contradict itself. Claim : Allah is not like his creation Look at evidence: Allah has 2 right hands, has face covered with veil like eleha |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 6:46pm On May 10 |
TenQ:I am telling you Allah's attributes are not comparable to anything else! You are still saying these nonsense! Na me even get time to dey answer you! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by AntiChristian: 6:52pm On May 10 |
Antlisiam:Chai! How una comprehension be like this o? |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 7:22pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:This your run away tactics won't work here
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| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 7:25pm On May 10 |
BlackfireX:Eleha And Chiigidi |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by TenQ: 8:29pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:And I am agreement with you. Allah has TWO hands both at his right side. What can one compare this attribute with? Nothing! Is it possible to find a living being with two right hands; no one indeed like Allah |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by RightChanneI: 11:38pm On May 10 |
AntiChristian:Yes you're right, allah's attribute with his two right hands can't be compare to anything. Guy, you're very correct! |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by BlackfireX(op): 10:04am On May 11 |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by BlackfireX(op): 2:29am On May 28 |
Antlisiam:E shock am Allah says he is not like his creation Then we looked in the Quran and hadiths BAAAAMMM BIZARRE BODY PARTS EVERYWHERE |
| Re: Description Of Allah From The Quran, Hadiths , Tasfir And Sirats* by Antlisiam: 2:47am On May 28 |
BlackfireX:He shock him Even Expanse2020 and doffman were shocked |
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to "flatten" the descriptions🥱. This is the ultimate damage control. If the text says "hand" and "shin" and "color," and then says "But he’s not like anything," it’s not "nuanced theology"—it’s a contradiction. You are using a 14th-century "interpretive tradition" to fix a 7th-century author's inability to stay consistent. Your "tradition" is just a long-running "Fix-it" fiction for a god👀 who described Himself too humanly🤧.