₦airaland Forum

LordBiden:
And you forgot igbos are mainly traders who need Nigerians to patronize their goods.
And that's the sole reason they are scattered across Nigeria.

LordBiden:
And you forgot igbos are mainly traders who need Nigerians to patronize their goods.
And that's the sole reason they are scattered across Nigeria.

lawani:
Igbos do not need Nigeria

Outside that Igbos are overly represented at the center, there is nothing I can see that they are gaining in Nigeria. So I don't agree with the idea that Igbos need Nigeria.

Many Igbos say they have invested in Lagos but on a per Capita basis it is not more than what the Yoruba have invested in Port Harcourt and etc and there will be no abandoned properties if Nigeria breaks up. It is only that if you are not a citizen you will not be able to vote where you are. I don't see that as a significant development because Igbos have never been able to win one percent of electoral positions in Lagos even as they are able to vote. So nothing significant will change if they are no longer able to vote. What they need is to be able to do their business. The Yoruba and etc also will no longer be able to vote in Onitsha, Awka, Port Harcourt and etc if Nigeria breaks up but they will not stop doing business in those places.

So I do not understand what some people mean when they say Igbos need Nigeria. No group needs the kind of country which Nigeria has become.

lawani:
Igbos do not need Nigeria

Outside that Igbos are overly represented at the center, there is nothing I can see that they are gaining in Nigeria. So I don't agree with the idea that Igbos need Nigeria.

Many Igbos say they have invested in Lagos but on a per Capita basis it is not more than what the Yoruba have invested in Port Harcourt and etc and there will be no abandoned properties if Nigeria breaks up. It is only that if you are not a citizen you will not be able to vote where you are. I don't see that as a significant development because Igbos have never been able to win one percent of electoral positions in Lagos even as they are able to vote. So nothing significant will change if they are no longer able to vote. What they need is to be able to do their business. The Yoruba and etc also will no longer be able to vote in Onitsha, Awka, Port Harcourt and etc if Nigeria breaks up but they will not stop doing business in those places.

So I do not understand what some people mean when they say Igbos need Nigeria. No group needs the kind of country which Nigeria has become.

louqas:
As business orientated people that igbos are , rejecting the largest Market in Africa is insanity and will affect you negatively
But then, what do we know when Igbos already knew everything

lawani:
Explain how the Igbo are more business oriented than say the Hausa?

LordBiden:
And you forgot igbos are mainly traders who need Nigerians to patronize their goods.
And that's the sole reason they are scattered across Nigeria.

louqas:
Never said this, but I get your confusion, acknowledging that they are business orientated doesn't mean they are the best.

lawani:
Most Igbos that I know, that I have met are not traders. They are distributed among the occupations like any other people and in any state in Nigeria, 90 percent of the traders are local people. Igbos only specialize in a few tiny sectors and they are not the only ones in those sectors. Hausa and Yoruba too have sectors they specialize in. Then in the North outside Abuja, Igbo population will not surpass 700k. Population of southerners in the North can't exceed two percent of the total and Igbos can not exceed one third of that population. Do the Maths. In the SW, Igbos can not exceed 2 million if up to that and all groups are scattered around like that. Therefore if other groups can manage then Igbo too can manage. Also, they can change business if they want and invest in another thing. What is important is to prosper in whatever you are doing and have peace of mind

FSBoperator:
They don't need Nigeria you say?

Let's start with FAAC allocations and VAT earnings to be specific. With that alone you can see SE is the welfare queen of Nigeria .

How about food ?

Last time Ojukwu dragged you into a war, you starved yourselves within just 7months following the liberation of the present SS.

How about Ibos being the ones maximizing to the fullest the Nigerian franchise by being the most dispersed people within Nigeria. This internal diaspora accounts for a very huge share of SE economy .

Let's also look into the Ibo retail business that depends largely on FX sourced from SS oil and a huge market that is Nigeria.

If Ibos leave Nigeria, it's their loss and not ours.

lawani:
The allocations is skewed in their favor but if they take their oil, they will still have even more than what they have now. However Nigeria run by taxes as it is now will by next year revolt against the 1999 constitution naturally as it will be clear that Igbos benefit far more than others

On food they produce, they import and they export just like other parts of Nigeria. The land can produce more value from agriculture than it consumes as it has cassava, palm oil and many other things in excess for export. What they take from the rest of Nigeria is mainly beans, onions, pepper etc and they pay for it with what they export including food

Igbos are not the most dispersed in Nigeria. If people are killed in Jos tomorrow there will be Yoruba among them as it has been like that for years now. Even when no Igbo among the casualties there will still be Yoruba. I am willing to bet that there is no Northern city where Igbo outnumber the Yoruba. Igbo dispersed in Nigeria will be less than 4 million people and Yoruba and Hausa dispersed in Nigeria will individually surpass that number

This year over 150 billion dollars will flow into Nigeria and maybe 30 billion dollars is oil, so nobody is depending on forex earned by oil money. Not even the FG any longer

FSBoperator:
Which oil?

Go and locate the last oil production figures per state and see that Ondo state produces more oil than the entire SE combined.

You have no leverage in this Nigeria.

newnigeriannew:
But you needed one Nigeria, when some parts of the South South were in the former eastern region who were being marginalised, because a South East man was in power then.

When South East were in power and Niger Delta wanted the Niger Delta republic as they were being marginalised by the south east, the South East were the ones that stopped them.

"before Ojuku a south east man declared the
republic of biafra in may 1967
Isaac adaka boro an Ijaw man had already declared the
Niger delta republic in february 1966.
boro had formed the niger delta
volunteer force an armed militia with
members consisting mainly of his fellow
ethnic group declared the niger delta
republic on february 23 1966 and fought
nigeria's federal forces for 12 days but
they were eventually defeated and then
jailed by the Ironsi a south east man in the federal
military government [and Ojuku a south eastern governor] for treason"

But it was Gowon from Kanke Local Government Area in Plateau State that later set boro free and boro later became a major in the Nigeria army and helped to tame the Biafra army.

The South East started the civil war because they wanted to take the lands and oil of the Niger Delta and their sea ports from the people that own the Niger Delta, because the Europeans came and created Nigeria and put some parts of the Niger Delta in the SE then and the south east coup of 1967 made Ojukwu the military governor of the SE region.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVRx3RhN3XE

CorrectionFLuid:
There's only one region where the minorities campaigned extensively to leave and form its own region. And that region is the west.

You guys love accusing others of what you are guilty of.

The Midwest fought to part ways from you people because of your wickedness. That never happened in the old eastern region.

Adaka boro fought to leave Nigeria, not east. And he didn't recruit his soldiers overnight. It happened through years of northern oil domination of their land which is still ongoing today with connivance from your people.

Don't paint it like Ironsi came to power, and boom, he recruited fighters and want to leave due to oppression from a very new government. It takes time to recruit people who will put their lives on the line for a cause.

Even the old Midwest, you have installed iyaloja there, imposing your culture upon them with the small presidency you got. I mean, they have left you and your oppression, but you refuse to leave them and to stop oppressing them.

If you can do this now regardless of their opinion, only God knows how it used to be back then.

Stop accusing people of things you are guilty of.

newnigeriannew:
You are describing what you were doing in the Eastern Region that made Boro ask for the Niger Delta Republic, which was stopped by the SE leadership that was in power then.

Added:
Mind you the West allowed the Mid-West to stand on their own, till Biafra came and attacked them for no reason.

Added:
Mind you the West allowed the Mid-West to stand on their own, till Biafra came and attacked them for no reason.

CorrectionFLuid:
Adaka boro is one man. The minorities of the old eastern region had their council which consisted of politicians, elites and traditional rulers of the time. They did not campaign extensively to leave the east.

That action happened in only one region of this country, and that was the west. They left And still, it hasn't stopped you from oppressing them even as of today.

CorrectionFLuid:
There's only one region where the minorities campaigned extensively to leave and form its own region. And that region is the west.

CorrectionFLuid:
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The Midwest couldn't stomach your atrocities on them that they had to start protesting and campaigning vehemently to leave you less than 3 years after independence.

They finally got it in 1963. 3 years. Ordinary 3 years!!!

Yiu couldn't keep them for ordinary 3 years yet you point accusing fingers.

If the eastern minorities were oppressed so much as you claim, why didn't they borrow a leaf from the Midwest and leave too?

Instead they stuck with us through thick and thin. Braved the civil war with us, and finally, you had to come in and separate us with military force.

And that evil army of division was headed by no other than a man from the same region that oppressed the Midwest out of their region.

FSBoperator:
God almighty you guys can lie.

The western region remains the only region to have entertained and granted a plebiscite at their regional house in Ibadan for the seccesion of the minority provinces that will later become known as Midwestern Nigeria that is today Edo and Delta state.

It's also public knowledge that the motion was raised in Ibadan by a Yoruba man and the majority Yoruba house adopted it without debate.

After the conclusion of the referendum, it was still a Yoruba man at the Federal Parliament in Lagos that moved a motion for the Parliament to ratify the plebiscite and recognise the creation of Midwestern region.

The agitation to leave western Nigeria was started by the then Oba of Benin who for not wanting to be treated lower in the House of Chiefs began the agitation.

Note that western Nigeria was the only region to operate a bimecurial system with the House of Commons being reserved for elected members and the House of Chiefs (similar to the British House of Lords) that was reserved for first class traditional rulers. This house of chiefs served as the Senate .

Now let's go to both the north and eastern Nigeria.

The mantra "one north" was coined by the Sardunna to declare that the north will not be balkanized. This was due to the agitation of the now present middle belt aka Pagan Provinces to leave Northern Nigeria.

In your Eastern region, agitation to leave by the minorities was squashed by the Ibo majorirties almost immediately the region was created in 1951.

Western Cameroun opted to leave Eastern Nigeria citing severe marginalisation by the Ibo majority in Enugu regional house.

Their wish was granted by the British in 1960 before independence.

The minorities in Eastern Nigeria then began their clamour for their own separate region ; Calabar -Ogoja-Rivers region comprising today of present day Rivers, Bayelsa , Akwa Ibom and Cross Rivers.

Zik even warned his Ibo majority that any balkanization of the then eastern region by granting the wishes of the coastal minorities will see what is left of the Eastern region, the poorest in the federation and to that effect, the Ibo majority did everything to prevent minority MPs from even mentioning any talk of secession from the Eastern region.

The minorities then took their plight to the Federal Parliament in Lagos and secured the support of the north, western and newly created Midwestern Federal MPs to grant a plebiscite for the minorities .

This was in late1965 and the matter was rescheduled to the next year and placed as top priority in the docket of parliament to be addressed after the Christmas break

A few days before the federal house was to convene, you Ibos struck and dismantled regional govt, imposed yourselves as supreme leaders in a centrist system.

This is why the date Jan 15 is very important because the house was just days from reconvening.


One Adaka Boro knew what motivated the coup and he declared secession from Nigeria under Niger Delta Republic.

Zik ordered Ironsi to stomp out the rebellion which was outsourced to Ojukwu who went on an earth scorching mission pillaging minority communities . This forced Adara Boro to surrender to Ojukwu.

Boro was driven to Lagos in the boot of a salon car naked and only given a pair of jeans and no shirt when he was arraigned for high treason . His trial was accelerated and he was sentenced to death by hanging.

Meanwhile the bastards that carried out the coup were living comfortably in prison with their salaries still being paid and promotions even approved by Ironsi.

The rest is the real history you refuse to acknowledge.

newnigeriannew:
The South West allowed a democratic process but the Eastern region did now allow room for such. That was why Boro later had to declare Niger delta republic in february 1966.

After the South West allowed the Mid-West to stand on their own it was still Biafra that did not like such and came and attacked the Mid-West just 4 years after for no reason.

FSBoperator
Aswani
Lawani

Comeback and answer this post from a thinking person.

CorrectionFLuid:
Biafra didn't like Midwest and attacked it... Lolz

SMH. I think I've made my point by exposing you and your ilks, reason why you're beginning to sound like a drunk. And after this I may not respond to you any further.

Even awolowo was against the creation of the Midwest, and he fought against it.

I have mentioned prominent men who said "no we will no longer tolerate the atrocities meted on us by the west, and we want out"

Till today, you can't bring forth any prominent example of the so-called separatists of the old east.

Adaka boro was not a prominent person of the time, he wasn't even up to the level of Nnamdi kanu. He was more of a Simon ekpa. And he wanted out of Nigeria. Not separation for the eastern region,the way the Midwest did.

Stop accusing people of what you are guilty of.

CorrectionFLuid:
Your people are well known for accusing others of what they are guilty of.

You opened your comment with "God almighty you can lie". Then went ahead to do just that.

So Yoruba people campaigned for the freedom of the Midwest... Wonderful.

I'm very certain you're of the camp that lie that Tinubu willingly nominated osibanjo for VP and stepped down for him.

I'm also certain you're one of those who lie that madam Tinubu the slave trader fought against slavery and slave trade.

Y'all would commit atrocities, then turn around to play hero when exposed.

With this submission of yours, you just rubbished the struggles of the following Midwest legends

Oba Akenzua II
Chief Humphrey Omo-Osagie
Chief Dennis Osadebay
Chief Anthony Enahoro
Chief Festus Okotie-Eboh

And many more.

You've tried to take away their struggle for their people, and what it means for those people and the generations after them, just because you want to whitewash a history stained with atrocities.

esnbrutality:
FSBoperator
Aswani
Lawani

Comeback and answer this post from a thinking person.

CorrectionFLuid:
Biafra didn't like Midwest and attacked it... Lolz

SMH. I think I've made my point by exposing you and your ilks, reason why you're beginning to sound like a drunk. And after this I may not respond to you any further.

Even awolowo was against the creation of the Midwest, and he fought against it.

I have mentioned prominent men who said "no we will no longer tolerate the atrocities meted on us by the west, and we want out"

Till today, you can't bring forth any prominent example of the so-called separatists of the old east.

Adaka boro was not a prominent person of the time, he wasn't even up to the level of Nnamdi kanu. He was more of a Simon ekpa. And he wanted out of Nigeria. Not separation for the eastern region,the way the Midwest did.

Stop accusing people of what you are guilty of.

CorrectionFLuid:
Biafra didn't like Midwest and attacked it... Lolz

SMH. I think I've made my point by exposing you and your ilks, reason why you're beginning to sound like a drunk. And after this I may not respond to you any further.

Even awolowo was against the creation of the Midwest, and he fought against it.

I have mentioned prominent men who said "no we will no longer tolerate the atrocities meted on us by the west, and we want out"

Till today, you can't bring forth any prominent example of the so-called separatists of the old east.

Adaka boro was not a prominent person of the time, he wasn't even up to the level of Nnamdi kanu. He was more of a Simon ekpa. And he wanted out of Nigeria. Not separation for the eastern region,the way the Midwest did.

Stop accusing people of what you are guilty of.