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MaxInDHouse:
The Bible teaches that it's through one man all humans became sinners {Romans 5:12} and that man was Adam so it's reasonable to ask if the wages of Adam's sin is just death or eternal punishment because he is the first and foremost sinner whose sin infected all inhabitants of the earth.

So if the Bible says the wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} what exactly does the verse that says "it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment" really mean? Hebrews 9:27🤔

Romans 6:23 talks about spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in hell. It also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Take note of the word in bold format. It simply contrasts eternal life with eternal death.

The death, however, referred to in the book of Hebrews 9:27 is the physical death all men must experience, a doorway to a new reality—the spiritual reality. This scripture made physical death or decomposition of matter an unalterable physical law of God that applies to the living.

MaxInDHouse:
I never said Christ's death accomplished nothing in fact at his last breath Jesus said:

“It has been accomplished!” John 19:30

So i believe Jesus' death accomplished something vital for the salvation of obedient mankind. John 3:16

My question is:

If God told Adam that he will die for his disobedience {Genesis 2:17} and that is exactly what happened to Adam would other disobedient humans also die too or they will be judged again for their sins after dying?

What of Adam?
Will he also be judged again for putting all his descendants into thousands of years of suffering, sickness and death?🤔

You want to read your own interpretation into the scriptures.

Adam died because he lost the nature God gave him and donned the sinful nature. That does not mean Adam made up for his sin by death. No human can actually redeem himself or herself from the consequences of sin. It was only the second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ who could do that.

CaptainJune:
Romans 6:23 talks about spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in hell. It also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Take note of the word in bold format. It simply contrasts eternal life with eternal death.
The death, however, referred to in the book of Hebrews 9:27 is the physical death all men must experience, a doorway to a new reality—the spiritual reality. This scripture made physical death or decomposition of matter an unalterable physical law of God that applies to the living.

Are humans existing before creation?
If not are you saying there is something indestructible that lives on after death of humans?
What about Adam?
Did he exist after his physical death?🤔

CaptainJune:
You want to read your own interpretation into the scriptures.
Adam died because he lost the nature God gave him and donned the sinful nature. That does not mean Adam made up for his sin by death. No human can actually redeem himself or herself from the consequences of sin. It was only the second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ who could do that.

So what exactly happened to Adam since God told him that the wages of his sin is death? Genesis 2:17; 3:19🤔

Kobojunkie:
4000 religions each claiming a different deity from all the others means this oneness relationship as prescribed by religion is nothing but fraud after all. 😒

''As prescribed by religion''?

Who told you that ''RELIGION'' prescribed ONENESS?

It is the accounts of NDEs that EXPOSE it. Religions 'prescribe' separation and exclusivity, particularly Abrahamic religions.

2. Interesting claim! Yet there are individuals born in those same countries who still belong to the religion of Christianity, even though many of them do so in hiding. Not only that, there are Islamists born and raised in China as well. It seems all you scammers-in-the-lords really do operate on the very same level of intelligence after all. I wonder why people fall for your lies. 😒

USE YOUR BRAIN. Of course there is a tiny minority of christians and muslims in those places. THE POINT IS that the overwhelming majority of people there have no exposure to Christianity, and so NO RELIGION is ''the only truth'' since no religion is equally accessible to all humans. God cannot insist that one religion is the ''only truth'', AND BASE 'SALVATION' on 'acceptance' of that truth, if that religion is not equally accessible and known to ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.

FYI... I am not a Christian, and I am also anti-religion.

NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU ARE ''AGAINST''.

Only narcissistic, toxic cowards shout what they are 'against' (in order to feel superior to others) but never say what they are 'for' (to avoid challenge and interrogation).

TELL US WHAT YOU ARE FOR, ON ANYTHING.

What do you BELIEVE about anything? Including what happens at death, and what is your PROOF for that belief?

Kushites:
✓ ''As prescribed by religion''? Who told you that ''RELIGION'' prescribed ONENESS? It is the accounts of NDEs that EXPOSE it. Religions 'prescribe' separation and exclusivity, particularly Abrahamic religions. USE YOUR BRAIN. Of course there is a tiny minority of christians and muslims in those places. THE POINT IS that the overwhelming majority of people there have no exposure to Christianity, and so NO RELIGION is ''the only truth'' since no religion is equally accessible to all humans. God cannot insist that one religion is the ''only truth'', AND BASE 'SALVATION' on 'acceptance' of that truth, if that religion is not equally accessible and known to ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU ARE ''AGAINST''.
Only narcissistic, toxic cowards shout what they are 'against' (in order to feel superior to others) but never say what they are 'for' (to avoid challenge and interrogation).
TELL US WHAT YOU ARE FOR, ON ANYTHING.
What do you BELIEVE about anything? Including what happens at death, and what is your PROOF for that belief?

Stop spewing religious gobbledegook at me already if you have nothing sensible to provide. 🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Are humans existing before creation?
If not are you saying there is something indestructible that lives on after death of humans?
What about Adam?
Did he exist after his physical death?🤔

My previous replies already answered your questions.

CaptainJune:
My previous replies already answered your questions.

If you think so but God never said any part of Adam will survive death because death is what Adam used to pay for his rebellion.
Resurrection on the other hand came not for everyone but only the righteous and unrighteous as for wicked people they have no share during the resurrection of the death! Psalms 9:17

CaptainJune:
I said when a person dies the next thing is judgment. What is the meaning of judgment to you? Does it mean heaven or hell to you? Are you trying to play ignorant to the meaning of judgment?

Where were they when Jesus brought them back to life? That is not the subject of this discussion.

Where does this judgment happen?

MaxInDHouse:
If you think so but God never said any part of Adam will survive death because death is what Adam used to pay for his rebellion.
Resurrection on the other hand came not for everyone but only the righteous and unrighteous as for wicked people they have no share during the resurrection of the death! Psalms 9:17

Misinformation is the primary reason the scriptures in plain english appear like calculus to you. If you keep holding on to this erroneous view of yours you have a date with rude awakening.

Truthseeker10:
Where does this judgment happen?

I'm sorry, but do you need specific address like 12, Starry Avenue, Andromeda galaxy?

Axis313:
Is there no punishment for bad guys?
Are they going to go scot free like that .

Evil begets evil
Being good has its fruits too.
But then, it's a world free for all to act

CaptainJune:
Misinformation is the primary reason the scriptures in plain english appear like calculus to you. If you keep holding on to this erroneous view of yours you have a date with rude awakening.

The only misinformation here is you mimicking Satan who said humans can't really die {Genesis 3:4} when God's word says humans can die. Genesis 2:17🙂

Kobojunkie:
Stop spewing religious gobbledegook at me already if you have nothing sensible to provide. 🥱

IN OTHER WORDS, NO RESPONSE AND NO BELIEFS ON ANYTHING.

Just like I said.

JUST FAKED INCREDULOUS "DISBELIEF" TO MAKE YOURSELF APPEAR KNOWLEDGEABLE AND IMPORTANT.

JUST GO AWAY.

YOU CAN TRY THAT PSYCHOLOGY ON LITTLE KIDS.

NOT ME.

OKAY?

You can't even state your beliefs on what happens after death.

Because YOU ARE AFRAID TO BE CHALLENGED.

You just sit back, wait for OTHERS to state their beliefs, and then you attack them.

GO AWAY!!!

YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED.

CaptainJune:
I'm sorry, but do you need specific address like 12, Starry Avenue, Andromeda galaxy?

If you don't know where the judgement happens, that's OK. When does the judgement happen after death, immediately after death or they have to wait till a future judgment day?