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Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Wispower: 10:49pm On Jun 02
bewla:
No then let's face Iran without usa
Don't let Iran hear this from your gaulible mouth
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by erad(m): 10:51pm On Jun 02
Guess Trump is starting to realize you don't share a table with monsters. He put a genocidal foreign country's interest above the interest of the people that voted him in, this is his 'thank you'.

Would love to see how this plays out. He got into a senseless war on their behalf, which he's losing by the way.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by ElevationD: 10:51pm On Jun 02
God1000:
A lot of confusion now in the enemies camp, Taco got played by satanyahu and he suddenly woke up
I know that you must be talking confusion in the camp of the evil mullahs and their proxies.

Trump let off Iran in April.
The same Trump had let off Hezbollah.

Let Netanyahu find the opportunity and you will know much thank you already know, that terrorists are only responsive to the language of endless violence. Trump has saved Hezbollah today. However, remember that Israel has crossed Litani river and seized those areas. Maybe that is more evidence of confusion in the camp of Hezbollah, as they do not have the response to get that area back.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by psalmsjob: 10:53pm On Jun 02
God1000:
A lot of confusion now in the enemies camp, Taco got played by satanyahu and he suddenly woke up
Or they are playing pimg pong with you guys.... why hasn't iran continued fighting against US blockage of their seaport or why are they not bombing isreal to force them to stop fighting hezbollah?

Why are they stylishly begging for seize fire....you better tell iran to give Taco what he wants or he will unleash satanyanhu on Lebanon and on iran.

Una just like propaganda and chest beating that got the ayatollah killed like a rat in a hole and his son the new ayatollah cannot even crawl out of the hole he'd been hiding in since...if that's not shameful then iran and their supporters are more confused than they realize it.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by voortrekker966: 10:54pm On Jun 02
Basicend:
Trump will ultimately abandon Bibi. Trump really loves him but US does not have adequate Patriots and missile defense batteries to shield Israel, Saudi, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain all at same time anymore. They have exhausted almost 50% of these.

That's why Trump was gentle beside Xi recently, and even decided to abandon Taiwan to it's fate too. It will take about 3 years earliest to restock and China has hold on the Rare Earths required for production.

If China decides to invade Taiwan now, Trump has made it clear US is not going to interfere. Becoz they can't expose themselves any further.

Trump dumped Zelenski, Trump dumped NATO. Trump's basic objective now is to find a way to form a symbiotic alliance with Russia, China and Japan, South Korea etc and perhaps Saudi.

Unipolar era has officially died. We are welcome to a new Bipolar world order, driven by the American and Chinese trading systems.
I can see you are the US National Security Advisor. That's the only reason you have this intel. Anything otherwise makes you a glorified beer parlour analyst.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Basicend:
BarrElChapo:
Say no to Trump. The day the US turns it back on Israel, they become common in every sense.
Iran cannot defeat Israel in a war currently. Even if the US backs off.

The consequence of such a war will be a serious mess and destruction of most of the entire region. Both countries have prepared many years for this.

Israel have an option of last resort.
Which will be very babaric. And Iran will rush ballistic missiles at them too.

It's not funny.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by chatinent: 11:23pm On Jun 02
LordIsaac:
Israel can very much say so. America is what it is today because they have been in the camp of the Lord's chosen. They can only appeal to Israel.
You don't read your Bible. If you do, you'd know the Israel today has nothing to do with the Bible.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by ichuka(m): 11:26pm On Jun 02
God1000:
A lot of confusion now in the enemies camp, Taco got played by satanyahu and he suddenly woke up
Lol
Who are the enemies?
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Omoslim26: 11:30pm On Jun 02
PulaPower:
Both of them are mad..

Xxxx
And You that is supporting same terrorist govt that continues to rehabilitate and release back killers into the unsafe Nigeria is what?? CURSED cheesy grin
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Kingson28: 11:45pm On Jun 02
[quote author=Breaker001 post=139600048]What an ungrateful statement to make. If not for Donald Trump, would you even have a Nation? Donald Trump delivered you from the hands of Iran, and you are claiming "Mr Mighty". If Donald Trump hands Israel into the hands of Iran, there will be no Nation of Israel 😎



[You're very ignorant. Let Israel fire missiles indiscriminately at Iran just as Iran did and watch all Iran go up in flames within a week. Iran that has no active missiles defence systems presently.]
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by IAM4BAT4plus4: 11:52pm On Jun 02
chatinent:
Israel cannot say NO to Trump.

The Israel today is an American creation. They are nothing without America.

Meanwhile, you seem to invest more time supporting established terrorists. I hardly see you condemn the atrocities down home.. you are more of an Iranian.
Try harder! You still have a lot to learn and understand...




Being brainwashed by the western propaganda is not easy to overcome...


So I truly understand your condition
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Ever8090: 12:09am On Jun 03
Oga Islamic terrorist, why is it that anything or anyone against terrorism is always a problem to you people?can't everyone just face his or her religion in peace and allow others to face theirs in peace?..out of 4000 religion on earth, only Islam is associated with unnecessary terrorism all over the world habah!..una no dey think for that una religion again?
God1000:
A lot of confusion now in the enemies camp, Taco got played by satanyahu and he suddenly woke up
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 12:27am On Jun 03
chatinent:
Israel cannot say NO to Trump.

The Israel today is an American creation. They are nothing without America.

Meanwhile, you seem to invest more time supporting established terrorists. I hardly see you condemn the atrocities down home.. you are more of an Iranian.
How is Israel an American creation?
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 12:29am On Jun 03
masterfactor:
A son must respect his father

Israel must respect America because Israel is standing today because of America
Israel is standing today because they fought and won existencial wars by themselves without anyone's help. They don't need America to survive, they are strong enough to survive on their own.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 12:45am On Jun 03
Basicend:
Trump will ultimately abandon Bibi. Unless he calms down for now. Trump really loves him but US does not have adequate Patriots and missile defense batteries to shield Israel, Saudi, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain all at same time anymore. They have exhausted almost 50% of these.

That's why Trump was gentle beside Xi recently, and even decided to abandon Taiwan to it's fate too. It will take about 3 years earliest to restock and China has hold on the Rare Earths required for production.

If China decides to invade Taiwan now, Trump has made it clear US is not going to interfere. Becoz they can't expose themselves any further.

Trump dumped Zelenski, Trump dumped NATO. Trump's basic objective now is to find a way to form a symbiotic alliance with Russia, China and Japan, South Korea etc and perhaps Saudi.

Unipolar era has officially died. We are welcome to a new Bipolar world order, driven by the American and Chinese trading systems.
grin grin I don't think you people know what you're talking about. This is an unverifiable claim from open sources. The exact number of Patriot interceptors (specifically the advanced PAC-3 MSE) in the U.S. inventory is a closely guarded secret. What is publicly known, through budget documents and industry announcements, is that Production is Ramping Up, The U.S Army has stated a goal to increase production of the PAC-3 MSE to 650 missiles per year.

The claim that "almost 50% have been exhausted" is a specific, unsubstantiated figure. While it's a plausible guess that stocks have been significantly drawn down from their pre-2022 levels, any precise percentage is speculative without access to classified data.

The Gulf states have their own significant Patriot and THAAD systems. Israel has its own multi-layered system (Iron Dome, David's Sling, Arrow) that is heavily integrated with U.S. regional command. The task of "shielding" them is a collective, integrated effort, not solely a U.S. one.

And the US hasn't abandoned Ukraine, they're still Ukraine's major supplier of defense systems.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Bluntemperor: 12:49am On Jun 03
Heffalump:
I'm forced to smile and wink at the same time whenever I see a statement like this. America is governed by the Jewish people for your information. The same way the entire West and Europe is firmly governed by jews. You've not seen anything yet.
👍👏
You got it right,as many don't understand that Most of the Congress Members- are Jewish and they will Continue to Protect Israel.
There is little anybody Can do about that!
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 1:12am On Jun 03
ponziponzi:
US is the father, without their backing, how will the state of Isreal survive. They don’t even have their own GNSS, they relay on US GPS. They don’t current operate any domestically produced fighter jets, they are all produced by the US.
Because total reliance on a foreign system is a vulnerability, Israel has developed its own solutions that don't constitute a GNSS but do provide critical alternatives like the Inertial Navigation Systems (INS), spoofing and jamming, Israel is a world leader in anti-jam GPS antenna technology, allowing their receivers to work even when an enemy is trying to block the signal.

Israel did develop its own state-of-the-art fighter jet, the IAI Lavi, in the 1980s. It was a delta-wing, multirole combat aircraft, intended to be the backbone of the Israeli Air Force. The Lavi was a highly advanced design for its time, featuring a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire system and advanced avionics, almost all developed in Israel.
But In 1987, the Israeli cabinet, under immense political pressure from the U.S. government, voted to cancel the project by a very thin margin. The U.S. argued it would be a financial sinkhole and compete directly with American defense exports (specifically the F-16). The U.S. then offered more military aid packages as an alternative, which included co-production rights for the F-16. The F-35I "Adir" is the only F-35 variant in the world allowed by the U.S. to have a native, indigenous electronic warfare suite and custom data fusion and C4 systems grafted onto the American airframe. They can't build the engine, but they can make the brain of the aircraft Israeli, ensuring their operational independence.

Do it's not that they can't produce any jet fighter, it is that their partnership with US prevents them from doing so. They are very capable of building a home made fighter jets that can rival the very best In the game.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 1:15am On Jun 03
BarrElChapo:
Say no to Trump. The day the US turns it back on Israel, they become common in every sense.
I don't think you people know what you're talking about. They weren't even partners with US when they won their independence war in 1948 and the six days war in 1967. The US need Israel just as much as Israel needs them but each of them can still project power with or without their partnerships.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Mirasteel: 1:25am On Jun 03
This inbred is a big and an heartless terrorist so I am not surprised.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by ekineme: 1:31am On Jun 03
psalmsjob:
Or they are playing pimg pong with you guys.... why hasn't iran continued fighting against US blockage of their seaport or why are they not bombing isreal to force them to stop fighting hezbollah?

Why are they stylishly begging for seize fire....you better tell iran to give Taco what he wants or he will unleash satanyanhu on Lebanon and on iran.

Una just like propaganda and chest beating that got the ayatollah killed like a rat in a hole and his son the new ayatollah cannot even crawl out of the hole he'd been hiding in since...if that's not shameful then iran and their supporters are more confused than they realize it.
I am just wondering the kind of information they feed this guys..smh. The Opp is a typical example why I am sure they is something obviously wrong with guys from that camp. Imagine supporting a terrorist Organisation and trying to justify it. Imagine all the atrocities this terrorist are causing in Nigeria like the recently beheading of a school maths teacher, yet this OP has never created a thread to condemn it. And when DT send few packages to help eliminate this evil baggages, this same group will condemn DT shouting nigeria is a sovereign state.
They are so pained US is stronger than all their nations combined, and more pained that Israel though a small nation, is stronger than a billion of them and theres nothing they can do other than propaganda.
Same people claim Bibi is dead, but today their supreme leader both new and old can't be seen and Bibi is still waxing stronger. Confused bunch.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by ponziponzi(m): 1:58am On Jun 03
GeneralOuki:
Because total reliance on a foreign system is a vulnerability, Israel has developed its own solutions that don't constitute a GNSS but do provide critical alternatives like the Inertial Navigation Systems (INS), spoofing and jamming, Israel is a world leader in anti-jam GPS antenna technology, allowing their receivers to work even when an enemy is trying to block the signal.

Israel did develop its own state-of-the-art fighter jet, the IAI Lavi, in the 1980s. It was a delta-wing, multirole combat aircraft, intended to be the backbone of the Israeli Air Force. The Lavi was a highly advanced design for its time, featuring a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire system and advanced avionics, almost all developed in Israel.
But In 1987, the Israeli cabinet, under immense political pressure from the U.S. government, voted to cancel the project by a very thin margin. The U.S. argued it would be a financial sinkhole and compete directly with American defense exports (specifically the F-16). The U.S. then offered more military aid packages as an alternative, which included co-production rights for the F-16. The F-35I "Adir" is the only F-35 variant in the world allowed by the U.S. to have a native, indigenous electronic warfare suite and custom data fusion and C4 systems grafted onto the American airframe. They can't build the engine, but they can make the brain of the aircraft Israeli, ensuring their operational independence.

Do it's not that they can't produce any jet fighter, it is that their partnership with US prevents them from doing so. They are very capable of building a home made fighter jets that can rival the very best In the game.
Many countries have INS systems, not just Israel. And many of their technologies are still dependent on U.S. IP and the global supply chain. Also, it is not a substitute for GNSS.

I didn’t say they can’t build jets; even Sweden and Turkey have their own fighter jets. They were pressured not to build theirs by the Americans because they fund a large part of the IDF budget. That is why America is their father. Even if they decide to build, they will need a lot of U.S. technology and supply chain.

No matter what you call the F-35, it is a product of Lockheed Martin, a U.S. company.

Israel needs the US for everything; their existence depends on the support of the US. The US provides them with economic, technological, and military lifelines. That’s why they listen to the US and spend money to gain influence.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Flame333: 2:01am On Jun 03
chatinent:
Israel cannot say NO to Trump.

The Israel today is an American creation. They are nothing without America.

Meanwhile, you seem to invest more time supporting established terrorists. I hardly see you condemn the atrocities down home.. you are more of an Iranian.
You have no clue about history .. Your comment is embarrassing
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by frankson1(m): 2:08am On Jun 03
Look at these ones that the US has been covering undecided undecided
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by frankson1(m): 2:23am On Jun 03
ElevationD:
I know that you must be talking confusion in the camp of the evil mullahs and their proxies.

Trump let off Iran in April.
The same Trump had let off Hezbollah.

Let Netanyahu find the opportunity and you will know much thank you already know, that terrorists are only responsive to the language of endless violence. Trump has saved Hezbollah today. However, remember that Israel has crossed Litani river and seized those areas. Maybe that is more evidence of confusion in the camp of Hezbollah, as they do not have the response to get that area back.
STOP spreading lies and fake news!

Trump didn't let off Iran. Trump begged and pleaded for a ceasefire. It was the ceasefire that gave the US the opportunity to be at the position they're now after they made attempt to cross the Strait of Homuz without success.

Trump has been calling for a ceasefire extensions.

It won't be shocking if you think Iran is not hurting the US back after destroying military assets worth billions of dollars.

No be everybody be children for here o undecided undecided
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by frankson1(m): 2:27am On Jun 03
Flame333:
You have no clue about history .. Your comment is embarrassing
Stop making embarrassing comment by mentioning "history" if you don't also know the history of Iran and how US and the West manipulated and destabilised their countryundecided
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by GeneralOuki: 2:46am On Jun 03
ponziponzi:
Many countries have INS systems, not just Israel. And many of their technologies are still dependent on U.S. IP and the global supply chain. Also, it is not a substitute for GNSS.

I didn’t say they can’t build jets; even Sweden and Turkey have their own fighter jets. They were pressured not to build theirs by the Americans because they fund a large part of the IDF budget. That is why America is their father. Even if they decide to build, they will need a lot of U.S. technology and supply chain.

No matter what you call the F-35, it is a product of Lockheed Martin, a U.S. company.

Israel needs the US for everything; their existence depends on the support of the US. The US provides them with economic, technological, and military lifelines. That’s why they listen to the US and spend money to gain influence.
They don't fund IDF budget, at least not in the way you think they do. And it's not because if of funding that made Israel stop producing their own fighter jets, the reason why they pressured Israel was because the Lavi was a direct competitor to the US jets .

IDF budget in a year is $30 billion, US military aid to Israel is just $3.6b, so tell me how they're funding IDF? Besides, the US military aid to Israel is not in cash transfer but a grant that Israel must spend within the US military complex. Not a single bit of that $3.6b leaves US shores. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

They will not need any US technology or supply, they built the Lavi which rivaled the F-16 without any US technology or supply or anything.

The F-35 is a product of Lockheed yes, but it's being co produced with Israel and other NATO countries, Israel just has an exclusive right to modify their version and theirs is not like the regular F-35s being produced by Lockheed. This is a very open knowledge my guy, try read more on this things.

Lol... You're not well versed on this subject, no doubt. Israel doesn't need US for everything. The entire US aid to Israel is less than 10% of Israel's annual budget. Their existence has never depended on the US support, this is the misconceptions that anti Israel people make, they erroneously think that without US the state of Israel will cease to exist, that's an ignorant thing to believe.

Their economy is self sufficient, they don't need the US, they produce so many military hardwares which are sort after by many European and Asian countries. They're very technologically advanced, you have to be to be able to develop the defence systems that they use, be able to modify the f-35 etc. Go and read up on the indigenous technologies produced in Israel. Go and take a look at their desalination technology which is the best in the world.
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by Maj196(m): 3:50am On Jun 03
Israel will be finally decimated without the USA
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by IbnB: 4:24am On Jun 03
Basicend:
Trump will ultimately abandon Bibi. Unless he calms down for now. Trump really loves him but US does not have adequate Patriots and missile defense batteries to shield Israel, Saudi, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain all at same time anymore. They have exhausted almost 50% of these.

That's why Trump was gentle beside Xi recently, and even decided to abandon Taiwan to it's fate too. It will take about 3 years earliest to restock and China has hold on the Rare Earths required for production.

If China decides to invade Taiwan now, Trump has made it clear US is not going to interfere. Becoz they can't expose themselves any further.

Trump dumped Zelenski, Trump dumped NATO. Trump's basic objective now is to find a way to form a symbiotic alliance with Russia, China and Japan, South Korea etc and perhaps Saudi.

Unipolar era has officially died. We are welcome to a new Bipolar world order, driven by the American and Chinese trading systems.
Gibberish
Re: Time To Say No To Trump: Ben Gvir Urges Netanyahu Over Beirut Strike Call-off by IBB007(m): 4:47am On Jun 03
Lol..,patiently waiting for USA/israel war…and Ben Gvir will surely be tried for war crimes
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