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South Africans will pay in tears and blood for this foolishness of attacking their fellow Africans. I can't fathom how a people can be so hateful towards their fellow Africans.

These xenophobic ingrates have been killing black africans and denying it.

Their freedom fighters who were marked for deth ran to other African countries especially Nigeria and they were given shelter and paid stipends from monies deducted from our civil servants.

Those same freedom fighters went back to South Africa and continued their fight which turned out successful.

If those African countries had rejected them they would have died like dogs and so would their hope of getting rid of oppression then.

Kobojunkie:
The help of which Africa? The Africa that has failed to help itself to date, abi which one?

ViceGovernor:
Their freedom fighters who were marked for deth ran to other African countries especially Nigeria and they were given shelter and paid stipends from monies deducted from our civil servants.
Those same freedom fighters went back to South Africa and continued their fight which turned out successful.
If those African countries had rejected them they would have died like dogs and so would their hope of getting rid of oppression then.

Why were they marked for death?

Kobojunkie:
I disagree! Cambodia recently decided it no longer wanted foreigners from African nations coming in, a decision it likely made with its people in mind. We heard nothing of xenophobia from the mouths of Africans. So, tell me why South Africans are not allowed to no longer want foreigners from other African nations coming in?

Migration has always been a privilege, not a right.

I disagree, a human has the fundamental human right of movement.

If animals can migrate how much more humans, that have been doing that since ages.

yongg:
➜I disagree, a free born human has the fundamental human right of movement.

What is the foundation of this right that you claim?

Kobojunkie:
What is the foundation of this right that you claim?

Natural law, law of nature.

It is not even a claim, it is what is.


Tinker it from first principles and see how absurd it sounds that one can't move. It is also ok for natural populations to protect their living space but that does not take away right of movement.

yongg:
➜Natural law, law of nature.

Nature? Where is this nature, and how does it go about defending this supposed right that you claim you have by it? Say you are trying to move to China or Saudi Arabia. How does Nature ensure that your right of movement is not violated when you do?

Kobojunkie:
Nature? Where is this nature, and how does it go about defending this supposed right that you claim you have by it? Say you are trying to move to China or Saudi Arabia. How does Nature ensure that your right of movement is not violated when you do?

Go study settlements over the ages and answer those questions for settlers that moved or expanded into other territories, and I am especially referring to the non-aggressive ones., the more trade-based or skill/exchange-based ones.


Or better still, let's do a 101, produce and enforce a law to freeze a baby in place right after birth let's see.

yongg:
➜Go study settlements over the ages and answer those questions for settlers that moved or expanded into other territories, and I am especially referring to the non-aggressive ones., the more trade-based or skill/exchange-based ones.

I asked you a question. You claim you have a right bestowed on you by nature to move anywhere you like. I want to know how nature goes about that so that your right is never violated, or if it is, that you are defended?

Telling me about settlements is trying to shove gobbledegook at me.

Kobojunkie:
I asked you a question. You claim you have a right bestowed on you by nature to move anywhere you like. I want to know how nature goes about that so that your right is never violated, or if it is, that you are defended?

Telling me about settlements is trying to shove gobbledegook at me.

Start by producing a law to enforce freezing a baby in place right after birth if that makes sense to you...

A myriad of examples exists for you in the natural environment to borrow knowledge from yet you want gobbledegook.

Start from first principles can't be spoon-feed beyond that.

yongg:
➜Start by producing a law to enforce freezing a baby in place after birth if that makes sense to you...

What does a baby or the freezing of one in place have to do with a discussion on illegal migration?

Kobojunkie:
What does a baby or the freezing of one in place have to do with a discussion on illegal migration?

That you can't see the connection is a huge betrayal.

yongg:
➜That you can't see the connection is a huge betrayal.

I am not interested in time wasters.

Kobojunkie:
I am not interested in time wasters.

Apparently, arguments beyond your capacity to see reason is time-wasting, it makes sense, not everyone assimilates truth/fact right away, it takes time for some, sometimes. There is still hope you will come about this topic much more sensibly in future, maybe then you will understand better.

I'm my opinion, what I can deduce from your take is confusing territorialism/territoriality with right to movement.

Your comment, what's it all about? It's got nothing to do with the topic, or is it just for educational purpose or you just felt like filling up your page?

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andrewza:
i dont think you under stand what i am saying.

The government of South Africa does not support the anti-immigrant movment

The people that did the killing dont really care if nigerans murder every South African in Nigeria and burn all the MTN towers. Why would they care

And your government is not doing anything to stop it

maasoap:
And your government is not doing anything to stop it

Protest is legal in south africa

andrewza:
Protest is legal in south africa

That's not protesting. That's rampaging murderous mob injuring and killing immigrants and destroying their means of livelihood. Even your school kids are now demanding that foreign students should leave their country. The virus is spreading really fast beyond imagination. Keep it up, you will see the consequences sooner or later

maasoap:
That's not protesting. That's rampaging murderous mob injuring and killing immigrants and destroying their means of livelihood. Even your school kids are now demanding that foreign students should leave their country. The virus is spreading really fast beyond imagination. Keep it up, you will see the consequences sooner or later

There where far non violent protest Marches than there where act of violence. News went SSD how the one where people just walked holding banners.

andrewza:
There where far non violent protest Marches than there where act of violence. News went SSD how the one where people just walked holding banners.

That doesn't erase the destructions of lives and properties that occurred as a result of the few violent protests.
Like I always said, all of you are guilty and culpable, your governments, violent protesters, the non violent protesters and the the rest of you giving them online supports and defending them.

maasoap:
➜That doesn't erase the destructions of lives and properties that occurred as a result of the few violent protests.
Like I always said, all of you are guilty and culpable, your governments, violent protesters, the non violent protesters and the the rest of you giving them online supports and defending them.

The only way to resolve those is prosecution of all those actually involved in the destruction of property and lives, not a ban on protests, as protests will always remain legal.

Kobojunkie:
The only way to resolve those is prosecution of all those actually involved in the destruction of property and lives, not a ban on protests, as protests will always remain legal.

Any protest that leads to murdering and destruction is no longer legal. It has to be banned. Imagine the victims of those protests so far are SA citizens and not immigrants, do you believe that your government would still allow the protests to continue? No way!

maasoap:
➜Any protest that leads to murdering and destruction is no longer legal. It has to be banned.
➜ Imagine the victims of those protests so far are SA citizens and not immigrants, do you believe that your government would still allow the protests to continue? No way!

1. You should probably consult the letter of the law rather than make it up for kicks. The rights of the people cannot be banned. Protest is a right and cannot be banned.

2. Again, protests are legal rights of the people. Crime isn't. So, if crime is committed by protesters, then all government can do is prosecute the criminals who committed the crime, not penalize all of those protesting.

andrewza:
There where far non violent protest Marches than there where act of violence. News went SSD how the one where people just walked holding banners.

Your people are pushing the line between peaceful protests enshrined in many constitutions and anarchy.

The problem is your history with violent protests are endemic, some of you can't tell the difference anymore.

Kobojunkie:
The only way to resolve those is prosecution of all those actually involved in the destruction of property and lives, not a ban on protests, as protests will always remain legal.

Kobojunkie:
1. You should probably consult the letter of the law rather than make it up for kicks. The rights of the people cannot be banned. Protest is a right and cannot be banned.

2. Again, protests are legal rights of the people. Crime isn't. So, if crime is committed by protesters, then all government can do is prosecute the criminals who committed the crime, not penalize all of those protesting.

I just noticed now that it is you who have taken over . Debating with you can drive anyone crazy because the only person you always reasoned with is yourself

maasoap:
➜I just noticed now that it is you who have taken over . Debating with you can d[b]rive anyone crazy[/b] because the only person you always reasoned with is yourself

This is from someone who literally said protesting should be banned?

Kobojunkie:
This is from someone who literally said protesting should be banned?

Protests that have led to multiple murders and injuries of immigrants and the destruction of their livelihood.
I ask you again, if South Africans were the victims, would their government still allow it to continue?

maasoap:
➜Protests that have led to multiple murders and injuries of immigrants and the destruction of their livelihood.
➜I ask you again, if South Africans were the victims, would their government still allow it to continue?

Again, protests are a right, and the government has no legal right to deny the people their right to protest. '

2. The same government that has been attacking white South Africans for a while now?

Kobojunkie:
Again, protests are a right, and the government has no legal right to deny the people their right to protest. '

Protests that have become tools for murdering people and destroying properties are no longer protests. Sorry.

2. The same government that has been attacking white South Africans for a while now?

And how many whites have been killed by that government so far? And secondly, what lesson am I supposed learn from your submission?

maasoap:
➜Protests that have become tools for murdering people and destroying properties are no longer protests. Sorry.
➜ And how many whites have been killed by that government so far? And secondly, what lesson am I supposed learn from your submission?

Protests are not tools for murder.

2. So, because you conclude no whites have been killed, therefore it becomes ok that they are being discriminated against by the same government? You think it is OK for you to pick and choose which situation constitutes an offense based on skin color, abi?