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| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Parachoko: 5:00pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:I remember when Jonathan was compared to him We had military ruler who couldn't achieve any Tangible thing in power |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Ttalk: 5:10pm On Jun 03 |
nobilie:Succinct, pls ask the OP to name any African country leader with long tenure that has been exceptional. Though I agree with the OP that the system will not work because of our differences, but his suggested solution too will not work on African, Africans are too relax with small achievements and the culture of worshiping our leaders will make them become emperor if long term privileges is given to them.The root cause of the crises in Nigeria is structure, All past and present leader know that but they are to greedy to make the sacrifice because their power will be reduced, Governance need to be decentralized. Nigeria need to be restructure, if anyone here has ever worked in any government establishment then that person will know that the system we currently run will never take us out of the dark |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 5:10pm On Jun 03 |
nobilie:That is because these countries lacked a mechanism for removing a non-performing leader. If they did, they could ensure that a a real leader is in place, and he or she will be allowed to lead for as long as possible, even 30 years or more. You just need a powerful check, similar to the Oyo Mesi of the Yorubas, who acted as a check on the king, and were so strict that if they found the king to be unfit for office, they would send him an Aroko message ordering him to commit suicide. Of course our modern day Oyo Mesi would be less harsh, and simply order him to step down. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Nairalander248: 5:11pm On Jun 03 |
You wan give who to rule 30years?? Na people wey get meaningful things to offer them dey ask am to continue KnowAll: |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 5:19pm On Jun 03 |
Ttalk:GO AND STUDY YOUR AFRICAN HISTORY. AFRICAN LEADERSHIP DID NOT START IN THE 1960s after Independence. IT STARTED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. AFRICA has had GREAT leaders throughout her past, who reigned for decades, and brought great prosperity to their empires and kingdoms. Oba Ewuare, Queen Amina, Mansa Musa, Askia Muhammad, Shaka Zulu, Queen Amenirenas, multiple Pharaohs of Kemet and Nubia, including Khufu, Taharka, Rameses, and others. So AFRICA has a VERY long history of great and honourable leadership. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 5:27pm On Jun 03 |
kokoA:YOUR INFERIORITY COMPLEX AND IGNORANCE STINK. GET THIS INTO YOUR SKULL: THE COLOUR OF A PERSON'S SKIN HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THEIR CHARACTER OR PERSONALITY. UNDERSTOOD? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Ttalk: 5:36pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:Am not here to argue race superiority which you are known for, am speaking about todays reality and not some fictions that doesn't add up. Point to the Nigeria leader today who is ready to change the status quo. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by givedemwotowoto: 5:41pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:Seeing that Tinubu is facing imminent defeat at the polls, his supporters have switched to all sorts of gaslighting logic and victim mode. He's asking whether democracy has failed because Tinubu has nothing to show for being in office for 4 years. The man who has achieved so much in 4 years when it comes to fighting and disintegrating opposition and trying to destroy democracy, suddenly doesn't have enough time to achieve anything meaningful in office. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 5:45pm On Jun 03 |
givedemwotowoto:The truth be told there is nothing Obi cannot do in 4 years. Look at the person he handed over to in Anambra state, the person flew to America once his term expired. Is it that kind of person u want to come waste our time in 2027. Please I beg if to say u near me I for give u a dirty slap. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 5:46pm On Jun 03 |
Ttalk:HOW DARE YOU CALL AFRICAN HISTORY FICTION? ARE YOU INSANE? OH SURE, YOUR AFRICAN HISTORY STARTED IN 1960. HOPELESSLY IGNORANT PEOPLE. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by kokoA(m): 5:58pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:Mention one black dominated country doing well in democracy. Talk about ignorance.. mcheeww. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 6:02pm On Jun 03 |
kokoA:TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, BOTSWANA, NAMIBIA, BARBADOS, JAMAICA, RWANDA, GUYANA, IVORY COAST, SENEGAL, GABON, KENYA, TANZANIA, LESOTHO, BAHAMAS, ANGOLA, GHANA, ST. LUCIA, GRENADA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, AND NUMEROUS OTHERS CNN AND BBC WILL NEVER SHOW YOU, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY SHOWING YOU BOKO HARAM AND SOMALIA SO YOU CAN KEEP FEELING INFERIOR TO THEM. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Ttalk: 6:09pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:Continue ranting, you that doesn't even know history of his 4th generation is talking about. Africa. Oya bring out ordinary picture of your great grandfather in 1900. From your viewpoint I can rightly predict your discipline and it's one of area that add no single value to the African society. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by givedemwotowoto: 6:10pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:Democracy is designed to reward a leader with another 4-year term only if they show performance in the first 4 years in office. It wasn't designed for people to keep an incompetent leader perpetually "to see" if they will perform or not. Make that part dey clear for your balablue bulaba head wey dey empty. The leading democracies of the world including the US and UK are constantly changing their leaders and they're some of the biggest economies of the world. The UK has changed prime ministers a couple times in recent history, and even the US elected a President who was indicted by the court, due to Biden's failures. Tilumbu chose to empower himself and cronies, and use dictatorship principles to control the people into conforming and accepting the situation. He underestimated Nigerians, and Nigerians will show him what they're capable of this coming election. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 6:10pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:Abeg remove Senegal from the list. The findings hit like a bombshell: as of December 31, 2023, the actual outstanding public debt reached nearly 99.7% of GDP (18,559 billion CFA francs, or 28 billion euros), compared to the 74% officially reported under Macky Sall's presidency. The discrepancy is staggering.27 Mar 2026 |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Ttalk: 6:12pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:Which of these countries did you get your education from? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 6:16pm On Jun 03 |
givedemwotowoto:But Obi has sworn by that thing u swear in the east that he will do only 4 years. And I am saying whatever he do within 4 years without a possibility of a second term is a complete waste of time. Because I am 100% sure a Northern President will revise it. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 6:17pm On Jun 03 |
Ttalk:WHAT sort of DAFT question is that? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 6:21pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:DUDE, you cannot just cut and paste a paragraph of some single detail of news in a country to prove ANYTHING. What sort of nonsense is this?? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 6:23pm On Jun 03 |
Obi should be prepared to do 2 terms. And if he does vey well we go dash am another two terms. After that we go back to our regular 4 years election cycle. But coming for just 4 years constituting a nuisance for 4 years mba. No-No |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Ttalk: 6:23pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:It will only be a daft question to an African advocate who doesn't reckon with the present but ridiculous tale by moonlight history. There is a reason why Nigerian government removed History from our curriculum, because it can create fanatic historian |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by givedemwotowoto: 6:34pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:The easiest way to be a failed President is to emerge from a fraudulent process. People helped you fraudulently rig the election, they need to be compensated, and you'll have to put them in position so they can recoup their investments. The problem gets worse if the elected person themself is also very greedy and fraudulent. This means they can't do any meaningful reform, they don't have the moral standing to do it. It's not in their own interest because they didn't win the mandate of the people in the first place. Even if you give that person 99 years in office, they will achieve nothing. This is the single reason why many of our institutions are laced with fraud and can't be reformed under some leaders. Leaders like Peter Obi have no baggages so they can implement reforms and set the standards. Nigeria is not the only country where private individuals fund campaigns and elected officials. There are other ways to compensate them than put them or their proxies in office to steal public funds. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 6:42pm On Jun 03 |
givedemwotowoto:But what happened to Obi’s successor all the good works went into the bin, the guy has gone to the US to seek Asylum. The man cannot do anything in 4 years let d truth be told. That 4 years Lee Kwang yew is just warming up. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 6:48pm On Jun 03 |
Can you imagine President Kegama handing over after 800,000 people have been killed after 4 years. Do you think Rwanda would be what it is today. So Obi talking about one term 4 years does not make sense. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 6:50pm On Jun 03*. Modified: 7:14pm On Jun 03 |
Ttalk:YOU THINK WE ARE ALL UNREAD LIKE YOU? DUDE. YOU HAVE AI CHATGPT TODAY TO LEARN YOUR AFRICAN HISTORY FOR FREE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT BLACK AFRICANS RULED LARGE SWATHES OF EUROPE FOR 800 YEARS UP TILL AS LATE AS THE 16TH CENTURY? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE STATUES OF THOSE BLACK KINGS ARE DOTTED ALL OVER EUROPE TODAY? DO YOU KNOW THAT EUROPEANS HOLD ANNUAL FESTIVALS WHERE THEY DON AFRICAN COSTUMES AND PAINT THEIR FACES BLACK TO COMMEMORATE THE ERA OF THE BLACK MOORS? DO YOU KNOW THAT BLACK AFRICANS BUILT THE FIRST UNIVERSITIES IN EUROPE? DO YOU KNOW THAT SANKORE UNIVERSITY IN MALI IS THE WORLD'S OLDEST UNIVERSITY, AND WAS ESTABLISHED IN 781 AD. AND IS STILL IN OPERATION TILL TODAY,1,300 YEARS LATER? HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE TIMBUKTU MANUSCRIPTS? OVER A MILLION MANUSCRIPTS DETAILING AFRICAN KNOWLEDGE IN LAW, SCIENCE, METALLURGY, MEDICINE, MATHEMATICS, ASTRONOMY, ARCHITECTURE AND PHILOSOPHY, DATING BACK TO THE 6TH CENTURY? MANUSCRIPTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING DIGITISED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE ENTIRE EUROPE AND ASIA WERE ONCE BLACK, AND RULED BY BLACK KINGS AND QUEENS? DO YOU KNOW YOU CAN SEE THEIR PAINTINGS AND STATUES ON PINTEREST TODAY? DO YOU KNOW THAT IN TAIWAN, THEY STILL PARADE EFFIGIES OF THEIR BLACK KINGS AND BOW IN WORSHIP TO THEM IN LARGE TEMPLES? DO YOU KNOW THAT SWAHILI TRADERS OWNED THE INDIAN OCEAN FOR CENTURIES, AND SAILED TO CHINA AND INDIA WHEN EUROPEANS WERE STILL CAVE-DWELLING ILLITERATES? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE TECHNOLOGY OF IRON SMELTING, WHEREBY YOU EXTRACT METAL FROM ORE USING SPECIFIC HEATING PRINCIPLES, WAS INVENTED IN LEJJA, NSUKKA, NIGERIA? THE OLDEST SMELTING SITE ON EARTH WAS DISCOVERED THERE AND CARBON-DATED TO 2,650 BCE. WITHOUT THE INVENTION OF IRON SMELTING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PHONE YOU ARE TYPING ON. NO CARS, NO FRIDGES, NO AEROPLANES, NO COMPUTERS. NOTHING MADE OF METAL. YOU WOULD BE IN THE STONE AGE, IN CAVES. YOU AND ALL THOSE WHITES YOU WORSHIP. I KEEP TELLING YOU PEOPLE THAT THE REASON YOU FEEL INFERIOR TO WHITE PEOPLE IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR AFRICAN HISTORY. THE COLONIAL INVADERS ENSURED THEY TAUGHT YOU THIS FAKE HISTORY OF INSIGNIFICANCE DELIBERATELY, SO YOU COULD WORSHIP THEM AS THEY STOLE FROM YOU. NOW THEY HAVE GONE. DITCH THEIR ROTTEN BIBLE THAT MAKES YOU WORSHIP THEM AS YOUR "LORD AND SAVIOUR", REMEMBER THAT YOU CIVILISED THEM (OR AT LEAST TRIED TO, BEFORE THEY GREEDILY BUILT FIREARMS AND BOMBS TO ROB THE EARTH), AND RETURN TO YOUR GLORIOUS STATUS. WITHOUT THIS KNOWLEDGE OF YOU WERE, YOU WILL NEVER RETURN TO THAT STATUS. YOU WILL LACK THE MENTALITY AND CONFIDENCE REQUIRED, INCLUDING YOUR LEADERS. YOU'RE A TREE CUT OFF FROM ITS ROOTS BY COLONIAL INVASION, AND NOW YOU THINK YOUR HISTORY BEGAN IN 1960. PATHETIC. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by givedemwotowoto: 7:20pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:Stay on topic and defend your argument. You're attempting to sidetrack your own thread. The argument here is that, when the process of electing leaders is transparent, 4 years in office is enough for them to demonstrate that they truly understand the situation and can deliver. You keep mentioning Lee Kwan Yew, so let me give you some insight to what he achieved within 4 years: 1. He pursued a very aggressive anti-corruption policy. You don't need 99 years in office to demonstrate your commitment to eradicate Nigeria's biggest enemy which is corruption. People will see the results in your first 4 years in office. Lee earned a huge reputation for very swift action against corruption. 2. Public Admin Reform China is a multi-ethic country just like Nigeria. He built a professional and merit-based system where people are identified and hired based on merit, not a system that uses tribe to instigate people against each other. Just to mention a few. I don't want to go into his achievements in education, public housing, economic development strategy etc. He achieved a lot in his firs 4 years. He set the tone and direction for the country very early in office. The person you support doesn't even talk to the people, doesn't act swiftly, and when he speaks, it's laced with a bunch of baalablus which signals why he avoids the press. No police reform, no public institution reform, no solid anti-corruption framework, in fact, corrupting and weakening the institutions further and further to their lowest. Even if you give this person 99 years, things will only get far worse. Presidency is not monarchy. People are not looking for a figure to worship or revere, they're looking for a leader to handle business and deliver results. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Kemetian: 7:26pm On Jun 03 |
YOU ARE LIKE AN ADULT OF 40 YRS THAT SOMEONE GAVE AN INJECTION TO 💉 AND MADE HIM FORGET ALL HIS LIFE UP TILL THE AGE 38 YRS. SO HE NOW WALKS AROUND WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE HE ACQUIRED JUST IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. WHY WOULD HE NOT BE DISORGANISED? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 7:41pm On Jun 03 |
Kemetian:He achieved so much in 4 years and spend another 27 years lying fallow Abi 😳 oh boy u see sef! |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 7:57pm On Jun 03 |
givedemwotowoto:All this in 4 years . So what was in doing in the 27 years afterwards just chilling Abi. You see your sef😳 |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by givedemwotowoto: 8:13pm On Jun 03 |
KnowAll:Now you’re being dramatic. China didn’t become world’s second largest economy in 4 years. Lee implemented early serious reforms and sustained them over decades to get to where China is today. 4 years is enough to show workings. Show us what Tinubu has done in terms of police reform, public institution reform, public procurement reform, merit-based system reform, aggressive anti corruption drive. Just show us. Show us that visible framework he has set in place for the country that gives people confidence that the country is headed in the right direction. Things have gotten so much worse and you’re here trying to make excuses Like I said, every new leader gets their turn. When the next President comes, they choose to pursue self interest or public interest. Nigerians will evaluate and decide after 4 years. |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by Airlord2030: 8:17pm On Jun 03 |
What about paul biya of Cameroon that has been ruling for over 30yrs now? |
| Re: Lee Kwang Yew??? Something I Just Discovered � ??? by KnowAll(op): 8:20pm On Jun 03 |
givedemwotowoto:U get brain so😳 Please don’t let your obsession with Obi affect your mental thinking. Which 4 years, please read through the thread I gave 2 very graphic examples OBJ selling the refineries and what happened in Ekiti State. Go read through and come back to me. Obi’s 4 years is a waste of time and waste of votes. It would amount to zero in another 4 years. |
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