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Ezimuoh:
You been dey on AC on top Tubular Battery?

People do it

You need to see what people subject their system to out in the wild.

I've seen things.

Surprisingly, some works, but sadly not for long.

Unfaized:
So I called an installer for quotation for one project like that and this man shocked me today. He is recommending 10mm Ac cable for the PV (Is this even possible?)

I've heard bassdow talk about using thick Nepa Aluminum wires in place of dc cable to save cost, so which one this installer dey call 10mm normal AC wire 😂.

Told him straight up I want DC cable coz I no fit shout. Abeg make una educate us if this is feasible and what are the likely risks involved for educational purposes.

you see the reason why people house get burnt.. here is an example.. i have seen things. some even using 3core ac wire to run dc cable

Who dey sell original MCB and MCCB for here? Wey dey trip at the specs written on the body?
I no wan buy 125A wey dey trip for 80A or 150A.
Thanks for the info

Do we still have any honest and trustworthy solar panel seller in Alaba or Oshodi here... who will give any wattage panel and it'll be the exact wattage.

Some sellers are not trust worthy at all

twinskenny:
you see the reason why people house get burnt.. here is an example.. i have seen things. some even using 3core ac wire to run dc cable

That's funny my dear. Houses wouldn't get burnt if things are properly done. Check well, Majority (if not all) of such houses you refered to all used Copper cable.

Make una dey try reason say no be only Naive + inExperienced people dey this thread na.

Anyway Sha, Hopefully you not refering to the Aluminium Cable OP refered to. And as for 3-core AC wire, or even 2-core or single core, such person ought be arrested. That's if truely na TRUE.

Bryanluke:
Do we still have any honest and trustworthy solar panel seller in Alaba or Oshodi here... who will give any wattage panel and it'll be the exact wattage.

Some sellers are not trust worthy at all

There are Sir BUT at the moment, Quality solar panels (USEd or NEW) are somewhat scarce.

mctfopt:
People do it

You need to see what people subject their system to out in the wild.

I've seen things.

Surprisingly, some works, but sadly not for long.

Wait Ooo, so before Lithium battery, no One was using AirConditioner abi shey na me no understand una ni ?

AyarmBoye:
bro even a taico 1.28kwh battery is better than 90% of lead acid batteries being sold at alaba

See eh, issue is most are used to FAKE leadAcid batteries. Back in the days when I got into Solar newly, My batteries no dey last beyond 8-months TILL I stopped buying the likes of Neptune and the rest. Quality leadAcid batteries dey wether wet or dry cell. Issue be say most of us go run from expensive ones, buy cheap Ones, then later come complain.

Once again, not saying Lithium chemistry ain't superior to leadAcid batteries BUT a low quality lithium based battery can rarely surpass a quality leadAcid battery.

For market, we dey call those fake batteries "Alaba Battery"

bassdow:
See eh, issue is most are used to FAKE leadAcid batteries. Back in the days when I got into Solar newly, My batteries no dey last beyond 8-months TILL I stopped buying the likes of Neptune and the rest. Quality leadAcid batteries dey wether wet or dry cell. Issue be say most of us go run from expensive ones, buy cheap Ones, then later come complain.

Once again, not saying Lithium chemistry ain't superior to leadAcid batteries BUT a low quality lithium based battery can rarely surpass a quality leadAcid battery.

For market, we dey call those fake batteries "Alaba Battery"

you are right..that’s why I said 90% of Alaba batteries…

AyarmBoye:
sharp… the best investment is that your lifepo4 u just bought…you will enjoy it….. I use a transformer based inverter with my lithium battery (solar for charging with Mppt cc) I want to upgrade to hybrid transformerless but my problem is lightning,,I have much here during raining season and I Dey fear for the inverter..my current inverter is rugged and I haven’t even had issues since I got it even with all the lightning thunder I no Dey put am off..


I just one relate the later innovation but I Dey fear…I heard hybrid is more efficient in term of power consumption

Hope say You no dey Ogun state (Especially our side for Ota), rainy season comes with angry wind + random thunder / lightenings.

For our side in Lagos, and even most places in Lagos, rain dey fall gently with no trouble.

unFortunately, me dey use transformer based inverter for the 48v system so can't tell BUT I know 2 people using Solar pumping machine that theirs got so bad they had to buy another pumping machine. One of them even had to downgrade to our level.

Thing is, other than extra efficiency, transformer based inverters remains king. If possible, get 2 inverters: the transformer based Rugeddy baba for day time use. This could even be much bigger. Then a smaller or same capacity but transformerLess inverter to be used mostly from Evenings since their idle battery draw is often much low.

Also that way, you have extra inverter acting as backUp should one go bad which you could rely on till the bad one gets fixed / replaced.

But then again, with proper earthing, probably also thunder arrestor, good breakers and the likes + Prayers, you could face no issue BUT me no get that kind FAITH

Also, One must not leave inverter ON overNight unnecessarily especially if you got transformer based inverter from 5kva, or 10kva and above.

bassdow:
it's safe to wanna assume the battery is gone BUT would suggest getting an experienced person to examine your setUp. A properly cared for battery of good / average quality shouldn't packUp within 2 years

you didn't see the part where he said he was using it with AC? When I saw that part I just smiled and moved on. 😂

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bassdow:
There are Sir BUT at the moment, Quality solar panels (USEd or NEW) are somewhat scarce.

but why ain't they giving the right solar panel watt instead of the fake sticker label on the panel

bassdow:
That's funny my dear. Houses wouldn't get burnt if things are properly done. Check well, Majority (if not all) of such houses you refered to all used Copper cable.

Make una dey try reason say no be only Naive + inExperienced people dey this thread na.

Anyway Sha, Hopefully you not refering to the Aluminium Cable OP refered to. And as for 3-core AC wire, or even 2-core or single core, such person ought be arrested. That's if truely na TRUE.

i dont know what you are implying but i don move.. it is easier for you to type all these guess you are not a regular site person. but try not to encourage what you suppose to discouraged.. there is a reason why we have DC and AC cable.

dont cut corners!

Bryanluke:
7 but why ain't they giving the right solar panel watt instead of the fake sticker label on the panel

original panels are available but not cheap

08051355133

bassdow:
Wait Ooo, so before Lithium battery, no One was using AirConditioner abi shey na me no understand una ni ?

setup 8 batteries years ago for a client.. he used to run 2 no of 1hp ac on the system. tubular batteries was luminious inverlast.. such a good battery then before they flooded the market with fake ones

Bryanluke:
Do we still have any honest and trustworthy solar panel seller in Alaba or Oshodi here... who will give any wattage panel and it'll be the exact wattage.

Some sellers are not trust worthy at all

Original panels available in Ilorin.

twinskenny:
original panels are available but not cheap

08051355133

which one is original not cheap. They are all original but they only change stickers on the panel to another wattage. Your location in lagos

Bryanluke:
7 but why ain't they giving the right solar panel watt instead of the fake sticker label on the panel

You can just order directly from Fouani website.

I ordered 6 pieces of 625watts bifacial on Monday morning and it got delivered to my doorstep by 3pm free of charge.

bassdow:
your friend funny . unfortunately, checking for voltage ain't how to check battery health.

How then?

Bryanluke:
which one is original not cheap. They are all original but they only change stickers on the panel to another wattage. Your location in lagos

Really lol nawa

twinskenny:
Really lol nawa

Most of these guys here on this thread have a reasoning that is so Alarming you start to wonder how they are in person.

Their reasoning is so bad that you wonder if it’s not this type of people that raze down houses in the name of Solar.

But then I console myself with the fact that most Nigerians are something else to start with.

Dabss:
you didn't see the part where he said he was using it with AC? When I saw that part I just smiled and moved on. 😂

Did you also see this response https://www.nairaland.com/390522/solar-energy-complement-fta/2378#139612071 by @twinskenny in response to my comment ?

Bryanluke:
which one is original not cheap. They are all original but they only change stickers on the panel to another wattage. Your location in lagos

Hopefully you're just an end User

twinskenny:
setup 8 batteries years ago for a client.. he used to run 2 no of 1hp ac on the system. tubular batteries was luminious inverlast.. such a good battery then before they flooded the market with fake ones

I'm quite glad you at least acknowledged that leadAcid batteries are capable so long they're quality ones and properly sized.

Now this is what I've always said annd implied whenever I speak about leadAcid batteries. Yes Lithium is better BUT if you can't afford the quality ones or don't have a reliable vendor, kukuma go for leadAcid batteries and while at it, ensure they're the quality ones else it's a waste of resources.

And actually, getting quality lead Acid batteries is much more easier than Lithium based batteries.

Someone just upgraded 8pcs of Tubular batteries of almost 8 years and He runs 2 standing ACs and 1 split unit AC among other loads.

Now We've moved him to Lithium because Oga wants to add 2 more ACs. Person wey him balcony sef dey cool. All doors have foam underneat to trap the cool air.

Now the lithium batteries occupies less space than lead Acid battery YET that doesn't mean the leadAcid batterie didn't dutifully serve their purpose.

So you see why I refuse to keep mute when people try to completely pait leadAcid batteries black.

As for the NEPA Aluminium wire; I use it personally and have deployed it for few clients on tight budget and guess what,, a lot of times, you could barely tell the difference. Of course my expertise on it didn't happen overNight as starting with mine, had to almost once in a year go adjust the connection then with time, realized how to connect them properly and it's been over 6 years I last touched it.

Aluminium cables ca always replace Copper. You just need it much thicker to achieve same or similar results and most times, depending on capacity of setUp, those ones sold down the street for less than 20,000 naira is what you need if you can't afford spending much especially if distance is long.

e get reason NEPA dey use am despite having all the funds. So me wey no too guide go come dey burn the small funds wey I get just to do what exactly when there's a simialr alternative.

Funny enough, nowAdays most people are doing high voltage setUps, Aluminium would give you as close a result that you get from Copper.

I'm not one to easily go south just because everyOne is doing so. Most time, I decide and know why I'm doing that which I do.

And personally, I don't see mySelf using Lithium batteries anytime soon despite knowing they're more superior and know where to get quality ones BUT that's me personally. For clients, I give them options, inform them on the differences and what to expecta nd most times, we end up deploying Lithium for them.

And Yea, Everything about Copper remains good except it's PRICE.

So no worry; I know what I'm doing

Update!!!
I called the engineer to help me diagnose the problem with the inverter system. He detected that the battery terminal going from battery to the inverter was burnt and partly broken. Reason for the tripping off when using heavy appliances. He changed the wire and everything is working fine now.
Thanks to everybody who offered advice on how to go about the problem.
I appreciate each suggestion.

twinskenny:
i dont know what you are implying but i don move.. it is easier for you to type all these guess you are not a regular site person. but try not to encourage what you suppose to discouraged.. there is a reason why we have DC and AC cable.

dont cut corners!

so You got evidence I cut corners just because I suggested means for those on tight budget to cut costs eh Oga Professional ?

HustlingHustler:
Update!!!
I called the engineer to help me diagnose the problem with the inverter system. He detected that the battery terminal going from battery to the inverter was burnt and partly broken. Reason for the tripping off when using heavy appliances. He changed the wire and everything is working fine now.
Thanks to everybody who offered advice on how to go about the problem.
I appreciate each suggestion.

...and there were people who would have hoped the issue is battery related since you using leadAcid battery

bassdow:
so You got evidence I cut corners just because I suggested means for those on tight budget to cut costs eh Oga Professional ?

Do whatever that's work for you sir.. you can even go ahead and advice them to use coaxial cable in place of DC cable no issue. .GOOD 🤞 LUCK

Unfaized:
You can just order directly from Fouani website.

I ordered 6 pieces of 625watts bifacial on Monday morning and it got delivered to my doorstep by 3pm free of charge.

Wow I just checked the Fouani website but they don’t have the 535 watt bifacial panel I wanted to order. Can I order the 590 watt bifacial panel they have, to compliment the single 535 watt panel I already installed? I’m confused, I don’t want to order for it then installer will say it cannot work with each other

hoover420:
Wow I just checked the Fouani website but they don’t have the 535 watt bifacial panel I wanted to order. Can I order the 590 watt bifacial panel they have, to compliment the single 535 watt panel I already installed? I’m confused, I don’t want to order for it then installer will say it cannot work with each other

you could but kindly understand the pros and cons of doing so. Would suggest you wait as the gap sef is much.

hoover420:
Wow I just checked the Fouani website but they don’t have the 535 watt bifacial panel I wanted to order. Can I order the 590 watt bifacial panel they have, to compliment the single 535 watt panel I already installed? I’m confused, I don’t want to order for it then installer will say it cannot work with each other

I don't think ordering a single panel qualifies for free delivery.

That bn said, better to either wait or get a 535 bifacial from another source. Connecting 590 & 535 will limit output to lowest rated panel resulting in significant loss in efficiency.