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lucianohase:
They want Iran war to end but they don't want Ukraine war to end

Na usa go end ukraine war? Abi u no go school?

In this case it's the other way round

chatinent:
The sad about all these killings is that it is mostly the poor that are affected.

Leepeak:
Sometimes I wonder who define dictator for me
You or trump
Who is a dictator
If trump were a dictator like Putin
So Putin is a dictator mtcheew nonsense talk
If Emmanuel is a dictator like Kane

You want to know who is a dictator?
You see how Democrats and even some Republicans harshly criticize Trump in US Congress all the time and some even call him vile names? Now go to the Duma and whisper to someone that maybe the war in Ukraine wasn't such a good idea, let's see how many of your relatives will still be free by the end of the week. As for you, let's just say people will get used to no longer seeing you around

Obedience40:
Wars are never popular dude!!.. the Senate is not the house!! The same resolution did not even get to the Senate floor talkless of vote... all am saying is that such resolution is hard to pass in the present day US Senate and that's true!!... the house resolution is merely symbolic. The real battle is the Senate..trust me it is easier for a carmel to pass through the eye of a needle than for such resolution to pass at the Senate!!

Veto or not, the president has within his powers to commit the US military without Congress approval for a number of days

Sharp and Intelligent.
The number of days is 90.
Right now, it is currently being debated that the 90 days has to be consecutive. Therefore, a cessation within that 90 days means the 90 days will start to count afresh. If that scales, all Donald Azikiwe Ibrahim Trump needs to be doing is to pummel Iran for 88 days, cease hostilities for one day and resume another 90 days 🤣🤣

Gbadebo19:
Sharp and Intelligent.
The number of days is 90.
Right now, it is currently being debated that the 90 days has to be consecutive. Therefore, a cessation within that 90 days means the 90 days will start to count afresh. If that scales, all Donald Azikiwe Ibrahim Trump needs to be doing is to pummel Iran for 88 days, cease hostilities for one day and resume another 90 days 🤣🤣

It is actually 60 days. 60 days with a POSSIBLE 30-day extension for troop withdrawal.
In this particular case they gave Trump 60 days.
I think they'd vote it means 60 days cummulative with possible rxtention of 30 days, otherwise like u said, it'd be ridiculous

Caseless:
They don't think.

You are the ones who don't think. This is not a war. Iran has ZERO air defence. If US decides to carpet bomb Iran tommorrow WHAT will Iran do?? THINK!

QuinQ:
You want to know who is a dictator?
You see how Democrats and even some Republicans harshly criticize Trump in US Congress all the time and some even call him vile names? Now go to the Duma and whisper to someone that maybe the war in Ukraine wasn't such a good idea, let's see how many of your relatives will still be free by the end of the week. As for you, let's just say people will get used to no longer seeing you around

z
Too many Americans movies
And western media
Do u live in Russian?

QuinQ:
If Trump were a dictator like Putin Iran would have long ceased to exist as a we know it.


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5908560-iran-war-resolution-house/

an almost 4500 years old empire will cease to exist Because Of a paper tiger like America?? Oooh you think over time other world power hasn't tried in the last 4500 years?? From the Greek to The Roman & Byzantine Empires to the British(during the Anglo Persian War) and now America, a country that has been weakened for over 5 Decades(50years) with sanctions and isolation, and yet the US and Isreal couldn't defeat them you are here hyping the paper tiger.

Leepeak:
z
Too many Americans movies
And western media
Do u live in Russian?

Amrrican movies my arse
See below

QuinQ:
You were adked a simple question: if US had a DICTATOR willing to bomb Iran to the stone ages (non-nuclear bombs), is there anything Iran can do to stop it?
That's the question

Yes.

By holding the globe hostage.

Who's running up and down begging for a deal to end the war? Trump. He knows he can't do shiit.

cedricksly:
an almost 4500 years old empire will cease to exist Because Of a paper tiger like America?? Oooh you think over time other world power hasn't tried in the last 4500 years?? From the Greek to The Roman & Byzantine Empires to the British(during the Anglo Persian War) and now America, a country that has been weakened for over 5 Decades(50years) with sanctions and isolation, and yet the US and Isreal couldn't defeat them you are here hyping the paper tiger.

Ok, let's bring it to the ground. The day Ukraine stops having their highly sophisticated air defense system, they'd be officially defeated because Russia wouldn't hesitate bombing them to smithereens. Now, Iran, not only do they have ZERO air defense, they have no Navy, nor Airforce, This is NOT a war!. Iran was defeated long ago!
Question: WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY, would Iran do if US decides to carpet bomb them to the stone age??

Neoteny:
Yes.

By holding the globe hostage.

Who's running up and down begging for a deal to end the war? Trump. He knows he can't do shiit.

You are soo wrong. What happened when Trump threatened to destroy them if they didn't open the Straight by a certain deadline. First we saw them moving civilians to key bridges and infrastructure😅. Then next thing we read was that the Straight had been opened. Is that how wars are fought? Is that what's happening in, say, Ukraine? Iran was defeated long ago. US can carpet bomb (and destroy) Iran and Oman including Hormus if they pulled no punches, and there is NOTHING Iran can do about it! Their only saving grace is that they're facing a democracy that has not even declared a war, and Trump's hands are tied in so many ways. That's it!

QuinQ:
You are soo wrong. What happened when Trump threatened to destroy them if they didn't open the Straight by a certain deadline. First we saw them moving civilians to key bridges and infrastructure😅. Then next thing we read was that the Straight had been opened. Is that how wars are fought? Is that what's happening in, say, Ukraine? Iran was defeated long ago. US can carpet bomb (and destroy) Iran and Oman including Hormus if they pulled no punches, and there is NOTHING Iran can do about it! Their only saving grace is that they're facing a democracy and Trump's hands are tied in so many ways. That's it!

How is trump's hands tied, when Congress was reluctant to rein in trump until the vote yesterday?

He's been shouting himself blue with endless threats before redrawing the redline. Why do they call him TACO?

Iran is so much in control they threatened to walk away if there's no ceasefire in Lebanon, leading to Trump and Bibi's infamous call.

There's nothing in US democracy that can usurp the US Commander-in-Chief's powers.

Yeah. You're just not clued into global events.

HacheNoire:
😂🤣😂🤣😂

First time in history that the US got tired of fighting!

Iran made history!

The books of history will be so interesting, especially that part that will detail how Iran humbled the USA and Israel AT THE SAME TIME

ur mumu no get part 2,can u just listen to yourself 😂🤣😂

Neoteny:
How is trump's hands tied, when Congress was reluctant to rein in trump until the vote yesterday?

He's been shouting himself blue with endless threats before redrawing the redline. Why do they call him TACO?

Iran is so much in control they threatened to walk away if there's no ceasefire in Lebanon, leading to Trump and Bibi's infamous call.

There's nothing in US democracy that can usurp the US Commander-in-Chief's powers.

Yeah. You're just not clued into global events.

Ignorance. See below, has congress declared any war? US is governed by laws NOT C-in-C.
It is not a dictatorship like Russia or China. Trump has exhausted the 60 days he has and can only take defensive actions, and is facing a mid-term elections. He can no longer threaten to bomb Iran. If Ukraine were anything like Iran is right now they'd have lost the war long ago. Putin would simply bomb them to submission and take over

QuinQ:
Ignorance. See below, has congress declared any war? US is governed by laws NOT C-in-C.
It is not a dictatorship like Russia or China. Trump has exhausted the 60 days he has and can only take defensive actions, and is facing a mid-term elections. He can no longer threaten to bomb Iran. If Ukraine were anything like Iran is right now they'd have lost the war long ago. Putin would simply bomb them to submission and take over

You're repeating the constraints i mentioned, except the C-in-C part. The 60 day restriction applies only to full declaration of war, meaning he can take any unilateral action within that limit and, if that action exceeds 60 days with troops deployed, he has to inform Congress as only they can declare war.

It therefore means he can nuke Iran or whoever within the 60 days, or even invade another and kidnap the president as in the case of Venezuela without congress being involved. Congress does not control any arm of the military, cannot unilaterally declare or end wars, and cannot deploy or recall troops. That's the exclusive propagative of the President, who directly sits at the top of the military and national security council and has absolute authority over the Pentagon.

The issues of midterms and allies and such are political hindrances that he dan chose to ignore and damn the consequences, just like George Bush jr did with Iran.

Neoteny:
You're repeating the constraints i mentioned, except the C-in-C part. The 60 day restriction applies only to full declaration of war, meaning he can take any unilateral action within that limit and, if that action exceeds 60 days with troops deployed, he has to inform Congress as only they can declare war.

It therefore means he can nuke Iran or whoever within the 60 days, or even invade another and kidnap the president as in the case of Venezuela without congress being involved. Congress does not control any arm of the military, cannot unilaterally declare or end wars, and cannot deploy or recall troops. That's the exclusive propagative of the President, who directly sits at the top of the military and national security council and has absolute authority over the Pentagon.

The issues of midterms and allies and such are political hindrances that he dan chose to ignore and damn the consequences, just like George Bush jr did with Iran.

You know, I don't ger people like you. You really don't think Trump is hampered by checks and balances inherent in the American system?? He has a free hand just like Putin. Na wa for you o.
See below

QuinQ:
And is constantly hospitalized and dare not be seen in public

Enjoy this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3jR60Jj_8

educatedfool:
Enjoy this
https://ww.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3jR60Jj_8

Not bad, but this one is more meaningful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pmycmEpbk?si=m8DfNvg0CMEU3Wwi

QuinQ:
You know, I don't ger people like you. You really don't think Trump is hampered by checks and balances inherent in the American system?? He has a free hand just like Putin. Na wa for you o.
See below

Was the Venezuela raid legal? They obeyed him.

Was attacking Iran legal? They obeyed him. And killed 168 children in Minab.

What constitutes an illegal order in your book?

Now, show the relevant section of the Constitution that specifically contains his authority as the Commander in Chief.

The only Laws are the Posse Comitatus Act which forbids using the military to enforce laws within the borders of the US unless during existential emergencies (and guess what? The president mobilized the National Guard and Marines and no one stopped him), and the War Powers Act, which stipulates informing Congress of troop deployment to hostilities within 48 hours, and that the president can keep troops on such deployment for a maximum of 60 days before seeking Congress's approval to extend or declare war. There's nothing that says he can't unilaterally deploy troops anywhere for any reason and keep them there for up to 60 days (more than enough time to totally wreck an adversary) or restrains the intensity of that deployment. He only needs to INFORM Congress. The ODNI informed Congress that only the president, as commander in chief, can decide what constitutes a threat, and can deploy any means to address it.

The 2nd Amendment exists precisely because the president has near-unlimited powers to deploy troops, because the founding fathers were anticipating a probable tyranny from abusing the absolute authority of the president.

Now, I'll wait for you to show me the laws/acts that tie the hands of the president from deploying troops and munitions to any contested theater, and the attendant laws/acts that prohibit the kind of firepower the military can unleash on adversaries.

Until you do provide these laws, maybe sit this one out.

Neoteny:
Was the Venezuela raid legal? They obeyed him.

Was attacking Iran legal? They obeyed him. And killed 168 children in Minab.

What constitutes an illegal order in your book?

Now, show the relevant section of the Constitution that specifically contains his authority as the Commander in Chief.

The only Laws are the Posse Comitatus Act which forbids using the military to enforce laws within the borders of the US unless during existential emergencies (and guess what? The president mobilized the National Guard and Marines and no one stopped him), and the War Powers Act, which stipulates informing Congress of troop deployment to hostilities within 48 hours, and that the president can keep troops on such deployment for a maximum of 60 days before seeking Congress's approval to extend or declare war. There's nothing that says he can't unilaterally deploy troops anywhere for any reason and keep them there for up to 60 days (more than enough time to totally wreck an adversary) or restrains the intensity of that deployment. He only needs to INFORM Congress. The ODNI informed Congress that only the president, as commander in chief, can decide what constitutes a threat, and can deploy any means to address it.

The 2nd Amendment exists precisely because the president has near-unlimited powers to deploy troops, because the founding fathers were anticipating a probable tyranny from abusing the absolute authority of the president.

Now, I'll wait for you to show me the laws/acts that tie the hands of the president from deploying troops and munitions to any contested theater, and the attendant laws/acts that prohibit the kind of firepower the military can unleash on adversaries.

Until you do provide these laws, maybe sit this one out.

We are discussing IRAN. The president has exceeded the 60 days. He can no longer threaten to bomb Iran to the stone age. He can now only take defensive and preemptive action. He has tried using the ceasefire as basis for argument. Iran also knows US laws and how he can use ceasefire as excuse.
Read the Wars Powers below. IT IS THE LAW!!!

QuinQQ:
We are discussing IRAN. The president has exceeded the 60 days. He can no longer threaten to bomb Iran to the stone age. He can now only take defensive and preemptive action. He has tried using the ceasefire as basis for argument. Iran also knows US laws and how he can use ceasefire as excuse.
Read the Wars Powers below. IT IS THE LAW!!!

Lols you're shifting the goal post. I don't need to to read the war powers act considering i know what it is and quoted it before you. Read my last post where i explained.

Your assertion was Trump cannot bomb Iran into the stone age because US democracy has guardrails that check him. But I said that's not true, there's nothing in US law that limits his ability to wage war and even use nuclear weapons on an adversary. Note two things here:

-only the US president can decide what constitutes an adversary. Only he therefore can deploy troops

-the war powers act doesn't restrain him from deciding who's a threat, how and when he deploys troops, what actions he takes. It only stipulates being INFORMED about such military actions if troops are deployed within 48 hours, and that military action can continue only for a maximum of 60 days, after which congress would decide to declare war or require the troops to be redeployed back to base. That's all the Act says.

In those 60 days, the US president can unleash as much devastating firepower as he wishes, including nukes, to decimate adversaries back to the stone age. Nothing in the Act stops him.

Finally, the Act only applies when there's deployment of men and materièl. He can comfortably sit at home and send drones or lob intercontinental ballistic missiles for as long as he wishes without the Act restraining him. That's what Obama did with his unilateral drone program for years without any law stopping him.

I hope you understand now.

Neoteny:
Lols you're shifting the goal post. I don't need to to read the war powers act considering i know what it is and quoted it before you. Read my last post where i explained.

Your assertion was Trump cannot bomb Iran into the stone age because US democracy has guardrails that check him. But I said that's not true, there's nothing in US law that limits his ability to wage war and even use nuclear weapons on an adversary. Note two things here:

-only the US president can decide what constitutes an adversary. Only he therefore can deploy troops

-the war powers act doesn't restrain him from deciding who's a threat, how and when he deploys troops, what actions he takes. It only stipulates being INFORMED about such military actions if troops are deployed within 48 hours, and that military action can continue only for a maximum of 60 days, after which congress would decide to declare war or require the troops to be redeployed back to base. That's all the Act says.

In those 60 days, the US president can unleash as much devastating firepower as he wishes, including nukes, to decimate adversaries back to the stone age. Nothing in the Act stops him.

Finally, the Act only applies when there's deployment of men and materièl. He can comfortably sit at home and send drones or lob intercontinental ballistic missiles for as long as he wishes without the Act restraining him. That's what Obama did with his unilateral drone program for years without any law stopping him.

I hope you understand now.

My friend, do you have a problem with comprehension? 60 days! 60 days!! 60 days!!! Trump has exceeded 60 days in Iran and can no longer wage war without congressional authorization! He can only take preemptive and defensive action! He knows it and has been trying to see if they can argue ceasefire restarts the clock. Iran knows it too!
BTW I mentioned war powers before you and posted this below about it. A law that lawyers are still debating except the obvious 60 days is the same law you're pretending to know what constitutes what, including what drones, deployment, etc mean. Rest abeg.
Lawyers are continually debating what all these mean except the obvious. Stop pretending you know!

QuinQQ:
My friend, do you have a problem with comprehension? 60 days! 60 days!! 60 days!!! Trump has exceeded 60 days in Iran and can no longer wage war without congressional authorization! He can only take preemptive and defensive action! He knows it and has been trying to see if they can argue ceasefire restarts the clock. Iran knows it too!
BTW I mentioned war powers before you and posted this below about it. A law that lawyers are still debating except the obvious 60 days is the same law you're pretending to know what constitutes what, including what drones, deployment, etc mean. Rest abeg.
Lawyers are continually debating what all these mean except the obvious. Stop pretending you know!

You're seriously obtuse.

Why do you latch on to the 60 days as if that was the original argument? You said American democracy won't allow him to decimate Iran or anyone else. I told you there's nothing to stop him in their constitution.

Did he require congressional approval to invade Venezuela? Did he require congressional approval to bomb isfahan and natanz and fordow? Did he require congressional approval to deploy carrier strike groups, tankers and marines to the middle east?

He can use all the military resources unchecked to destroy anything he wants within the 60 day limit and nothing can stop him. He himself said only his morality can stop him.

He also doesn't need to send troops to attack and destroy, he can leverage kinetic unmanned munitions just like Obama used drones and Clinton used tomahawks to attack Libya.

Trump can withdraw the troops, declare a new threat, deploy, and restart a new countdown of the 60 days.

If you cannot come up with a suitable argument backed by the laws you claim can stop him from acting unilaterally as the Commander in Chief, then maybe you should shut the hell up and go play with your nuts as you clearly know nothing about what you've led yourself into.

Neoteny:
You're seriously obtuse.

Why do you latch on to the 60 days as if that was the original argument? You said American democracy won't allow him to decimate Iran or anyone else. I told you there's nothing to stop him in their constitution.

Did he require congressional approval to invade Venezuela? Did he require congressional approval to bomb isfahan and natanz and fordow? Did he require congressional approval to deploy carrier strike groups, tankers and marines to the middle east?

He can use all the military resources unchecked to destroy anything he wants within the 60 day limit and nothing can stop him. He himself said only his morality can stop him.

He also doesn't need to send troops to attack and destroy, he can leverage kinetic unmanned munitions just like Obama used drones and Clinton used tomahawks to attack Libya.

Trump can withdraw the troops, declare a new threat, deploy, and restart a new countdown of the 60 days.

If you cannot come up with a suitable argument backed by the laws you claim can stop him from acting unilaterally as the Commander in Chief, then maybe you should shut the hell up and go play with your nuts as you clearly know nothing about what you've led yourself into.

Bros, you sure u okay at all? CAN TRUMP DO ANYTHING HE WANTS IN IRAN RIGHT NOW??
He can't!!! That's the whole point!! His hands are tied - unlike, say, Putin. Putin WILL bomb Ukraine to submission and take over IF Ukraine were as IRAN is right now, Trump CAN'T! And please stop delving into the minutae of the laws - even lawyers are debating what it all means.

You know, I just can't believe that a sane human being is arguing that a US president is NOT hampered by the very democratic nature of the country. Is Putin facing a mid-term election? All it'll take for Trump to HAVE TO leave Iran is for enough members of Congress to vote he must leave. THAT'S IT!
Truman best explained the nature of the presidency below. Please stop arguing nonsense.

President Harry S. Truman frequently expressed how surprised he was to find out the extent to which a president is limited - that being president meant discovering you cannot simply do whatever you want. Truman famously compared the office to "riding a tiger," where the president is essentially forced to persuade others and navigate limits rather than issue dictatorial commands.