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AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible was it derived that the persons of God are Co-equal and Co-eternal?

Kobojunkie:
The statement "My Father is greater than I," kicks out the co-equal claims. 🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Hear, O Israel (YHWH) our God, (YHWH) is one. Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬

So where did you get PERSONS of God?😟

Kobojunkie:
The statement "My Father is greater than I," kicks out the co-equal claims. Coequal is defined as being equal with another in rank, status , ability and rank. They are one but not equal. 🥱

I could use an analogy about the relationship between the Allah of Islam and the Quran to explain this bit, too, using details taken from the Quran and Hadiths. 🥱

AntiChristian:
➜"My father is greater than I" may said to relate to the Father compared to the Jesus on earth! Jesus humbled himself so the father will be greater than the humbled Jesus!
➜ What are you talking about in using an analogy in Islam....?

AntiChristian:
So where is that part of the Athanacian creed derived from that their are one being, three persons of God; and they are Co-equal and Co-eternal?

Kobojunkie:
I don't subscribe to any religion(all religions are scams). I can only tell you what is directly stated in the books.

Kobojunkie:
1. That literally makes no sense as it is based on two weak assumptions and not much else.

2. In Islam, the Quran is similarly related to Allah. It is considered the word of Allah in Islam, implying it has some form of divinity, does it not? However, it is not considered co-equal with Allah in Islam, as the Hadiths state that the Quran will take the form of a man to argue the case of those who would believe in Allah in Islam.

Kobojunkie:
I don't subscribe to any religion(all religions are scams). I can only tell you what is directly stated in the books.

AntiChristian:
➜What assumptions? Philippians 2:5-8
➜ This is not even close at all. The Qur'an will become a man on Judgement day. Is the man coming to earth to become another Allah? Or how is this even close to "the Persons Of God Are Co-equal And Co-eternal"?

AntiChristian:
➜So the dogma of co-equal and co-eternal Gods in Christianity is unfounded in the Bible?

Kobojunkie:
The fact that all religions are scams according to Israelite texts.

MaxInDHouse:
Where are the texts?

Truthseeker10:
That kobo guy does not even know the meaning of religion. So just leave him in ignorance.

Kobojunkie:
1. Philippians is a letter written by a man whose assumptions you glorify over the facts.

2. It is actually very close. Your Quran in Islam is considered the word and law of Allah of Islam, and it will appear as a man who(without being judged himself) would stand to argue for believers before Allah of Islam. That is divinity accorded to the Quran.

AntiChristian:
➜So you don't accept Philipians attributed to Paul too?
➜ Which books do you now accept from the Bible books?
➜The Torah was his word as well as the Injeel.
➜ How is it divinity according to the Qur'an?
➜ Are the Torah and Injeel too same?

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible was it derived that the persons of God are Co-equal and Co-eternal?

plesion:
As far as I understand, if men do not look to the Lord God Jesus Christ, and do not live that Father and He is one. Then the idea necessarily rises that they are two, and then in order to preserve the Divinity of the Lord, that whole idea of the co-eternal persons was created, for without it, the Lord's Human would not have believed to be Divine at all.

But if the ancient term person is seen as the attribute, not a mask, being put-on or off, or replaced with some other, then there can be the idea of one God and One Person, in whom is the Holy Trinity, similar to a man, in whom is body/soul/operation, and the man was created in the image and likeness of God.

But it is important to think of the invisible something as person, but of the Lord Jesus Christ as that Person. And it is in His name that the disciples baptized others.

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't mention the name Paul, though. Anyways, regardless of the particular identity of the writer, my meaning is that when you elevate the opinions of a man(those letters were written by men who are believed to have been 1st century followers of Jesus Christ of Israel) over the Law(in this case, the Gospel, the eternal Law of YHWH), a practice that is typical among religionists.

3. Well, first, the YHWH of Israel who in fact gave the Torah, His prophets, and then the Injeel as well to His people, Israel, is not the Allah of Islam.

4. According to much of Islamic scholarship, the Quran is the word spoken of Allah of Islam. It is considered eternally unchanging(divine attributes), even though you privately believe his word changes and is not eternal. It will stand as judge against all Islamists on judgment day; it will itself not be judged(yet another divine attribute).

5. The Word of YHWH is the same Yesterday, Today, and forevermore.

AntiChristian:
✓ It is regarded as scripture by many who regard the Bible as holy book. So how do you determine which book is scripture in the Bible?

2. I accept all that are considered Scripture as that: Books of Scripture. Paul and the other disciples who wrote letters never stated or affirmed their words were Scripture. Are the stories/biographies in the Bible too scriptures? So which new testament book is scripture to you?

3. Well, first, the YHWH of Israel who in fact gave the Torah, His prophets, and then the Injeel as well to His people, Israel, is not the Allah of Islam. That's your own opinion and ideology.

4. According to much of Islamic scholarship, the Quran is the word spoken of Allah of Islam. It is considered eternally unchanging(divine attributes), even though you privately believe his word changes and is not eternal. It will stand as judge against all Islamists on judgment day; it will itself not be judged(yet another divine attribute).
Existence in Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuz (The Preserved Tablet):
The Islamic theology holds that the Qur'an, as the speech of Allah, exists eternally in a celestial record called Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuz. This is the divine, unalterable source from which the Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad.

The Qur'an as the Speech of Allah and Its
Uncreated Nature:
The Qur'an is considered the Kalam Allah (Word or Speech of Allah), an attribute of Allah that is eternal and uncreated. This means the Qur'an, in its essence, is not a created thing but an eternal attribute of God.

Unchanging Text with Abrogation in Rulings:
The text of the Qur'an is unchanging and preserved perfectly. However, some verses revealed earlier were abrogated in terms of legal rulings by later verses (a concept known as Naskh). This does not affect the text’s preservation but relates to the application of its commands.

Revelation Period of 23 Years:
The Qur'an was revealed gradually over approximately 23 years, beginning in 610 CE and concluding shortly before the Prophet’s death in 632 CE. This gradual revelation was suited to the circumstances and needs of the early Muslim community.

Eternity of the Qur'an:
The Qur'an as Allah’s speech is eternal and uncreated. However, the physical copies, recitations, and manifestations of the Qur'an in the created world are created and temporal. Sunni doctrine distinguishes between the eternal divine attribute and its temporal expressions.

The Qur'an as a Judge on the Day of Judgment:
The Qur'an will serve as a witness and criterion on the Day of Judgment, testifying for or against those who recited and followed it. This is based on Qur'anic verses and prophetic traditions.

The Qur'an Cannot Be Judged:
Since the Qur'an is the uncreated speech of Allah, it is not subject to judgment or critique. It is the ultimate standard by which all things are judged.

5. The Word of YHWH is the same Yesterday, Today, and forevermore. Which of the words did not change? Is it the spoken words or Jesus or which?

The word in the old testament was essentially different from the new testament!