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I lost interest in the game when real Madrid won the champions league and they took the cup to a statue/idol in the centre city of Madrid (Christiano Ronaldo handed the cup to a female idol in Madrid)



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geoworldedu:
If you draw any image as me, I will come and debunk it. But in the case of Jehovah, he won't be able to defend himself, because he is in a cage as Otem rightly said

Yes your jehovah is in a cage. I'm happy for you guys.

geoworldedu:
So if we snap a picture of Tinubu and Shettima standing together, automatically their names will appear on their images abi
What happened to (L-R: Tinubu, Shettima, Akpabio) texts we need to write on the image?

Let Jehovah speak for himself jare
If he isn't in his cage, he should respond na. Shebi when Elijah said the prophets of Baal should send down fire and they didn't send, he said maybe they were sleeping or they were caged, etc. That's what I think about Jehovah right now. He's the Jonah of our generation.

Oh, sorry, I mean to say, he is the Scofield of our time. Let's see if we can have another prison break

You drew a white beard man on a white robe and felt it looked good to call it Jehovah. God is not interested in what goes on in your little mind about him. You'll wait forever. Your obsession with God does not make or reduce who he is. Just enjoy your art in peace. Me I will guess and label the one in white robe as the devil and the one in blue as you. Just like anyone can label anything as he wants. Next time I can also label the white one as you and the one in blue as my dog. I know you all like cages.

safarifarms:
You drew a white beard man on a white robe and felt it looked good to call it Jehovah. God is not interested in what goes on in your little mind about him. You'll wait forever. Your obsession with God does not make or reduce who he is. Just enjoy your art in peace. Me I will guess and label the one in white robe as the devil and the one in blue as you. Just like anyone can label anything as he wants. Next time I can also label the white one as you and the one in blue as my dog. I know you all like cages.

if I should be obsessed with God, it should be with God Almighty which created Jehovah the prisoner, not with Jehovah the prisoner itself

geoworldedu:
if I should be obsessed with God, it should be with God Almighty which created Jehovah the prisoner, not with Jehovah the prisoner itself

You say you are obsessed with the 'God Almighty' who created everything. But by your own logic, if your 'God Almighty' is all-powerful, why did He allow His own creation (Jehovah) to trick humanity into 282,000 years of 'mind slavery' without stepping in? Why did your God Almighty wait until an internet forum user named Otem came along to put Jehovah in a cardboard cage?If a supreme God Almighty exists, He doesn't need humans to fight His spiritual battles or draw cartoons of caged entities on Nairaland. By treating Jehovah like a literal, physical prisoner that can be defeated by human books, you are reducing the spiritual realm to a comic book storyline. You claim to be free from religious cages, but you've just traded ancient scriptures for modern forum mythology.

safarifarms:
You say you are obsessed with the 'God Almighty' who created everything. But by your own logic, if your 'God Almighty' is all-powerful, why did He allow His own creation (Jehovah) to trick humanity into 282,000 years of 'mind slavery' without stepping in? Why did your God Almighty wait until an internet forum user named Otem came along to put Jehovah in a cardboard cage?If a supreme God Almighty exists, He doesn't need humans to fight His spiritual battles or draw cartoons of caged entities on Nairaland. By treating Jehovah like a literal, physical prisoner that can be defeated by human books, you are reducing the spiritual realm to a comic book storyline. You claim to be free from religious cages, but you've just traded ancient scriptures for modern forum mythology.

That's part of Existence. It's like a programmer who invented virus and then invented antivirus. Then you ask, why did he invent virus in the first place? Jehovah/Allah like the virus invented. Otem/Atum are like the antivriuses invented.

Omorr, life too sweet abeg.

When I enter the afterlife — if it exists — I will come back to tell you. Preachers condemn everything to hell apart from the devices which they use to type lies.

geoworldedu:
That's part of Existence. It's like a programmer who invented virus and then invented antivirus. Then you ask, why did he invent virus in the first place? Jehovah/Allah like the virus invented. Otem/Atum are like the antivriuses invented.

Omorr, life too sweet abeg.

Your programmer analogy completely destroys your own argument. If your 'God Almighty' intentionally programmed a spiritual virus (Jehovah/Allah) to cause 282,000 years of wars, hatred, terrorism, and infanticide (as listed in your verses), then your God Almighty is not a loving, supreme creator. He is a sadist playing a cruel game with human lives.What kind of software engineer releases a deadly virus to destroy his users' computers for centuries, watches them cry, and then waits until 2015 to release a patch called 'Otem' on Nairaland? If life is 'too sweet' for you while discussing a God who allegedly engineered human suffering for 282,000 years, then you don't care about truth—you just enjoy internet mythology. You didn't escape mind slavery; you just downloaded a different malware.

safarifarms:
Your programmer analogy completely destroys your own argument. If your 'God Almighty' intentionally programmed a spiritual virus (Jehovah/Allah) to cause 282,000 years of wars, hatred, terrorism, and infanticide (as listed in your verses), then your God Almighty is not a loving, supreme creator. He is a sadist playing a cruel game with human lives.What kind of software engineer releases a deadly virus to destroy his users' computers for centuries, watches them cry, and then waits until 2015 to release a patch called 'Otem' on Nairaland? If life is 'too sweet' for you while discussing a God who allegedly engineered human suffering for 282,000 years, then you don't care about truth—you just enjoy internet mythology. You didn't escape mind slavery; you just downloaded a different malware.

There was nowhere in the Book Of Universal History that claimed that God Almighty (The totality of existence) is a loving or a hating God. There was nowhere that said that it is a good or a bad God. Nowhere that said that God Almighty is humane or wicked. Nowhere in the book that said that God Almighty cared about anyone or anything.

Rather, God Almighty being the existence in totality has all emotional sides. Jehovah, Allah and all religious gods are the evil part, science and good philosophers are the good parts. Funny enough all these classifications are to be made by we humans, meaning that evil o, good o, wickedness o, loves o, hate o, are all subjective. There is no generality in them.

To prove that evil and good are subjective, there are evidences everywhere. For example some of us think USA Is doing good by attacking Iran while some of us think it is bad.

geoworldedu:
There was nowhere in the Book Of Universal History that claimed that God Almighty (The totality of existence) is a loving or a hating God. There was nowhere that said that it is a good or a bad God. Nowhere that said that God Almighty is humane or wicked. Nowhere in the book that said that God Almighty cared about anyone or anything.

Rather, God Almighty being the existence in totality has all emotional sides. Jehovah, Allah and all religious gods are the evil part, science and good philosophers are the good parts. Funny enough all these classifications are to be made by we humans, meaning that evil o, good o, wickedness o, loves o, hate o, are all subjective. There is no generality in them.

To prove that evil and good are subjective, there are evidences everywhere. For example some of us think USA Is doing good by attacking Iran while some of us think it is bad.

Wait a minute. You just said that good, evil, love, and hate are completely subjective, and that humans make up these classifications. You even gave the USA vs. Iran example to prove it.If good and evil are purely subjective, then why have you been arguing this whole time that religion is objectively 'useless' and science is objectively 'good'? By your own logic, your hatred of religion is just your personal subjective opinion, and someone else’s love for religion is equally valid!You can't scream that religion is evil and useless for pages, and then turn around and say 'evil is subjective, there is no generality in it.' You literally just dismantled your own argument. If nothing is objectively bad, then religion isn't bad either. You are defeating yourself just to defend Otem.

You said there is nowhere in your book that says God Almighty is loving, good, humane, or cares about anyone or anything. So your God Almighty is just a giant, unfeeling cosmic machine that creates evil gods (like Jehovah/Allah) to terrorize humans, doesn't care that humans suffer, and leaves us to figure it out.If your God Almighty doesn’t care about anyone, why are you 'obsessed' with it? Why worship or admire a creator that treats humanity like garbage or irrelevant ants? You mock religious people for having faith, but at least their faith gives them hope, purpose, and a God who cares. Your Nairaland philosophy leaves you with a cold universe, an indifferent God, and a fictional book that can't even stand up to basic logical questioning. Who is really in the 'mind cage' here?

geoworldedu:
I'm a homo sapiens, Jehovah didn't create me.

..so how did you come to the world..who created you

safarifarms:
Wait a minute. You just said that good, evil, love, and hate are completely subjective, and that humans make up these classifications. You even gave the USA vs. Iran example to prove it.If good and evil are purely subjective, then why have you been arguing this whole time that religion is objectively 'useless' and science is objectively 'good'?[/b]
A very valid point. That is exactly what the existence is about. We are to philosophise them as humans. I give you my points, you give me yours. Pivadesh was written by a human, who have seen the benefits of science over religion 100 times and judging from facts, he picked his side. It's a free world, you can pick yours too.

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By your own logic, your hatred of religion is just your personal subjective opinion, and someone else’s love for religion is equally valid!You can't scream that religion is evil and useless for pages, and then turn around and say 'evil is subjective, there is no generality in it.' You literally just dismantled your own argument. If nothing is objectively bad, then religion isn't bad either. You are defeating yourself just to defend Otem.

I am doing what religion has been doing to us for over 2 millennia right now. Religion has been propagating their worldviews to us and I'm doing same right now that I got something great to back me up. And you coming to argue with me is part of the plan. It makes it more interesting. These are the kind of arguments they were having right far back in the days of early philosophers.i am propagating what I believe and it's a free world. What I believe right now is to create awareness about the evil of religion until religion will be dumped by many. That's how it is always done.

[quote author= ]You said there is nowhere in your book that says God Almighty is loving, good, humane, or cares about anyone or anything. So your God Almighty is just a giant, unfeeling cosmic machine that creates evil gods (like Jehovah/Allah) to terrorize humans, doesn't care that humans suffer, and leaves us to figure it out.If your God Almighty doesn’t care about anyone, why are you 'obsessed' with it? Why worship or admire a creator that treats humanity like garbage or irrelevant ants?

God Almighty is not what to be worshipped and I don't worship any god. I don't worship any creator. Or have you seen me worshipping or rendering worship song to God Almighty which created Jehovah and Allah?

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You mock religious people for having faith, but at least their faith gives them hope, purpose, and a God who cares. Your Nairaland philosophy leaves you with a cold universe, an indifferent God, and a fictional book that can't even stand up to basic logical questioning. Who is really in the 'mind cage' here?

You can see that people are seeing the reality for what it is right now. They can see that if you have cancer, you will just die of it without any Almighty saving you except until science gets cure for it. If your newborn baby is involved in an accident, it could die, etc. That's the fact. Not believing in a fake narrative of a God Almighty that will protect you from dying.

After it all, the body is what does, the soul takes up new forms in other places and reincarnations are also possible. These facts are the things Otem, freethinkers and many humanists are propagating and the emotions expressed by religionists can't stop us. It's the AGE OF AQUARIUS

ufotunang:
..so how did you come to the world..who created you

I am part of God Almighty. God Almighty is the Totality of Existence. I've always been with God Almighty. It's the period of time my soul decided to come to the earth that is different. When I die here on earth I can be reincarnated again.

[quote author=geoworldedu post=139715597][/quote]I appreciate your honesty here. Admitting that Pivadesh was just written by a human who 'picked his side' completely changes things. You've gone from presenting Otem’s books as absolute historical facts to admitting they are just human opinions and propaganda. That is a massive shift, and I respect you for owning it.

But look at the irony of your new position:

1. You Have Closed Yourself in a New Cage
You said you want to fight the 'evil of religion' because it propagates worldviews and controls minds. Yet, in the same breath, you admitted: 'I am doing what religion has been doing to us... propagating my worldview.' By your own confession, you haven’t escaped religious mind control—you’ve just started your own mini-religion with Otem as your prophet and Nairaland as your church.

You are using the exact same tactics you claim to hate.

2. Science and Faith Are Not Enemies
You keep bringing up cancer and accidents to prove God doesn't save people. But mainstream believers don't rely on magic; they use science too! Millions of religious doctors, surgeons, and scientists pray to God for wisdom and then use their hands to cure cancer. Christians and Muslims go to hospitals, not just shrines. Believing in a Creator doesn't mean rejecting medical science—it means thanking the Creator for giving humans the intelligence to invent medicine in the first place.

3. You Are Trading Faith for Fantasy
You reject a protective God as a 'fake narrative,' but then you instantly claim that after death, 'the soul takes up new forms... and reincarnations are possible.' Where is the scientific peer-reviewed evidence for reincarnation? There is none. You are mocking religious people for believing in Heaven while you blindly believe in soul-travel and the 'Age of Aquarius.' You didn't trade faith for science; you just traded traditional faith for New Age fantasy.

It definitely is a free world, and you are free to propagate your views! But let's be clear: you aren't fighting for pure science or logic. You are just fighting for Otem's version of faith. It was a great argument, my brother. May the true Creator guide us both."

geoworldedu:
I am part of God Almighty. God Almighty is the Totality of Existence. I've always been with God Almighty. It's the period of time my soul decided to come to the earth that is different. When I die here on earth I can be reincarnated again.

.. which God almighty...is it the one that sent his son Jesus Christ to the earth to save humanity for their sins....or which one?

AntiChristian:
Football encourages betting/gambling, men exposing parts of their body they shouldn't expose, it promotes free mixing of opposite sexes, it wastes time, it encourages superstitions, can be used to promote alcohol, betting or other ideology.

I thought you guys said your religion dictates that you tolerate the beliefs of others
See how you're denigrating a sports that others believe in out of hate

And same you will want everyone to accept that the bandits and terrorists your religion breeds so not represent your religion yet you're blaming football did betting, alcohol etc

Folks like me already know all your claim about no compulsion in religion is simply taqqiya

jesusjnr2020:
What readily comes to mind whenever I heard such things, is the preaching I first heard about many years ago, that the television set was evil and of the devil, which was being preached by some pastors in the 80s, to the point some of their church members were destroying their TV sets and even throwing them into the river.

Only to realize decades later that it was a lost opportunity, as the same television could be used to preach the Gospel to many souls and draw them to Jesus, that the same preachers themselves began to admit the error in such teachings/doctrines and to correct them, and even began to use the same TV set they once condemned to be evil and of the devil to preach the Gospel.

Which is also good, because it better late than never to realize one's erroneous teachings that is misleading many, and to correct them.

However imagine by then, how many lost souls that would have had the opportunity to hear the Gospel via such preachers through the TV set, but had been deprived of that opportunity because of such ignorant teaching and doctrinal error.

That's why it's very important not to allow our messages and teachings to be led by personal sentiments or emotions, but by the Spirit and Word of God, because the difference could be measured in the eternal life and death of souls.

The truth is just as the TV sets, football is not necessarily evil and of the devil, but a tool or medium that can be used either for evil and to the glory of the devil, or for good and to the glory of God.

Therefore just as it is with money, music, movies, electronic media, internet or social media, it is up to us humans to determine how such tools are used, either for good or for evil, to glorify God or the devil.

No doubt the world systems and industries are mostly controlled by the devil and his agents.

However as we've seen in the movie, music and sport industries, including the footballing sector, it is possible for individuals or players involved to take a stand against any evil or devilish agenda being imposed on them by the authorities or any powers that be, just as those footballers and team captains in the premier league who refused to be used by the organization to promote the LGBTQ+ campaign, that made them to have no choice but to put a halt to it.

Likewise the football players who are using football as a platform, to showcase their faith in Jesus and to preach His Gospel, which is said to have inspired many of the younger generation to draw closer to Christ.

So just imagine that they decided to hands off football thinking it was evil and of the devil, what might have been to all those souls.

God bless.

I guess you'll drink the Christian energy drink everyday too.

LordReed:
I guess you'll drink the Christian energy drink everyday too.

safarifarms:
You say you are obsessed with the 'God Almighty' who created everything. But by your own logic, if your 'God Almighty' is all-powerful, why did He allow His own creation (Jehovah) to trick humanity into 282,000 years of 'mind slavery' without stepping in? Why did your God Almighty wait until an internet forum user named Otem came along to put Jehovah in a cardboard cage?If a supreme God Almighty exists, He doesn't need humans to fight His spiritual battles or draw cartoons of caged entities on Nairaland. By treating Jehovah like a literal, physical prisoner that can be defeated by human books, you are reducing the spiritual realm to a comic book storyline. You claim to be free from religious cages, but you've just traded ancient scriptures for modern forum mythology.

God Almighty is the totality of existence. I have told you earlier, the Totality of Existence doesn't interfere in things that are done by one microscopic part of itself or the other. That's what makes existence fun and not boring. 2000 years is infinitesimal compared with forever. All the gra gra of Jehovah in the past world was gone and it was as if it never happened. Even we in Africa here didn't know it until we started seeing stories brought to us. That's how life is.

geoworldedu:
God Almighty is the totality of existence. I have told you earlier, the Totality of Existence doesn't interfere in things that are done by one microscopic part of itself or the other. That's what makes existence fun and not boring. 2000 years is infinitesimal compared with forever. All the gra gra of Jehovah in the past world was gone and it was as if it never happened. Even we in Africa here didn't know it until we started seeing stories brought to us. That's how life is.

"Ah, now you are speaking plainly! Let's look at what your philosophy actually means at the end of the day:

1. The 'Just for Fun' Cruelty
You just said the Totality of Existence doesn't interfere because leaving things alone is what 'makes existence fun and not boring.' Think about what you are actually saying. You are saying that 282,000 years of human slavery, wars, racism, colonialism, and babies dying of cancer is just a 'fun, non-boring' game to your God Almighty. If a human being watches people suffer for fun without helping, we call them a psychopath. But you are praising your God Almighty for doing the exact same thing. That is a very dark and hopeless way to view the universe.

2. The Irony of Africa's 'Stories'
You said Africa didn't know about Jehovah until people brought us stories. That is historically true! Foreigners brought us their books and stories, and many Africans blindly followed them without questioning.But look at what you are doing right now. You are doing the exact same thing! You are reading 'stories' written by a man named Otem on an internet forum, and you are swallowing his fabricated stories about 'Jehovah the prisoner' and 'the Book of Universal History' hook, line, and sinker. You mock our ancestors for accepting foreign stories, but you are accepting internet forum stories without a single piece of scientific or historical proof. You just swapped an old book of stories for a new thread of stories.

3. If 2000 Years is Nothing, Why Do You Care?
You said 2000 years of religion is 'infinitesimal' and 'as if it never happened' in the grand scale of forever. If religion is so small, meaningless, and insignificant to the universe, why are you spending your precious time on earth fighting it so obsessively on Nairaland? Why are you trying to 'create awareness' against something that you admit is just a microscopic, meaningless blink of an eye?

The truth is, your philosophy has no real answer for human suffering, no real answer for history, and no scientific backing. You just like the story Otem told you because it makes you feel like an early philosopher. But true philosophy requires consistency, and your argument changes every time I challenge it.

It's been an amazing debate, my brother. I'll leave you to enjoy your 'infinitesimal' time on earth. Let's keep making life sweet!"

Jesus Christ had reasons for rejecting the Greeks when they came to see him. for they're are the king's of sports. Infact, World cup is a pagans festival.

Kukutente23:
I thought you guys said your religion dictates that you tolerate the beliefs of others
See how you're denigrating a sports that others believe in out of hate

And same you will want everyone to accept that the bandits and terrorists your religion breeds so not represent your religion yet you're blaming football did betting, alcohol etc

Folks like me already know all your claim about no compulsion in religion is simply taqqiya

When you read, jettison your bias! I only listed what football encourages! And i didn't even mention anything religious! You guys should learn to grow up! Does this really need an attack?

AntiChristian:
When you read, jettison your bias! I only listed what football encourages! And i didn't even mention anything religious! You guys should learn to grow up! Does this really need an attack?

Football also encourages unity, tolerance and learning to win or lose in a gracious manner. Football has supported worthy causes such as girl child education, kick out malaria, ending wars etc How come you didn't see all those?
Islam is believed to encourage child marriage, domestic violence, terrorism, mob justice, slavery etc when will you list those as one of the things Islam encourages in any of your Friday sermons?
Why attack an human endeavour simply because you have no interest in it