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THE PATIENT DOES NOT CARE WHO GETS THE CREDIT

One of the biggest threats to quality healthcare is not a lack of knowledge, technology, or infrastructure. It is the culture of competition where collaboration is needed.

Healthcare was never designed to be a battlefield of professional superiority. It was designed to be a system where different professionals bring their unique expertise together for one purpose: better patient outcomes.

A doctor diagnoses and develops a treatment plan.

A pharmacist ensures medicines are safe, effective, and used appropriately.

A nurse provides continuous patient care and monitoring.

A medical laboratory scientist generates critical diagnostic information.

A physiotherapist restores function and mobility.

A radiographer provides imaging that guides clinical decisions.

Each profession contributes a piece of the puzzle. None can deliver optimal healthcare alone.

Unfortunately, professional rivalries continue to consume energy that should be directed toward solving healthcare challenges. Time that should be spent improving patient care is sometimes wasted on territorial disputes, unnecessary conflicts, and debates over professional dominance.

The patient admitted with stroke, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, or severe infection is not interested in which profession wins an argument. The patient wants competent care, timely treatment, and the best possible outcome.

Modern healthcare is becoming increasingly complex. No single profession possesses all the knowledge, skills, or perspectives required to address every health challenge. The future belongs to multidisciplinary teams that communicate effectively, respect one another's expertise, and work toward shared goals.

The strongest health systems in the world are not built on professional competition. They are built on professional collaboration.

Respect does not diminish when it is shared. Leadership does not require the exclusion of others.

Professional excellence is not measured by how many battles are won against colleagues. It is measured by how many lives are improved through teamwork.

When healthcare professionals collaborate, patients win.

When healthcare professionals compete unnecessarily, patients pay the price.

The ultimate goal has never been professional supremacy.

The ultimate goal is better healthcare for everyone.

Very true ! Especially when it comes to treatment that defies basic logic like IVF ( triplets or more), Cancer etc…. You will see them phasing religious praises instead of channeling their appreciation to the appropriate quarters. Even pastors sef go use an Dey chop

Me I give my own credit to God.

You are right BUT,
Mr Pharmacist,the Medical Doctor is still the de facto leader of that team.Its a natural law that in a working team,there must be the lead.Even the brain coordinates the function of other part of the body despite the fact that each organ is practically important.The presidency is still the head of government not matter how powerful the other arms are.

The doctor owns the patients and he is responsible if any of the plan he formulated goes wrong.

He doesnt only think of just drugs like pharmacists...Nor think of just tests like MLS ...Nor think of just patient monitoring and care like the Nurses...Nor just restoring function like the physiotherapist...He thinks about that patient as a whole!

MEDICINE IS NOT JUST DRUGS(PHARMACISTS),JUST MONITORING(NURSES),REHABILITATION(PHYSIOTHERAPY),TESTS(LAB SCIENTISTS).SOMEONE ASSIGNS ROLES AND COORDINATE ALL THIS ACTIVITIES,THAT PERSON IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR!

We shouldnt be misleading the public!

I thank God for giving health practitioners the brain on performing whatever


Cause health is wealth
You won't know this
Unti you're mandated to be injected everyday

There was NEVER supposed to be a competition between professions at first.
Competition only rises when:
- One feels underated
- One feels like their role is becoming challenged

Either of the two, an inferiority complex, is the problem.

These days we have nurses pretending be the doctors.
Some are even carrying out delivery, putting patients life at risk.

Kingray10:
These days we have nurses pretending be the doctors.
Some are even carrying out delivery, putting patients life at risk.

Not only Nurses,even pharmacists down to hospital health assistants!

The fact that you have an idea of what someone does doent make you that person.
You only have an idea,you dont KNOW it.

They all have ideas what doctors do but They dont know it.

KennethOkonkwo:
Not only Nurses,even pharmacists down to hospital health assistants!

same BROMLEY they all under, A LICENSE to ONE of these is A LICENSE to ALL, LICENSE to KPAI is very easy to access in 9ja

No pray sick for the country ooo small test when no go still day accurate go cost about 30k, with their judgemental looks

Unfortunately Mr Pharmacist, in order to undermine the contribution of doctors to patient care, you have chosen to mis-inform the public. At every point in a patient's journey, the work of you Paramedics are still verified and reported by a DOCTOR. So the Doctor's role does not end with merely making diagnoses and developing a treatment plan.

The patient's journey through the various paramedics specialities is vetted by a DOCTOR. The lab test is reported by a Laboratory physician and used (or discarded if considered not useful) by the managing Doctor

The Clinical pharmacologist (A DOCTOR) ensures the decisions of the Pharmacist has clinical relevance

While the nurse is providing care, the Doctor does ward round every day to monitor and guide the work of the nurses. Nurses work as per Doctor's instructions.

A medical laboratory scientist does not generate critical diagnostic information in isolation. His tests are reported, validated and interpreted clinically by a Laboratory Physician

You Mischievously refused to disclose that a Radiographer's images are verified, validated and reported by a Doctor RADIOLOGIST

The paramedic specialities you listed do NOT make final decisions on patient care. The Doctor's input is made at each of these stations of care. Even for physiotherapy, it is the DOCTOR who determines who gets physiotherapy and who is NOT fit for physiotherapy.

Your post appears informative on the surface, but it is filled half truths and under-representation of facts.

Your post is the result of the inter-professional rivalry (and pharmaco-inferiority complex) that you claim you want to discourage.

Dpharmacist:
THE PATIENT DOES NOT CARE WHO GETS THE CREDIT

One of the biggest threats to quality healthcare is not a lack of knowledge, technology, or infrastructure. It is the culture of competition where collaboration is needed.

Healthcare was never designed to be a battlefield of professional superiority. It was designed to be a system where different professionals bring their unique expertise together for one purpose: better patient outcomes.

A doctor diagnoses and develops a treatment plan.

A pharmacist ensures medicines are safe, effective, and used appropriately.

A nurse provides continuous patient care and monitoring.

A medical laboratory scientist generates critical diagnostic information.

A physiotherapist restores function and mobility.

A radiographer provides imaging that guides clinical decisions.

Each profession contributes a piece of the puzzle. None can deliver optimal healthcare alone.

Unfortunately, professional rivalries continue to consume energy that should be directed toward solving healthcare challenges. Time that should be spent improving patient care is sometimes wasted on territorial disputes, unnecessary conflicts, and debates over professional dominance.

The patient admitted with stroke, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, or severe infection is not interested in which profession wins an argument. The patient wants competent care, timely treatment, and the best possible outcome.

Modern healthcare is becoming increasingly complex. No single profession possesses all the knowledge, skills, or perspectives required to address every health challenge. The future belongs to multidisciplinary teams that communicate effectively, respect one another's expertise, and work toward shared goals.

The strongest health systems in the world are not built on professional competition. They are built on professional collaboration.

Respect does not diminish when it is shared. Leadership does not require the exclusion of others.

Professional excellence is not measured by how many battles are won against colleagues. It is measured by how many lives are improved through teamwork.

When healthcare professionals collaborate, patients win.

When healthcare professionals compete unnecessarily, patients pay the price.

The ultimate goal has never been professional supremacy.

The ultimate goal is better healthcare for everyone.

I remember a doctor and a pharmacist arguing over a particular drug that was recommended by the doctor. The patient had diabetes and high blood pressure. They focused on the blood pressure and almost completely ignored the blood sugar. It was so sad.

DeltaBachelor:
Very true ! Especially when it comes to treatment that defies basic logic like IVF ( triplets or more), Cancer etc…. You will see them phasing religious praises instead of channeling their appreciation to the appropriate quarters. Even pastors sef go use an Dey chop

Lack of comprehension is a disease.

Posts like this appear well intended....but unfortunately they deceive the populace.

The OP should focus on his profession and stop offering misleading health information on Nairaland.

The Depth, precision and accuracy and robustness of knowledge required for discussion about Diseases is frequently beyond the training of the Pharmacists and other Paramedic professionals.

They should not come to a prestigious forum like Nairaland to mis inform people

Dpharmacist:
THE PATIENT DOES NOT CARE WHO GETS THE CREDIT

One of the biggest threats to quality healthcare is not a lack of knowledge, technology, or infrastructure. It is the culture of competition where collaboration is needed.

Healthcare was never designed to be a battlefield of professional superiority. It was designed to be a system where different professionals bring their unique expertise together for one purpose: better patient outcomes.

A doctor diagnoses and develops a treatment plan.

A pharmacist ensures medicines are safe, effective, and used appropriately.

A nurse provides continuous patient care and monitoring.

A medical laboratory scientist generates critical diagnostic information.

A physiotherapist restores function and mobility.

A radiographer provides imaging that guides clinical decisions.

Each profession contributes a piece of the puzzle. None can deliver optimal healthcare alone.

Unfortunately, professional rivalries continue to consume energy that should be directed toward solving healthcare challenges. Time that should be spent improving patient care is sometimes wasted on territorial disputes, unnecessary conflicts, and debates over professional dominance.

The patient admitted with stroke, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, or severe infection is not interested in which profession wins an argument. The patient wants competent care, timely treatment, and the best possible outcome.

Modern healthcare is becoming increasingly complex. No single profession possesses all the knowledge, skills, or perspectives required to address every health challenge. The future belongs to multidisciplinary teams that communicate effectively, respect one another's expertise, and work toward shared goals.

The strongest health systems in the world are not built on professional competition. They are built on professional collaboration.

Respect does not diminish when it is shared. Leadership does not require the exclusion of others.

Professional excellence is not measured by how many battles are won against colleagues. It is measured by how many lives are improved through teamwork.

When healthcare professionals collaborate, patients win.

When healthcare professionals compete unnecessarily, patients pay the price.

The ultimate goal has never been professional supremacy.

The ultimate goal is better healthcare for everyone.

True.. very true indeed. But everybody in Nigeria wants to cross to the other

Actually, they give the accolades to their pastors or spiritual leaders. because they have been brainwashed.

Ode.
While I appreciate the emphasis on the complexity of disease-related discussions, this perspective underestimates the rigorous training and clinical expertise of pharmacists and other paramedical professionals.

Pharmacists possess in-depth knowledge of pharmacodynamics, drug interactions, and therapeutic management—often serving as the primary experts when multiple medications are involved. Paramedics, meanwhile, routinely make critical, time-sensitive decisions in high-stakes environments based on pathophysiology, diagnostics, and emergency protocols.

Dismissing their capabilities overlooks the specialized, evidence-based contributions these professionals make daily to patient care. Robust interdisciplinary dialogue benefits from recognizing, rather than diminishing, their trained competencies.

AceNY:
Posts like this appear well intended....but unfortunately they deceive the populace.

The OP should focus on his profession and stop offering misleading health information on Nairaland.

The Depth, precision and accuracy and robustness of knowledge required for discussion about Diseases is frequently beyond the training of the Pharmacists and other Paramedic professionals.

They should not come to a prestigious forum like Nairaland to mis inform people

babayega:
I remember a doctor and a pharmacist arguing over a particular drug that was recommended by the doctor. The patient had diabetes and high blood pressure. They focused on the blood pressure and almost completely ignored the blood sugar. It was so sad.

You as a patient didnt understand what was going on.

They can never argue,its only look like arguement to you.
Pharmacist can only advice,the doctors still jas the final say.He owns the patient

Dpharmacist:
THE PATIENT DOES NOT CARE WHO GETS THE CREDIT

One of the biggest threats to quality healthcare is not a lack of knowledge, technology, or infrastructure. It is the culture of competition where collaboration is needed.

Healthcare was never designed to be a battlefield of professional superiority. It was designed to be a system where different professionals bring their unique expertise together for one purpose: better patient outcomes.

A doctor diagnoses and develops a treatment plan.

A pharmacist ensures medicines are safe, effective, and used appropriately.

A nurse provides continuous patient care and monitoring.

A medical laboratory scientist generates critical diagnostic information.

A physiotherapist restores function and mobility.

A radiographer provides imaging that guides clinical decisions.

Each profession contributes a piece of the puzzle. None can deliver optimal healthcare alone.

Unfortunately, professional rivalries continue to consume energy that should be directed toward solving healthcare challenges. Time that should be spent improving patient care is sometimes wasted on territorial disputes, unnecessary conflicts, and debates over professional dominance.

The patient admitted with stroke, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, or severe infection is not interested in which profession wins an argument. The patient wants competent care, timely treatment, and the best possible outcome.

Modern healthcare is becoming increasingly complex. No single profession possesses all the knowledge, skills, or perspectives required to address every health challenge. The future belongs to multidisciplinary teams that communicate effectively, respect one another's expertise, and work toward shared goals.

The strongest health systems in the world are not built on professional competition. They are built on professional collaboration.

Respect does not diminish when it is shared. Leadership does not require the exclusion of others.

Professional excellence is not measured by how many battles are won against colleagues. It is measured by how many lives are improved through teamwork.

When healthcare professionals collaborate, patients win.

When healthcare professionals compete unnecessarily, patients pay the price.

The ultimate goal has never been professional supremacy.

The ultimate goal is better healthcare for everyone.

You left out medical records Pharmacist, Physiotherapists are Doctors too. You should be specific by using physician or medical doctor.

KennethOkonkwo:
You as a patient didnt understand what was going on.

They can never argue,its only look like arguement to you.
Pharmacist can only advice,the doctors still jas the final say.He owns the patient

Ignorance is not bliss. The Pharmacist actually has the final say because you have no clue on what you are taking or giving. Only the Pharmacist does.

That is why error from the Pharmacist can kill thousands and will take very cumbersome and long process to remedy.

Some do.

Some credit it to their god

Kingray10:
These days we have nurses pretending be the doctors.
Some are even carrying out delivery, putting patients life at risk.

Nurse can carry out delivery na, no be advance nurse be Midwifery.
Clinical Pharmacist can also do some treatment.
Make una calm down with unnecessary competition. If all health treatment needs a Dr, there won't be drugs with prescription only sign, there won't be over the counter, and there won't be is symptoms persist after xyz days, consult your Dr

[quote author=KennethOkonkwo post=139755508]You are right BUT,
Mr Pharmacist,the Medical Doctor is still the de facto leader of that team.Its a natural law that in a working team,there must be the lead.Even the brain coordinates the function of other part of the body despite the fact that each organ is practically important.The presidency is still the head of government not matter how powerful the other arms are.

The doctor owns the patients and he is responsible if any of the plan he formulated goes wrong.

He doesnt only think of just drugs like pharmacists...Nor think of just tests like MLS ...Nor think of just patient monitoring and care like the Nurses...Nor just restoring function like the physiotherapist...He thinks about that patient as a whole!



WHO made him the leader?....when he needs an ultrasound scan to even proceed to diagnose.
He is practically helpless without the lab scientists' results.

Abeg, these are the era of precision medicine and all those INTELLIGENCE DIAGNOSES will leave you gasping for air, as they are completely obsolete unless na only malaria and typhoid you dey treat🤣😜

Bottomline, they are all OGAS in their own rights and should be treated as MULTIDISCIPLINARY AND NOT AS ONE OGA AT THE TOP!!!....If not, let's see you as a doctor do it all alone!!!🤣😜

AceNY:
Posts like this appear well intended....but unfortunately they deceive the populace.

The OP should focus on his profession and stop offering misleading health information on Nairaland.

The Depth, precision and accuracy and robustness of knowledge required for discussion about Diseases is frequently beyond the training of the Pharmacists and other Paramedic professionals.

They should not come to a prestigious forum like Nairaland to mis inform people

If you like share your biased opinion 50 times. The reality is what it is.

[quote author=zoomzoom post=139756792][/quote]Mr Doctor owns the patient can you see how arrogant you sound. Is it slavery that a doctor will own another human being. Very myopic and backward assertions that's why Nigeria will never go far.

AceNY:
Unfortunately Mr Pharmacist, in order to undermine the contribution of doctors to patient care, you have chosen to mis-inform the public. At every point in a patient's journey, the work of you Paramedics are still verified and reported by a DOCTOR. So the Doctor's role does not end with merely making diagnoses and developing a treatment plan.

The patient's journey through the various paramedics specialities is vetted by a DOCTOR. The lab test is reported by a Laboratory physician and used (or discarded if considered not useful) by the managing Doctor

The Clinical pharmacologist (A DOCTOR) ensures the decisions of the Pharmacist has clinical relevance

While the nurse is providing care, the Doctor does ward round every day to monitor and guide the work of the nurses. Nurses work as per Doctor's instructions.

A medical laboratory scientist does not generate critical diagnostic information in isolation. His tests are reported, validated and interpreted clinically by a Laboratory Physician

You Mischievously refused to disclose that a Radiographer's images are verified, validated and reported by a Doctor RADIOLOGIST

The paramedic specialities you listed do NOT make final decisions on patient care. The Doctor's input is made at each of these stations of care. Even for physiotherapy, it is the DOCTOR who determines who gets physiotherapy and who is NOT fit for physiotherapy.

Your post appears informative on the surface, but it is filled half truths and under-representation of facts.

Your post is the result of the inter-professional rivalry (and pharmaco-inferiority complex) that you claim you want to discourage.

Call allied heath professionals 'paramedics' shows how arrogant, condescending and lack of readiness to listen.

Say whatever you want to say, this is wjy Nigeria will never be better.

You can't say a doctor is the head of a pharmacist, a doctor might prescribed a drug for a particular illness bcuz he knows only what the drug work for..but a pharmacist knows how the drug was formulated, the content of the drugs, and can do well in recommending alternate effective option than a doctor..
A pharmacist can produce drugs because he knows the content of the drug, a doctor job is mostly administrative, injecting,..
So putting one ahead of the other to me is not relatable bcuz the job of the two are different and they are all professional in their lane.

KennethOkonkwo:
You are right BUT,
Mr Pharmacist,the Medical Doctor is still the de facto leader of that team.Its a natural law that in a working team,there must be the lead.Even the brain coordinates the function of other part of the body despite the fact that each organ is practically important.The presidency is still the head of government not matter how powerful the other arms are.

The doctor owns the patients and he is responsible if any of the plan he formulated goes wrong.

He doesnt only think of just drugs like pharmacists...Nor think of just tests like MLS ...Nor think of just patient monitoring and care like the Nurses...Nor just restoring function like the physiotherapist...He thinks about that patient as a whole!

FreeStuffsNG:
You left out medical records Pharmacist, Physiotherapists are Doctors too. You should be specific by using physician or medical doctor.


Ignorance is not bliss. The Pharmacist actually has the final say because you have no clue on what you are taking or giving. Only the Pharmacist does.

That is why error from the Pharmacist can kill thousands and will take very cumbersome and long process to remedy.

You are the Ignorant one here!

Emmy000seun:
You can't say a doctor is the head of a pharmacist, a doctor might prescribed a drug for a particular illness bcuz he knows only what the drug work for..but a pharmacist knows how the drug was formulated, the content of the drugs, and can do well in recommending alternate effective option than a doctor..
A pharmacist can produce drugs because he knows the content of the drug, a doctor job is mostly administrative, injecting,..
So putting one ahead of the other to me is not relatable bcuz the job of the two are different and they are all professional in their lane.

You are wrong.
Visit an hospital and understudy how it works

Emmy000seun:
You can't say a doctor is the head of a pharmacist, a doctor might prescribed a drug for a particular illness bcuz he knows only what the drug work for..but a pharmacist knows how the drug was formulated, the content of the drugs, and can do well in recommending alternate effective option than a doctor..
A pharmacist can produce drugs because he knows the content of the drug, a doctor job is mostly administrative, injecting,..
So putting one ahead of the other to me is not relatable bcuz the job of the two are different and they are all professional in their lane.

Head

Doctors is the de facto leader of the health team wether you like it or not.This is the by virtue of the responsibility and training.
He formulates the management plan he may decide to involve pharmacist or not depending on the patients need

Dpharmacist:
Mr Doctor owns the patient can you see how arrogant you sound. Is it slavery that a doctor will own another human being. Very myopic and backward assertions that's why Nigeria will never go far.

If you dont understant what "own" means in that context,then I cant help with your inferiority complex

Emmy000seun:
You can't say a doctor is the head of a pharmacist, a doctor might prescribed a drug for a particular illness bcuz he knows only what the drug work for..but a pharmacist knows how the drug was formulated, the content of the drugs, and can do well in recommending alternate effective option than a doctor..
A pharmacist can produce drugs because he knows the content of the drug, a doctor job is mostly administrative, injecting,..
So putting one ahead of the other to me is not relatable bcuz the job of the two are different and they are all professional in their lane.

He can only recommend an alternative option which doctors too mostly know by the way but the final choice of what to use still lies in the doctors hand.For your information,Nurses Administer drugs not doctors.What doctors do is to prescribe,your job as pharmacist is to dispence and offer and an advisory role on drugs matter.
Mind you drug is just 20% of aspects of patient management