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Doctor is the head of the team , I did not leave my house to travel far to meet with pharmacy or nurse

All works under the Doctor diagnosis and prescriptions..

Do you know majority of people in the hospital today if they take note of their health or regularly do check-up, they could have take drugs and it will save them time and finance of been administer in d hospital..aside for emergency, if you realize what is wrong with you, and you meet a competent pharmacist, it will seems as if it's the drug that put the sickness there bcuz it will work exactly what it intended for, without burging you with lots of drugs at a dose..thanks to upgrade in every class of drugs..
What I'm saying is emergency aside, pharmacist is more of first hand,..I'm not disputing the doctors effort, but my point is compairism btwn or putting one ahead the other is not necessary.💯 The two profession are essential for mankind

KennethOkonkwo:
He can only recommend an alternative option which doctors too mostly know by the way but the final choice of what to use still lies in the doctors hand.For your information,Nurses Administer drugs not doctors.What doctors do is to prescribe,your job as pharmacist is to dispence and offer and an advisory role on drugs matter.
Mind you drug is just 20% of aspects of patient management

Emmy000seun:
Do you know majority of people in the hospital today if they take note of their health or regularly do check-up, they could have take drugs and it will save them time and finance of been administer in d hospital..aside for emergency, if you realize what is wrong with you, and you meet a competent pharmacist, it will seems as if it's the drug that put the sickness there bcuz it will work exactly what it intended for, without burging you with lots of drugs at a dose..thanks to upgrade in every class of drugs..
What I'm saying is emergency aside, pharmacist is more of first hand,..I'm not disputing the doctors effort, but my point is compairism btwn or putting one ahead the other is not necessary.💯 The two profession are essential for mankind

So,you are encouraging patient to self diagnose themselve and just come for you for drugs.
This what happened when health issues is viewed from drug perspective rather than holistically.
Health Issue is more complicated.
That practice alone has sent many to their early grave.

Not all health issue needs drugs!
Not all health issue needs tests
Not all health issues needs admission and nursing care.
Not all health issues need single contact but continuous monitoring and Documentation.

Dont let us mislead the public because of ego!

LETS TEACH PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY!

By the way are you a health practitioner to start with?? I doubt you are in health profession line ..

KennethOkonkwo:
Health Issue is more complicated.
That practice alone has sent many to their early grave.
Not all health issue needs drugs!
Not all health issue needs tests
Not all health issues needs admission and nursing care.
Not all health issues need single contact but continuous monitoring and Documentation.

Dont let us mislead the public because of ego!

LETS TEACH PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY!

KennethOkonkwo:
If you dont understant what "own" means in that context,then I cant help with your inferiority complex

Arrogance without substance.
Frustration is making you to condescend. You can feel alright until you bring other people down. Work on your self-esteem.

Dpharmacist:
Arrogance without substance.
Frustration is making you to condescend. You can feel alright until you bring other people down. Work on your self-esteem.

You are only projecting your own malady to others

Your submissions are Valid in the sense that you have outlined the various job describtions of health professionals, from the Doctor down to the the laboratory scinetists, but you must admit that there is a clear distinctions between the leading role the medical Doctor and paramedic.
Other subsidiary health professionals are called PARAMEDICS for a reason.

It's hard to admit as a paramedic, but the truth remains that you are called a paramedics for a reason, which conotes that you are a supportive medic to a Doctor.

We will only create more chaos and confusion in the field of medicine if we continue to try ot flip the glaring truth that Doctors are at the heim of medical decision-making especially when it concerns patient care and well-being.

Do not forget that Doctors are not ignorant of the knowledge of medical pharmacology. We were trianed to have an in-dept knowledge of Drugs...pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, Drug Drug interactions ecetera.

You will be doing yourself a great deservice if you think a Doctor doesn't understand the application and dynamics of the meds they prescribe.
No health professional understands the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry of humans , and by extension the pathologic of illnesses plaguing human kind than a Doctor. You don't play down on these obvious fact.

I am not in essenence trying to dismiss the vitality of the role of paramedics. In fact, A Doctor wouldn't function without the various contributions of other health professionals. Every unit is very important, and we should all work in harmony to ensure that pateints don't suffer at the end..

KennethOkonkwo:
You are right BUT,
Mr Pharmacist,the Medical Doctor is still the de facto leader of that team.Its a natural law that in a working team,there must be the lead.Even the brain coordinates the function of other part of the body despite the fact that each organ is practically important.The presidency is still the head of government not matter how powerful the other arms are.

The doctor owns the patients and he is responsible if any of the plan he formulated goes wrong.

He doesnt only think of just drugs like pharmacists...Nor think of just tests like MLS ...Nor think of just patient monitoring and care like the Nurses...Nor just restoring function like the physiotherapist...He thinks about that patient as a whole!

MEDICINE IS NOT JUST DRUGS(PHARMACISTS),JUST MONITORING(NURSES),REHABILITATION(PHYSIOTHERAPY),TESTS(LAB SCIENTISTS).SOMEONE ASSIGNS ROLES AND COORDINATE ALL THIS ACTIVITIES,THAT PERSON IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR!

We shouldnt be misleading the public!

Nobody 'owns' anybody in healthcare. The patient is not your slave and you cannot own the patient. The patient is in the center, while every healthcare professional surrounds him.

You are not practicing Dinosaur age medicine.

Some of your failed lecturers who couldn't manage their private practices and had to find refuge in lecturing, are responsible for these erraneous highfalutin thoughts of yourselves.

They are the set of people who are too lazy to back to school to acquire a PhD and now want to deceive the Nigerian National assembly to convert their vocational fellowship certifications (which is at best a professional diploma) to PhD by fiat. Laughable.

Tell your lecturers to go back to school and acquire a PhD if they want to lecture and become VCs in our Universities. Professional fellowship certificates are not equal to PhDs.

Stop trying to normalize abnormalities by taking advantage of the ignorance of Nigerians.

AceNY:
Unfortunately Mr Pharmacist, in order to undermine the contribution of doctors to patient care, you have chosen to mis-inform the public. At every point in a patient's journey, the work of you Paramedics are still verified and reported by a DOCTOR. So the Doctor's role does not end with merely making diagnoses and developing a treatment plan.

The patient's journey through the various paramedics specialities is vetted by a DOCTOR. The lab test is reported by a Laboratory physician and used (or discarded if considered not useful) by the managing Doctor

The Clinical pharmacologist (A DOCTOR) ensures the decisions of the Pharmacist has clinical relevance

While the nurse is providing care, the Doctor does ward round every day to monitor and guide the work of the nurses. Nurses work as per Doctor's instructions.

A medical laboratory scientist does not generate critical diagnostic information in isolation. His tests are reported, validated and interpreted clinically by a Laboratory Physician

You Mischievously refused to disclose that a Radiographer's images are verified, validated and reported by a Doctor RADIOLOGIST

The paramedic specialities you listed do NOT make final decisions on patient care. The Doctor's input is made at each of these stations of care. Even for physiotherapy, it is the DOCTOR who determines who gets physiotherapy and who is NOT fit for physiotherapy.

Your post appears informative on the surface, but it is filled half truths and under-representation of facts.

Your post is the result of the inter-professional rivalry (and pharmaco-inferiority complex) that you claim you want to discourage.

If you are well lettered and not a run-off-the-mill physician, you would know that those non-physician health professionals are not 'Paramedics'.

Paramedics are Emergency Medical Technicians (First Responders), I have pounded this knowledge into many of you, but the highfalutin brainwash you got from your lecturers who failed in private medical practice and had to find refuge in academia in order to eke out a living, would not let you learn proper facts.

Take my advice Pharmacist....stop discussing diseases on Nairaland and stop your one-sided misleading posts.

There is a Medical Doctor Specialty that gave birth to all those Allied Health Professions (AHPs) you mentioned in your earlier post. You carefully ignored this point, projecting Doctors as only there for making diagnoses and treatment plan. Get it right- Doctors are involved in diagnosis, in Lab work, in Clinical imaging and other aspects of the Investigative process.

Your over-looking this is what I aim to correct. The role of Doctors as the Lead Profession in Health sector is more all-encompassing than you reported.

Every sector has its Lead profession. For the Medical sector, the Physicians Lead. Accept it.

It is because the Physician's role is central and his training in the UNIVERSITY takes him through all your AHP specialties. All.

I was particularly shocked in your earlier post when you gave the credit of producing successful images to Radiographers only.... deceitfully being silent about Radiologists who superintend over the Radiology Departments in Hospitals and carry out ultrasound, report xrays, CT Scans, MRIs and contrast studies. Can Radiographers report MRIs in Nigeria and sign off such reports formally?

I say again stop misleading the public.

Dpharmacist:
Call allied heath professionals 'paramedics' shows how arrogant, condescending and lack of readiness to listen.

Say whatever you want to say, this is wjy Nigeria will never be better.

I deliberately used the term Paramedics for Allied Health Practioners for a reason. There are no Paramedics as you have abroad in the Nigerian context. My use of that term was deliberate. I do not lack the understanding of who Paramedics are in UK, US etc.

If your opinion of medical lecturers is so wrong, it is unfortunate. But go and carefully read through the Staff list of the medical schools and see if they are peopled by who "failed in private medical practice and had to find refuge in academia". I will let you be the judge. No hard feelings...I am only trying to correct the misinformation of your colleague Dpharmacist.

He should stop misinforming the public.

Dalohad:
If you are well lettered and not a run-off-mill physician, you would know that those non-physician health professionals are not 'Paramedics'.

Paramedics are Emergency Medical Technicians (First Responders), I have pounded this knowledge into many of you, but the highfalutin brainwash you got from your lecturers who failed in private medical practice and had to find refuge in academia, would not let you learn proper facts.

You call a 6 year Academic Fellowship, examined by 3 stages of Central Examinations and a Centrally defended Theses by Examinations (not cooked PhD defences topped by plates of rice and amala) and recognised world over a vocationalFellowship? Laughable bro. Go to the US.... A Medical degree and Fellowship gets you to Professorship without requiring a PhD. Be informed Bro. The Medical Fellowship is superior to any PhD!

Dalohad:
Nobody 'owns' anybody in healthcare. The patient is not your slave and you cannot own the patient. The patient is in the center, while every healthcare professional surrounds him.

You are not practicing Dinosaur age medicine.

Some of your failed lecturers who couldn't manage their private practices and had to find refuge in lecturing, are responsible for these erraneous highfalutin thoughts of yourselves.

They are the set of people who are too lazy to back to school to acquire a PhD and now want to deceive the Nigerian National assembly to convert their vocational fellowship certifications (which is at best a professional diploma) to PhD by fiat. Laughable.

Tell your lecturers to go back to school and acquire a PhD if they want to lecture and become VCs in our Universities. Professional fellowship certificates are not equal to PhDs.

Stop trying to normalize abnormalities by taking advantage of the ignorance of Nigerians.

Call them Allied Health Professionals (AHP) The Paramedic tag is misleading. They are mixing it up with the Paramedics cadre in advanced countries.

Call them AHP for clarity of this discussion....Your points are very valid otherwise 👏

Solidex:
Your submissions are Valid in the sense that you have outlined the various job describtions of health professionals, from the Doctor down to the the laboratory scinetists, but you must admit that there is a clear distinctions between the leading role the medical Doctor and paramedic.
Other subsidiary health professionals are called PARAMEDICS for a reason.

It's hard to admit as a paramedic, but the truth remains that you are called a paramedics for a reason, which conotes that you are a supportive medic to a Doctor.

We will only create more chaos and confusion in the field of medicine if we continue to try ot flip the glaring truth that Doctors are at the heim of medical decision-making especially when it concerns patient care and well-being.

Do not forget that Doctors are not ignorant of the knowledge of medical pharmacology. We were trianed to have an in-dept knowledge of Drugs...pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, Drug Drug interactions ecetera.

You will be doing yourself a great deservice if you think a Doctor doesn't understand the application and dynamics of the meds they prescribe.
No health professional understands the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry of humans , and by extension the pathologic of illnesses plaguing human kind than a Doctor. You don't play down on these obvious fact.

I am not in essenence trying to dismiss the vitality of the role of paramedics. In fact, A Doctor wouldn't function without the various contributions of other health professionals. Every unit is very important, and we should all work in harmony to ensure that pateints don't suffer at the end..

AceNY:
You call a 6 year Academic Fellowship, examined by 3 stages of Central Examinations and a Centrally defended Theses by Examinations (not cooked PhD defences topped by plates of rice and amala) and recognised world over a vocationalFellowship? Laughable bro. Go to the US.... A Medical degree and Fellowship gets you to Professorship without requiring a PhD. Be informed Bro. The Medical Fellowship is superior to any PhD!

Your fellowship is a vocational certificate and at best a part-time diploma. It is not in anyway at par with a PhD, and cannot substitute for it.

You get paid for work while doing the vocational training for fellowship, so you are not a full-time scholar.

Your fellowship diploma cannot get you a Faculty placement reserved for M.Sc and PhD holders.

I work in an International Open University with accreditation and offices in the US, UK and EU. The minimum qualification for an Adjunct Faculty is M.Sc. Your fellowship diploma cannot get you anywhere near that door.

Now let me educate you even more, in US colleges, every lecturer is called a Professor by American Students, even if you have just a Bachelor's degree or Master's degree. Being a Professor (lecturer) is job, not a bogus title.

However, there are Tenure-track Professors- the ones who have transited from the probationary tenure of Adjunct Prof to Assistant Professor to Full time permanent Professorship status, after 5-8 years.

In STEM, they have Labs named after them in the Faculty where they lead funded research works e.g Nwosu Lab or Kaparsky Lab. Ultimately they must have their PhDs and would mostly do Post-Docs. You can't compare you Fellowship diploma to what their M.Sc and PhD.

Go figure.

Let's educate them and educate the public correctly.
While the intention is not to discuss professional rivalries here, we must let the public understand the dynamics of work in a proper health sector clinical setting.
The Doctor Leads because every Team must have a Leader. Simple. The patient's Multidisciplinary care has the Doctor in his various sub-Specialties at the Centre of it.

When a patient on admission is not improving, do you call the MLS who carried out his lab test to come and review him? Or do you call the Pharmacist? In a patient's crisis period the nurses know they have a limit and hence call the Doctor as the next higher level of expertise. They dont call the Clinical Pharmacist.
When a delivery is difficult the Midwife calls the Obstetrician as the next higher point of expertise.
You know the Leader when you ask...."who takes charge when a patient is in crisis?" Who takes charge of resuscitation when a patient has a Cardiac arrest? Who tells others what to do and assigns roles to them? Is it the MLS or the Radiographer shooting xrays and MRI Scans?

Of all The healthcare workers who receive a patient into the Hospital, it is the Doctor who makes a diagnosis and decides whether the patient is admitted or goes home - not the Nurse, not the MLS, not the Pharmacist.

The patient's journey through the Hospital is supervised by the Doctor. The Doctor decides which Allied Health Service the patient needs or does NOT need. These Allied Health services are even superintended over by Doctors.

Every time the patient encounters an Allied Health Practitioner he takes the result back to his Doctor for use. Does the MLS or Radiographer follow a patient's track through the hospital? The Doctor on his Rounds tells Nurses what to do. Nurses work as per Doctor's instructions. (Every one knows that).
It's the Doctor who decides when patient leaves Hospital and draws a follow up plan for him- not the "Clinical Pharmacist".
The Doctor bears most of the responsibility for patient's clinical outcomes.
The healthcare space is multidisciplinary no doubt, but underplaying the roles of Doctors in the various subSpecialities is what Dpharmacist is trying to sell. He is misleading the lay public with incomplete information.

He should also stop his mediocre discussion of Diseases on Nairaland. He doesn't have a strong enough knowledge base to posture as a Clinician. His posts lack clinical depth and scientific rigour and cannot stand strong scientific inquiry. He is misleading the public.

KennethOkonkwo:
He can only recommend an alternative option which doctors too mostly know by the way but the final choice of what to use still lies in the doctors hand.For your information,Nurses Administer drugs not doctors.What doctors do is to prescribe,your job as pharmacist is to dispence and offer and an advisory role on drugs matter.
Mind you drug is just 20% of aspects of patient management

You are wrong and uninformed. Calling the Fellowship a vocational certificate is a demonstration of pure hatred for the medical Fellowship because the NUC refused to accept your FWACPHARM and FWACLab in Nigeria's University system. Getting paid while studying only makes you jealous of Doctors. It doesn't make Resident Doctors in Postgraduate training less of scholars than those doing PhDs. Some of your PhD students get paid too while studying. Does it make them part time scholars? Does it invalidate them? Again be educated: The medical Fellowship in Nigeria is a 6yr program (7yrs for some) which has 3 stages of centrally organised examinations and a Centrally coordinated Theses defence after Clinical and Lab research. You obviously dont know that a Research Theses is involved. What other academic content do you require? Indeed the Medical Fellowship holder is doubly qualified as an Academic and a Clinician. That is what you AHPs are jealous of and that is what fosters your hatred for Doctors.

Your grouse is because is anchored on the Ministry of Health refusing to set up Residency programmes in Pharmacy and Allied health professions in yhe Teaching Hospitals unlike the medical Residency. So what you cannot have, you disparage and condemn (though secretly in your heart of hearts you desire it😄)

For your information, some of the top decorated University and Research scholars in Nigeria are Professors who are Medical Fellowship holders and who hold no PHD. (Deal with it!) Go and check the TETFUND database of medical research funded for University scholars.

Also, We know the American system quite well. Carefully google Prof Gbenga Ogedegbe. One of the most awarded Black Tenure-Track Physician Professors. Look for a PhD in his bio and you wont find one. I rest my engagement with you here....for most of you Allied Health Professionals, your grouse is anchored on pure hatred for the Medical profession...yet the Medical profession is the Anchor profession which gave birth to and trained the forebears of your professions.

I wish you the best in your International Open University. If you ever need a knee replacement (I pray not ever) let's see how a PhD will solve that😃

ab

Dalohad:
Your fellowship is a vocational certificate and at best a part-time diploma. It is not in anyway at par with a PhD, and cannot substitute for it.

You get paid for work while doing the vocational training for fellowship, so you are not a full-time scholar.

Your fellowship diploma cannot get you a Faculty placement reserved for M.Sc and PhD holders.

I work in an International Open University with accreditation and offices in the US, UK and EU. The minimum qualification for an Adjunct Faculty is M.Sc. Your fellowship diploma cannot get you anywhere near that door.

Now let me educate you even more, in US colleges, every lecturer is called a Professor by American Students, even if you have just a Bachelor's degree or Master's degree. Being a Professor (lecturer) is job, not a bogus title.

However, there are Tenure-track Professors- the ones who have transited from the probationary tenure of Adjunct Prof to Assistant Professor to Full time permanent Professorship status, after 5-8 years.

In STEM, they have Labs named after them in the Faculty where they lead funded research works e.g Nwosu Lab or Kaparsky Lab. Ultimately they must have their PhDs and would mostly do Post-Docs. You can't compare you Fellowship diploma to what their M.Sc and PhD.

Go figure.

AceNY:
You are wrong and uninformed. Calling the Fellowship a vocational certificate is a demonstration of pure hatred for the medical Fellowship because the NUC refused to accept your FWACPHARM and FWACLab in Nigeria's University system. Getting paid while studying only makes you jealous of Doctors. It doesn't make Resident Doctors in Postgraduate training less of scholars than those doing PhDs. Some of your PhD students get paid too while studying. Does it make them part time scholars? Does it invalidate them? Again be educated: The medical Fellowship in Nigeria is a 6yr program (7yrs for some) which has 3 stages of centrally organised examinations and a Centrally coordinated Theses defence after Clinical and Lab research. You obviously dont know that a Research Theses is involved. What other academic content do you require? Indeed the Medical Fellowship holder is doubly qualified as an Academic and a Clinician. That is what you AHPs are jealous of and that is what fosters your hatred for Doctors.

Your grouse is because is anchored on the Ministry of Health refusing to set up Residency programmes in Pharmacy and Allied health professions in yhe Teaching Hospitals unlike the medical Residency. So what you cannot have, you disparage and condemn (though secretly in your heart of hearts you desire it😄)

For your information, some of the top decorated University and Research scholars in Nigeria are Professors who are Medical Fellowship holders and who hold no PHD. (Deal with it!) Go and check the TETFUND database of medical research funded for University scholars.

Also, We know the American system quite well. Carefully google Prof Gbenga Ogedegbe. One of the most awarded Black Tenure-Track Physician Professors. Look for a PhD in his bio and you wont find one. I rest my engagement with you here....for most of you Allied Health Professionals, your grouse is anchored on pure hatred for the Medical profession...yet the Medical profession is the Anchor profession which gave birth to and trained the forebears of your professions.

I wish you the best in your International Open University. If you ever need a knee replacement (I pray not ever) let's see how a PhD will solve that😃

ab

Every Health profession is allied to one another in some way. So technically you are also allied to Pharmacy, MLS and vice-versa. Technically, every health profession (including physicians) are AHPs.

Whenever you lots are cornered with facts about the non-viability of your vocational diploma fellowship certificate as an academic substitute for an M.Sc or PhD, you scream 'Oh.. everybody is jealous of us.'. Laughable.

Many Health professionals would not change their profession for anything else. Do you know how much it costs to set up an accreditable pharmacy or fully functional medical laboratory? Their professions have given them comfort and resources more than they ever asked for, so why should they be jealous?

Listen, there are global Open Universities where Nigerians are working with their M.Sc and PhD while earning top dollar without having to leave the comfort of their rooms.

Let's do a practical experiment, send your fellowship certificate as a substitute for PhD or M.Sc to WES for evaluation, let's see how that pans out?

Continue to allow your minister of Education Dr Tunji Alausa (who is a physician) deceive you. When is he done messing up the education system and the NUC because of interprofessional politics that he has continued to play since his days as former Minister of state of health and destroying every facet of education in his rabid selfish quest to intimidate the system in favour of his professional comrades, we will count the scores when the dust settles.

NUC law says you cannot be a Professor or Vice Chancellor if you do not have a PhD. That law still stands and will not tampered without the input of other professionals and representatives, before ratification in the National assembly..

He is one of the reasons I have continued to encourage many health professionals to get into politics like every other person, no matter how busy they are.

Other health professionals have allowed their heads to be shaved in their absence for too long, because Nigerians were blind for too long, and were deceived enough to allow one profession to continue to make policies for other health professionals. That situation is now being challenged and rightfully so.

Nigeria is not the only place where Healthcare is practiced. Every Health professional is an autonomous leader in his own profession. Doing Pharmacology and Laboratory practical for one semester or year does not give you the right to disregard those who spent 5 years studying Pharmacy or MLS, with some of them earning M.Sc and PhDs in their respective fields.

Wrong facts!
Prof Obafunwa
Prof Okesina
Prof Abel Onunu
Prof Dimie Ogoina
Prof Innocent Ujah
All are Nigerian Medical Doctor Vice Chancellors without PhD. Google it.

Hundreds of Nigerian Medical Fellowship holders are Professors in many Nigerian and African Universities today without PhD and many are still coming on.

Stop misrepresenting the NUC and stick to your Open University engagements. Everything you do in a PhD program and more are captured in the Medical Fellowship Training. Deal with it Brother. That's why Medical Fellowship holders enter Nigerian Universities as Lecturer 1 while your PhD earns lower Lecturer 2 entry point.

And by the way, many Medical Fellowship holders have now easily acquired your PhD as a (needless) add-on to show haters that their all-round competence is never in doubt. Many of them are currently doing the PhD just to help haters feel better and to show that they have nothing to fear in a PhD programme.

Once again, approach TETFUND - Nigeria's largest Research funder and see the number of Medical Fellowship holders (without your PhD) who are recurrent grant winners 🏆

Face the issue....the Medical Fellowship is a prestigious Academic and Professional qualification all over the world. That's why the Allied professionals (AHPs) of Nursing, MLs and Pharmacy imitated Doctors (as usual) by setting
up their colleges to award Fellowships (after weekend trainings in Hotel halls.)

*If it is a mere vocational certificate why did you AHPs rush to set up your own?*

I Pray for you as a friend that you never need the services of Consultant Doctors carrying these "Vocational certificates". Then you will know the Fellowship is more than a vocational certificate.

And by the way, ALL the AHP fields sprang out of Medicine. Read your history well. That is why there is a dominant Medical specialty coordinating every AHP field.

Medicine is not allied to any profession..... Medicine is the source and root of all your Allied Health Professions.

I will not join issues with you again after this. Have a blessed day my Friend.

Dalohad:
Every Health profession is allied to one another in some way. So technically you are also allied to Pharmacy, MLS and vice-versa. Technically, every health profession (including physicians) are AHPs.

Whenever you lots are cornered with facts about the non-viability of your vocational diploma fellowship certificate as an academic substitute for an M.Sc or PhD, you scream 'Oh.. everybody is jealous of us.'. laughable.

Many Health professionals would not change their profession for anything else. Do you know how much it costs to set up an accreditable pharmacy or fully functional medical laboratory? Their profession have given them comfort and resources more than they ever asked for, so why should they be jealous?

Listen there are global Open Universities where Nigerians are working with their M.Sc and PhD while earning top dollar without having to leave the comfort of their rooms.

Let's do a practical experiment, send your fellowship certificate as a substitute for PhD or M.Sc to WES for evaluation, let's see how that pans out?

Continue to allow your minister of Education Dr Tunji Alausa (who is a physician) deceive you. When is he done messing up the education system and the NUC because of interprofessional politics that he has continued to play since his days as former Minister of state of health and destroying every facet of education in his rabid selfish quest to intimidate the system in favour of his professional comrades, we will count the scores when the dust settles.

NUC law says you cannot be a Professor or Vice Chancellor if you do not have a PhD. That law still stands and will not tampered without the input of other professionals and representatives, before ratification in the National assembly..

He is one of the reasons I have continued to encourage many health professionals to get into politics like every other person, no matter how busy they are.

Other health professionals have allowed their heads to be shaved in their absence for too long, because Nigerians were blind for too long, and were deceived enough to allow one profession to continue to make policies for other health professionals. That situation is now being challenged and rightfully so.

Nigeria is not the only place where Healthcare is practiced. Every Health professional is an autonomous leader in his own profession. Doing Pharmacology and Laboratory practical for one semester or yesr does not give you the right to disregard those who spent 5 years studying Pharmacy or MLS, with some of them earning M.Sc and PhDs in their respective fields.

Dalohad:
Nobody 'owns' anybody in healthcare. The patient is not your slave and you cannot own the patient. The patient is in the center, while every healthcare professional surrounds him.

You are not practicing Dinosaur age medicine.

Some of your failed lecturers who couldn't manage their private practices and had to find refuge in lecturing, are responsible for these erraneous highfalutin thoughts of yourselves.

They are the set of people who are too lazy to back to school to acquire a PhD and now want to deceive the Nigerian National assembly to convert their vocational fellowship certifications (which is at best a professional diploma) to PhD by fiat. Laughable.

Tell your lecturers to go back to school and acquire a PhD if they want to lecture and become VCs in our Universities. Professional fellowship certificates are not equal to PhDs.

Stop trying to normalize abnormalities by taking advantage of the ignorance of Nigerians.

Doctors draw the management plan of the patient and may involve you or not depending on his clinical judgement .He is responsible for the the overall outcome of that patient.He is the single person the patient can hold responsible if something goes wrong.This is designed to avoid fragmentation of care and Accountability.
If you so much desire that role,go to to medical school and learn the art and skill,stop using backdoor to claim what you are not simply because you know about drugs which is just 20% of what constitute patients management .

Be proud of who you are!

AceNY:
Wrong facts!
Prof Obafunwa
Prof Okesina
Prof Abel Onunu
Prof Dimie Ogoina
Prof Innocent Ujah
All are Nigerian Medical Doctor Vice Chancellors without PhD. Google it.

Hundreds of Nigerian Medical Fellowship holders are Professors in many Nigerian and African Universities today without PhD and many are still coming on.

Stop misrepresenting the NUC and stick to your Open University engagements. Everything you do in a PhD program and more are captured in the Medical Fellowship Training. Deal with it Brother. That's why Medical Fellowship holders enter Nigerian Universities as Lecturer 1 while your PhD earns lower Lecturer 2 entry point.

And by the way, many Medical Fellowship holders have now easily acquired your PhD as a (needless) add-on to show haters that their all-round competence is never in doubt. Many of them are currently doing the PhD just to help haters feel better and to show that they have nothing to fear in a PhD programme.

Once again, approach TETFUND - Nigeria's largest Research funder and see the number of Medical Fellowship holders (without your PhD) who are recurrent grant winners 🏆

Face the issue....the Medical Fellowship is a prestigious Academic and Professional qualification all over the world. That's why the Allied professionals (AHPs) of Nursing, MLs and Pharmacy imitated Doctors (as usual) by setting
up their colleges to award Fellowships (after weekend trainings in Hotel halls.)

*If it is a mere vocational certificate why did you AHPs rush to set up your own?*

I Pray for you as a friend that you never need the services of Consultant Doctors carrying these "Vocational certificates". Then you will know the Fellowship is more than a vocational certificate.

And by the way, ALL the AHP fields sprang out of Medicine. Read your history well. That is why there is a dominant Medical specialty coordinating every AHP field.

Medicine is not allied to any profession..... Medicine is the source and root of all your Allied Health Professions.

I will not join issues with you again after this. Have a blessed day my Friend.

Like I opined earlier, you have the right to glorify whatever vocational fellowship certificate you have, regardless of the donkey years spent doing the part-time paid 'study'. However, equating it to a PhD is comical..

I am a pragmatic person and I have told you to send your fellowship certificate to World Education Service (WES) for evaluation at with par with a Master's or PhD. We both know it would find its way into the thrash bin..Why?

Because, it is not regarded as a truly academic certification, but a vocational training specific to your field of endeavour.

The people you mentioned who became Vice chancellors without PhDs in Nigeria, got there simply because in Nigeria the political will is always expended on looking for ways and loopholes to violate simple laws, regulations and consistution, rather than implementing laws to the letter.

If you have the right political connections, you can break the law without consequences. Even the violator, would tell you to 'go to court' because the judicial system is rotten.

As Minister of state for Health, Tunji Alausa did it in other health councils by nominating and imposing his friends as board chairmen, even when they are not qualified to be there against Federal statutes and laws governing the establishment of those council. Brazen lawlessness that must never go unpunished someday.

He is now trying to entrench that anomaly by going through the backdoor to amend the laws that govern those Medical councils in the National assembly. We have read the proposed bills and are working against it, rightfully so.

So, my dear friend, it is not really about whether those Physicians you mentioned are qualified. Without M.Sc and PhD, they were obviously not qualified ab initio. They became VCs because in Nigeria, rules are bent and laws are fragrantly and wantonly violated to serve selfish interests.

So do not celebrate lawlessness. It is pyrrhic and not sustainable in the long run.

If you want to be VCs and Professors LEGITIMATELY, go get your PhD and stop bandying around a professional vocational diploma and try to shove it down our throats as M.Sc or PhD.

Be good, my friend.

AceNY:
I deliberately used the term Paramedics for Allied Health Practioners for a reason. There are no Paramedics as you have abroad in the Nigerian context. My use of that term was deliberate. I do not lack the understanding of who Paramedics are in UK, US etc.

If your opinion of medical lecturers is so wrong, it is unfortunate. But go and carefully read through the Staff list of the medical schools and see if they are peopled by who "failed in private medical practice and had to find refuge in academia". I will let you be the judge. No hard feelings...I am only trying to correct the misinformation of your colleague Dpharmacist.

He should stop misinforming the public.

Can you not tag me when you make such comments.

AceNY:
Take my advice Pharmacist....stop discussing diseases on Nairaland and stop your one-sided misleading posts.

There is a Medical Doctor Specialty that gave birth to all those Allied Health Professions (AHPs) you mentioned in your earlier post. You carefully ignored this point, projecting Doctors as only there for making diagnoses and treatment plan. Get it right- Doctors are involved in diagnosis, in Lab work, in Clinical imaging and other aspects of the Investigative process.

Your over-looking this is what I aim to correct. The role of Doctors as the Lead Profession in Health sector is more all-encompassing than you reported.

Every sector has its Lead profession. For the Medical sector, the Physicians Lead. Accept it.

It is because the Physician's role is central and his training in the UNIVERSITY takes him through all your AHP specialties. All.

I was particularly shocked in your earlier post when you gave the credit of producing successful images to Radiographers only.... deceitfully being silent about Radiologists who superintend over the Radiology Departments in Hospitals and carry out ultrasound, report xrays, CT Scans, MRIs and contrast studies. Can Radiographers report MRIs in Nigeria and sign off such reports formally?

I say again stop misleading the public.

Arrogant as always. I have been posting for years. But because this post doesn't favor you and kiss y*ur a*$$ now you want to undermine all my posts and contribution to Nairaland.