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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by hansomb: 3:26am On Jun 18 |
America is the "god of Israel" 😁😄😃😀😭 |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Parachoko: 4:48am On Jun 18 |
Lordly13:They do win because the west support them |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by lastmessenger: 8:10am On Jun 18 |
frankson1:if israel fight the same way iran fights. Iran will be turned to a rubble and millions will be dead in few days. The fight between israel and iran is like a professor( israel) fighting a mad man(iran). I |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by sigmax: 12:21pm On Jun 18 |
Lordly13:Don't shift the goal post . I'm talking about Israel vs Iran but not Israel vs other Islamic nations . Also ,Iran doesn't have good relationship with most of the other Islamic nations in the ME especially the ones that participated in the 6 days war (not really a war BTW) . Therefore ,Iran didn't hate Israel because of that war . On the other hand ,Iran helped resistant groups (so called terrorists) because Israel was killing them, commiting genocide and stealing their lands ,while hypocritical West look the other side . Lastly ,while Israel fought about 6 nations and won ,Iran recently fought about 10 nations (which includes USA that's a superpower BTW) and won . |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 4:31pm On Jun 18 |
sigmax:FIRSTLY, Iran fought 10 nations? MENTION THEM Iran won against USA? Let's see what happened: USA destroyed: 1. Destroyed 80 oil and gas industries in Iran 2. Destroyed all Iran's Steel factories 3. Destroy Iran's Chemical factories 4. Destroyed all Iran's navy ships. 5. Killed their Supreme leader and all his cabinet 6. Killed half of Iran's Ministers 7. Killed half of Iranians politicians 8. Killed almost all their military leaders 9. Destroyed half of Iran's Military. 10. Destroyed Iranian Logistics sites. 11. Destroyed half of Iran's capital. 12. Put their new supreme leader in hospital. 13 destroyed all 3 of their nuclear sites. 14. Made Iran lose $500 million daily with Naval blockage. Still, Iran signed the deal TO SURRENDER THEIR URANIUMS AND NEVER TO BUILD NUKES AGAIN. WHAT DID IRAN DESTROY IN USA, COMPARE IT TO THESE? So, 3 assignment s: 1. Mention the 10 nations that fought Iran. 2. List what Iran destroyed in USA and compare to what was destroyed in Iran. 3. Why did Iran signed the nuclear deal to surrender their uraniums to the US to destroy it? |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 4:33pm On Jun 18 |
Parachoko:Wonder why nobody support Iran |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by sigmax: 5:05pm On Jun 18*. Modified: 10:39pm On Jun 18 |
Lordly13:The attached list also include Israel and USA which makes it 11! Your number 1 to 4 bullet lists are inflated figures ,only one significant steel industry was attacked and partly destroyed(not totally) Only about 3 significant oil infrastructure were partly destroyed . Only about 1 chemical industry was partly destroyed . Iran naval capabilities wasn't destroyed else they won't maintain Strait of Hormuz blockade. While small speed boats might have been attacked anyways but not significant to their capabilities,we saw several commercial ships that were sunk, US warship suffered "Laundry fire" and they couldn't come closer,neither were they able to escort commercial ships to pass,the only thing coward USA attacked that was significant was armless ship that was coming from a parade in India . 5 to 9 are laughable . Iran leader was killed in his parlour when the war hasn't started ,which we can call a first attack so it wasn't part of the war . And this is part of the event that led to his son being injured ,not during the war . Also remember that evil and coward USA bombed school children during this attacks that led to the war so it's not really a thing of pride . Half * of Iran military,politicians ,minister or military capabilities was not destroyed ,enough of the inflated figure ,at best only about 3 politicians were killed ,the ministers and politicians are still very much in place . The military or IRGC commanders killed weren't up to 10 . 10 to 13 is also wrong . Nuclear capability was bombed before this but if you and the coalition believe that the sites were destroyed ,why attack them again under the pretext of nuclear capability? Are you not contradicting yourself ? Half of Tehran wasn't destroyed else there won't be a city there ,we can see how Gaza was destroyed ,half of Tehran would have looked like that . Their logistics is still intact ,a commercial bombed bridged has been rebuilt within two weeks . Iran lost 500 million dollars daily but they're about to be rewarded with about 300 billion dollars ,do the maths ,who's your teacher ? If Iran signed deal to surrender their nukes ,what was destroyed in the 3 nuclear sites? Now I will tell you how and why Iran won the war . Iran has said they're not pursuing nukes and their dead leader signed a fatwa against it ,the goal of the war was to make them give up their nuke ambition and regime change ,while regime change has failed ,Iran wasn't building a nuke. Israel and USA want Iran to reduce their missiles capabilities but it wasn't part of the deal so Iran won again . When Iran was being bombed,they didn't beg for the war to end ,neither did they beg allies for help ,but we saw how Israel begged for help during the 12 days war . Iran didn't beg but revenged most of the attacks. USA bases surrounded Iran but they're all attacked and almost totally destroyed ,most of them have been deserted or abandoned while they're now seen as a liability in ME instead of assets ,most citizens cheer Iran missiles and drones on these bases . Iran also destroyed several oil refineries , chemical plants ,airports ,hotels that hides foreign agents etc . While Iran might not have killed enemy leaders like how theirs were killed(which is based on certain logistics I will explain if you want to learn) ,they've successfully carried out an eye for an eye attacks on their enemies No country in the world has attacked us bases (which is equivalent to USA) but Iran has done it countless times and successful. In fact ,this war made Iran a great power in the middle East . Lastly ,you've moved the goal post ,the argument was that Israel has never singlehandedly beaten Iran in a war or in conjunction with others .
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by franvincoop: 12:23am On Jun 19 |
You don't even know your Bible - Nebuchadnezzer was an Israeli. Righteousness2: |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 1:09am On Jun 19 |
sigmax:Iran carried out attacks against all those "Gulf nations" here's the question: Did those nations fire Iran first? Iran attacked those nations out of frustration of not being able to inflict major damage on Israel. (Those nations are their fellow Muslim nations and some are Brics nations. But frustration is frustration) Even Iranian president came out to publicly apologize to those nations, then the RG still fired at them. WITHOUT PROVOCATION, PURELY OUT OF FRUSTRATION. Those nations only responded with one or two retaliation strikes. Secondly, you claim the supreme leader was killed on the first day of war, what about the ministers, the politicians, the commanders (including the one who ordered Hormuz blockage) who were killed weeks after the Start of the war. So why couldn't Putin killed Zelensky or any Ukrainian minister. Despite countless attempts to reach Kiev, and countless missile strikes there. Thirdly, Homuz Blockage was mainly sea mines, speed boat, Shore-based cruise missiles, and drones. Their naval ships were destroyed (they fired at India using speed boats) More than 45,000 buildings and structures were destroyed in Tehran, and they're still tallying the loses. Hormuz amount to 20%of the world's oil transit, but it holds about 80% of Iran's oil transit, it was blocked, but ways. Do the math, who suffered. SEARCH: between Israel and Iran who has lost more in this war. For your other points, let's let AI Search and Answer. See below.
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by sigmax: 2:03pm On Jun 19 |
Lordly13:Great points ,now let me address all ! These Gulf countries didn't attack Iran first but they allowed their territory to be used as launchpads ,Iran responded by attacking all these launchpad and indirectly also means a simultaneous attack on these Gulf countries. In the six days war you initially touted as Israel invincibility for beating 6 Arabic countries ,these countries didn't attack Israel first as well . Whether these countries are Muslim nations or not doesn't make them friends except you're deceiving yourself ,we understand the politics of the ME that it's all about positioning(power) and less about religion. Iran attacked Israel and all these Gulf countries simultaneously and even after the bases and radars in these Gulf countries were absolutely destroyed, Iranian missiles have free air to strike Israel because the paper dome is a series of warnings,trackings and defence from these Gulf countries before it reaches Israel ! Iranian President apologized to these Gulf countries after Iran has destroyed enemy bases in them ,a normal case of slapping someone that offended you but you beg for his pardon ,the slap could not be taken away ! And decentralisation of the IRGC is a genius move that keep the regime alive . That's what the coalition couldn't beat . The Iranians leaders that were killed in total are not up to 20 ,which is extremely far from your inflated half figure . Putin could kill Zelensky but he didn't ,Putin could destroy Ukraine if he wants but that's the difference between a sensible leader and an unhinged leader ,even the God of Israel which is USA is already getting weary of Israel bloodthirsty activities. You don't even follow the India saga ,it was a Iranian naval ship that's coming from India parade that USA torpedoed,but not that Iranian fired at Indian naval ship with fast boat . US Navy has several jets ,does that makes us Navy air force ? A Naval force simply means all the forces the wing has to carry out action . So if you claim that you've decimated their naval forces,then you should have passed the strait without fear or hindrances . The mines were not yet laid when the blockade order was effective . Trump himself said that USA would have run out of reservation in 4 weeks if he didn't make a deal with Iran ,so who's the blockade affected the most even when Iran will get $300bn? No need to argue ,evidence supercedes bias Ai,just show me a picture of the 45 thousands destroyed infrastructure in Tehran . I never said Iran didn't suffer more casualties than any other country they fought against but what I'm saying is that they won the war . Even if we look at statistics,Iran spread his attacks on 11 countries interest while these 11 countries concentrate their attacks on a single country ,which of both side will have independent impact ? And yes ,Israel suffers significant losses and Trump has said it over and over again that Israel would have been destroyed without USA. He said it after 12 days war and he said it this week . If a country is defeated ,you don't invite them to a negotiation table ,you order them but as we can see this week ,it was Iran that was in the round table but it was Israel that was ordered not to show up or see the MOU . Add 1+1 together and give us the outcome of the loser and the winner . |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 4:44am On Jun 20 |
sigmax: ![]() This is laughable. Now I know why you think Iran won. Firstly The Iranian Senior Analyst reported 52 senior Iranian officials dead, [/b]including ministers and top intelligence officials killed in the war. [b]Argue with Iranian Analyst https://content.iranintl.com/senior-iranian-officials-commanders-killed/index.html The IEA Chief reported 80 oil and gas factories destroyed. Argue with him For the rest on Iran, since you say Google AI is bias, Use Chinese AI to Verify who receive greater lost between Israel and Iran. For Putin vs Zelensky: the Rubbish "Putin can but he did not" excuse is dead now, it's too weak to survive 1. Did you know how many times Putin used SS Missiles on Kiev? 2. Did you know How many thousand of drones Putin fired at Kiev? 3. Did you know how many times Russia tanks and soldiers match to Kiev but were defeated. COUNTLESS TIMES!!! So Putin doesn't want to kill Zelensky so Ukraine will surrender, he just wants to keep losing Refineries (about 30 Russian refineries has but damaged by Zelensky. [Before you say I'm lying A Russia Minister reported it in a press statement on 25 of September 2025-go search 😂) Putin is being heavily humiliated, Zelensky is flogging Putin hard. Just this month "Moscow collect wotowoto, search and see for yourself. Use Chinese AI and ask "between Russia and Ukraine who has lost more soldiers" Abeg ask.
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 5:15am On Jun 20 |
sigmax:"Trump himself said that USA would have run out of reservation in 4 weeks if he didn't make a deal with Iran" BIG LIE, EXTREME BIG. 1. USA don't buy Gulf oil. 2. USA IS THE LARGEST OIL PRODUCERS IN THE WORD., THE LARGEST. 3. USA IS A MAJOR OIL SELL, Infact Usa Was Benefiting From The War by having more nations buy oil from them. (Picture below) Moreover: Before the day to the deal TRUMP DESTROYED 3 MORE ASSET IN IRAN, and said MORE COMING UNLESS DEAL SIGNED. IRAN RUSHED AND SIGNED THE NEXT DAY. "When Iran will get $300bn?" 😂 Nobody is paying Iran $300bn, Go Search what the $300bn for Iran means, it's not coming from USA pocket, (Trump already said that) It's a deal permitting private investor to rebuild Iran (those investors still profit from that). Like a finger finger to Iran for Surrendering their Uraniums. Lastly, please, please Use Chinese AI, or use anything and Search "BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN, WHO LOST MORE IN THIS WAR"
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Johncarlo07: 6:46am On Jun 20 |
lastmessenger:And dey told u only Israeli soldiers fought d 12 days war 🤣🤣🤣 bliv cnn nd BBC at ur own peril. |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by sigmax: 5:03pm On Jun 20 |
Lordly13:You said half of Iranian politicians (which includes all appointed officials & elected officials) and military leaders but now you've retracted to 52 senior officials,great retreat! Only the parliament alone has 290 members which 52 is not even it's quarter let alone half . What of countless appointed officials and countless military leaders(which include IRGC) which is scattered all over the big country . 52 is a very minute number when you accumulate all their "senior officials" and that's why Iran is still standing . 80 oil and factories destroyed doesn't count for major factories destroyed . A factory of 1000 acre has the same count as a factory that's on a plot . And yes Iran destroyed several major Oil infrastructure in the 11 countries it attacked which include Saudi Arabia and Qatar ,the biggest player in the middle East. About Putin ,I will give you instance ,when Ayatollah was killed ,his residence was directly bombed ,now tell me ,has Putin attacked or targeted Zelensky residence ? Israel once bombed the presidential palace of Syria last year ,now tell me ,has Putin attacked or targeted Ukrainian presidential palace? So if Putin really wants to take Zelensky out ,isn't it the best thing to target these places ? In fact ,you've not mentioned the best missile Russia used in Ukraine which is Oreshnik,has Ukraine or NATO defend against any of them ? If the whole of NATO that's fighting in Ukraine couldn't prevent that ,why didn't Putin use it to target Zelensky? About body counts ,I don't want to argue the number of Russians that have died in the war ,but when Russia and Ukraine share bodies ,what's the ratio ? Is it not always about 5 ratio 95 ? While Ukraine is putting up a great fight(with NATO help btw) ,Russia is holding back because they're brothers and the reason Russia was fighting the war is to prevent NATO foothold in the region but not to destroy Ukraine or take over the place ,and yes ,Russia has the largest landmass in the world so 0.8 PCT of Ukraine is insignificant. |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by sigmax: 5:13pm On Jun 20 |
Lordly13:But the 300bn dollars will enter Iran pocket ? That's all that's needed to mean that they won . Lastly ,we are under a post that says "Trump says ,without him ,there wouldn't be Israel"
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by lastmessenger: 6:51pm On Jun 20 |
Johncarlo07:israel fought 12 day war and they are still standing. |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 2:54pm On Jun 23*. Modified: 4:38pm On Jun 23 |
sigmax:There are two parties in USA, one always post lies about what Trump says. "How do you think the largest oil producers, who don't even depend on the Strait of Homuz will run out of oil because of the Strait? does it make sense." 300bn rebuild fund, means double way profit, the nation that destroyed them will also profit. Not much of a winning.
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| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 3:24pm On Jun 23 |
sigmax:STORY, STORY, EXCUSES FOR LOSING HARD. Putin that has received missiles and drones from China, Iran and soldiers from Africa, China and North Korea. Now You want to give excuse that NATO is giving Ukraine aids NOTE: Russia's large land mass is widely infertile and inhabitable, even China banned buying wheat from Russia 1. Bro: PUTIN HAS ALWAYS TARGETED ZELENSKY. [/b]Putin's missiles and drones are always intercepted before they reach the residence at Kiev. 2. All the 4 nations that Share border with Russia have joined NATO, why didn't Russia attack them. Finland joined 2023, Poland, Estonia, etc all Joined NATO but Putin didn't attack. [b]PUTIN IS A TRUCE BREAKER Around 2013, Putin suggested Ukraine should sign a deal to be "Military Neutral Nation" because Ukraine wanted to join UN (not NATO). Ukraine agreed to Putin and Reduced their Military (Ukraine has no Airforce or Navy). 2015, Putin attacked Creamia and started mining, 2018-2020 Putin forced Dornbas and one region out of Ukraine. THAT'S WHEN ZELENSKY DECIDED TO JOIN NATO. SO TELL: 1. Why didn't Putin attack Finland when they joined in 2021 and finalized in 2023? 2. Why didn't Putin attack Estonia that join NATO in March 2024? (Estonia is closer to Russia than Ukraine) 3. Why didn't Putin attack Poland and Hungary that Join NATO in 1999. All these nations share a border with Russia, so why didn't Putin attack? BECAUSE UNLIKE UKRAINE, THEY DIDN'T REDUCE THEIR MILITARY, SO PUTIN IS AFRAID. Why did Putin seized Creamia from Ukraine immediately after signing a deal to reduce their military? When the war started,Putin was bragging and bragging, then he went to seek help from China for missles, North Korea and Africa for solders, Iran for Drones. But now, Zelensky has drained 40% of Russian's oil money. Putin has shut up. |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by Lordly13: 3:38pm On Jun 23 |
sigmax:BRIEF HISTORY WHY RUSSIA HATES NATO USA and UK created NATO after WW2, Then USA and UK was Russia's allies. They invited Russia to join. Russia refused to join, Russia Created THE WARSAW PACT in 1955 to rival NATO. After like 2 years, all the nations in the WARSAW PACT saw NATO's strength. All of them started leaving one by one to join NATO, until only Russia was left in it's own WARSAW PACT. Out of Shame, Russia refused to close the WARSAW PACT and Join NATO. It's the only Nation in it, still begging other nations to join. But now, Ukraine is flogging Russia so hard that no nation will stand with them. |
| Re: Without Me, There Would Be No Israel’ — Trump Criticises Netanyahu Over Lebanon by lastmessenger: 6:51am On Jun 24 |
Johncarlo07:who fought with them? The Nigeria army? |
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