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| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Omi24: 6:09pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:I get your point and at the same time I won't criticize the citizens that beckon on govt to subsidize the power bills. It's not bad for govt to assist her citizens in one way or other subsidy it's not an ambiguous thing to request from a govt. We basically provides everything for ourselves despite paying heavy taxes |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Ttalk: 6:15pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:You don't have idea of what you are saying and it is annoying hearing you repeat same theory all along. Power problem in Nigeria is not a problem of cost reflective issue, it is purely leadership insensitivity to the importance of electricity to economic growth. Have you asked yourself why has no state government embarked on state power generation, transmission and distribution? It is because the willpower is not there but these state governors can spend money to marry wives, pilgrimages and donation to religion centres. Electricity should not be expensive the way you portray it because the technology presently used to generate, transmit and distribute are not complex. Again the lifespan of most of these equipment can be way above 50 to 100years before replacement, so what exactly is driving the cost that makes you think Nigerians can't afford it. Your argument of bypass is very weak because there are many ways that can be curbed. Stop making excuses for the moribund distribution companies that deserves nothing less than total ban |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:15pm On Jun 21 |
Omi24:Well, Nigeria cannot pay subsidies for any thing We have been subsidising power for over 50 years, and in all that time it is not working...because most of our revenue comes from the sale of oil, and oil prices are very fluctuant, plus oil production has been falling. And we have a low tax uptake. Which means that we have been and have to borrow to finance part of the budget. And that is before we even talk of stealing. If we were to try to subsidise petrol...which most want back today, it would cost us somewhere around 20-30 trillion naira annually. Experts say we need somewhere around 10-14 trillion naira annually to fix power..to the level that is needed to keep everyone on the grid on light. Oil prices, strait of hormuz regardless, are projected to be low in the future. Either we tax everyone, which everyone including tinubu does not love, or we over borrow to pay for good electricity...leaving us with more debt. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:16pm On Jun 21 |
Omi24:Well, Nigeria cannot pay subsidies for any thing We have been subsidising power for over 50 years, and in all that time it is not working...because most of our revenue comes from the sale of oil, and oil prices are very fluctuant, plus oil production has been falling. And we have a low tax uptake. Which means that we have been and have to borrow to finance part of the budget. And that is before we even talk of stealing. And all that tends to leave limited funds for subsides of any kind that would work for power, without massive taxation of everyone in the country. If we were to try to subsidise petrol...which most want back today, it would cost us somewhere around 20-30 trillion naira annually. That's half our budget, that has a deficit of 23trillion naira that needs to be funded by loans Experts say we need somewhere around 10-14 trillion naira annually to fix power..to the level that is needed to keep everyone on the grid on light. Oil prices, strait of hormuz regardless, are projected to be low in the future. Either we tax everyone, which everyone including tinubu does not love, or we over borrow to pay for good electricity...leaving us with more debt. Countries that do subsides, they also charge very high income taxes, higher if you get rich. Nigerians wey no like paying tax, dem go gree, even if it is to help keep power cheap? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Desyner: 6:17pm On Jun 21 |
We are not fools ooo. If current tarrifs are cost reflective. Power is not something small companies can just generate casually. These current owners of the system are milking us and want more before making power constant. If they are making losses, why hasnt any sold his or her power company? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Desyner: 6:24pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:If this is the case, has anyone sold off the loss incurring power company? You cannot lie your way out always when quantitative metric is involved. Truth is the owners want a criminal profit margins before they can take a token from the profit and re-invest into the system to make it better and have us on our way to constant power. That won't happen because renewable is cheaper than the bullshit they are proposing. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by GravityDefier: 6:25pm On Jun 21 |
voortrekker966:What's your conclusion? Should it be made available or not? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:26pm On Jun 21 |
Ttalk:Right. Power problem in Nigeria is not a problem of cost reflective issue, it is purely leadership insensitivity to the importance of electricity to economic growth.1.We have been hearing this propaganda for ages. If it was true, they won't have given us any roads, phones, and a host of other things 2. Besides it is in the interest of the government that power be there 3. And that means that you think that Professor Nnaji is also wrong and has no idea what he is talking about too. Okay. Have you asked yourself why has no state government embarked on state power generation, transmission and distribution? It is because the willpower is not there but these state governors can spend money to marry wives, pilgrimages and donation to religion centres.Just read the comments on my post,e specially the ones that call me names for asking for cost reflective tarrifs. Most states can't do power generation because their citizens will not agree to a cost reflective tarrif. That means that no bank would lend money for the project, no investor , even a state indigene would invest his money, and it would cost the state a lot of money There is a reason why governors prefer to attract factories...it yields quick money. See how tinubu and the federal government are blocking cost reflective tarrifs. Ya think a state governor would build power station, and connection to the entire state, and then turn around and charge N10 per kwh? Especially since gas is paid for in dollars and every component needed to bring power is made abroad...meaning maintenance and upgrade costs are already high from day 1? Better read Prof Nnaji's comment I quoted, abeg. Electricity should not be expensive the way you portray it because the technology presently used to generate, transmit and distribute are not complex.Well, the tech for phone and internet is not complex, yet it works because cost relfective tarrif Also, again, we don't make most of the components for good electricity transmission. That increases costs drastically. Add maintenance and upgrade costs, and it's a big amount of money Most states that cannot even fund hospitals and schools well enough, dem go build world class power company? OK o. Again the lifespan of most of these equipment can be way above 50 to 100years before replacement, so what exactly is driving the cost that makes you think Nigerians can't afford it.Sigh. Read Prof NNAJI again Also,you go use a car for fifty years? Or even twenty years? Okay. You have forgotten that things degrade over time? That's even a big part of the reason whyw e have bad power supply..we kept on using old equipment way past their expiry date. Flawed argument here. Your argument of bypass is very weak because there are many ways that can't be curbed.Sorry, but you are not making sense here. Next. Stop making excuses for the moribund distribution companies that deserves nothing less than total banSo a company should produce power at N200 and above per kwh and sell it below N100 per kwh for the majority, and the government is not paying enough subsides, and gas prices are rising.? RIght. Good evening and have a good day, comrade. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by GravityDefier: 6:27pm On Jun 21 |
voortrekker966:What's your conclusion? Should it be made available or not? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Ttalk: 6:29pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:You are still not making sense, if it is cheap for me to provide my water and generate my power through solar why is it more expensive if government mass produce it where economies of scale comes in. I've done my calculation based on my investment in my household power supply and I discovered it is more cheaper than what people in band A and B are paying |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:30pm On Jun 21 |
Desyner:And you are running away from the reason why they are loss making? You cannot lie your way out always when quantitative metric is involved.So Professor Barth Nnaji is also a liar, ok. [You cannot lie your way out always when quantitative metric is involved.TYou cannot lie your way out always when quantitative metric is involved.ruth is the owners want a criminal profit margins before they can take a token from the profit and re-invest into the system to make it better and have us on our way to constant power. That won't happen because renewable is cheaper than the bullshit they are proposing. Why the eff are you guys opposed to someone making a profit? Do you really live in the real world, where profit making is how businesses are run, or you think that successful buisnesses have some money magic tree ? Please, sigh, go read an economics textbook or something. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:32pm On Jun 21 |
@Ttalk A business must make a profit for it to meet running costs, pay workers well, and be run well If you don;t believe that, sorry. Countries that followed your way all failed Good evening. ![]() |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:34pm On Jun 21 |
Cost-reflective tariffs are needed in Nigeria’s power sector to eliminate the massive financial shortfalls across the value chain, ensuring that the true cost of generating, transmitting, and distributing electricity is covered. This pricing structure is essential to attract private investment, fund vital infrastructure maintenance, and guarantee reliable power supply Final post. I guess the comrades can now pretend they have won the argument. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Desyner: 6:34pm On Jun 21 |
You blocked me then replied. What kind of fuckery is that? You don't want contrary opinion and believe you are an expert everyone must swallow the dung emanating from his brain. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:38pm On Jun 21 |
I guess the comrade above knows he has won the argument I think they may be two of them |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by God2man2again4(m): 6:41pm On Jun 21 |
Do we really need a rocket science or gigantic loan to solve this problem? In the Northern part of Nigeria, there is plenty of heat and sunshine wasting away, we can establish a solar power generating companies in the northern part of Nigeria that will help with existing megawatts. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Willie2015: 6:52pm On Jun 21 |
Desyner:In fact he deleted all my comments on this topic. Truth is always hard. If the Presidency stated paying Band A is unsustainable for the Villa... Why force it down the throat of common Nigerians who cant afford 3 square meals |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Reference(m): 7:02pm On Jun 21*. Modified: 7:24pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:Oga Tarrif. For your information electricity bills have gone up by a factor of 3. Three times more expensive than it was in 2023 when this government got into office. Has the services improved by that same metric. Now what is your response to this. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by toprealman: 7:10pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:You don’t solve a problem thinking in binary terms. Who told you your solution is the only way out? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by sematec(m): 8:23pm On Jun 21 |
Nigerians don't believe in their own country ![]() |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by sematec(m): 8:24pm On Jun 21 |
Nigerians don't believe in their own country ![]() Nothing is impossible |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Scamburster(m): 9:04pm On Jun 21 |
Solcampbell:Hmmmmm So that guy is actually a paid agent? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by chinchum(m): 9:29pm On Jun 21 |
nairalanda1:Theory is different from practical. If a Physician decides to administer plethora of required drugs all at once to a patient , that patient may enter shock and die. Is that what you want? Nigeria went to deep shock with the oil subsidy removal, and gradually settling down with the aftermath and recovery and election approaching you want Tinubu to remove subsidy on power now? Buhari was afraid of a coup and could not remove oil subsidy until June 2023 when he will be away. Wisdom is profitable to direct. i will recommend the Government settle the over 4 thrillion naira debt and counting. Some battles be left till the second term. If many kids are ask to vote their parents, they will vote them out for the parent not allowing them to eat unlimited candies and junk foods but veggies and balance diet and also forcing them to sleep early afterall the parent is not sleeping early. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by Codes151(m): 10:01pm On Jun 21 |
It can. I just finished design the substation for uk. I was part of 10Mw generator design too. It’s easy. I can give nigeria 100k MW |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by 1MILLIONLiGHTS(m): 10:03pm On Jun 21 |
helinues:Nigeria's case is that there is not enough power ( less than 6000MW ) injected to the National grid system. Nigeria needs nothing less than 50000 MW to be currently comfortable. To be a little more industrialized like Brazil and south Africa, Nigeria needs Around 200,000 MW. Secondly, The Transmission line capacity is very low. Thirdly, the Discos are not truly professionally operating like global counterparts. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by BrickandLace(f): 10:06pm On Jun 21 |
Scamburster:Duh...! Can't you tell from obnoxious posts he (nairalanda1) makes ? |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by acorntree(m): 4:36am On Jun 22 |
Ttalk:It can't be cheaper. Generating electricity through solar is extremely expensive when compared with what you gotten from Nepa. For a solar setup that can work like nepa, power equipment like nepa etc, per unit kwhr can't be less than #500/units |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:46am On Jun 22 |
toprealman:Well, we tried subsides for over 50 years. And we still do not have light. Time we tried something different. And something that has worked in other African countries. Ivory Coast for example. Last time they had a general nationwide blackout was in the 1980's. IN 1993, they deregulated. Before you shout corruption...the leader who did the deregulation was not only corrupt but also a tribalist and a bigot. Well, they have light 24/7 Also Ghana. Ghana has cost reflective tarrifs. Yeah, government does do some control, but not to the level where the companies there cannot even break even...they are still selling above the cost of production Again we have tried for over 50 years with price controls and subsides. It is not effing working. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:49am On Jun 22 |
chinchum:Well, the 4 trillion debt was acutally government cutting it from 6 trillion. And that is just what the government owes in terms of subsidy, there are other debts owed the power companies. Plus it won't attract investments. Investors want to see ROI and the only way to do that is by...allowing cost reflective tarrifs, not by doing price controls and subsidies that do not get paid on time. PLus subsides only cover the difference between the cost of production and the government set price. It doesn't allow for the companies to make a profit. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:52am On Jun 22 |
Reference:ELectricity bills are still below the level needed for profits to be made, which is between N200-250. Most people pay anywhere between N70-180 per kwh. Subsidy payments are irregular...meaning that 1. NO one would invest in the power sector, because the risk is too high 2. And the power sector won't be able to make enough of a profit The losses from the majority of consumers is even making it difficult to give Band A people good enough electricity. Time for deregulation. It's worked in Ghana and Ivory coast. |
| Re: Why Power Supply May Never Improve In Nigeria. by nairalanda1(op): 6:54am On Jun 22 |
Well, at the end, Nigerians seem to want their country to be a communist nation, a nation that provides all the goodies, at a large and larger cost of the debt, until it all falls apart. Cost reflective tarrifs. |
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