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QuinQ:
😂🤣😅
The joke is on Iran. Someone that directly killed their heroes, Suleman, Ayatollah, and others, now that it is their chance to get a little revenge by refusing ANY deal so he'll lose midterms and be impeached (and possibly jailed), they'er letting him PAUSE the war so he can go do elections and come back. It would be definition of FOOLISHNESS if it weren't out of desperate drsperation!

Meanwhile here's the agreement you're basing everything on below. You people are ridiculous!

https://www.nairaland.com/8695448/iran-delegation-leaves-us-talks

If you think Iran gives a hoot about the midterms you're certifiably insane.

It's not about Trump, it's about humiliating the entire US and its proxy Israel.

You're just flailing repeating the same tepid lines about the dead Ayatollah and Soleimani, as if their deaths aren't catalysts for the new Iran squeezing the balls of the US without any latent change in iran's power.

The death of an old sick man who was dying anyway, the man who was restraining the IRGC, is not the W you think it is.

You're multidimensionally deluded.

God1000:
https://punchng.com/most-israelis-believe-iran-won-mideast-war-poll-finds?

Meanwhile some religiously brainwashed people supporting isreal based on a warped and un christlike christian theology will not admit the reality that every one can see.

QuinQ:
😂🤣😅
The joke is on Iran. Someone that directly killed their heroes, Suleman, Ayatollah, and others, now that it is their chance to get a little revenge by refusing ANY deal so he'll lose midterms and be impeached (and possibly jailed), they'er letting him PAUSE the war so he can go do elections and come back. It would be definition of FOOLISHNESS if it weren't out of desperate drsperation!

Meanwhile here's the agreement you're basing everything on below. You people are ridiculous!

https://www.nairaland.com/8695448/iran-delegation-leaves-us-talks

Stop displaying your ignorance because of your bias and preconceived notions. Even a blind person can see that US was humiliated in this war.

TheGift:
Stop displaying your ignorance because of your bias and preconceived notions. Even a blind person can see that US was humiliated in this war.

Neoteny:
If you think Iran gives a hoot about the midterms you're certifiably insane.

It's not about Trump, it's about humiliating the entire US and its proxy Israel.

You're just flailing repeating the same tepid lines about the dead Ayatollah and Soleimani, as if their deaths aren't catalysts for the new Iran squeezing the balls of the US without any latent change in iran's power.

The death of an old sick man who was dying anyway, the man who was restraining the IRGC, is not the W you think it is.

You're multidimensionally deluded.

Read the screenshots below then come back and tell us who is humiliated and is humiliating whom!
If Trump is talking like this BEFORE midterms that tells you what he'll likely DO after midterms.
This is reality NOT the alternate reality in your head where Iran has lost nothing!

QuinQ:
Read the screenshots below then come back and tell us who is humiliated and is humiliating whom!
If Trump is talking like this BEFORE midterms that tells you what he'll likely DO after midterms.
This is reality NOT the alternate reality in your head where Iran has lost nothing!

You know why they named him TACO?

Can you count how many times he's threatened Iran without doing absolutely nothing? Close to 50 times.

No one takes him seriously except obtuse fellows in Nigeria, such as your humble self.

Iran walked out on JD after Trump issued threats. Funny... the supposed loser is the one walking away leaving the "victor" standing in front of the cameras reflecting the light and looking stupid.

Iran has humiliated the US and Israel, and your struggles to cope with that fact only adds to our collective amusement.

Neoteny:
You know why they named him TACO?

Can you count how many times he's threatened Iran without doing absolutely nothing? Close to 50 times.

No one takes him seriously except obtuse fellows in Nigeria, such as your humble self.

Iran walked out on JD after Trump issued threats. Funny... the supposed loser is the one walking away leaving the "victor" standing in front of the cameras reflecting the light and looking stupid.

Iran has humiliated the US and Israel, and your struggles to cope with that fact only adds to our collective amusement.

WHY doesn't Iran dare him by re-closing Hormuz?? It is clear who is the boss here. The ONLY way Iran can revenge on Trump for all he has done to them and at same time prove they're not desperate is to keep attacking ships on Hormuz so insurance companies close it again and so have the war continue dominating all the news, thus keeping Trump from campaigning or reminding Americans of his successes. That will guarantee he'll lose in a landslide, get impeached, and possibly go to jail!

QuinQ:
Read the screenshots below then come back and tell us who is humiliated and is humiliating whom!
If Trump is talking like this BEFORE midterms that tells you what he'll likely DO after midterms.
This is reality NOT the alternate reality in your head where Iran has lost nothing!

Who said Iran Has lost nothing? Stop.putting words in my mouth so as to make your weak arguments sound stronger.

The fact is that Trump.when.He started this war said it was not a war but an excursion that will take a few days, at most weeks.

Yet, many months after, american bases in the middle east have been destroyed, america has lost the support of allies both in the middle east and europe. American and Isreal that started the war together are now at logger heads, and US is trying to negotiate an end to the war with Iran negotiating from position of strength. These are undisputable facts.

This your speculation about.midterm.elections remains just that, speculations. Lets speak based on the facts that are already on ground.

Based on its many stated goals for the war, beginning with regime change, America has lost the war. Even majority americans agree. But you are here still flogging a dead horse. Better rest.

QuinQ:
WHY doesn't Iran dare him by re-closing Hormuz?? It is clear who is the boss here. The ONLY way Iran can revenge on Trump for all he has done to them and at same time prove they're not desperate is to keep attacking ships on Hormuz so insurance companies close it again and so have the war continue dominating all the news, thus keeping Trump from campaigning or reminding Americans of his successes. That will guarantee he'll lose in a landslide, get impeached, and possibly go to jail!

What the heck are you on about? The SoH is closed!

And what successes of trump are you talking about? His low deportation numbers? The rising inflation? The higher cost of gas? The increasing deficit? Not releasing the full Epstein files? The fizzled weaponization against opponents? The failed Reflecting Pool renovation? The lost Iran war? The poor relationship with all allies?

You're incurably ignorant

Neoteny:
What the heck are you on about? The SoH is closed!

And what successes of trump are you talking about? His low deportation numbers? The rising inflation? The higher cost of gas? The increasing deficit? Not releasing the full Epstein files? The fizzled weaponization against opponents? The failed Reflecting Pool renovation? The lost Iran war? The poor relationship with all allies?

You're incurably ignorant

Stop posting one-sided crap. Below is the situation in Hormuz TODAY. The main problem is that Iran does not have one leader - all the powerful leaders are dead. IRGC have the guns and they want war. Civilian leaders want peace. Bottom line, Iran only has Hormuz which will soon be solved, then WHAT?

TheGift:
Who said Iran Has lost nothing? Stop.putting words in my mouth so as to make your weak arguments sound stronger.

The fact is that Trump.when.He started this war said it was not a war but an excursion that will take a few days, at most weeks.

Yet, many months after, american bases in the middle east have been destroyed, america has lost the support of allies both in the middle east and europe. American and Isreal that started the war together are now at logger heads, and US is trying to negotiate an end to the war with Iran negotiating from position of strength. These are undisputable facts.

This your speculation about.midterm.elections remains just that, speculations. Lets speak based on the facts that are already on ground.

Based on its many stated goals for the war, beginning with regime change, America has lost the war. Even majority americans agree. But you are here still flogging a dead horse. Better rest.

You are being VERY economical with the truth.
Here are things I posted earlier. See the screenshot for stated objecyives of the war!

Iran has only ONE card - Hormuz.
But they are FOOLS if they agree to ANY deal AT ALL at this time. It is OBVIOUS Trump is only interested in getting through the midterm elections. After that he'll start the real war!
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Honestly, do you think Iran wouldn't a million times love to be back how they were before the war and still have all the people they lost??
US, on the other hand, learnt lessons worth more than anything they lost. I can assure you Hormuz (Iran's only card) is being solved as we speak and would not be a factor or far less a factor when (not if) the war restarts.

QuinQ:
You are being VERY economical with the truth.
Here are things I posted earlier. See the screenshot for stated objecyives of the war!

Iran has only ONE card - Hormuz.
But they are FOOLS if they agree to ANY deal AT ALL at this time. It is OBVIOUS Trump is only interested in getting through the midterm elections. After that he'll start the real war!
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Honestly, do you think Iran wouldn't a million times love to be back how they were before the war and still have all the people they lost??
US, on the other hand, learnt lessons worth more than anything they lost. I can assure you Hormuz (Iran's only card) is being solved as we speak and would not be a factor or far less a factor when (not if) the war restarts.

You can assure me, because what? You work for the US Intelligence or Isreali Defence?

Guy rest, with the speculation. It is clear you have picked sides. I am just analysing it as is, using US stated goals as a benchmark. But since you want to keep talking about middterms, let us wait till then to continue this conversation. Thank you

TheGift:
You can assure me, because what? You work for the US Intelligence or Isreali Defence?

Guy rest, with the speculation. It is clear you have picked sides. I am just analysing it as is, using US stated goals as a benchmark. But since you want to keep talking about middterms, let us wait till then to continue this conversation. Thank you

You are the one picked sides. How can a breathing human being look at the PAST (people and infrastructure lost) and likely FUTURE (war almost certain to restart), NOT just the present (the MoU), and say Iran won. Won what?? Won attacking ships on Hormuz?

Yes Hormuz will definitely be solved one way or another - even if it means US taking over from insurance companies and directly insuring ships and at same time providing cover for any ship crossing. One thing is certain, it WILL be solved!

QuinQ:
You are the one picked sides. How can a breathing human being look at the PAST (people and infrastructure lost) and likely FUTURE (war almost certain to restart), NOT just the present (the MoU), and say Iran won. Won what?? Won attacking ships on Hormuz?

Yes Hormuz will definitely be solved one way or another - even if it means US taking over from insurance companies and directly insuring ships and at same time providing cover for any ship crossing. One thing is certain, it WILL be solved!

I did not say Iran Won, i said US lost. 2 different things. And i said US lost because they did not achieve any of their stated objectives. Do you have a problem with English. ?

QuinQ:
You are the one picked sides. How can a breathing human being look at the PAST (people and infrastructure lost) and likely FUTURE (war almost certain to restart), NOT just the present (the MoU), and say Iran won. Won what?? Won attacking ships on Hormuz?

Yes Hormuz will definitely be solved one way or another - even if it means US taking over from insurance companies and directly insuring ships and at same time providing cover for any ship crossing. One thing is certain, it WILL be solved!

P.S. latest news:
The amount of oil in the U.S Strategic Petroleum Reserve plunged last week to the lowest level since 1983 as the Trump administration continues to deploy emergency oil to minimize the damage from the war with Iran.

TheGift:
I did not say Iran Won, i said US lost. 2 different things. And i said US lost because they did not achieve any of their stated objectives. Do you have a problem with English. ?

TheGift:
P.S. latest news:
The amount of oil in the U.S Strategic Petroleum Reserve plunged last week to the lowest level since 1983 as the Trump administration continues to deploy emergency oil to minimize the damage from the war with Iran.

HOW did US lose?? Do you know how much they'd be willing to pay for the lessons they learnt from ths war - worth much more than anything they lost in the war except human life.
Already they now have a corridor through Oman that bypasses Iran's part of Hormuz. Add to that, Gulf States' extreme wealth will now be spent to make them Iran-proof!

As for petroleum reserve, CNN stupid propaganda. US has excess oil. The reserve is just to stabilize world oil prices. Out of over 400 million in the reserve they have sold not even up to 9 million!

AntiisIam:
Only eyan shigi olowo otun meji will believe Iran won after their generals and supreme leaders were connected with their gurls in alujana

Wetin u know
🤣🤣🤣 even your master is now begging .

All your kpaid idf are now suffering in grave now .

You can join them nah by going Israhel to fight Iran .

You may come back horizontally .

QuinQ:
HOW did US lose?? Do you know how much they'd be willing to pay for the lessons they learnt from ths war - worth much more than anything they lost in the war except human life.
Already they now have a corridor through Oman that bypasses Iran's part of Hormuz. Add to that, Gulf States' extreme wealth will now be spent to make them Iran-proof!

As for petroleum reserve, CNN stupid propaganda. US has excess oil. The reserve is just to stabilize world oil prices. Out of over 400 million in the reserve they have sold not even up to 9 million!

You're very funny. Did the US tell you that they were going to war to learn lessons? And are they the only ones that can learn? Do you not realize that Iran has been able to sustain this war because of the lessons learnt from previous attacks.?

One thing which is becoming clearer to me is that you think wars are won or lost purely from a militaristic dimension but that is so narrow minded

I know you like speculations but these are the undisputable facts;

1. The US failed to destroy Iran's nuclear program (set back only ~months, not eliminated)

2. Iran's government survived; hardliners were empowered rather than weakened

3. US is in a weaker position than before the war with no long-term strategic gains

4. Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz blocked a vital shipping lane

5. The war handed a windfall to Russia (which has sold weapons to Iran, and has benefitted from america's distraction from Ukraine) and weakened US strategic edge against China.

6. US depleted Tomahawk missiles and other munitions needed for more dangerous adversaries

7. Six out of seven American military bases in the region were bombed without any meaningful resistance

8. America's moral reputation and reputation for effective governance has suffered globally

9. American has lost support of its main allies particularly in the Europe.

10. Gas prices in the US Rose from ~$3/gallon to ~$4/gallon (38% increase); later breached $4.50/gallon. Americans paid $8.4 Billion more for gas in just the first month of the war

11. Nearly 1/3 of Americans reduced spending/savings due to higher fuel costs

12. The cost of the war is estimated to have exceeded $1 billion daily , a ridiculously high amount spent on strategic objectives that have not been met, even though you ridiculously think it is worth it for the lessons learnt about Hormuz.

13. America is not even able to properly handle the peace talks that it has been pushing for.

14. America and Isreal who started the war together, are now at loggerheads.

I could go on, but these are just a few of the UNDISPUTABLE facts.

Majority of Americans are not in support of the war, yet you from a country described by Trump as a "shithole" are still here supporting it,- even though the war almost doubled fuel prices in your country.and you are paying more for food because of it.

Robert Kagan , a senior fellow in the Brookings Institute (one of the most influential think tanks in America stated: "this is essentially a complete victory for Iran and a significant loss for the United States".

These are people.who are more.informed than most on these topics, but you want me take your own assurance based on specualtions about the midterms? Like I said, you're very funny.

TheGift:
You're very funny. Did the US tell you that they were going to war to learn lessons? And are they the only ones that can learn? Do you not realize that Iran has been able to sustain this war because of the lessons learnt from previous attacks.?

One thing which is becoming clearer to me is that you think wars are won or lost purely from a militaristic dimension but that is so narrow minded

I know you like speculations but these are the undisputable facts;

1. The US failed to destroy Iran's nuclear program (set back only ~months, not eliminated)

2. Iran's government survived; hardliners were empowered rather than weakened

3. US is in a weaker position than before the war with no long-term strategic gains

4. Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz blocked a vital shipping lane

5. The war handed a windfall to Russia (which has sold weapons to Iran, and has benefitted from america's distraction from Ukraine) and weakened US strategic edge against China.

6. US depleted Tomahawk missiles and other munitions needed for more dangerous adversaries

7. Six out of seven American military bases in the region were bombed without any meaningful resistance

8. America's moral reputation and reputation for effective governance has suffered globally

9. American has lost support of its main allies particularly in the Europe.

10. Gas prices in the US Rose from ~$3/gallon to ~$4/gallon (38% increase); later breached $4.50/gallon. Americans paid $8.4 Billion more for gas in just the first month of the war

11. Nearly 1/3 of Americans reduced spending/savings due to higher fuel costs

12. The cost of the war is estimated to have exceeded $1 billion daily , a ridiculously high amount spent on strategic objectives that have not been met, even though you ridiculously think it is worth it for the lessons learnt about Hormuz.

13. America is not even able to properly handle the peace talks that it has been pushing for.

14. America and Isreal who started the war together, are now at loggerheads.

I could go on, but these are just a few of the UNDISPUTABLE facts.

Majority of Americans are not in support of the war, yet you from a country described by Trump as a "shithole" are still here supporting it,- even though the war almost doubled fuel prices in your country.and you are paying more for food because of it.

Robert Kagan , a senior fellow in the Brookings Institute (one of the most influential think tanks in America stated: "this is essentially a complete victory for Iran and a significant loss for the United States".

These are people.who are more.informed than most on these topics, but you want me take your own assurance based on specualtions about the midterms? Like I said, you're very funny.

You are the one very funny, actually COMPARING US to Iran. What lesson did Iran learn? They started laying mines in Hormuz years ago, so it's not like this war taught them that.

You're fund of posting this conjectural list everywhere. Everything you posted is reversible - example, same alies are praising Trump for the Iran deal. And you forget Trump (or any president after him) can still obliterate Iran and by then there'll no longer be midterms or Hormuz as deterance!
So here is an OBJECTIVE list of actual permanent (Not "maybe" losses:

Before the war Ayatollah and all the top echelons who perpetrated torture on civilians, and their potential successors, were alive.

Before the war 6000 Iranian soldiers were alive.

Before the war Iran had Navy, Airforce, and air defence.

Before the war trillions in Iranian infrastructure were not destroyed.

Before the war Iranian economy was not destroyed and in deep depression, now it is.

Before the war Iran didn't have highest inflation rate since 1940's (200%)

Before the war Iran had nuclear in mind, now the furthest thing from their mind is nuclear weapons.

Before the war US was NOT the highest oil exporter in the world, now it is.

Before the war US core inflation rate was 2.5%, now it is 2.9%. See it below

Before the war, no one thought a country would engage in the terrorist act of attacking uninvolved commercial ships at sea. Now it'd be dealt with and SOLVED like other potential terrorist acts.

US is granting ACCESS to Iran to their frozen funds, NOT directly releasing money to them to buy whatever they wish. The money is paid to third party suppliers, which in most cases is US!

Now that it is known Iran can go so low, Gulf state countries' defense systems will now be upgraded so they'd be Iran-proof like those ships used for blockade - and they now know they'd have to contribute substantially instead of just going around being extremely rich!

US learnt a lot from the war and will be incorporating these lessons into their defense structure going forward (and they have excess money to do it). Iran will be struggling to get back to where they were before the war.

US made a lot money because oil prices went up. Iran lost a lot of money because they couldn't sell their oil!
https://www.nairaland.com/8685540/red-meat-dream-iran-inflation

QuinQ:
HOW did US lose?? Do you know how much they'd be willing to pay for the lessons they learnt from ths war - worth much more than anything they lost in the war except human life.
Already they now have a corridor through Oman that bypasses Iran's part of Hormuz. Add to that, Gulf States' extreme wealth will now be spent to make them Iran-proof!

As for petroleum reserve, CNN stupid propaganda. US has excess oil. The reserve is just to stabilize world oil prices. Out of over 400 million in the reserve they have sold not even up to 9 million!

You're quoting Trump for me as evidence. You must be a joker.

Please dont bother responding again because i PROMISE not to read it, and i MAY block you for good.

Good night.

TheGift:
You're quoting Trump for me as evidence. You must be a joker.

Please dont bother responding again because i PROMISE not to read it, and i MAY block you for good.

Good night.

Can you please tell us one thing he said that's not true.

While at it also tell us what PURPOSE blocking someone serves?? The most STUPID thing ever created. Do you speak to everyone on NL? Same way you don't speak to others u stop responding to the person and they'll stop posting you - unless it is a really crazed troll!

Assuming I block you now what does that mean?
Infact I'll block you just to see how this works

Expanse2020:
In war zone 🤔
Are you guys watching the TV at all
🤣🤣🤣 You guys heart has been blinded óò

When the table turn and it reaches you then you guys will know how it is...

Shey bi is one of you who said isreal should killed everybody in Gaza and when america later killed his only son he now know how it feels

What is this weasel saying kill whose only son?