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To understand that foundational logia, you have remember that the verse was documented in Koine Greek.
With that established, you'll understand what the word is.

RealityKings1:
To understand that foundational logia, you have remember that the verse was documented in Koine Greek.
With that established, you'll understand what the word is.

But Jesus didn't speak Koine Greek?

AntiChristian:
But Jesus didn't speak Koine Greek?

Everything does not have to be logical, before it can be possible. You do not need logic for things to become possible

AntiChristian:
1. The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.
It can be derived from the above that: The Word was with God.The Word was also God. So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!
2. But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

Wrong! The only way a simple mind could derive this from what is written in the first chapter of the Gospel of John is if that mind proceeded to abandon all that had previously been laid down of the same YHWH in the Old Law and the Prophets. Before the arrival of the Gospels, all of the Old Law and the Prophets had already provided a near-complete image of YHWH for those who are of Him to know and see that YHWH is not some being that can be split apart in the way you attempt there. The Gospels were founded on top of what was already laid down before it by Moses and the Prophets.

2. Anyways, the answer to this is pretty simple. Where was the spirit of Allah of Islam when the Allah of Islam was said to have breathed his spirit into the vagina of Mariam in Quran At-Tahrim(66) vs 12 to birth the one referred to as the word of Allah of Islam? Did the spirit of the Allah of Islam remain on earth inside of Mariam and then the child all that time? Where was the Quran of Allah, also known as the word of Allah, during the time that Isa of Islam walked the earth? Was the Allah of Islam on earth while his Quran was not, or what exactly was going on?

AntiChristian:
➜But Jesus didn't speak Koine Greek?

Where is your evidence of this?

Jesus Christ of Israel is reported to have spoken to a centurion, some of the wives of Roman officials, and also to Pilate. He is also recorded to have read from the Septuagint that was in the Temple/Synagogue on more than one occasion. So, how could he, a Judean, born after the Greeks had colonized his land for over 200 years, not speak the language of the Greeks, the major language--Lingua Franca--- in the land at the time?

RealityKings1:
To understand that foundational logia, you have remember that the verse was documented in Koine Greek.
With that established, you'll understand what the word is.

That means nothing. It's like telling me today that in order to understand the writings of Plato regarding Socrates, I must first understand the Greek language, which makes no sense.

Kobojunkie:
That means nothing. It's like telling me today that in order to understand the writings of Plato regarding Socrates, I must first understand the Greek language, which makes no sense.

Good evening ma, that sincerely makes sense

RealityKings1:
➜Good evening ma, that sincerely makes sense

Religion tries so hard to limit understanding to language(some go as far as to pretend some languages have divine connotatiions) but we all know that is bullsheet. None of the books of Israelite Scripture(including the Apocryphal texts) suggest that there is only one language to the YHWH of Israel.

I was born into a Christian family. Although my dad was a staunched traditionalist(a Retired General that believed in the customs of his ancestors)but during the later period of his life, he converted fully to Christianity.
The rest of my family happened to be Christians.
My decision to leave the Christian Religion is borne out of my experience in Mountain Of Fire, prayer city in Ogun State.
I was scheduled for a Liver transplant surgery and a friend recommended i go to Mountain Of Fire, Prayer City at Ibafo Ogun State to fast and pray until the day of the surgery.
I spent weeks in an hotel outside before i learnt they have cheap accommodation inside the place. I went to inspect and was pleased with the arrangements. It reminded me of my few years in the army barrack.
Bunk bed rooms with other Christians of supposedly similar faith. So i went for it and decided to proceed from the camp. I learnt a lot, even more than my last five years put together.
From my observation , sincere and uncoated observation, i learnt that the place is full of people that need mental care rather than prayers. So many people behaving abnormally.
My first week there, more than 10 phones got stolen in that hostel. Someone would just steal phone in the middle of the night and that is the end. At one time, a porter(the supervisor) was even accused of it, which of cause is true because he only said he took the phone to secure it for the owner that was reckless.
Secondly, i tried to mingle with some of the people there. My association with these people made me to realise that there are more charlatans in suite than robbers with guns.
How can a sane person see extortion of funds from miracle seekers in the camp as a means of livelihood. These men would approach people, mostly women and mind hooked them into believing they are there to help them spiritually at a price. And strangely, they are really making money. A full documentary of hell can be done in that camp.
I don't even want to talk about the Charlatans. what about the staffs ?. The hostel(Emmanuel hall) porter supervisor, an Edo man that is always boasting to be there for more than 10 years would make you weep if u see how he talked to lodgers.
He acts like a mental patient. In fact, am just being kind by calling him that. He talks to elderly men with no respect and shout at them as if he is their father. He does as he wants and runs the place with personal vendetta against lodgers just because the lodge fee is cheap(1k).
Someone there told me that after he came back from midnight prayer at the auditorium, he went back to his lodge only to be faced with the so called supervisor that wanted to fight him because he cautioned him against insulting him. He went to a room full of pastors and with lots of empty beds, and explained to them around 4 to 5am but they insisted he sleeps under the rain, rather than use any of the empty beds.
I will take my time to write more about my experience there. But just know this, it is not a place to be at all. Full of mental patients in suites and those that are in denial of their true problems.
That place discouraged my faith and even after i left, i still wake up in the night to ponder on how i tried to mess my mind up living with these people.
If you're looking for God, please take this from me, "God is not in prayer city MFM"
I found fellowship with the Muslims community in Abuja. And I have communicated my desire to some of them. They welcomed me and we broke bread together(ate together) as it should be.
I learnt a lot from Islam. So so much

@ Ushame, I am irreligious and believe all religions are scams with which your gods-of-men/imams use as a tool in enriching themselves with; therefore I am not particularly concerned about your experience within religion. What caught my attention is your claim that you learnt a lot from Islam. And I am wondering if you could expound on that bit here for all to know what it is you really know of Islam.

AntiChristian:
The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.

It can be derived from the above that:

The Word was with God.

The Word was also God.

So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!

But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

You've abandoned the topic you created on Trinity after which I opened wide your 🧠

Have you ever read two Gods written down in Bible to represent Jehovah or Jesus?

Word and Spirit are both with the father. Word become flesh, we see the word with our eyes. Spirit is unseen!

IslamVIRGINS:
You've abandoned the topic you created on Trinity after which I opened wide your 🧠

Have you ever read two Gods written down in Bible to represent Jehovah or Jesus?

Word and Spirit are both with the father. Word become flesh, we see the word with our eyes. Spirit is unseen!

But one is sitting on the throne and Jesus is at his right side!

Psalm 110:1: "The LORD says to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.'"
Mark 16:19: "So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Kobojunkie:
Where is your evidence of this?

Jesus Christ of Israel is reported to have spoken to a centurion, some of the wives of Roman officials, and also to Pilate. He is also recorded to have read from the Septuagint that was in the Temple/Synagogue on more than one occasion. So, how could he, a Judean, born after the Greeks that colonized his land for over 200 years, not speak the language of the Greeks, the major language--Lingua Franca--- in the land at the time?

I meant it was never his first language. Not all those one-off conversations with foreigners!

RealityKings1:
Everything does not have to be logical, before it can be possible. You do not need logic for things to become possible

Logic is needed in reality! At least to an extent!

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The only way a simple mind could derive this from what is written in the first chapter of the Gospel of John is if that mind proceeded to abandon all that had previously been laid down of the same YHWH in the Old Law and the Prophets. Before the arrival of the Gospels, all of the Old Law and the Prophets had already provided a near-complete image of YHWH for those who are of Him to know and see that YHWH is not some being that can be split apart in the way you attempt there. The Gospels were founded on top of what was already laid down before it by Moses and the Prophets.

Who told you the writer of John had all the Books of the old testament in his brain before writing his book?

2. Anyways, the answer to this is pretty simple. Where was the spirit of Allah of Islam when the Allah of Islam was said to have breathed his spirit into the vagina of Mariam in Quran At-Tahrim(66) vs 12 to birth the one referred to as the word of Allah of Islam? Did the spirit of the Allah of Islam remain on earth inside of Mariam and then the child all that time? Where was the Quran of Allah, also known as the word of Allah, during the time that Isa of Islam walked the earth? Was the Allah of Islam on earth while his Quran was not, or what exactly was going on?

Allah has no spirit except the one created for humans! What you are ignorant of is that Islam regard this spirit you talk about as "soul". It is the same soul every other humans have breathed into them around 120 days as the Prophet told us in hadith. So Allah made the spirit/soul for His creation! The Qur'an has always being in the inscribed Book Lahl Al-Mahfooz with Allah.

You are ignorant!

There are actually many gods,but only one creator of all. ALL POWERS both in heaven and on earth RESIDES with him. it is the system of naming this creator GOD that is different. This is to be expected as there are "a thousand and one" languages spoken round the world.

How ever, there are lesser gods/deities which are often refers to as the "sons of GOD" also exist and humans often approach GOD through them. The yorubas calls them ORISHA.

So,
Olodumare is the yoruba name for Chineke of the igbos same as the Osalobua of the Binis.

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AntiChristian:
✓ Who told you the writer of John had all the Books of the old testament in his brain before writing his book?

1. Lol...The author was a first-century Israelite who lived in the land of Judea before the End of Days. He was also a disciple of Jesus Christ of Israel, whose teachings are based on the Law and the Prophets of Israel, which you refer to as the Old Testament. 🥱🥱

AntiChristian:
➜Allah has no spirit except the one created for humans! What you are ignorant of is that Islam regard this spirit you talk about as "soul". It is the same soul every other humans have breathed into them around 120 days as the Prophet told us in hadith. So Allah made the spirit/soul for His creation!
➜ The Qur'an has always being in the inscribed Book Lahl Al-Mahfooz with Allah. You are ignorant!

Why this runaround? Did you not understand the question? Are you insinuating that every time a new life is created, a new spirit/soul is formed from nothing -- the rhu of the Allah of Islam only comes into existence the moment a soul is needed--- by Allah of Islam? Where is Allah of Islam's spirit or soul after he imbued Isa of Islam with his spirit? Did the spirit/soul/breath of Allah cease -- to be remade again with the next human to be created -- or what?

2. What does this statement mean? Does it mean the Quran was always with Allah of Islam even before the word of Allah of Islam was born in Isa of Islam? Does this mean the Quran of Islam was with Allah of Islam even before it was given to Islam through Mohammed, and remains with Allah of Islam afterwards? 🤔

AntiChristian:
➜I meant it was never his first language. Not all those one-off conversations with foreigners!

Foreigners? The Greeks colonized Judea for almost 200 years. At least 3 generations of Judeas were born speaking Greek and their native language; nothing foreign to them about that. The Septuagint was even written in the Greek language so that more Judeas could access and read it. 🤔

After the Romans came in, they retained communication with their captors in the Greek language. So, what in the world do you mean by conversation with foreigners? 🤔

What you are insinuating is like suggesting that even after about only 100 years of British colonization, Nigerians still only use the English language for one-off conversations with foreigners. Does that make sense? 🤔

AntiChristian:
The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.

It can be derived from the above that:

The Word was with God.

The Word was also God.

So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!

But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

God is four, God is tetramagaton, the four horns of the alter,

The happy family,

Father, mother, son and daughter

The 47th problem, the masonic triangle, the eye of Providence, the eye of illumination.

How dark ignorance doeth blind us- William Blake

The forty seven poems of William Blake.

Seek wisdom seek her as silver atomic no 47

47 is the liberty code, it is the freedom code, it is the fourth of July.

The secret of secrets of the Mona Lisa, that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are in fact both one and the same person.

Two halves of the same soul. Two hearts beating as one.

Christ and Sophia rosé 🌹

Forever sealed in the heavenly Akashic records.

Back to the seven mountains where the LovePeddler sitteth.

The seven lost kingdoms of Atlantis before it fell

AntiChristian:
But one is sitting on the throne and Jesus is at his right side!

Psalm 110:1: "The LORD says to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.'"
Mark 16:19: "So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

You don't answer this 👇

Have you ever read two Gods written down in Bible to represent Jehovah or Jesus? Don't stress yourself in answering this, just type YES or NO

After you answer the above question, then I will response to this, "But one is sitting on the throne and Jesus is at his right side"!

Tboy222:
God is four, God is tetramagaton, the four horns of the alter,

The happy family,

Father, mother, son and daughter

The 47th problem, the masonic triangle, the eye of Providence, the eye of illumination.

How dark ignorance doeth blind us- William Blake

The forty seven poems of William Blake.

Seek wisdom seek her as silver atomic no 47

47 is the liberty code, it is the freedom code, it is the fourth of July.

The secret of secrets of the Mona Lisa, that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are in fact both one and the same person.

Two halves of the same soul. Two hearts beating as one.

Christ and Sophia rosé 🌹

Forever sealed in the heavenly Akashic records.

Back to the seven mountains where the LovePeddler sitteth.

The seven lost kingdoms of Atlantis before it fell

Effects of not taking your medicines 💊 as and when due!

IslamVIRGINS:
You don't answer this 👇

Have you ever read two Gods written down in Bible to represent Jehovah or Jesus? Don't stress yourself in answering this, just type YES or NO

After you answer the above question, then I will response to this, "But one is sitting on the throne and Jesus is at his right side"!

Throughout the Bible "the Lord our God is one" has always been emphasized. There's no three in one Gods anywhere!

Abeg na Christians i dey refer to!

Tboy222:
God is four, God is tetramagaton, the four horns of the alter,

The happy family,

Father, mother, son and daughter

The 47th problem, the masonic triangle, the eye of Providence, the eye of illumination.

How dark ignorance doeth blind us- William Blake

The forty seven poems of William Blake.

Seek wisdom seek her as silver atomic no 47

47 is the liberty code, it is the freedom code, it is the fourth of July.

The secret of secrets of the Mona Lisa, that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are in fact both one and the same person.

Two halves of the same soul. Two hearts beating as one.

Christ and Sophia rosé 🌹

Forever sealed in the heavenly Akashic records.

Back to the seven mountains where the LovePeddler sitteth.

The seven lost kingdoms of Atlantis before it fell

Kobojunkie:
Foreigners? The Greeks colonized Judea for almost 200 years. At least 3 generations of Judeas were born speaking Greek and their native language; nothing foreign to them about that. The Septuagint was even written in the Greek language so that more Judeas could access and read it. 🤔

After the Romans came in, they retained communication with their captors in the Greek language. So, what in the world do you mean by conversation with foreigners? 🤔

What you are insinuating is like suggesting that even after about only 100 years of British colonization, Nigerians still only use the English language for one-off conversations with foreigners. Does that make sense? 🤔

Greek was common among Jews in the time of Jesus, especially outside of strictly Jewish religious contexts.
Jesus likely spoke Aramaic primarily but probably had some knowledge of Greek.
The extent of Jesus' fluency in Greek is uncertain but likely sufficient for basic communication.
Communication with foreigners means Jesus communicating with the Romans! Was Jesus speaking Greek to his disciples, the Sadducees and Pharisees or those thousands he met on the way?

And you can't use Nigeria as a point of reference as traditional religion still retains their language! An Ifa man will always render the incantations in Yoruba and never English!

Kobojunkie:
Why this runaround? Did you not understand the question? Are you insinuating that every time a new life is created, a new spirit/soul is formed from nothing -- the rhu of the Allah of Islam only comes into existence the moment a soul is needed--- by Allah of Islam? Where is Allah of Islam's spirit or soul after he imbued Isa of Islam with his spirit? Did the spirit/soul/breath of Allah cease -- to be remade again with the next human to be created -- or what?

The created souls are with Allah and will be directed wherever He wills. We do not know their origin; only Allah knows. What is clear is that Allah created the human soul (Ruh), which enters the fetus at around 120 days of gestation. Allah does not need a soul (Ruh) Himself to exist. The Ruh is His creation, given to His servants to enable their existence. All souls are created and are with Allah.

2. What does this statement mean? Does it mean the Quran was always with Allah of Islam even before the word of Allah of Islam was born in Isa of Islam? Does this mean the Quran of Islam was with Allah of Islam even before it was given to Islam through Mohammed, and remains with Allah of Islam afterwards? 🤔

In our belief, the Quran is considered the eternal word of Allah. We understand that the Quran, as the speech (Kalām) of Allah, has existed with Allah eternally, even before it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. This means that the Quran was with Allah before it was sent down to humanity through Muhammad and remains with Allah afterward.

This concept emphasizes that the Quran is not a created text in the usual sense but is the uncreated, eternal speech of Allah, revealed by His will at the appropriate time. The physical written and recited Quran appeared in the world through Prophet Muhammad, but its essence is believed to have always existed with Allah.

Kobojunkie:
1. Lol...The author was a first-century Israelite who lived in the land of Judea before the End of Days. He was also a disciple of Jesus Christ of Israel, whose teachings are based on the Law and the Prophets of Israel, which you refer to as the Old Testament. 🥱🥱

And He wrote the Book of John between 6 - 8 decades after Jesus! How about you writing what happened about 60-80 years ago!

Pray he'll probably answer you ... understanding is human limitations

AntiChristian:
✓ Greek was common among Jews in the time of Jesus, especially outside of strictly Jewish religious contexts.
✓ Jesus likely spoke Aramaic primarily but probably had some knowledge of Greek.
The extent of Jesus' fluency in Greek is uncertain but likely sufficient for basic communication.
✓ Communication with foreigners means Jesus communicating with the Romans! Was Jesus speaking Greek to his disciples, the Sadducees and Pharisees or those thousands he met on the way?
✓ And you can't use Nigeria as a point of reference as traditional religion still retains their language! An Ifa man will always render the incantations in Yoruba and never English!

1. The literal Scriptures that was circulated and read across synagogues and in administrative halls at the time, the Septuigant, was written in Greek. What in the world are you harping on about? 🥱🥱

2. Stop making stuff up and use your brains a bit more than not. He read the scriptures to the people in the Greek language and probably conversed among those in the t
Synagogues and temples in Greek. That He came from a town where the people likely spoke Aramaic DOES NOT mean he went around speaking Aramaic to all he encountered. 🥱🥱

Do you speak your village language to everyone you meet when you are out and about? 🥱

2. Wrong! Communication with foreigners likely also means communication with anyone outside of those who were born in his birth village including some among his disciples. 🥱

3. Wrong! Jesus Christ of Israel was not a religionist; as a matter of fact he railed against those who abandoned the Law of the land to pursue religion. The Scriptures that existed even at his time was regarded as the book of the Law and the Prophet and it was circulated in the Greek language. 🥱

AntiChristian:
And He wrote the Book of John between 6 - 8 decades after Jesus! How about you writing what happened about 60-80 years ago!

Huh? What are you high on? 🥱

The book was written before 70AD, likely before Paul was shipped off to Rome, and also before the book of Revelation was written. And we all know that Jesus Christ of Israel died around 31AD. So, where did you get this 6-8 decades after Jesus Christ of Israel nonsense from? 🥱

AntiChristian:
✓ The created souls are with Allah and will be directed wherever He wills. We do not know their origin; only Allah knows. What is clear is that Allah created the human soul (Ruh), which enters the fetus at around 120 days of gestation. Allah does not need a soul (Ruh) Himself to exist. The Ruh is His creation, given to His servants to enable their existence. All souls are created and are with Allah.
✓ In our belief, the Quran is considered the eternal word of Allah. We understand that the Quran, as the speech (Kalām) of Allah, has existed with Allah eternally, even before it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. This means that the Quran was with Allah before it was sent down to humanity through Muhammad and remains with Allah afterward.
This concept emphasizes that the Quran is not a created text in the usual sense but is the uncreated, eternal speech of Allah, revealed by His will at the appropriate time. The physical written and recited Quran appeared in the world through Prophet Muhammad, but its essence is believed to have always existed with Allah.

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So, Allah of Islam has like Billions of previously created Ruh/souls sitting around with him since the beginning of creation? Are you for real? 🤔

2. Quran of Allah shares eternal(divine) essence of Allah of Islam and exists eternally with Allah of Islam in his version of heaven at the same time existing here on earth in the form of words transmitted by word of mouth and then eventually penned downed many years after Mohammed. And Islamist all believe that violating the copy of the Quran here on earth is tantamount to abusing the Quran that lives someone is Islamist heaven with their Allah of Islam. 🤔

AntiChristian:
The writer of John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning...John 1:1-2.

It can be derived from the above that:

The Word was with God.

The Word was also God.

The best illustration is the story of Adam & Eve.

Note: the name EVE didn't come onboard until the fall.

So, let's take it this way

In the garden was the woman, and the woman was with Man and the woman was Man

What comes to your mind here?

So there were two Gods namely, The God and the Word!

No! Just one but you'll understand this better if you understand the above illustration.

But where was the Holy Spirit (as the third God) when the Word was with God?

Holy Spirit is God. Reason why John used God and not the Father.