₦airaland Forum

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.

And I think your concern is valid, and such misuse must be legislated against before setting up state police.

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

That would be the death of Biafra

Isobug:
You can only argue this because you want to use it to further perpetuate your evil propaganda against South East. Of course everything done in Nigeria, you guys must find somewhere to use it to be devil the South East. You and I know what a typical Governor in Nigeria is capable of doing including your own state that you want to stylishly exonorate.
Meanwhile, in as much as I have try to give you some reasons for that, I myself have not seen where they say igbos are against it. For instance below is an igboman speaking good about it
https://www.nairaland.com/8698157/state-police-biggest-security-reform#139829468

If you think carefully you will see you are the evil person. Nobody is stopping you from having state police in your state then why exactly do you want to stop others? Because Lagos is a no man's land? Are you looking for an opportunity to wipe off the Yoruba from Lagos?

WE NDI IGBO ALWAYS SEE THE BAD SIDE OF EVRY POLICY AND EVERY BAD GOVERNMENT AHEAD OF ALL OF UNA.

But una dey always like to learn the hard way.

We go dey here when una lamentation over state police go start.

Unscrupulous elements would create a topic and accuse a whole region or tribe of baseless issue just to get clowns like himself masturbathing.

Don't go and rescue the little children in your forests, keep on getting headache because of SE

budaatum:
I wonder if Nigerian Police would police such states.

In fact, if I were willing to be cynical, I'd think the Federal Government is trying to reduce cost by transfering police to states. And I am concerned that some states' police might end up underfunded like schools currently are, and those unpoliced states might end up being where criminals set up base.

FG should come and change your diapers for you.

obiekunie01:
WE NDI IGBO ALWAYS SEE THE BAD SIDE OF EVRY POLICY AND EVERY BAD GOVERNMENT AHEAD OF ALL OF UNA.

But una dey always like to learn the hard way.

We go dey here when una lamentation over state police go start.

Zombiedredd , this is what I meant.

And so far everyone of you has not even provided a coherent and logical reason why you are opposed to state policing.

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

You just want to have state police in name only while still being funded and controlled by Abuja .


Your recycled excuse of governors gaining complete control of the State police is invalid as this can be addressed with the right legislation passed by your state house of assembly.

I believe you guys are not comfortable being policed by your fellow tribesmen because we know how every vigilante outfit that has been setup by your governors since the days of Bakassi boys ends up being a terror to the people they are supposed to protect.

Even your ESN and BLA freedom fighters ended up killing more Ibos by a greater magnitude than the Fulani they said they were established to engage .

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

There is nothing bad at all in Nigeria fragmenting if that is your fear. Nigeria fragmenting is the best outcome. Do you have any other fear apart from that?

budaatum:
I wonder if Nigerian Police would police such states.

In fact, if I were willing to be cynical, I'd think the Federal Government is trying to reduce cost by transfering police to states. And I am concerned that some states' police might end up underfunded like schools currently are, and those unpoliced states might end up being where criminals set up base.

A reasonable person who is committed to state autonomy and restructuring back to full federalism would demand that states keep half of the revenue generated in their states to meet their obligations.

But this is beyond you .

Instead you still want to be going to the stream with basket to fetch water

The Ironsi centrist system is the bane of all our problems and until we unbundle the Federal govt to it's barest bearable minimum and concentrate powers back to the individual federating units , we can not move on as a Nation.

Everything wrong in and with Nigeria today can be traced to the 1999 constitution and concentration of powers to the FG .

Your state governors should get off their asses and start doing what they are elected to do which is to provide security and much needed development .

Maybe if they did their job for once , these your Abuja contractors cum politicians would have made your region a place conducive enough for all of you to remain in and contribute further in developing it.

lawani:
There is nothing bad at all in Nigeria fragmenting if that is your fear. Nigeria fragmenting is the best outcome. Do you have any other fear apart from that?

They refuse to take responsibility in governing and policing themselves in Nigeria .

How do you think they can be expected to run a nation on their own?

Anytime I hear an Ibo man talk of Biafra , I just ignore it because they are the last people to ever consider being on their own.

DomPerignon:
They refuse to take responsibility in governing and policing themselves in Nigeria .

How do you think they can be expected to run a nation on their own?

Anytime I hear an Ibo man talk of Biafra , I just ignore it because they are the last people to ever consider being on their own.

Not all of them. I think the ones against state police are the same set saying Lagos is a no man's land. Because an Igbo that knows there is an Igbo territory different from a Yoruba territory and etc will not be against state police

FSBoperator:
FG should come and change your diapers for you.

Oh! They don't already?

I wonder how you think I survive.

FSBoperator:
FG should come and change your diapers for you.

Oh! FG don't already?

I wonder how you think I survive.

DomPerignon:
A reasonable person who is committed to state autonomy and restructuring back to full federalism would demand that states keep half of the revenue generated in their states to meet their obligations.

But this is beyond you.

You don't say!

I want every state to keep the revenue from their resources too. My state that does not produce oil should not be benefitting from the revenue of those who do. It might make us develop what we have.

Now tell me if that is beyond me too.

lawani:
Not all of them. I think the ones against state police are the same set saying Lagos is a no man's land. Because an Igbo that knows there is an Igbo territory different from a Yoruba territory will not be against state police

A vast majority are against it and it cuts across every demographic and they have a cogent reason why they are against state policing but they will not divulge it here openly.

As you have seen with all vigilante outfits set up in the SE and also the rogue ESN and BLA, they all end up being a terror to the populace.

Let me give you a brief anecdote to how the SE is by far the most self terrorising region .

I read a topic here posted years back by a member here who recounted his harrowing experience with both vigilante and the police in his village.

The OP narrated how he was forced to flee his village over threats made by his uncle to both him and his widowed mother over claims to his late father's property.

The OP related also how two of his elder siblings had died mysteriously and attributed their deaths to poisoning.

After an altercation with his uncle who had stormed his late father's house with thugs posing as vigilantes and insisted they vacate the house their father built on their grandfather's family compound, his mother had advised he go to Lagos to be with his only surviving senior brother.

On getting to Lagos, the young man hustled hard selling drinks and snacks on Lagos congested highways. He continued striving and when he had saved enough money he told his senior brother who he was squatting with that he had had enough of Lagos and wanted to return back to the village to establish his own barber shop and take care of their mother.

On getting to the village he quickly got a shop to rent and had setup his barber shop and bought one of those small generators (pass my neighbour).

When the uncle saw he was back from Lagos, the uncle connived with a policeman to set him up by claiming he was into armed robbery and had returned to set up his shop with his illicit stolen wealth.

The policeman, who happened to be from the same village , came to his shop to arrest him and seized every thing of value in his shop claiming it was items stolen or gotten from illicit wealth.

The widowed mother had to appeal to her own family to help secure her son's release after parting with a huge bribe. The police man claimed he was acting on a petition written to the DPO that the young man was part of an armed robbery gang.

After his release, the young man decided he had had enough of his village and returned back to Lagos with one ambition to bring his mother out of the village to Lagos.

Anecdotes like this are not rare but a common theme.

It's also no secret that the SE is the region where policing is based on petitions laced with false allegations .

So you should understand why they are nervous of having their own police force .

At least under the current system, a victim of their cruelty can appeal to the IG's office for intervention.

So every other thing they are saying here as an excuse why they are against state policing is all hogwash and heir greatest fear is the inevitable tyranny state police will unleash.

The young man

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

Are you taking about some people or about Ibos?

A man should be responsible and not iresponsible...

budaatum:
You don't say!

I want every state to keep the revenue from their resources too. My state that does not produce oil should not be benefitting from the revenue of those who do. It might make us develop what we have.

Now tell me if that is beyond me too.

Yes I do say and you read me clear and loudly .

When VAT issue came up, your governors did not say pim.

And before statisense began dropping data on vat revenue generation and distribution I was the lone person here making threads highlighting how SE gets more than it's fair share.

Are you also aware that SE states have been collecting more revenue from FAAC during the military era and when we returned to democracy, Obasanjo proposed a revised sharing formula for oil receipts that will see SS oil producing states getting to keep 25% that every single SE senator opposed it?

They even staged a walk out in one of the sessions and Wabara made his address on the issue by openly rejecting any proposal to give oil producing states their fair revenue by claiming "it won't benefit my people".

It was until Yaradua forced the 13% that oil producing states started benefiting from their oil wealth.

What of how SE legislators sided with the hawkish core north to oppose offshore oil and gas revenue going to coastal states ?

It took a supreme court ruling to get the FG to start paying 13% derivative to coastal states . That money is what has transformed Akwa Ibom which did not have any onshore oil and gas fields but had all oil installations concentrated offshore .

It was when the SE saw oil producing states getting money that they approached Jonathan to grant indigenous oil producers licences to start drilling in their region.

So my friend don't talk as if the SE has ever been an advocate for fiscal autonomy and resource control for states.

DomPerignon:
A vast majority are against it and it cuts across every demographic and they have a cogent reason why they are against state policing but they will not divulge it here openly.

As you have seen with all vigilante outfits set up in the SE and also the rogue ESN and BLA, they all end up being a terror to the populace.

Let me give you a brief anecdote to how the SE is by far the most self terrorising region .

I read a topic here posted years back by a member here who recounted his harrowing experience with both vigilante and the police in his village.

The OP narrated how he was forced to flee his village over threats made by his uncle to both him and his widowed mother over claims to his late father's property.

The OP related also how two of his elder siblings had died mysteriously and attributed their deaths to poisoning.

After an altercation with his uncle who had stormed his late father's house with thugs posing as vigilantes and insisted they vacate the house their father built on their grandfather's family compound, his mother had advised he go to Lagos to be with his only surviving senior brother.

On getting to Lagos, the young man hustled hard selling drinks and snacks on Lagos congested highways. He continued striving and when he had saved enough money he told his senior brother who he was squatting with that he had had enough of Lagos and wanted to return back to the village to establish his own barber shop and take care of their mother.

On getting to the village he quickly got a shop to rent and had setup his barber shop and bought one of those small generators (pass my neighbour).

When the uncle saw he was back from Lagos, the uncle connived with a policeman to set him up by claiming he was into armed robbery and had returned to set up his shop with his illicit stolen wealth.

The policeman, who happened to be from the same village , came to his shop to arrest him and seized every thing of value in his shop claiming it was items stolen or gotten from illicit wealth.

The widowed mother had to appeal to her own family to help secure her son's release after parting with a huge bribe. The police man claimed he was acting on a petition written to the DPO that the young man was part of an armed robbery gang.

After his release, the young man decided he had had enough of his village and returned back to Lagos with one ambition to bring his mother out of the village to Lagos.

Anecdotes like this are not rare but a common theme.

It's also no secret that the SE is the region where policing is based on petitions laced with false allegations .

So you should understand why they are nervous of having their own police force .

At least under the current system, a victim of their cruelty can appeal to the IG's office for intervention.

So every other thing they are saying here as an excuse why they are against state policing is all hogwash and heir greatest fear is the inevitable tyranny state police will unleash.

The young man

I can give you examples of similar things happening in the SW that I have heard of. The main reason most of those against state police among them are doing so is the reason I stated. They also believe erroneously they are the most dispersed in the country when they are the third most dispersed behind both the Yoruba and the Hausa

lawani:
I can give you examples of similar things happening in the SW that I have heard of. The main reason most of those against state police among them are doing so is the reason I stated. They also believe erroneously they are the most dispersed in the country when they are the third most dispersed behind both the Yoruba and the Hausa

SE has shown severally that any form of self policing leads to tyranny.

There's a reason why the most notorious police division was located in Anambra as per SARS division.

When the horrors of Akwuzu SARS started seeping in during the Endsars riots, they were all up for arms and were pushing that the station was headed and filled with northern Muslim policemen.

But when it was revealed that the division was headed by a fellow ibo man and that virtually all men under him were Ibos , they lost their voice .

[quote author=budaatum post=139831315][/quote]Why did you delete this post?

DomPerignon:
Yes I do say and you read me clear and loudly .

When VAT issue came up, your governors did not say pim.

And before statisense began dropping data on vat revenue generation and distribution I was the lone person here making threads highlighting how SE gets more than it's fair share.

Are you also aware that SE states have been collecting more revenue from FAAC during the military era and when we returned to democracy, Obasanjo proposed a revised sharing formula for oil receipts that will see SS oil producing states getting to keep 25% that every single SE senator opposed it?

They even staged a walk out in one of the sessions and Wabara made his address on the issue by openly rejecting any proposal to give oil producing states their fair revenue by claiming "it won't benefit my people".

It was until Yaradua forced the 13% that oil producing states started benefiting from their oil wealth.

What of how SE legislators sided with the hawkish core north to oppose offshore oil and gas revenue going to coastal states ?

It took a supreme court ruling to get the FG to start paying 13% derivative to coastal states . That money is what has transformed Akwa Ibom which did not have any onshore oil and gas fields but had all oil installations concentrated offshore .

It was when the SE saw oil producing states getting money that they approached Jonathan to grant indigenous oil producers licences to start drilling in their region.

So my friend don't talk as if the SE has ever been an advocate for fiscal autonomy and resource control for states.

Focus should now be on making the SE know they have been taking more than their fair share by far from Nigeria which they should see as compensation for their people that died during the war until it ends. They have been taking this money since Nigeria came into existence

DomPerignon:
So my friend don't talk as if the SE has ever been an advocate for fiscal autonomy and resource control for states.

I never mentioned which states "advocate for fiscal autonomy and resource control for states", and your assumption that I am talking about SE states is just that, an assumption. And it makes you create points to argue with that I have not pointed.

I myself am advocating for fiscal autonomy and resource control for states. My Osun State should not be reaping where it does not sow, and states that sow should be able to reap where they sow.

A state that produces oil should not be feeding Nigeria. And I don't expect it is state governors alone who would oppose my advocation. The federal government will oppose it too as they'd lose their financial power, which would personally delight me.

DomPerignon:
Why did you delete this post?

Because it was a repeat post.

DomPerignon:
SE has shown severally that any form of self policing leads to tyranny.

There's a reason why the most notorious police division was located in Anambra as per SARS division.

When the horrors of Akwuzu SARS started seeping in during the Endsars riots, they were all up for arms and were pushing that the station was headed and filled with northern Muslim policemen.

But when it was revealed that the division was headed by a fellow ibo man and that virtually all men under him were Ibos , they lost their voice .

They have not even produced their fair share of high profile robbers in Nigeria. What they have is just a higher crime rate which can be made up of mundane crimes that are non violent.

They will have their own police though not by force

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

You oppositions especially Obidients are just confused.

You people were condemning this guy before the creation of this state police as if it’s easy like that and I even remember in May answering one of you that state police will come to reality very soon because this man knows what he is doing ten times more than that Obi you people are shouting.

Now that the state police has almost come to reality it’s not good again abi??

Confused lots. Mtcheew.

budaatum:
Below is one reason.

State police will be under state governors which would enable their misuse, while regional provides oversight.

Is Regional government recognized under the law?