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Ajaludaogidi:
People will soon realize what is meant by THE ART AND F THE DEAL. Underestimate Trump at your own peril.

Hope you know that book was written by A Ghost Writer for Trump.

Trump has never been good at making deals. He inherited His wealth and has had Six Bankruptcies and several failed companies.

He is already a failure in Iran. And an embarassment to the United States.

TheGift:
Hope you know that book was written by A Ghost Writer for Trump.

Trump has never been good at making deals. He inherited His wealth and has had Six Bankruptcies and several failed companies.

He is already a failure in Iran. And an embarassment to the United States.

Trump is a F**l but he did become a billionaire while his father was a millionaire. And the book was his narration as to how he put together deals

RodgersAkpafu:
As long as the IRGC is in charge

Its gonna be the same thing


And like someone rightly asked, what is it with you guys and "western values"

What you mean to say js liberal values /liberty, but that is not the exclusive preserve of white folks

I agree that they’re liberal values but the west is the pioneer.

What people do not understand is the west was once barbaric, they were barbarians, be it the saxons, Danes or Vikings all savages, but they realized that love for God and humanity was the greatest good and made laws accordingly.
So when I meet people that say they oppose western imperialism or ideologies my next question is what do you embrace? Despotism? Authoritarianism? Subjugation? Because that’s the opposite of liberalism.

erniok:
Ignore them. US was never at war with Iran as Congress never approved any war. Bibi played Trump big time.

Hmmmm .but USA dey bomb and killed 168 children
See how u dey justify your lost
USA never at war 😂
Iran was also play chess too

Baxilexi:
I’d say let’s wait and see if indeed this crop of IRGC leaders get the money.

Also, if the money will empower a moderate group with more pro-western values then I subscribe to it. After all Qatari funds spread pro-Palestine/sharia ideologies across American universities so if there’s a similar strategy then yes.

You do not understand Trump. Fools out there thought that it was about Israel, the truth is that Trump couldn't give two shits about Israel. Going to war against Iran showed up a weakness that neither U.S. or Israel anticipated. The Strait of Hormuz. Both Trump and Netanyahu were completely blindsided by Iran's ability to impose complete control over that water way. This sweet-heart deal that Trump has given to Iran is really move to buy a new ally, and that ally is going to be Iran. Iran showed the U.S. how to monetize the Strait of Hormuz, and U.S. just wants in on the business. That $300 billion is coming from the Strait of Hormuz.

owagbeba:
Why must they have pro western values? What happened to Iranian values? Why can’t a nation have her own values and not look towards the west for values?

Look at what western values have done to us? We are encouraged to save our wealth in their countries, build our dreams in their countries, so we end up with a generation of Nigerians and leadership who have absolutely no value for Nigerian values.

We are encourage to be lesbians/homos, chastised if we defend our values. Sex annd hook up is a fad… no longer ann abomination. Nothing wrong with baby mama annd baby papa. Our women go around with fake hairs gotten from India and Bangladesh… and we call it Brazilian and proud of it.

What is wrong with a nation holding onto her good values and shunning those values from outside that corrode us?!

If I get you right, the western value forces men to be gay, women to be lesbian, government officials to steal and our women to wear fake hair. And your solution is fatality for anyone who engages in such. For instilling such lethal punishment will serve as a deterrent.

Well, a value, or norm is a collectively agreed upon moral code of conduct. In Afghanistan, one of the most conservative countries on earth boys are dressed as women to entertain men. In Iran, girls who don’t conform to Islamic teachings are condemned to be raped as they are considered outcasts. Japan has one of the highest prostitution rates in the world and it’s basically normalized, but people vilify the west for only fans.

So if you choose to align with the ethos of behavioral psychology you’ll come to find that human perversions and profligacies are the same everywhere in the world. The west only chose to respect it while others are in denial.

In every society there will be pious folks, and otherwise but what makes them coexist are laws. Laws that bring happiness to everyone and the same punishment to everyone. An egalitarian society should be the aspiration of all and not the furtherance of so called conservative inhumane culturalism that favor a few hypocrites.

Leepeak:
Hmmmm .but USA dey bomb and killed 168 children
See how u dey justify your lost
USA never at war 😂
Iran was also play chess too

Whose loss if i may ask. The way some of una dey think need to be studied.

erniok:
Whose loss if i may ask. The way some of una dey think need to be studied.

USA lost !!!!

CanadaOrBust:
Trump is a F**l but he did become a billionaire while his father was a millionaire. And the book was his narration as to how he put together deals

Your argument is fair enough, however as.per the book, it was not a narration. Tony Schwartz, the ghost writer who mostly conceptualized and shaped the core theme of the book interviewed Trump, then did all of actual writing. That is why He got half of everything that came from the book.

Below are some quotes from Schwartz , years after he wrote the book:

1. “The ‘Art of the Deal’ was a phrase that came out of my mouth 30 years ago as a way for Trump to write an autobiography he didn’t have. It was a fake marketing idea, not a reality.”

“I regret it every day of my life.”

“I put lipstick on a pig.”

“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made Him more appealing than He is"

Go and verify

TheGift:
Your argument is fair enough, however as.per the book, it was not a narration. Tony Schwartz, the ghost writer who mostly conceptualized and shaped the core theme of the book interviewed Trump, then did all of actual writing. That is why He got half of everything that came from the book.

Below are some quotes from Schwartz , years after he wrote the book:

1. “The ‘Art of the Deal’ was a phrase that came out of my mouth 30 years ago as a way for Trump to write an autobiography he didn’t have. It was a fake marketing idea, not a reality.”

“I regret it every day of my life.”

“I put lipstick on a pig.”

“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made Him more appealing than He is"

Go and verify

Well, Tony Schwartz himself had an agenda. He said none of these things until Trump ran for president. He would have said and done ANYTHING to prevent Trump becoming president.
He said Trump was the most purely evil person he had ever met, totally lacking in empathy. This can easily be proven untrue. A big part of why Trump won't bomb Iran or commit troops was because he personally welcomed the corpses of those 13 Americans killed and met the families. That broke him. I think at heart Trump would do anything to avoid a war that would cost human lives instead of just destructing infrastructure. If he was as evil as Schwartz said he'd have simply carpet-bombed Iran regardless that they put civilians on bridges and such.

EdiskyHarry:
How Iran stood alone to fight these two nations should be studied as a course in all Western universities.
Ukraine has exposed to us that Russia is only big in African media,
Iran has exposed to us that USA is nothing without nuclear weapons

Ukraine is a country that is armed by 40+ countries that has still been wrecked by Russia.

Helinuse:


Before the war, the mouth made on Iran was too much that it was regarded as par with Russia and China. Even America took them as a formidable enemy. Little did people know that they were a group of ragtag terrorists that only depended on the tactic of "wearing out" their enemies.


This war has exposed them badly. Their only saving grace is that the region they find themselves in depends heavily on assets they can sacrifice anything for. Assets such as energy installations, refineries, rigs, and transport routes.

Even America knows very well that if they let Israel's hands loose now, Iran will be Gaza.

What are you smoking? Nobody saw Iran has anywhere near China and Russia. Iran is not close to a peer but has inflicted quite some damage on not just the US but its gulf partners. Iran War is America’s Suez confirming it’s no longer the world’s superpower anymore.

Helinuse:
Because they survived?

How about the Taliban?
Shouldn't they also be studied?
How about ISIS?
Didn't they also survive?
How about Hezbollah?
Didn't they survive?
Why should Iran be studied?

Because of survival?

The US can’t even beat a bunch of farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

Guestmale:
America is not really against Iranians but Iranian autocratic government.but Russia has been taking the war directly to the unarmed Ukrainians.

The same America that funds autocratic Saudi Arabia 😂

Helinuse:
I don't even understand you, sef.
You are too funny.


I am telling you that if the US had taken off the no-kill list, the same list that spared the life of the supreme leader in the 12-day war, there would be no IRGC today.

Too much for an "Iran superpower."

Then why don’t they do it? America is all talk. They have been bombing the hell out of the Iranians but IRGC is still intact, They replaced Khamanei with Khamanei😂. Iran closed down the strait etc

Helinuse:


There is.
We took out Osama, but that did not mean that we uprooted AlQaeda. It took some time.
We have taken out ayatollah, but that does not mean the IRGC is gone. It will take some time. But it will surely go.

What will hasten the process is only if the US loosens Israel's hands; then the process will be 50X faster.

These are minor victories. You took out Osama and AQ but stayed in Afghanistan all just to lose to them after 20 years. The same thing happened in Vietnam. America cannot even beat farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam 😂

US and Israel together cannot defeat Iran as this war has shown. They haven’t even done that much damage to Iran. The damage they have done is largely being rebuilt by Iran now.

Ajaludaogidi:
People will soon realize what is meant by THE ART AND F THE DEAL. Underestimate Trump at your own peril.

Trump has done nothing.

Sladem05:
These are minor victories. You took out Osama and AQ but stayed in Afghanistan all just to lose to them after 20 years. The same thing happened in Vietnam. America cannot even beat farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam 😂

US and Israel together cannot defeat Iran as this war has shown. They haven’t even done that much damage to Iran. The damage they have done is largely being rebuilt by Iran now.

And you are right.
They (Israel and America) will ALWAYS loose in the long run.
That is because they chose to be moral, and abide by the law.

Maybe they should treat the jeehardeest just as how they treat themselves. Maybe Israel should handle Hezbollah and Hamas, just as how the Turks handle the Kurds, and the Syrians, the. Druze. In a way that they wouldn’t even exeest to return.


The more the Israelis and Americans “play by the rules,” Talibans, Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC, etc will always reinforce, and return, stronger.

Treat them the same way they treat themselves. That is the solution.

Sladem05:
Then why don’t they do it? America is all talk. They have been bombing the hell out of the Iranians but IRGC is still intact, They replaced Khamanei with Khamanei😂. Iran closed down the strait etc

They didn’t replace any Khamenei with Khamenei bro.

They TOOK OUT the loud mouthed supreme leader. And his son took his place.

Is you think it’s all mouth, let Iran take one ship, or even one plane, and approach the US or an Israel, let’s see.
😅😅😅

Sladem05:
The US can’t even beat a bunch of farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

😅😅😅
What ever makes you happy bro.


But they took out the supreme leader of the Muslim world SUPER POWER and all his generals and nothings happened.

Not even one IDF soldier fell sick with malaria.

😅😅😅😅

Sladem05:
What are you smoking? Nobody saw Iran has anywhere near China and Russia. Iran is not close to a peer but has inflicted quite some damage on not just the US but its gulf partners. Iran War is America’s Suez confirming it’s no longer the world’s superpower anymore.

😅😅😅

Well, it’s funny that random bombing of allied nations is what you refer to as “some damage” that is worth to be called victory.

😅😅😅

Iran has always mouthed itself to be the super power of all Muslim. A place that even Turkey which is 10 times more powerful and organized does not see itself.

Moreso, if you think terrorizing an international water way is the best posturing of strength, wait until the world gets tired of you. Then you will understand what Somalia understood when the world became tired of their piracy.

Helinuse:
😅😅😅

Well, it’s funny that random bombing of allied nations is what you refer to as “some damage” that is worth to be called victory.

😅😅😅

Iran has always mouthed itself to be the super power of all Muslim. A place that even Turkey which is 10 times more powerful and organized does not see itself.

Moreso, if you think terrorizing an international water way is the best posturing of strength, wait until the world gets tired of you. Then you will understand what Somalia understood when the world became tired of their piracy.

Nobody here is suggesting that Iran is a peer or a superpower. Iran is not even close to that but the fact that the US has been unable to incapacitate Iran and has had to sign a peace deal with them is hilarious. The world’s ’superpower’ cannot even defeat a middling power like Iran.

Iran has also inflicted a lot of economic pain on the world by closing the strait which is a global chokepoint.

Helinuse:
😅😅😅
What ever makes you happy bro.


But they took out the supreme leader of the Muslim world SUPER POWER and all his generals and nothings happened.

Not even one IDF soldier fell sick with malaria.

😅😅😅😅

Like how the US replaced the Taliban with the Taliban is like how they replaced Khamanei with Khamanei. Killing the leadership did nothing but just make the country angrier. The leadership has been replaced.

Iran still maintains most of its drone capability. US and Israel did not degrade them that badly.

Sladem05:
Iran has bombed the hell out of the Middle East, hit critical US infrastructure be it tech like data centres or bases. You really think they fear America?
So what is Mojitaba surname’s?

Is not Khamanei? This guy you are a fool. The US killed Khamanei all just for his son Khamanei to replace him😂 Killing the supreme leader just angered rhe country.

Trump wanted Iran to have an unconditional surrender. That’s what he tweeted day 1 of the war. Has Iran done that no? The coping is unreal.

😅😅😅
You still dey cho.
Whether you like it or not, the Khamenei now, was NOT the supreme leader Khamenei one year ago. In fact, this one is only alive because he made it to a “no keel list.”

Secondly, no one expects a jeehardeest group to “surrender.” That is why the US has always had an issue with any war in the Middle East. Only Israel understands how to deal with them: “keep the assaaulht until they vanish.”

Boko Haram will never surrender
Azawad of Mali will never surrender
Hamas will never surrender
Hezbollah will never surrender

That is because they are not conventional armies. They are a religious army. And religion first makes a man unreasonable. They refuse to see the evidence and choose to believe the lie. So they may be loosing, but they view their loss as victory 😅. They may be dyeing, but will see it as “marttyyrdom.” Only Israel knows how to make them disappear.

Sladem05:
You are a fool.
Killing 168 kids is abiding by the rules? And that is one of countless war atrocities that the US and Israel committed over
War is a continuation of politics. It does not matter how strong your military is but whether you achieve your objectives and the US failed to do so in every encounter since 1945. America has not won a war since WW2 and that has nothing to do with whether America bends international law as it always does. The US has spent almost none of its history not in a war.

This is the same country that could not defeat a bunch of barefoot farmers that are probably illiterate and have never held a gun before despite spending 20 years each in both Afghanistan and Vietnam. America could not even cripple the Houthis. Thus, the result of the Iran War is not surprising as the power of the West and Israel has always been grossly exaggerated.

Cho Cho Cho
“US can never win…” yet they poked holes through out Tehran, and made the survivors, whom they kept alive, to “agree to a deal.”

I mean, imagine coming to my house, vanishing my father, burying my certificate in a place I can’t access again, and then making me sign a memorandum of understanding.

E make sense?

😅😅😅

Sladem05:
Like how the US replaced the Taliban with the Taliban is like how they replaced Khamanei with Khamanei. Killing the leadership did nothing but just make the country angrier. The leadership has been replaced.

Iran still maintains most of its drone capability. US and Israel did not degrade them that badly.

Oh yes, taking out the leadership has a lot to do with jeehard. It simply will mean that they will have no coordination, and therefore loose their ability to project power beyond their limited environment.


Osama was taken out, Al Qaeda vanished into fringes of the Middle East.
Baghdadi was taken out and the formidable ISIS vanished to the crevices of Syria.

And for your information: the reason why US don’t want to put boots on ground, is that they already know that the IRGC is gone. 😅😅😅

It may take some time,
They may still terorrize the high seas,
But surely, they will recede back just like AlQaeda.

Sladem05:
Nobody here is suggesting that Iran is a peer or a superpower. Iran is not even close to that but the fact that the US has been unable to incapacitate Iran and has had to sign a peace deal with them is hilarious. The world’s ’superpower’ cannot even defeat a middling power like Iran.

Iran has also inflicted a lot of economic pain on the world by closing the strait which is a global chokepoint.

Oh dear,

Everyone here was suggesting that they are the only country that can fight the US. 😅😅😅

Until Israel proved them otherwise.

And yes, Iran has terrorized the world economic system as meager pirates, just as the Somalians were doing, until the world got tired of them and put it all to an end.

For now, the world is not yet tired of Iranian piracy. When they are, no one will set boots on ground. They will just give the Kurds, the order.

😅😅😅

The fear of the world is that, no one knows what the Kurds are capable of, if they gain power. That is why even Turkey is begging US not to arm the Kurds.

Helinuse:
Oh dear,

Everyone here was suggesting that they are the only country that can fight the US. 😅😅😅

Until Israel proved them otherwise.

And yes, Iran has terrorized the world economic system as meager pirates, just as the Somalians were doing, until the world got tired of them and put it all to an end.

For now, the world is not yet tired of Iranian piracy. When they are, no one will set boots on ground. They will just give the Kurds, the order.

😅😅😅

The fear of the world is that, no one knows what the Kurds are capable of, if they gain power. That is why even Turkey is begging US not to arm the Kurds.

The world literally cannot do anything has Iran has the energy market at its bulls. Have you seen the surge in oil prices globally cause of the war? The masses cannot afford that.

America asked other countries to assist in opening the strait of Hormuz and they all rejected. Iran now charges ships to cross the strait of Hormuz. This war is America’s Suez Crisis. They cannot invade Iran either as that would be Afghanistan/Vietnam 2.0.

This war has done nothing more than hasten US decline.

Nobody is saying that they are the only country that can fight the US but that Iran is an example of another weaker power beating America😂

America likes to act like the big dog yet it picks on weaker countries and still looses.

Helinuse:
Oh yes, taking out the leadership has a lot to do with jeehard. It simply will mean that they will have no coordination, and therefore loose their ability to project power beyond their limited environment.


Osama was taken out, Al Qaeda vanished into fringes of the Middle East.
Baghdadi was taken out and the formidable ISIS vanished to the crevices of Syria.

And for your information: the reason why US don’t want to put boots on ground, is that they already know that the IRGC is gone. 😅😅😅

It may take some time,
They may still terorrize the high seas,
But surely, they will recede back just like AlQaeda.

Osama and AQ maybe gone but not the Taliban which was the whole point of the war after killing Osama. America tried and failed to extinguish the Taliban. They made the Taliban stronger.

The Taliban today control more of Afghanistan than they did pre 9/11 and NATO left lots of military equipment that the Taliban has now incorporated its into military. The Taliban were flexing American weapons in parades at the end of the war.

What you brought up was minor victories but ultimately the US lost the Afghanistan War, The same way they lost in Vietnam and like what is happening in Iran.

Iran cannot project power and lack coordination? They have bombed every gulf country and hit critical infrastructure in those region. Killing Mojitaba’s father did nothing. That just angered the people.

The US does not have the means to invade Iran whatsoever. Iran has several times the landmass and population of Afghanistan and Vietnam countries the US failed in. On top of that, the terrain and climate in Iran is not favourable for any invading force.

America cannot even defeat much smaller foes and you think US can have boots on the ground? The US cannot even take Kharg Island talkless of taking Iran. Iran’s Foreign Minister Arabbas Aragaichi when asked does Iran fear boots on the ground and he smiled saying ‘No, we are waiting for them’.

Trump would be sending troops to their grave if the US dared to put troops on the ground. America has failed against much weaker foes and they want to take on a foe like Iran? You are a dreamer.