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I have no problem with tipping. I can understand at restaurants where servers were legally paid below minimum wage and expected to make up with tips. The tips they get depended on the service they provide. bad service .. got attitude .. no tip. Then it became mandatory .. up to around 20% added to your bill like tax. no option. That I disagree with. I tip who I want to tip. And it's true.... it's all ridiculous now .. tip cup at the coffee cart.... tip cup everywhere..

A tipping experience. Used to buy lunch at times at this small restaurant .. pretty much a mama put... owner was the cook... allost always at the back cooking .. the best fried chicken. Girl in front .. place order.. she goes to the back.. collects and also serves as cashier. One day . new babe in front.. nothing new.. but this one was a hottie.. we already know what's up. Tip jar next to the cash register. normal stuff. The mini meal was $6. .. handed her a $10 bill. This hottie put the $10 bill in the tip jar and handed me $4 change from the register. I didn't had to ask why the restaurant didn't remain in business.

Kobojunkie:
1. You forget that waitressing as a job is not mandatory or forced. An individual can choose to work

2. Here are two resources to help engage you in answering the questions you have there.
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

3. That is not true. Also, tipping culture in the US came from Europe over 50 years ago.

4. Again, the work is not forced or mandatory.

Why has the restaurant business been able to get away from not paying minimum wage to their waiting staff?

The only other sector you see this arrangement is in strip clubs .

And no job is mandated on anybody.
People work because they need to earn a living.

I am sure 99.9% of waiting staff will not hesitate to quit their jobs if they could get a better job that has a guaranteed income by the end of the day.

Most waiters/waitresses who remain waiting tables because for some they like interacting with people .

Others prefer the job because they hardly pay any taxes and they also get to draw welfare benefits.

So stop spewing your ignorant trash here.

In Nigeria, we call it corporate begging while it’s called tipping in the US.

We call it bribery which is illegal, but they call it lobbying, which is not illegal.

Omoawoke:
That’s one thing I’ve never understood despite how long I’ve been here

I’ve never ever understood why tipping is almost compulsory and if you don’t do it, they make you look like a criminal

I’ve never ever understood and may never understand the rationale behind compulsory tipping in America

Americans have been brainwashed into blaming and demonizing each other for what the 1% (mega rich) should be doing. So, they don't vote to establish fair wages under the law. They don't create/join unions to create a fair/safe work environment with appropriate wages and benefits. They don't vote for controlled immigration. They don't vote for controls on the cost of living and a stronger safety net. And they're pathologically racist and vote against anything they believe benefits black people.

Instead they get angry at people for being "cheap" or "broke" or even hating poor people when they don't tip. And they blame them for why they can't pay their bills. There used to be a time in America when a waitress could afford an apartment just from being a waitress, not a nice apartment, but still decent housing. The 1% destroyed that.

They claim that unions are full of lazy people. They ignore how the 1% carefully crushed unions.

They claim rampant illegal immigration doesn't displace millions of Americans from decent paying jobs. They claim people are imagining it or making it up. Yet whenever those places get raided, magically Americans are working there. And Indians have all but invaded America in the last 15 years to fill fabricated shortages. Engineers have struggled with getting jobs for decades. Americans were told to get IT education, they did and now they can't get jobs and are getting laid off by the thousands.

They vote against more and denser housing, which makes affordable, decent housing available to everyone, and close to jobs and essential services. They vote against development of more public transportation, which would reduce the cost of living and make employment and services more accessible for everyone. They're anti "welfare," which elderly, sick, unemployed, and others need.

They're obsessed with black people not having anything to the point that they will vote against their own interests to prevent it. There are white people with major health problems who cannot work that are losing access to healthcare, food, and housing benefits because they voted for Trump. Toni Morrison talks about the deleterious effect of the profound psychosis known as racism. This is one of the motivations behind these behaviors. Some of it is probably also their neanderthal DNA.

ETA: They vote against the 1% paying taxes, which would probably clear all of America's debt and finance a bunch of stuff the country desperately needs.

FSBoperator:
➜Are you so dense that you can't do a simple Gemini AI research ?

What you are trying to have us believe by way of this biased review of the Tipping culture, which existed in Europe prior to it being introduced in America, also had to do with Post-civil War issues in America?

HacheNoire:
In Nigeria, we call it corporate begging while it’s called tipping in the US.

We call it bribery which is illegal, but they call it lobbying, which is not illegal.

And in same US, prostitution is considered a vice and is illegal but it is an artistic expression and free speech if you film yourself getting paid to have sex with someone.and have it distributed .

It is Ok for same sex couples to marry but it is highly illegal to have more than one wife.

It is considered illegal in many parts of America to be seen walking.on the streets- they call it Jay walking.

You will be jailed in America if you don't walk your dog .

It's ok in America to walk stark n@ked on the streets and engage in homosexual acts in broad daylight as long as it's a gay pride parade but it's considered offensive if you preach the bible on the streets.

America is fck up .

Kobojunkie:
Tipping has been around for about 50 years now. Why make it about Trump?

Actually, tipping has been a culture in the USA for 100+ years.

But you are absolutely right - its not about Trump.

Cousin9999:
Americans have been brainwashed into blaming and demonizing each other for what the 1% (mega rich) should be doing. So, they don't vote to establish fair wages under the law. They don't create/join unions to create a fair/safe work environment with appropriate wages and benefits. They don't vote for controlled immigration. They don't vote for controls on the cost of living and a stronger safety net. And they're pathologically racist and vote against anything they believe benefits black people.

Instead they get angry at people for being "cheap" or "broke" or even hating poor people when they don't tip. And they blame them for why they can't pay their bills. There used to be a time in America when a waitress could afford an apartment just from being a waitress, not a nice apartment, but still decent housing. The 1% destroyed that.

They claim that unions are full of lazy people. They ignore how the 1% carefully crushed unions.

They claim rampant illegal immigration doesn't displace millions of Americans from decent paying jobs. They claim people are imagining it or making it up. Yet whenever those places get raided, magically Americans are working there. And Indians have all but invaded America in the last 15 years to fill fabricated shortages. Engineers have struggled with getting jobs for decades. Americans were told to get IT education, they did and now they can't get jobs and are getting laid off by the thousands.

They vote against more and denser housing, which makes affordable, decent housing available to everyone, and close to jobs and essential services. They vote against development of more public transportation, which would reduce the cost of living and make employment and services more accessible for everyone. They're anti "welfare," which elderly, sick, unemployed, and others need.

They're obsessed with black people not having anything to the point that they will vote against their own interests to prevent it. There are white people with major health problems who cannot work that are losing access to healthcare, food, and housing benefits because they voted for Trump. Toni Morrison talks about the deleterious effect of the profound psychosis known as racism. This is one of the motivations behind these behaviors. Some of it is probably also their neanderthal DNA.

I bet no Nigerian who actually lives in America will agree with you. Just like visiting WC fans are surprised what a wonderful country US is!

Omoawoke:
That’s one thing I’ve never understood despite how long I’ve been here

I’ve never ever understood why tipping is almost compulsory and if you don’t do it, they make you look like a criminal

I’ve never ever understood and may never understand the rationale behind compulsory tipping in America

A Nigerian will be trying to bargain to pay less than the cost, talkless of tipping!
But this French guy below can't praise America enough and explains why tip.

The English guy says "They are simply better!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwCihBXYIlk?is=TAbN7sA36hRuaxD4

FSBoperator:
➜Why has the restaurant business been able to get away from not paying minimum wage to their waiting staff? The only other sector you see this arrangement is in strip clubs .
And no job is mandated on anybody. People work because they need to earn a living.
I am sure 99.9% of waiting staff will not hesitate to quit their jobs if they could get a better job that has a guaranteed income by the end of the day. Most waiters/waitresses who remain waiting tables because for some they like interacting with people . Others prefer the job because they hardly pay any taxes and they also get to draw welfare benefits. So stop spewing your ignorant trash here.

The one spewing trash here is you. People must work; that is fine.

I am sorry, but that is nonsense! Part of deciding what job to take includes deciding whether the pay is right for you.

FSBoperator:
➜You are dense. That's all I have to say to you . Tipping culture is rooted in post civil war America and was the only way freed blacks could earn a living from forced employment which if they did not accept will see them charged to court under the Niggardly laws. You do know about Niggardly laws right?

Look, the bottom line is that companies have the right to choose the pay model they think best suits their business needs. If you don't like the pay, leave the job and find yourself some place else that would pay you what you would prefer. That is common sense!

OlujobaSamuel:
No, there is a tipping system in the US which is different from other nations. Customer's are expected to tip service providers, especially those within the minimum wage bracket or below, and such tips are factored into their total income. If it doesn't meet up with the minimum wage, employers are expected to pay the difference.
Most of the time, the claim is that customers are only charged for the product the company is offering, that services in giving you such product isn't included in the charge.
Eg, on Uber, you can tip a driver at the end of a trip, some drivers will even demand for it which is legitimate in their system. For instance, you are carrying excess luggage, or lot's of items, the driver uses about 5 to 10mins extra just to pick you up, that's a service not included in the fare, it is expected that you tip for it. Here, the driver will negotiate the ride instead of waiting for the tip.
You entered a restaurant in a place like VI, there is every tendency that the waiters are paid minimum wage which can't get any accommodation around, so they have to travel from outskirts to serve you, as no one that is comfortable enough to rent an apartment in such area is willing to do such job, the tipping system expects that you appreciate their coming to such location to serve you, even though you are paying for the product (meal) already.
The system is used to protect small businesses so they can break even by having enough hands to meet demand without having to use all funds for salary apym6

it is a good system

Kobojunkie:
The one spewing trash here is you. People must work; that is fine.

I am sorry, but that is nonsense! Part of deciding what job to take includes deciding whether the pay is right for you.

It's an employer's market and not a would-be employee's.

The employer has the last say on who to employ .

Don't make it seem that the average person gets to freely choose the jobs they want.

It's all down to making a living towards paying bills and having income to sustain yourself and given that one has to go job hunting, the choices are scarce and in-between and depends on whose hiring and what they are looking for in an employee.

If it's down to choice of the employee , why do we have so many unemployed people ?

Or are you saying those unemployed chose to remain unemployed and broke ?

Guy fck outta here.

Kobojunkie:
Look, the bottom line is that companies have the right to choose the pay model they think best suits their business needs. If you don't like the pay, leave the job and find yourself some place else that would pay you what you would prefer. That is common sense!

No. Companies don't have the choice to pay whatever they think is fair to themselves.

Companies must abide by labour and employment regulations and payment guidelines.

That's why there is minimum wage , OSHA regulations , limits on working hours - 40hrs a week with weekends and public holidays off plus benefit payments that include vacation periods.

This is the 21st century and not some Dickinson Work House era.

FSBoperator:
It's an employer's market and not a would-be employee's. The employer has the last say on who to employ . Don't make it seem that the average person gets to freely choose the jobs they want. It's all down to making a living towards paying bills and having income to sustain yourself and given that one has to go job hunting, the choices are scarce and in-between and depends on whose hiring and what they are looking for in an employee.
➜ If it's down to choice of the employee , why do we have so many unemployed people ? Or are you saying those unemployed chose to remain unemployed and broke ? Guy fck outta here.

Employer's market? The employer decides the most qualified candidate for the job out of many potential candidates. That doesn't make it an Employer's market but rather a job market. You don't get to mark yourself some sort of victim because you didn't get the job. That's not how it works.

2. You can always start your own business and pay yourself and your employees in any other legal way out there. What you don't get to do is decide for everyone else how it should always have to be.

Kobojunkie:
Employer's market? The employee decides the most qualified candidate for the job out of many potential candidates.

First, go and get a dictionary to understand who and what is considered an Employer and how it differs with an Employee

You are just basking in your ignorance all over this thread .

Just like bolt and Uber when you want to pay after a trip , there's an option for tipping the driver. But our restaurants are already doing it here with service charge.

Ah. 🫢🫢
Alarming poverty level ke?

PulaPower:
In the US, staff at some restaurants and bars are paid just over $2 (£1.50) an hour, and they expect customers to tip about 20% of the total cost of the bill so they can earn a living.

Frustrations have also been shared by hospitality staff, with one bar owner telling the BBC that many World Cup tourists have been bad tippers.

Lol..

Alman-Jiri USA version. The level of poverty in USA is alarming. Instead of their president to focus on that, he’s busy wasting money on frivolities..

You won’t know how overrated USA is until you arrived there. All those propaganda you do read on their media go first of all clear for your eye..

I really dislike the way these BBC folks like to sensationalize their stories. It has really become some sort of culture at their organization. The last lady that spoke in the video (as restated in the write-up), suggested that minimum wage for some servers is as low as $2 per hour, which is correct on the surface but not the entire story. The missing piece here is that employees within that wage band are entitled to the difference between legislated minimum wage and that $2 per hour from their employer, in the event that any extra tips earned (plus the $2/hr wage) does not result in total earnings that match or exceed the legislated minimum wage. Talk of being economical with the truth or selective journalism, smh.

geezville86:
I really dislike the way these BBC folks like to sensationalize their stories. It has really become some sort of culture at their organization. The last lady that spoke in the video (as restated in the write-up), suggested that minimum wage for some servers is as low as $2 per hour, which is correct on the surface but not the entire story. The missing piece here is that employees within that wage band are entitled to the difference between legislated minimum wage and that $2 per hour from their employer, in the event that any extra tips earned (plus the $2/hr wage) does not result in total earnings that match or exceed the legislated minimum wage. Talk of being economical with the truth or selective journalism, smh.

Thanks for clarifying this, because it wouldn’t make sense that there is minimum wage law but then some people would be paid below that amount.

You gave a very much detailed explanation here thank you so much i think you're probably into the system for a long time kudos..

OlujobaSamuel:
No, there is a tipping system in the US which is different from other nations. Customer's are expected to tip service providers, especially those within the minimum wage bracket or below, and such tips are factored into their total income. If it doesn't meet up with the minimum wage, employers are expected to pay the difference.
Most of the time, the claim is that customers are only charged for the product the company is offering, that services in giving you such product isn't included in the charge.
Eg, on Uber, you can tip a driver at the end of a trip, some drivers will even demand for it which is legitimate in their system. For instance, you are carrying excess luggage, or lot's of items, the driver uses about 5 to 10mins extra just to pick you up, that's a service not included in the fare, it is expected that you tip for it. Here, the driver will negotiate the ride instead of waiting for the tip.
You entered a restaurant in a place like VI, there is every tendency that the waiters are paid minimum wage which can't get any accommodation around, so they have to travel from outskirts to serve you, as no one that is comfortable enough to rent an apartment in such area is willing to do such job, the tipping system expects that you appreciate their coming to such location to serve you, even though you are paying for the product (meal) already.
The system is used to protect small businesses so they can break even by having enough hands to meet demand without having to use all funds for salary apym6

FSBoperator:
Why has the restaurant business been able to get away from not paying minimum wage to their waiting staff?

The only other sector you see this arrangement is in strip clubs .
Others prefer the job because they hardly pay any taxes and they
So stop spewing your ignorant trash here.

Wrong. I tip my lawn care guy, the service technician at the auto dealership, my housekeeper, and others. Matter of fact, many Americans do the same so no, the restaurant industry and strip clubs are not isolated when it comes to what you referred to as ‘this arrangement’.

Also, waitstaff do not choose their jobs based on tax liability—they pay they share of taxes just like everyone else.

Skydivine:
➜Thanks for clarifying this, because it wouldn’t make sense that there is minimum wage law but then some people would be paid below that amount.

The BBC is well aware of the rules that govern the tipping industry and labor as it is managed by the Department of Labor.
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

However, these and so many other articles from the BBC are presented in such a way as to brainwash the ignorant into believing that those who work these jobs are victims and individuals who are taken advantage of by employees, something that is far from the case.

chopnaira:
Stingy people. If you can pay thousands of dollars for airline and stadium tickets, sparing a 15% tip after a taxi ride or meal should not be that bad.

Una go just dey claim wetin una no be online

In your "saner clime", workers are paid just $2 per hour

In Canada here, it’s tipping and ‘do you wanna donate to charity’

frankson1:
➜Una go just dey claim wetin una no be online
In your "saner clime", workers are paid just $2 per hour

See them! Already parroting stewpid unfounded claims made by the BBC.
The BBC is well aware of the rules that govern the tipping industry and labor as it is managed by the Department of Labor.
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa
* https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

Skydivine:
Thanks for clarifying this, because it wouldn’t make sense that there is minimum wage law but then some people would be paid below that amount.

Thanks for cearing what why can't their employers pay the minimum wage in full than instead of expecting them to cover it through 'begging and receiving bribe' since they're all so wealthy over there

madridguy:
weird" when buying a bottle of water and "they try to get a tip for doing nothing".

we have it in Nigeria too especially at the Airport, even our police force they don't negotiate' it is a must. Especially those at the entrance of NAHCO gate.

LordIsaac:
I really detest the corporate begging culture.

Na Yankee way be that
They've even legalised bribery calling it lobbying