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Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Skydivine: 4:39am On Jun 29
frankson1:
Thanks for cearing what cheesy cheesy why can't their employers pay the minimum wage in full than instead of expecting them to cover it through 'begging and receiving bribe' since they're all so wealthy over thereundecided
Nobody forced anyone to give tips. It is always given out of courtesy.
See, if you like you tips and if you like , you ignore them. No one will even dare say a word.
The good part is, tipping is after after the service has been provided. So it’s not as if they can decide to change the quality of an already provided service.

On the employers part, let me reveal one open-secret of a capitalist system. Their operational budget including that for salary is usually earmarked just within that allowable by law and market factors. No charities, no emotion. If they have a way to not even pay at all, they will take it.
They do that which the law allows them to do and are compelled to do more based on market factors. For instance the availability of waiters would determine how much employers are willing to cough out.
There is a reason it is called Free Market Economy. You can take your waiting skills elsewhere, where they are willing to pay what you demand, if it’s sustainable for the business.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Kaczynski: 4:45am On Jun 29
FSBoperator:
Tipping culture goes as far back to when slavery was abolished in the US.

The newly emancipated slaves were barely being paid for menial jobs they could get .

Some chose to outrightly work for themselves on small plots of land .

Those who couldn't afford land or were not bestowed land by their former slave masters had to work on same plantations for next to nothing.

This led to many former slaves refusing to work unless they were paid descent wages.

To counter this, the Dixie south passed laws that made being unemployed illegal. This is the so-called Niggardly laws which was passed to criminalise unemployment in the emancipated slave population.

The Federal govt saw where this was going and knew the unrepentant Dixie south wanted to continue slavery by all means by forcing freed slaves to work for next to nothing .

So the US federal govt passed laws mandating a minimum wage and made it illegal to work for free.

To counter this, most of the Dixie south decided to arrest as much of the freed men to work in prison plantations and have freed women work as housemaids and waiters who were paid for their services in room and board (for maids) and those waiting on tables on tips.

Tipping culture has it's deep roots in American slavery and most waiters/waitresses were mostly coloured folks up till the 70s when young white college students needed extra money.

People forget that America was founded on genocide and slavery .

Fought a civil war over slavery as an institution.

Miscegenation was a criminal offense up till the 60s in most states in the south .

And America only ended racial apartheid in the 60s.

America is not the holy land most people think it is and there are still relics of that slave legacy as we can see with tipping culture, the Prison industrial complex and the free labour it extracts from imprisoned people, section 8 segregated housing , this tipping culture .

America still maintains that forced labour aka slavery is still valid but on the condition that the individuals subjected to such are imprisoned.

Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Hismajesty44: 5:07am On Jun 29
thatigboman:
If I were there, I would pay anything since xenophobic south africans are out
The druggie culture and high powered criminality exported to south Africa made them being xenophobic!
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by OlujobaSamuel: 5:09am On Jun 29
kinzd:
You gave a very much detailed explanation here thank you so much i think you're probably into the system for a long time kudos..
Uwc sir. I've not even been to the US oo, I've just known about the system for a while, so I studied the reason for it, and I also interacted with few American professionals that I've met with
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Kobojunkie: 5:13am On Jun 29
Emco1:
we have it in Nigeria too especially at the Airport, even our police force they don't negotiate' it is a must. Especially those at the entrance of NAHCO gate.
What you have in Nigeria is not what we are referring to here. undecided
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Ironfaceman(op): 5:31am On Jun 29
I don't see any nonsense in the report. BBC says it as it is.

Is like a foreigner who comes to Nigeria and the police starts asking him for money.

Or the foreigner encounters area Boys and they're demanding for money

It is your knowledge of the place that can save you from embarrassments


Kobojunkie:
BBC and nonsense! What is confusing about tipping 15%-20%? undecided
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Kobojunkie: 5:39am On Jun 29
Ironfaceman:
➜I don't see any nonsense in the report. BBC says it as it is.
Is like a foreigner who comes to Nigeria and the police starts asking him for money. Or the foreigner encounters area Boys and they're demanding for money It is your knowledge of the place that can save you from embarrassments
You are best sourcing your knowledge about the U.S. from reputable U.S. sources, such as the U.S. government, and not from places like the BBC. undecided
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Nobody: 5:59am On Jun 29
It’s not as compulsory as the media portrays it to be. I only tipped those who gave great service and I wasn’t harassed or called out by those I didn’t tip. For reference, in New York and Miami.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by CorperKola: 6:11am On Jun 29
hakeemhakeem:
Don't just bring Nigeria into this, if you can't discuss on the matter
Its a relevant observation,no need to get defensive
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by puresoul0827(m): 6:19am On Jun 29
Wow! Yankee people no get shame. They are serial beggers. It would be unwise to japa and go and be collecting tips.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by DarkJeddi(m): 6:35am On Jun 29
kpankpangolo:
Slow news day.
Not everything has to be about Ba ndits and the misadventures of Balablu bulaba.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by dontbothermuch: 7:08am On Jun 29
Is this not the same thing as Police Roger me? Ah! If it's happening in US then all hope might be gone in redeeming our police. Please God let no police officer see this news.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Deepthoughts: 7:13am On Jun 29
Ironfaceman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tnlb4BWnjY?si=xj6UUYFMYOOwm662



https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyxgjykx7lo
If it were to be in Africa they would have been shouting bribe n corruption but just see how nice they are putting it.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by femi4: 7:13am On Jun 29
Gotocourt:
Nigerians don teach USA folks beggy beggy shittts.
US is no 1 in beggy beggy culture

We understand y most Nigerians beg but in US na normal thing even for those that can pay their bills
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by FSBoperator: 7:29am On Jun 29
MadamDMadam:
It’s not as compulsory as the media portrays it to be. I only tipped those who gave great service and I wasn’t harassed or called out by those I didn’t tip. For reference, in New York and Miami.
Some establishments allow waiters add it to your bill automatically .

It's only a few select states that forced all restaurants to ensure their workers earn minimum wage .

You will be blacklisted by restaurants if you refuse to pay up a tip
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by galantjoe(m): 7:36am On Jun 29
Nigeria does not have tipping culture. Instead people like you called it bribes/ if police officers beg for money you will say they're taking bribes, now you have seen that USA has instituted bribes and called it TIPS. the same way they change corruption to LOBBYING

jordyspices:
Na the same thing for nigeria every body dey expect small thing security man oh bank staff oh even the police is not left out
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Ironfaceman(op): 7:58am On Jun 29
Different strokes for different folks


Deepthoughts:
If it were to be in Africa they would have been shouting bribe n corruption but just see how nice they are putting it.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by myrates: 8:07am On Jun 29
Ironfaceman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tnlb4BWnjY?si=xj6UUYFMYOOwm662



https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyxgjykx7lo
The tipping culture is so weird. In my opinion, customers tip only if they so wish. I drove into a filling station to fill my tank with just 10k naira worth of fuel @ 1280 per litre, and the lady attendant was telling me "Oga no forget me oo" and the way she said it was with a deep sense of entitlement. Me wey dey vex say my 10k couldn't even buy 10litres of fuel coupled with the terrible economy, someone that's being paid salary out of my patronage was asking me to pay extra for doing her job. I responded with a question "Na me employ you?" she went cold and silent immediately.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Mirasteel: 8:22am On Jun 29
US hosting the FIFA World Cup was a very big mistake.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by fredoooooo: 8:24am On Jun 29
No one force you there..if you dont like it go back to ya ciuntry .
People just like to complain about everything.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Rayjay45: 8:25am On Jun 29
Ironfaceman:
Hmm. What an exposee, life too can be hard in Yankee.

Well is better I beg for tips. Than be a drug mule or a syndicate or a con artist.
Imagine being paid 2 dols for an hour's worth of work!
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by 0taPiaPia(m): 8:25am On Jun 29
Adakintroy:
Just call.them civilize agberos and we can all go home.

If thel come here them go come complain about the same culture of street begging and tipping at airport l, while they I vent there own format with no one to critic it.
You have a valid point.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Pacesetter123(m): 8:58am On Jun 29
OlujobaSamuel:
No, there is a tipping system in the US which is different from other nations. Customer's are expected to tip service providers, especially those within the minimum wage bracket or below, and such tips are factored into their total income. If it doesn't meet up with the minimum wage, employers are expected to pay the difference.
Most of the time, the claim is that customers are only charged for the product the company is offering, that services in giving you such product isn't included in the charge.
Eg, on Uber, you can tip a driver at the end of a trip, some drivers will even demand for it which is legitimate in their system. For instance, you are carrying excess luggage, or lot's of items, the driver uses about 5 to 10mins extra just to pick you up, that's a service not included in the fare, it is expected that you tip for it. Here, the driver will negotiate the ride instead of waiting for the tip.
You entered a restaurant in a place like VI, there is every tendency that the waiters are paid minimum wage which can't get any accommodation around, so they have to travel from outskirts to serve you, as no one that is comfortable enough to rent an apartment in such area is willing to do such job, the tipping system expects that you appreciate their coming to such location to serve you, even though you are paying for the product (meal) already.
The system is used to protect small businesses so they can break even by having enough hands to meet demand without having to use all funds for salary apym6
Then if there is this kind of understanding about tipping system even in developed nation like the US,why do we always make it look as if it is a Nigeria thing?
People go to media houses or make videos and post in social media to castigate Airport workers,police on checkpoint,supermarket and hotel securities and bar Waiters for being notorious for "Corporate Begging".
They try to make us know that such "bad" culture can never never be seen in saner climes.
So,is the US or Canada no longer saner climes?
Though I don't support a culture of making tippings look compulsory or be like a constitutional rights that you must give for services provided,but I think it is appropriate to "appreciate" some lowly paid workers in some corporate environments VOLUNTARILY for services rendered to you.
I went to a supermarket for my weekend stuff last week,I picked a basket and was going round to pick stuff.One of the staff there,a young lady, just walked up to me and said, Sir,let me help you with the basket.
She carried the basket and followed me around the supermarket till I finished picking what I wanted and she took it to the counter.
I finished paying,she greeted me bye without asking for anything.
I was the one,out of appreciation ,who called her and voluntarily gifted her something.Cos to me,she deserves it.

So my point is that,as from today that I am hearing this news, nobody should make corporate begging a Nigerian thing again.
If any staff in an airport, supermarket, restaurant,etc ask you for a tip,if you want to give, give and if you don't want to,pass and go your way.They won't beat you.
Stop shouting in every news media that people beg you for tips only in Nigeria that you can't see such a thing in America or Europe when you haven't left the shores of Nigeria before.
This message is only for those that always make this unfounded comparison.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Ironfaceman(op): 8:59am On Jun 29
That's around 4000naira an hour multiply that by 8hrs 😲


Rayjay45:
Imagine being paid 2 dols for an hour's worth of work!
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Pacesetter123(m): 9:12am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
1. People from all over the world are the ones admitting to this themselves. undecided

2. They don't want to do that because they are banking on you being intelligent enough to educate yourself on the reasons for the tipping culture and to voluntarily give what you are most comfortable with between 15% and 20%.
Between 15 and 20 %?
Anything that has a benchmark is no longer voluntary.
Tipping should be voluntary,but when you placed a cap,then you make it involuntary which is not proper.
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by ThunderFireAgba: 9:14am On Jun 29
Omoawoke:
That’s one thing I’ve never understood despite how long I’ve been here

I’ve never ever understood why tipping is almost compulsory and if you don’t do it, they make you look like a criminal

I’ve never ever understood and may never understand the rationale behind compulsory tipping in America [blokes?
Ok, we now know you're in America. Next!
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by just2endowed: 9:39am On Jun 29
Remember when I work in an hotel that year. If you buy softdrink or anything, service charge is included in your bill. Now these service charge income was suppose to be shared between managers and all staff but greedy hotel manager and owner pocket everything. And it's still like this in all this medium stars hotels and five stars hotels... They won't share service charges income or tip among staff
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by Pacesetter123(m): 9:50am On Jun 29
Ironfaceman:
That's around 4000naira an hour multiply that by 8hrs 😲
That's a lie,a very big one at that.
Which $2 is equivalent to #4,000?
I just changed dol and it's #1,400 per dol.
So $2 is #2,800.
Stop misleading the reading public!
Re: World Cup Fans Frustrated By 'confusing And Expensive' Tipping Culture In US by OlujobaSamuel: 10:15am On Jun 29
Pacesetter123:
Then if there is this kind of understanding about tipping system even in developed nation like the US,why do we always make it look as if it is a Nigeria thing?
People go to media houses or make videos and post in social media to castigate Airport workers,police on checkpoint,supermarket and hotel securities and bar Waiters for being notorious for "Corporate Begging".
They try to make us know that such "bad" culture can never never be seen in saner climes.
So,is the US or Canada no longer saner climes?
Though I don't support a culture of making tippings look compulsory or be like a constitutional rights that you must give for services provided,but I think it is appropriate to "appreciate" some lowly paid workers in some corporate environments VOLUNTARILY for services rendered to you.
I went to a supermarket for my weekend stuff last week,I picked a basket and was going round to pick stuff.One of the staff there,a young lady, just walked up to me and said, Sir,let me help you with the basket.
She carried the basket and followed me around the supermarket till I finished picking what I wanted and she took it to the counter.
I finished paying,she greeted me bye without asking for anything.
I was the one,out of appreciation ,who called her and voluntarily gifted her something.Cos to me,she deserves it.

So my point is that,as from today that I am hearing this news, nobody should make corporate begging a Nigerian thing again.
If any staff in an airport, supermarket, restaurant,etc ask you for a tip,if you want to give, give and if you don't want to,pass and go your way.They won't beat you.
Stop shouting in every news media that people beg you for tips only in Nigeria that you can't see such a thing in America or Europe when you haven't left the shores of Nigeria before.
This message is only for those that always make this unfounded comparison.
It's never a Nigerian thing ooo. Although I rarely give to security dudes, but I do give attendants or cashier.
The reason why I don't give them is due to the way they treat people at times. They can rubbish you for a big car that might be driven by a messenger
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