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Helinuse:
Cho Cho Cho
“US can never win…” yet they poked holes through out Tehran, and made the survivors, whom they kept alive, to “agree to a deal.”

I mean, imagine coming to my house, vanishing my father, burying my certificate in a place I can’t access again, and then making me sign a memorandum of understanding.

E make sense?

😅😅😅

Why would you sign a deal with the country you have defeated? Make this make sense 😂
Trump asked for unconditional surrender has Iran given that to them?

Imagine asking someone to surrender only striking them from afar (only air power) cause you are to scared to face them and acting like you are winning.
You are a fool. America is not meant to sign a peace agreement with a country it has ‘beaten’ 😂. As a winner, you set the terms not the opposing side. Heck there shouldn’t even be a peace agreement if you are actually the winner.

The four main parts of US Iran Peace agreement is: The 4 main pillars are:
a Ceasefire end to direct hostilities, Reopening Strait of Hormuz,Sanctions relief + economic concessions,Nuclear restrictions + inspections negotiations. It’s a far worse deal than the Obama one. It mostly favours Iran. Iran announced the other it closed the strait of Hormuz, they still have nuclear material and they gave far fewer concessions.

Helinuse:
😅😅😅
You still dey cho.
Whether you like it or not, the Khamenei now, was NOT the supreme leader Khamenei one year ago. In fact, this one is only alive because he made it to a “no keel list.”

Secondly, no one expects a jeehardeest group to “surrender.” That is why the US has always had an issue with any war in the Middle East. Only Israel understands how to deal with them: “keep the assaaulht until they vanish.”

Boko Haram will never surrender
Azawad of Mali will never surrender
Hamas will never surrender
Hezbollah will never surrender

That is because they are not conventional armies. They are a religious army. And religion first makes a man unreasonable. They refuse to see the evidence and choose to believe the lie. So they may be loosing, but they view their loss as victory 😅. They may be dyeing, but will see it as “marttyyrdom.” Only Israel knows how to make them disappear.

You don’t understand the art of war. In a war, you have to achieve political objectives to win and the US hasn’t achieved a single objective. It hasn’t meaningfully degraded Iran’s capabilities. There was a study showing that Iran still had 85% of its drone capability, Iran still holds the strait which caused an energy crisis, the IRGC is intact and so Is the leadership but replaced. Khamanei was going

Ali Khamanei was expecting to have died be it through health complications (he had cancer) or being assassinated ( which the US already did). His son was getting ready to take over. Killing the leadership was really not a flex as he was already getting replaced by his son sometime down the line the US just sped it up. Mojitaba was positioned to assume his father’s place.

Those groups you have listened are less of religious groups but more of extremists and the reason the US or any major power cannot defeat them is because guerilla warfare is kryptonite for any world power. It’s why the Americans and Russian lost/losing in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine etc is cause you cannot beat insurgents with military might alone. A war is not about whom can bomb the other harder. It is a continuation of politics. Battles don’t decide the winner. It’s diplomacy and ultimately being able to achieve your political objectives.

Sladem05:
You don’t understand the art of war. In a war, you have to achieve political objectives to win and the US hasn’t achieved a single objective. It hasn’t meaningfully degraded Iran’s capabilities. There was a study showing that Iran still had 85% of its drone capability, Iran still holds the strait which caused an energy crisis, the IRGC is intact and so Is the leadership but replaced. Khamanei was going

Ali Khamanei was expecting to have died be it through health complications (he had cancer) or being assassinated ( which the US already did). His son was getting ready to take over. Killing the leadership was really not a flex as he was already getting replaced by his son sometime down the line the US just sped it up. Mojitaba was positioned to assume his father’s place.

Those groups you have listened are less of religious groups but more of extremists and the reason the US or any major power cannot defeat them is because guerilla warfare is kryptonite for any world power. It’s why the Americans and Russian lost/losing in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine etc is cause you cannot beat insurgents with military might alone. A war is not about whom can bomb the other harder. It is a continuation of politics. Battles don’t decide the winner. It’s diplomacy and ultimately being able to achieve your political objectives.

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Battles don’t decide the winner:
Ask Japan, Germany, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

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You can say whatever that makes you happy bro.
If you like, say that Khamenei died of cancer.
That one no concern people wey sabi.
😅😅😅

Sladem05:
Why would you sign a deal with the country you have defeated? Make this make sense 😂
Trump asked for unconditional surrender has Iran given that to them?

Imagine asking someone to surrender only striking them from afar (only air power) cause you are to scared to face them and acting like you are winning.
You are a fool. America is not meant to sign a peace agreement with a country it has ‘beaten’ 😂. As a winner, you set the terms not the opposing side. Heck there shouldn’t even be a peace agreement if you are actually the winner.

The four main parts of US Iran Peace agreement is: The 4 main pillars are:
a Ceasefire end to direct hostilities, Reopening Strait of Hormuz,Sanctions relief + economic concessions,Nuclear restrictions + inspections negotiations. It’s a far worse deal than the Obama one. It mostly favours Iran. Iran announced the other it closed the strait of Hormuz, they still have nuclear material and they gave far fewer concessions.

Oh yes,
Sometimes you don’t see it necessary to continue a war that you know has no end. The IRGC has an endless supply of people it can afford to loose. America has a very limited supply of people it can afford to loose.
So, we simply carry out a wave, sign an MOU, come back with another wave, sign another one, then another wave, etc. Until we have tested all our new w e a p o n s.
When we are done, we will tear the “no-keel” list. And Israel will finish the job. Ask Nasrallah and Hezbollah. 🤣🤣🤣

Sladem05:
Osama and AQ maybe gone but not the Taliban which was the whole point of the war after killing Osama. America tried and failed to extinguish the Taliban. They made the Taliban stronger.

The Taliban today control more of Afghanistan than they did pre 9/11 and NATO left lots of military equipment that the Taliban has now incorporated its into military. The Taliban were flexing American weapons in parades at the end of the war.

What you brought up was minor victories but ultimately the US lost the Afghanistan War, The same way they lost in Vietnam and like what is happening in Iran.

Iran cannot project power and lack coordination? They have bombed every gulf country and hit critical infrastructure in those region. Killing Mojitaba’s father did nothing. That just angered the people.

The US does not have the means to invade Iran whatsoever. Iran has several times the landmass and population of Afghanistan and Vietnam countries the US failed in. On top of that, the terrain and climate in Iran is not favourable for any invading force.

America cannot even defeat much smaller foes and you think US can have boots on the ground? The US cannot even take Kharg Island talkless of taking Iran. Iran’s Foreign Minister Arabbas Aragaichi when asked does Iran fear boots on the ground and he smiled saying ‘No, we are waiting for them’.

Trump would be sending troops to their grave if the US dared to put troops on the ground. America has failed against much weaker foes and they want to take on a foe like Iran? You are a dreamer.

Well, you made more noise than this about Iran before they were even attacked.

Little did we know that Israel will start and end the war in just 30 seconds 🤣🤣🤣, leaving remaining, a rag tagged disorganized sea pirates called the IRGC.

Helinuse:
Well, you made more noise than this about Iran before they were even attacked.

Little did we know that Israel will start and end the war in just 30 seconds 🤣🤣🤣, leaving remaining, a rag tagged disorganized sea pirates called the IRGC.

No this war is America’s Suez Crisis. Iran is still standing like it or not.

Helinuse:
Oh yes,
Sometimes you don’t see it necessary to continue a war that you know has no end. The IRGC has an endless supply of people it can afford to loose. America has a very limited supply of people it can afford to loose.
So, we simply carry out a wave, sign an MOU, come back with another wave, sign another one, then another wave, etc. Until we have tested all our new w e a p o n s.
When we are done, we will tear the “no-keel” list. And Israel will finish the job. Ask Nasrallah and Hezbollah. 🤣🤣🤣

Sure thing and the funny thing is you admitted that in the long run neither the US or Israel will win.

Helinuse:
🤣🤣🤣

Battles don’t decide the winner:
Ask Japan, Germany, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

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You can say whatever that makes you happy bro.
If you like, say that Khamenei died of cancer.
That one no concern people wey sabi.
😅😅😅

They don’t the decide the winner especially in asymmetric warfare.

The US couldn’t stop North Vietnam from conquering the South. Neither could they stop the Taliban from taking over the country. Did I say Khamanei died of cancer? You be mumu. All I said is that killing Khamanei did nothing more than anger the country. His son replaced which is son was getting ready to do anyway.

Helinuse:
🤣🤣🤣

Battles don’t decide the winner:
Ask Japan, Germany, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

🤣🤣🤣


You can say whatever that makes you happy bro.
If you like, say that Khamenei died of cancer.
That one no concern people wey sabi.
😅😅😅

A war is a continuation of politics by other means. It is not decided by who can punch harder on the battlefield. That is why America failed in Afghanistan and Vietnam. They won the battles but they lost the war. You are just one of those CIA bots that cope about them losing. Afghanistan today is under control of the Taliban, Vietnam is still under control of the communist part of Vietnam and you are telling me America won😂

Sladem05:
A war is a continuation of politics by other means. It is not decided by who can punch harder on the battlefield. That is why America failed in Afghanistan and Vietnam. They won the battles but they lost the war. You are just one of those CIA bots that cope about them losing. Afghanistan today is under control of the Taliban, Vietnam is still under control of the communist part of Vietnam and you are telling me America won😂

"War is a continuation of politics," says a Nigerian who is overwhelmed with supporting those who always lose.

Sladem05:
They don’t the decide the winner especially in asymmetric warfare.

The US couldn’t stop North Vietnam from conquering the South. Neither could they stop the Taliban from taking over the country. Did I say Khamanei died of cancer? You be mumu. All I said is that killing Khamanei did nothing more than anger the country. His son replaced which is son was getting ready to do anyway.

na yu go taya.
Asymmetric warfare is fought only by those who are allowed to.
Iraq didn't fight asymmetric warfare simply because the US didn't allow them to by the operation Shock and Awe in which all their formation were bombarded even before the military set foot within.

Libyans, too, are jeehardeest, but the shock-and-awe operation didn't allow them to go "asymmetrical."
AlQaeda and ISIS, too, are jeehardeests and would prefer "asymmetrical," but the shock and awe firepower didn't permit them to.
Iran has prepared for 40 years for an "asymmetric war," but they have not been permitted to wage it, as no one is stepping foot in there but giving it to them hot from the skies.
Hamas prepared for asymmetric warfare, but instead, Israel, a master in it, gave them tremendous power and overwhelmed their ability to prosecute such an operation, and then they had to resort to "babies and geenocide" propaganda.

The Taliban took over Afhanistan simply becasue the Americans were alrady tired os spending on a country taht naturally have an ideology that glorifies d e a t h and praises failure.

Sladem05:
Sure thing and the funny thing is you admitted that in the long run neither the US or Israel will win.

Never admitted that.
But I agree with you.
In the long run, they may not achieve all their objectives,
But they surely will have a lot to lose.

So, it is only better to let the place eat itself by turning it into a Libya,
Where no organized force can project power.

Helinuse:
Never admitted that.
But I agree with you.
In the long run, they may not achieve all their objectives,
But they surely will have a lot to lose.

So, it is only better to let the place eat itself by turning it into a Libya,
Where no organized force can project power.

They will not achieve any objective. America has not achieved any objective be it having Iran surrender, meaningfully degrading their drone and nuclear capability etc.
you are just a fool power projection? This is about trying to maintain dollar dominance nothing to do with power projection. But now that Iran is making ships start to trade in other currencies in Hormuz like Yuan that has hurt the US more. The whole purpose of the war was to make Iran surrender as Trump said but that has not happened at all 😂
Bro is so deluded.

The Iran War is America’s Suez Crisis signalling that the US is no longer undisputed hegemon.

Sladem05:
They will not achieve any objective. America has not achieved any objective be it having Iran surrender, meaningfully degrading their drone and nuclear capability etc.
you are just a fool power projection? This is about trying to maintain dollar dominance nothing to do with power projection. But now that Iran is making ships start to trade in other currencies in Hormuz like Yuan that has hurt the US more. The whole purpose of the war was to make Iran surrender as Trump said but that has not happened at all 😂
Bro is so deluded.

The Iran War is America’s Suez Crisis signalling that the US is no longer undisputed hegemon.

This tin dey pain you fa.


America is no longer a hegemon,
Iran is now the hegemon.

Helinuse:


na yu go taya.
Asymmetric warfare is fought only by those who are allowed to.
Iraq didn't fight asymmetric warfare simply because the US didn't allow them to by the operation Shock and Awe in which all their formation were bombarded even before the military set foot within.

Libyans, too, are jeehardeest, but the shock-and-awe operation didn't allow them to go "asymmetrical."
AlQaeda and ISIS, too, are jeehardeests and would prefer "asymmetrical," but the shock and awe firepower didn't permit them to.
Iran has prepared for 40 years for an "asymmetric war," but they have not been permitted to wage it, as no one is stepping foot in there but giving it to them hot from the skies.
Hamas prepared for asymmetric warfare, but instead, Israel, a master in it, gave them tremendous power and overwhelmed their ability to prosecute such an operation, and then they had to resort to "babies and geenocide" propaganda.

The Taliban took over Afhanistan simply becasue the Americans were alrady tired os spending on a country taht naturally have an ideology that glorifies d e a t h and praises failure.

So the Taliban won cause they wore America out through political means. I already said that war is a political endeavour. Battles alone cannot win a war. War is multifaceted. You think it was only battles that brought down the Axis powers? No the Axis powers lost every way they possibly could be it economically, industrially, ideologically, militarily etc. you cannot bomb or punch your way to victory which is what people like you believe.

I could care less about what Afghanistan is doing cause like the western audience peoole like you focus on that to deflect from the fact that the Taliban beat NATO. . After the US took out Bin Laden, They should have left but they decided to stay and extinguish the Taliban. That did not just fail but literally backfired. I already stated that the Taliban are stronger now than before the Americans arrived.Before the U.S. invasion in 2001,The Taliban controlled about 90–95% of Afghanistan’s territory. control virtually 100% of Afghanistan’s provinces and all major cities, including Kabul. Taliban now are at a stronger point than at any other point of their rule. America and NATO just made the Taliban stronger and they spent 20 years trying to beat them.

You are just waffling on about rubbish😂. A superpower cannot win an asymmetric war especially just by bombing alone. Bro can’t accept this so called mighty US hasn’t even won a war since WW2. These wars we have been discussing are asymmetrical warfare.

Helinuse:
This tin dey pain you fa.


America is no longer a hegemon,
Iran is now the hegemon.

Pain who? You are again making up things. Who said Iran is now the hegemon? No Iran is a middle power at best but them stalemating/beating the US shows that the US is no longer the undisputed hegemon. That is why I compared this war to the Suez Crisis here the British Empire was confirmed to not be the world’s superpower anymore. This is the same for the US in Iran’s war. America has never been or looked weaker.

Helinuse:
"War is a continuation of politics," says a Nigerian who is overwhelmed with supporting those who always lose.

Lose? At the end of the day, not a single objective of the war has America achieved. A war is ultimately a political game.

IAEA stated that Iran still has 440 kg of uranium enriched to 60%.

They still have most of their productive capacity for their drones and missiles too. Not even western propaganda can save the US from this humiliating defeat

Sladem05:
Lose? At the end of the day, not a single objective of the war has America achieved. A war is ultimately a political game.

IAEA stated that Iran still has 440 kg of uranium enriched to 60%.

They still have most of their productive capacity for their drones and missiles too. Not even western propaganda can save the US from this humiliating defeat

Ok Sir.
Iran is the world's greatest superpower.

After Iran, it is Nigeria, Lebanon and then Somalia.

Israel, America, India, and South Korea are on another list. Abeg no join them to that superpower list.

Sladem05:
Pain who? You are again making up things. Who said Iran is now the hegemon? No Iran is a middle power at best but them stalemating/beating the US shows that the US is no longer the undisputed hegemon. That is why I compared this war to the[b] Suez Crisis here the British Empire was confirmed to not be the world’s superpower anymore[/b]. This is the same for the US in Iran’s war. America has never been or looked weaker.

Suez crisis: 1956

America's domination as a world superpower: 1898

This one is coughing on Nairaland that Egypt made Britain stop being the world's greatest superpower.


I bet you don't even know what the Suez crisis is.

It was just like what Iran was doing: blocking the shipping route. Israel attacked, then France and Britain joined.
They were immediately pressured by the UNITED STATES to withdraw as they were already in Egypt, boots on the ground.
The United States opted for an "MOU," hoping to make Egypt an ally at Israel's expense.

The same route is playing out today, right?


But notice something: it didn't make Egypt a superpower.

Sladem05:
So the Taliban won cause they wore America out through political means. I already said that war is a political endeavour. Battles alone cannot win a war. War is multifaceted. You think it was only battles that brought down the Axis powers? No the Axis powers lost every way they possibly could be it economically, industrially, ideologically, militarily etc. you cannot bomb or punch your way to victory which is what people like you believe.

I could care less about what Afghanistan is doing cause like the western audience peoole like you focus on that to deflect from the fact that the Taliban beat NATO. . After the US took out Bin Laden, They should have left but they decided to stay and extinguish the Taliban. That did not just fail but literally backfired. I already stated that the Taliban are stronger now than before the Americans arrived.Before the U.S. invasion in 2001,The Taliban controlled about 90–95% of Afghanistan’s territory. control virtually 100% of Afghanistan’s provinces and all major cities, including Kabul. Taliban now are at a stronger point than at any other point of their rule. America and NATO just made the Taliban stronger and they spent 20 years trying to beat them.

You are just waffling on about rubbish😂. A superpower cannot win an asymmetric war especially just by bombing alone. Bro can’t accept this so called mighty US hasn’t even won a war since WW2. These wars we have been discussing are asymmetrical warfare.

Cho cho cho again.
"war is a political endeavour."

Again, I repeat, you are only lucky that America is not interested in fighting any war.
If it were, you would have understood that there is no political endeavor with Iraq as it was brought to its knees in one year.
You would have understood that the "Axis powers" were brought to an unconditional surrender through the brute force of the nukes.
No one did any political campaign. Saddam was not "politically negotiated" with. He was destroyed. Japan was not politically negotiated with. They were destroyed. Nazi Germany was not politically negotiated with. They were destroyed.

Iraq positioned itself as a valid contender with America. That is why it was destroyed. In fact, they proved it by powerfully fighting America, both on Land, Sea, and Air.
Iran is not a worthy contender. Even America knows. That is why no one is giving them the Germany, Japan, or Iraq treatment.
Na only one thing America dey interested in: don't have nukes. That is all.

If America was interested in something else, .

I will give an example: if at all, the closure of the hormutz straight is a threat to American interests, Iran will not survive 1 month. They are not 1/5 as powerful as Iraq was.

Helinuse:

Suez crisis: 1956

America's domination as a world superpower: 1898

This one is coughing on Nairaland that Egypt made Britain stop being the world's greatest superpower.


I bet you don't even know what the Suez crisis is.

It was just like what Iran was doing: blocking the shipping route. Israel attacked, then France and Britain joined.
They were immediately pressured by the UNITED STATES to withdraw as they were already in Egypt, boots on the ground.
The United States opted for an "MOU," hoping to make Egypt an ally at Israel's expense.

The same route is playing out today, right?


But notice something: it didn't make Egypt a superpower.

You are grabbing statements out of your ass. Who said Egypt became a superpower?

The Suez Crisis was when Egypt nationalised the suez canal in 1956 but Britain and France tried to stop them but they gave up due to American and Soviet pressure. That war confirmed that the British and French were no longer the undisputed hegemon. The same with this war in Iran almost exactly 70 years later with the US unable to defeat Iran confirming that America is not the world’s superpower anymore 😂

I have heard that americope too many times. ‘We don’t lose wars, but interest’ sure you lose interest in a 20 year war😂. A war that you still couldn’t even incapacitate the enemy and the enemy ends up stronger than before you left😂

Oga go and hide. You know I nothing about geopolitics.

1898 was not the year the US became the world’s superpower either but when the US was a world power. That didn’t happen till 1945 the end of WW2. The word ‘superpower’ was coined to describe the USA and USSR at the end of WW2 and beginning of the Cold War.

Nobody is saying these wars are making the opponents world powers. Who gave you that idea. These wars be it in Suez or Iran both confirm the decline of these empires.

Iran is not even a peer to either US, Russia or China not even close. It is a middling power at best but it has managed to clip the wings of the dying American eagle 😂😂😂

Sladem05:
You are grabbing statements out of your ass. Who said Egypt became a superpower?

The Suez Crisis was when Egypt nationalised the suez canal in 1956 but Britain and France tried to stop them but they gave up due to American and Soviet pressure. That war confirmed that the British and French were no longer the undisputed hegemon. The same with this war in Iran almost exactly 70 years later with the US unable to defeat Iran confirming that America is not the world’s superpower anymore 😂

I have heard that americope too many times. ‘We don’t lose wars, but interest’ sure you lose interest in a 20 year war😂. A war that you still couldn’t even incapacitate the enemy and the enemy ends up stronger than before you left😂

Oga go and hide. You know I nothing about geopolitics.

1898 was not the year the US became the world’s superpower either but when the US was a world power. That didn’t happen till 1945 the end of WW2. The word ‘superpower’ was coined to describe the USA and USSR at the end of WW2 and beginning of the Cold War.

Nobody is saying these wars are making the opponents world powers. Who gave you that idea. These wars be it in Suez or Iran both confirm the decline of these empires.

Iran is not even a peer to either US, Russia or China not even close. It is a middling power at best but it has managed to clip the wings of the dying American eagle 😂😂😂

"Britain and France tried to stop them"
"British and French were no longer the undisputed hegemon"


I like how you like making yourself happy.

Well, it was Israel who went on to stop Egypt, and then France and Britain joined.
Just as Israel rose to stop Iran's nuclear program, the USA joined.

If you like, make yourself happy by excluding the Lion from the hunt and focusing the camera on the foxes.


Second, I am sure you don't know the meaning of a "hegemony." If you do, you won't ascribe it to TWO entities.
Assuming you now know, if America became a "Superpower" before the 1950s, how come it was a war in 1956 that made Britain and France no longer the undisputed hegemon? You see how you are contradicting yourself?


And yes, I mentioned Egypt because I want you to understand that small-scale sea piracy does not, in any way, position Iran as a superpower. They are only lucky that America has a lot of influence on the Arab states due to its ability to pressure them to tamper with justice with ease.



America would have just released Israel to do what Israel was doing to Egypt before France and Britain joined

Sladem05:
Not interested that they spent 20 years in Afghanistan and Vietnam each just to lose? I swear they dropped you at birth. How can somebody be this demented? You are a fool. They wasted trillions of dollars of taxpayers hard earned money just to lose to a bunch of farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam. Abeg go hide. You are deluded if America wanted to fight. Wars im Afghanistan and Vietnam showed tbe limits of American power. The US is not the all powerful country people thought it was.

The closure of the strait of Hormuz is not just a threat to Americans but the entire world. Gas prices shot through the roof cause of this war. The US lacks both the political and military means to open it.

And the Iraq war was not a solo US victory. It was a combined effort. It was not just battles that brought Iraq down. They suffered 12 years of sanctions which would wreck their industrial complex, US had far better tech, much of Iraq never supported him. They lost that war in most ways you possibly could.

Take a look at the bolded.

It sounds familiar.
When we were little kids, a child started throwing such tantrums when he has nothing left to respond to.



If you think America is a paper tiger, let Iran fly one air force plane to Washington, D.C., or move one naval ship towards Pearl Harbor. Let's see.


But I bet you, America had its ships right at the nose of Iran.



Now, I want to be that type of paper tiger.

Helinuse:
Take a look at the bolded.

It sounds familiar.
When we were little kids, a child started throwing such tantrums when he has nothing left to respond to.



If you think America is a paper tiger, let Iran fly one air force plane to Washington, D.C., or move one naval ship towards Pearl Harbor. Let's see.


But I bet you, America had its ships right at the nose of Iran.



Now, I want to be that type of paper tiger.

No cause ultimately you have failed to prove how the US didn’t lose the war. You have not meaningfully debunked a single claim i made. Not a single objective did the US achieve in Iran not one.
As the Ukraine War has shown, aircraft carriers and huge warships are just targets. Iran’s cheap drones proved that in this war too. What is the point of having an overstretched military is a flex?

America is a paper tiger. The country has not won a single war on its own since WW2 not even one 😂😂. The US just picks on weaker countries and still looses 😂

Helinuse:

"Britain and France tried to stop them"
"British and French were no longer the undisputed hegemon"


I like how you like making yourself happy.

Well, it was Israel who went on to stop Egypt, and then France and Britain joined.
Just as Israel rose to stop Iran's nuclear program, the USA joined.

If you like, make yourself happy by excluding the Lion from the hunt and focusing the camera on the foxes.


Second, I am sure you don't know the meaning of a "hegemony." If you do, you won't ascribe it to TWO entities.
Assuming you now know, if America became a "Superpower" before the 1950s, how come it was a war in 1956 that made Britain and France no longer the undisputed hegemon? You see how you are contradicting yourself?


And yes, I mentioned Egypt because I want you to understand that small-scale sea piracy does not, in any way, position Iran as a superpower. They are only lucky that America has a lot of influence on the Arab states due to its ability to pressure them to tamper with justice with ease.



America would have just released Israel to do what Israel was doing to Egypt before France and Britain joined

You have just again waffled. Bringing up things that have nothing to do with the current argument. The US was not a superpower in 1898 just because it defeated an empire that was mostly dead. In that time frame, America might have rivalled the UK economically but in the military, political etc sense it was nowhere near the UK. The US was very isolationist up until WW2. How is claiming that the US not a superpower till 1945 contradicting Britain and France no longer being superpowers/hegemons. That is what happened because before the rise of the USSR and USA. It was the Europeans that were the world powers and that Suez Crisis showed that the UK and France were no longer the world’s superpower. The same way the war in Iran has shown that the US is no longer the world’s superpower.

‘And yes, I mentioned Egypt because I want you to understand that small-scale sea piracy does not, in any way, position Iran as a superpower. They are only lucky that America has a lot of influence on the Arab states due to its ability to pressure them to tamper with justice with ease’
Again what a load of bs. Who the hell said Iran is a superpower or that small-scale sea piracy does.

Latest military budget for USA: $916 billion

Iran: $9 billion.

Iran is not even a peer to the US with like 1/1000th of the military budge but it has still been able to fight America to a standstill. As I said before, superpowers cannot really win these kind of wars. It is not possible. It’s happening with Russia and Ukraine now when they turn to guerilla tactics. It is game over.

Sladem05:
No cause ultimately you have failed to prove how the US didn’t lose the war. You have not meaningfully debunked a single claim i made. Not a single objective did the US achieve in Iran not one.
As the Ukraine War has shown, aircraft carriers and huge warships are just targets. Iran’s cheap drones proved that in this war too. What is the point of having an overstretched military is a flex?

America is a paper tiger. The country has not won a single war on its own since WW2 not even one 😂😂. The US just picks on weaker countries and still looses 😂

So, I thereby agree, and I am fully convinced, that the USA lost the war, and has conceded Texas, and Miami to the Iranians.

Sladem05:
What? You are just a fool. Never comment on geopolitics. Bro has resorted to whataboutism😂 cause he can’t disprove that the US didn’t achieve a single objective in this war.

Seems like you easily get angry.
It's only an inferiority complex that makes a man this easily angry, oh.


I just agreed with everything you said, and now you claim it is "whataboutism."
Do you even know the meaning of "whataboutism?"

I just said I agree with you that ALL the nuclear facilities of Iran are not destroyed. They are still above the mountains, and some that were even built in the high seas have even grown larger.
I also agree with you that all their navy and air force are still intact.
I also agree with you that all their industrial complex for the production of missiles and drones are still intact.
I also agree with you that Iran still has the ability to project power, not terrorism, all over the Middle East.

I agree with you
What again do you want?

Helinuse:
Seems like you easily get angry.
It's only an inferiority complex that makes a man this easily angry, oh.


I just agreed with everything you said, and now you claim it is "whataboutism."
Do you even know the meaning of "whataboutism?"

I just said I agree with you that ALL the nuclear facilities of Iran are not destroyed. They are still above the mountains, and some that were even built in the high seas have even grown larger.
I also agree with you that all their navy and air force are still intact.
I also agree with you that all their industrial complex for the production of missiles and drones are still intact.
I also agree with you that Iran still has the ability to project power, not terrorism, all over the Middle East.

I agree with you
What again do you want?

Inferiority complex? Me I like the truth but you don’t. You’ve spent this entire argument deflecting entirely from all the main points cause you cannot handle the truth. The truth is that this America got humbled by a much weaker foe. It’s been having that for god knows how long. I am not on anyone’s side but I am very happy to see an arrogant country like the US get humbled. America is Rome before it collapsed and what you spew is no different from the usual western rhetoric
‘We don’t lose wars but interest’

‘We won the battles thats all that matters’

I have heard all this bs before

Sladem05:
Inferiority complex? Me I like the truth but you don’t. You’ve spent this entire argument deflecting entirely from all the main points cause you cannot handle the truth. The truth is that this America got humbled by a much weaker foe. It’s been having that for god knows how long. I am not on anyone’s side but I am very happy to see an arrogant country like the US get humbled. America is Rome before it collapsed and what you spew is no different from the usual western rhetoric
‘We don’t lose wars but interest’

‘We won the battles thats all that matters’

I have heard all this bs before

Iran is Byzantine
Until it rose!

erniok:
US was never at war with Iran like the Russian-Ukraine war. Let congress approve a war and you will see wonders. This was Trump misadventure that the Iranians resisted well.

Boots on the ground is both political and military suicide for the US. Iran is several times the landmass of Afghanistan and Vietnam with several times the population. The US can’t even invade and conquer much weaker countries. The terrain and climate is really not friendly for foreign incursions either. If US tried to do a Russia in Iran that would fail far worse than what Russia is doing Ukraine.