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Helinuse:
Iran is Byzantine
Until it rose!

Again deflection. I never cared about Iran’s capabilities or how powerful it was. My point is that the so called world’s superpower has been stalemated by Iran. They did not achieve a single objective in their war. And these same Americans want to face China or Russia 😂 they can’t even deal with the small fish.

Sladem05:
Boots on the ground is both political and military suicide for the US. Iran is several times the landmass of Afghanistan and Vietnam with several times the population. The US can’t even invade and conquer much weaker countries. The terrain and climate is really not friendly for foreign incursions either. If US tried to do a Russia in Iran that would fail far worse than what Russia is doing Ukraine.

You are ignoring the fact that the soviets came to prop a government and it was the cold war era.

erniok:
You are ignoring the fact that the soviets came to prop a government and it was the cold war era.

I wasn’t talking about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but rather the American ones in Afghanistan and Vietnam. You are insane if you think the US could invade a country that large.
Iran is 2.7 times larger than Ukraine and it is much bigger, more mountainous and harsher climate.


The US could not even defeat the Taliban and Vietcong In Afghanistan and Vietnam in much smaller countries.

Country

Land Area

Population (2025 est.)

Population Density

Iran

1.648 million km²

~91–92M

~55/km²

Afghanistan

652,000 km²

~42–43M

~65/km²

Vietnam

331,000 km²

~101M

~305/km²

Ukraine

603,000 km²

~36–38M (wartime est.)

~60/km²

US ground invasion of Iran would be a bloodbath.

Sladem05:
I wasn’t talking about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but rather the American ones in Afghanistan and Vietnam. You are insane if you think the US could invade a country that large.
Iran is 2.7 times larger than Ukraine and it is much bigger, more mountainous and harsher climate.


The US could not even defeat the Taliban and Vietcong In Afghanistan and Vietnam in much smaller countries.

Country

Land Area

Population (2025 est.)

Population Density

Iran

1.648 million km²

~91–92M

~55/km²

Afghanistan

652,000 km²

~42–43M

~65/km²

Vietnam

331,000 km²

~101M

~305/km²

Ukraine

603,000 km²

~36–38M (wartime est.)

~60/km²

US ground invasion of Iran would be a bloodbath.

US did not defeat taliban? How do you guys even revise history.

You used Russia-Afghanistan as example and I had to point out a fact you obviously ignored.

Fact is every nation under the earth can be overrun. Same Persia Alex conquered abi another one? Persia that was mightier and bigger than todays iran was overthrown. What could save them would be US doctrine of rules of engagement.

erniok:
US did not defeat taliban? How do you guys even revise history.

You used Russia-Afghanistan as example and I had to point out a fact you obviously ignored.

Fact is every nation under the earth can be overrun. Same Persia Alex conquered abi another one? Persia that was mightier and bigger than todays iran was overthrown. What could save them would be US doctrine of rules of engagement.

The US did not defeat the Taliban otherwise the Taliban would not be in control of the country. Taliban now have a stronger grip of Afghanistan than they did pre 9/11. How is that history revision? Go on Wikipedia and it states US Afghan War to be Taliban victory. The general consensus with that war is that the US lost.



You speak as if America hasn’t commited countless of war atrocities yet still lost all the wars it started. The country hasn’t won a single war since WW2. And so what that Persia was over thrown? No country including the US can successfully invade Iran. America is getting weaker and weaker. This same country that cant even conquer Afghanistan and Vietnam take on a much bigger and more advanced opponent. America lost to farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam not even a military.

Sladem05:
The US did not defeat the Taliban otherwise the Taliban would not be in control of the country. Taliban now have a stronger grip of Afghanistan than they did pre 9/11. How is that history revision? Go on Wikipedia and it states US Afghan War to be Taliban victory. The general consensus with that war is that the US lost.



You speak as if America hasn’t commited countless of war atrocities yet still lost all the wars it started. The country hasn’t won a single war since WW2. And so what that Persia was over thrown? No country including the US can successfully invade Iran. America is getting weaker and weaker. This same country that cant even conquer Afghanistan and Vietnam take on a much bigger and more advanced opponent. America lost to farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam not even a military.

The way you write make me wonder if I'm conversing with a teen. Its 9bvious what happened 8n Afghanistan but you chose to twist it.

Presidential aspirants have always campaigned with bringing back the boys from Afghanistan and Iraq. Trump campaigned with it( as he campaigned with no more wars this period) but couldn't do it. Biden promised to do so but the withdrawal was so calamitous that several US politicians berated him for it especially Trump.

The US trained and equipped troops who were supposed to push back the talibans but that never happened and the US gets the blame.

The doctrine of rules of engagement made them court martial service men caught breaking the rules. True or false? Remove that like the Israelis or japanese (WW2) and see US be a monster no nation would dare to attack.

Vietnam was during cold war era same with Russia misadventure in Afghanistan. If you have something else worth reading apart from history revision, I'm here.

erniok:
The way you write make me wonder if I'm conversing with a teen. Its 9bvious what happened 8n Afghanistan but you chose to twist it.

Presidential aspirants have always campaigned with bringing back the boys from Afghanistan and Iraq. Trump campaigned with it( as he campaigned with no more wars this period) but couldn't do it. Biden promised to do so but the withdrawal was so calamitous that several US politicians berated him for it especially Trump.

The US trained and equipped troops who were supposed to push back the talibans but that never happened and the US gets the blame.

The doctrine of rules of engagement made them court martial service men caught breaking the rules. True or false? Remove that like the Israelis or japanese (WW2) and see US be a monster no nation would dare to attack.

Vietnam was during cold war era same with Russia misadventure in Afghanistan. If you have something else worth reading apart from history revision, I'm here.

Bro is trying to sound mature. Nothing you state is any different from the western rhetoric or coping shall I say. Even the most patriotic Americans out there tend to accept that Afghanistan and Vietnam were unequivocal US defeats.

You haven’t debunked as to why the US lost but explained what led to their defeat 😅

Rules of engagement? The very act of invading a sovereign nation is a violation of international as defined in the UN charter. Since when has America or the West cared about international law? You keep on rambling about rules of engagement. Abegi get out. Tout like you. Rules of engagement is killing millions of innocent people?


And those are just a hand few of US war crimes in the region in the past 20 years. A million people in Iraq died and America and the West is funding the Palestinian Genocide.

* Abu Ghraib torture scandal (Iraq)
U.S. personnel tortured and abused Iraqi detainees—beatings, sexual humiliation, stress positions, dog intimidation. Photos became infamous worldwide.
* Haditha killings (Iraq)
U.S. Marines killed 24 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, after an IED attack. Widely regarded as one of the worst civilian massacres by U.S. forces in Iraq.
* Mahmudiyah killings (Iraq)
U.S. soldiers raped a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdered her and her family.
* Drone strike civilian casualties (Iraq / Syria / Afghanistan / Yemen)
Multiple U.S. drone and airstrikes hit civilians, including weddings, homes, and aid workers.
* Kunduz hospital airstrike (Afghanistan)
U.S. airstrike hit a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital, killing 42 people.
* Baghuz airstrike (Syria)
U.S. strike reportedly killed large numbers of civilians, including women and children, during final battles against Islamic State.
* Kabul drone strike (Afghanistan)
U.S. drone strike killed 10 civilians, including 7 children, after wrongly identifying an aid worker as a terrorist.
* Support for coalition actions in Yemen
The U.S. provided arms, intelligence, and logistics to the Saudi-led coalition, which has been tied to strikes on civilians, schools, hospitals, and markets

The US was defeated in Afghanistan and Vietnam cause both wore them out through political means. You cannot win a war just by having better weapons especially in a guerilla war. The Taliban and Viets wore Americans out to the extent that they were tired and gave up giving them the victory and the L to America. That is not revising history.

The monster America is 😂. We have seen this monster do 20 years in mych poorer countries and still get beat.

erniok:
Guess you were dropped as a baby and it's reflecting in your posts. So defeat has a new meaning for scallywags like you. So what do we call Germans that lost ww2.

Your talibans would have attacked them when they were pulling out or surrounded them oo capture and execute as they did Afghan soldiers lets how well it'd have fared for them.

Afghanistan Defeated them by political means and not militarily. Really? Then it'd be okay to say the Nazis were defeated politically bynthe allied forces. And I thought I was discussing with a normal human.

You shouldn't use mature in any of your sentence because you're far from that w9rd and know I can go the whole nine yards with you on the insult lane. Be warned.

None of this made sense in ultimately the US lost in both counts because the people did not like American/western ways of life etc.