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Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Newton1045: 4:55am On Jun 29
AMINDA:
The truth is that an Atiku presidency will assemble the best minds to administer this country. Under the Obasanjo presidency, he and Obasanjo had a young and formidable team comprising of Charles Chukwuma Soludo, Nasir El-Rufai, Oby Ezekwesili and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala as the engine room of their presidency. Even Nuhu Ribadu was later scouted and brought in to run the newly created EFCC. Many of us thought a Tinubu presidency will replicate that given the team he put together in Lagos but it ended up being an all-Lagos affair with politics and cronyism taking the place of competence and capacity.
Atiku is coming to recoup all the money he has lost. He has no any plan for Nigeria. Moreover he can even rule Nigeria wen it is turn of the North
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 6:20am On Jun 29
casualobserver:
It doesn’t work that way!

There is theory and there is reality. You are talking theory.
Go and read about the WTO, it will help you
I will ask again;.
Why did Trump not impose Myung-Hee since the US solely decides who heads the WTO?
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Nword22: 8:33am On Jun 29
kayusely70:
President Trump would have blocked her candidature if Buhari didn't back her at that time.
Who is buhari to Trump, the lifeless one? Did you know that Noly is also an American citizen like Trump.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Nword22: 8:34am On Jun 29
Helinuss:
Oga, fact is different from sentiment ooo
Ngo is also an American.. fact.thats was her power. Who is OGA.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Nword22: 8:36am On Jun 29
Wickedfacts:
This one thinks it is a chieftaincy title.
For that WTO role, if Buhari didn't nominate her, she would have been instantly disqualified.
Did you know how many important post she held when buhari was in his Village...did you know she is also an American too.

You guys talks anyhow.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by casualobserver: 8:36am On Jun 29
fergie001:
Go and read about the WTO, it will help you
I will ask again;.
Why did Trump not impose Myung-Hee since the US solely decides who heads the WTO?
First of all it was under Biden not Trump. Secondly that you present a case to me and I become convinced of the merit Of your argument enough to change my position does not mean without my support you can become WTO DG.

Nothing you have put forward supports your position that you can become DG WTO without US backing.

If she could have gotten the job without US support why did she need to convince them by getting US citizenship and swearing an oath of allegiance? At that stage of her life and career, US citizenship is a burden not a benefit which is whe she hadn’t done it till then even though she could.

This is Monday morning, I am not going back and forth on this issue.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Nword22: 8:37am On Jun 29
Wickedfacts:
Big lie
She is representing Nigeria, not representing herself.

Buhari nominated her. She came to Naija to publicly thank Buhari.
She is also American too and represent the world.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Sheuns(m): 9:04am On Jun 29
Mccullum:
It's not Tinubu withholding Odun local government allocation, it's the court directive. Go and verify that.
So what was used to withhold Lagos LGA funds then?

LOL.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by AndroBlaze:
casualobserver:
I am sure you also believe in Father Xmas!

Clearly you are one of those people who believes America spreads democracy and operates by the rules. The US is the world’s biggest hypocrite and they never honour agreements. They tell you one thing and do another. The so called international order based system was not designed for you, It was designed for the US. A country that brought about the fall of the British empire a supposed ally and held them by the balls is not the kind of country that plays fair. The US gets what it wan because it designed the system for them. You are naive if you think otherwise.

The reality of how things work in international bodies be it the UN, WTO etc, is that the US arm twists smaller voter nations by threatening them with sanctions, threatening diplomats with family visa withdrawals/ account closures and school withdrawals for their children and relatives.

If you don’t know this then you are not in a position to comment.

Okonjo got the job only because her appointment was eventually sanctioned by the US and she got that sanction by selling her soul and pledging her allegiance and loyalty to the US. She clearly did not want or need US citizenship or she would have done it long before the appointment.



I suggest you do some history lessons in the origins of these bodies post WW2 beyond the surface level.

This topic reminds me of when I was a child and my father would ask me if I wanted to do something as if I had a say in the matter when in reality (as I would later realize!) he had already made preparations or concluded the matter for the outcome he wanted. Asking me was only to make it seem as if ii had a say….in reality I didn’t and never could have.
By their fruits you shall know them .....Ycee, wherever you are, I am engaging this lost one only because of you grin

With all the long note you wrote, you still failed to answer the simple, question I asked , as to why Trump did not get his way with his only pick....but why you failed to answer and go on a detour is no surprise.


The thing about you people, is you overrate your intelligence, or should I say cunning, and the more you talk untruths, the more people like me will know only God will forgive us if we join your "Asakelike" cult of choruses.

You restated, like the other clown that started this, that Okonjo only got the job after she pledged her allegiance to the USA, and you stated she did this after the appointment.


For clarity, Okonjo became an American citizen in 2019 after having 40 years of connections with that country. Her husband and most of their children and family have been their for ages so there was no surprise at this.

The WTO DG she took over from was Roberto Azevedo from Brazil. He was serving his second term and shocked everybody by resigning EARLY IN 2020 ( his original term was meant to end in Feb 2021).!


So lets agree with your fantasy, "that Okonjo became an American citizen TWO YEARS EARLY because she knew she wanted to head the WTO and also knew that the DG would resign early"....why didn't Trump back her from the onset when he knew she was already a citizen?

Are you aware, that she had to disclose this information during the interview and China was aware of this? Are you aware that China can also delay the appointment of a DG the same way the US can?

From the onset, Okonjo was the only American citizen vying for the job and Trump still did everything to ensure she would not get that job, knowing she was their citizen.

Are you aware that no American citizen has ever been the head of the WTO?


If your primary and secondary school had not failed you in International relations, you would know that their is an unwritten rule among the superpowers that direct this world that they will not put their citizens in direct control of institutions that get to arbitrate and adjucate cases between them, especially when it comes to things like security, law and trade.


So to make it clear again, Okonjo had her American citizenship way before she started canvassing for a position she did not know was going to be available soon and that citizenship was actually meant to work against her as the intial assumption was China would not back her once this is revealed....instead Trump proved to be a maverick as usual and became her hurdle knowing fully well she was their citizen. In fact I am almost certain he felt China would change their mind and support him if they made enough noise about the fact she was already a US citizen (Trump, you peoples Olodo-general usually underestimates everyone too).

But let's hear the next fantasy/untruth you will come with all because you are unable to answer a simple question.


https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3100280/ngozi-okonjo-iwealas-us-passport-will-not-help-her-chances

Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by AndroBlaze: 9:22am On Jun 29
casualobserver:
First of all it was under Biden not Trump. Secondly that you present a case to me and I become convinced of the merit Of your argument enough to change my position does not mean without my support you can become WTO DG.

Nothing you have put forward supports your position that you can become DG WTO without US backing.

If she could have gotten the job without US support why did she need to convince them by getting US citizenship and swearing an oath of allegiance? At that stage of her life and career, US citizenship is a burden not a benefit which is whe she hadn’t done it till then even though she could.

This is Monday morning, I am not going back and forth on this issue.
I am happy you repeated this lie once again to someone else and quoting you to avoid you shamelessly editing it....like you people tend to do
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Obaaderemi2: 12:55pm On Jun 29
givedemwotowoto:
Let’s say you apply for a job you’re qualified for. One of the requirements is that your father writes a reference for you.

You attend the interview and the candidates are narrowed down to 2 based on qualifications.

The most senior director in the company is supporting the other candidate.

You can’t get the job without his support. Suddenly the director gets fired and there’s hope for you.

The new director decides to support you, and that support gets you the job.

Will it be correct to say you got the job because of the reference your dad gave, not the support of the new senior director?
Number one, I wouldn't even be there in the first place if my father decides to favour my sister instead of me.
Then the USA does not unilaterally decides who becomes WTO Director.
So she has Buhari to thank more for her appointment than any other person.
That's what everyone has been pointing out to you, which you know but because you hate the APC which Buhari represented you are arguing.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Mccullum: 1:00pm On Jun 29
Sheuns:
So what was used to withhold Lagos LGA funds then?

LOL.
Tinubu won OBJ in all cases before judges then. You can do research on it.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 1:09pm On Jun 29
casualobserver:
First of all it was under Biden not Trump. Secondly that you present a case to me and I become convinced of the merit Of your argument enough to change my position does not mean without my support you can become WTO DG.

Nothing you have put forward supports your position that you can become DG WTO without US backing.

If she could have gotten the job without US support why did she need to convince them by getting US citizenship and swearing an oath of allegiance? At that stage of her life and career, US citizenship is a burden not a benefit which is whe she hadn’t done it till then even though she could.

This is Monday morning, I am not going back and forth on this issue.
Listen, the election of the WTO is by negative consensus.

All members must back you but most especially, 5 Groups are the building blocks with which you must secure support. In the WTO, it's back or block.

China & Japan
The US
The EU
The Africa Group
Pacific & Carribean States

All 164 countries must back. Even if Nigeria blocks, the person won't be DG. However, these ones I mentioned weild some power. The US couldn't impose Myung-Hee because others others blocked her. That's the easiest way I can explain it.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by casualobserver: 1:20pm On Jun 29
fergie001:
Listen, the election of the WTO is by negative consensus.

All members must back you but most especially, 5 Groups are the building blocks with which you must secure support. In the WTO, it's back or block.

China & Japan
The US
The EU
The Africa Group
Pacific & Carribean States

All 164 countries must back. Even if Nigeria blocks, the person won't be DG. However, these ones I mentioned weild some power. The US couldn't impose Myung-Hee because others others blocked her. That's the easiest way I can explain it.
Like I said, this is not an issue I want to drag. If you think that the world operates based on what you are told, or the so called “rules”, feel free to carry on with that belief. If you believe because countries are given a vote in these organizations they are free to vote and indeed vote freely without pressures and arm twisting, go ahead. Fela who sang one veto vote is equal to 92 was to some an ignorant man just singing.

This is why I said I am done, we are going to spend the next 100 posts back and forth disagreeing with each other, serving no purpose because you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. You are not going to change your view and neither am I so what is the point of the back and forth? I am not here on an ego trip, to be right, to have the last word or care of you believe me or not. I state my view and I move on. If someone offers a superior argument, I acknowledge otherwise I have no interest in convincing anyone. Make of my views what you will and move on!

If my telling you that you are right is what it will take for me to stop seeing this topic on my mentions. Then you are right! I don’t have a problem telling you what you want to hear to have peace! No disrespect but sometimes one needs to recognize when further engagement is pointless.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by orisa37:
ARIKU AND VP TO HIM ARE TOO SMALL FOR NOI TO BORDER ABOUT.


OKONJO IWEALA.
REMI TINUBU.
PROF REMI OBASANJO.
PROF YEMI OSINBAJO
NYESOME WIKE
RUBEN ABATI.
PROF KILA JUST TO MENTION A FEW ARE PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS FOR 2031.
THEREFORE ATIKU ELRUFAI AND CO. ARE NOW W/O.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 2:39pm On Jun 29
[quote author=casualobserver post=139865366][/quote]Noted
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by kayusely70(m): 3:53pm On Jun 29
Nword22:
Who is buhari to Trump, the lifeless one? Did you know that Noly is also an American citizen like Trump.
The condition of getting such international office is that you must be sponsored by your country. Is the woman no more a Nigerian?
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by givedemwotowoto: 1:24pm On Jun 30
Obaaderemi2:
Number one, I wouldn't even be there in the first place if my father decides to favour my sister instead of me.
Then the USA does not unilaterally decides who becomes WTO Director.
So she has Buhari to thank more for her appointment than any other person.
That's what everyone has been pointing out to you, which you know but because you hate the APC which Buhari represented you are arguing.
You’re in the wrong argument. This is way above your head. The person you should be arguing with is someone who is arguing that it’s NOI’s parents who made her get the job because if they didn’t bring her into this world and give her good education, she wouldn’t have been qualified in the first place to apply.

This argument you joined is not the right now. The intellect is not there.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by givedemwotowoto: 1:40pm On Jun 30
fergie001:
Listen, the election of the WTO is by negative consensus.

All members must back you but most especially, 5 Groups are the building blocks with which you must secure support. In the WTO, it's back or block.

China & Japan
The US
The EU
The Africa Group
Pacific & Carribean States

All 164 countries must back. Even if Nigeria blocks, the person won't be DG. However, these ones I mentioned weild some power. The US couldn't impose Myung-Hee because others others blocked her. That's the easiest way I can explain it.
It’s not a straight back or block. You can back, stay neutral or block. Yoo Myung-hee wasn’t blocked by other countries. They didn’t oppose her being the WTO DG, they only preferred NOI. It was the U.S. who opposed and blocked NOI.

It’s like a job interview where 2 candidates are finalists but one candidate is more qualified and preferred, then a senior director blocks her.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by nairamaniac: 6:15pm On Jun 30
fergie001:
Says who?
She is at the WTO today because of politics. No matter how brilliant she is, she can't be DG without the support of her home country. If Buhari said No, she won't be DG of any International Organisation.

Again, Atiku was instrumental in bringing her to Nigeria from the World Bank and then introduced her to OBJ. So, it's listen to them and politely say NO.
It is part of the rules that anybody who must contest must get an endorsement from his/her own country If your President or home Govt doesn't endorse, you fail nomination instantly.
You are getting it wrong and twisted.


Okonjo Iwela's CV was far stronger than the Government's required endorsement.

It's like a King shows up to see you inside your house, but needs the gateman to screen the king and open the gate for him.

Would this in anyway score the gateman's role above the king?


Please she didn't need to be involved in Nigeria politic's to get to wherever she is today in WTO.

It's a privilege to any government in power to have played a role to have endorse her.

He family(parents) are also elites and Royalties in their states.

I have known about them for past 30years, even before I knew about okonjo iweala.


It's not a small family at all.


They are more prestigious tham some presidents we have had in Nigeria.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by nairamaniac: 6:24pm On Jun 30
Obaaderemi2:
Number one, I wouldn't even be there in the first place if my father decides to favour my sister instead of me.
Then the USA does not unilaterally decides who becomes WTO Director.
So she has Buhari to thank more for her appointment than any other person.
That's what everyone has been pointing out to you, which you know but because you hate the APC which Buhari represented you are arguing.
Yoir father would favour you over your sister if you would make him more proud than your sister.
And if you have a stronger CV than your sister and bring more glory to the family.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 8:15pm On Jun 30
nairamaniac:
You are getting it wrong and twisted.

Okonjo Iwela's CV was far stronger than the Government's required endorsement.

It's like a King shows up to see you inside your house, but needs the gateman to screen the king and open the gate for him.

Would this in anyway score the gateman's role above the king?

Please she didn't need to be involved in Nigeria politic's to get to wherever she is today in WTO.

It's a privilege to any government in power to have played a role to have endorse her.


He family(parents) are also elites and Royalties in their states.

I have known about them for past 30years, even before I knew about okonjo iweala.

It's not a small family at all.

They are more prestigious tham some presidents we have had in Nigeria.
I like the point you made here, but you forget too easily

You forget the man, Buhari.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 8:16pm On Jun 30
givedemwotowoto:
It’s not a straight back or block. You can back, stay neutral or block. Yoo Myung-hee wasn’t blocked by other countries. They didn’t oppose her being the WTO DG, they only preferred NOI. It was the U.S. who opposed and blocked NOI.

It’s like a job interview where 2 candidates are finalists but one candidate is more qualified and preferred, then a senior director blocks her.
If China had blocked her and US wanted her, will she had scaled through as WTO-DG?
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Obaaderemi2: 8:18pm On Jun 30
nairamaniac:
Yoir father would favour you over your sister if you would make him more proud than your sister.
And if you have a stronger CV than your sister and bring more glory to the family.
Life is not that straight forward. If my father trusts my sister more he could favor her above me. The same Buhari once supported a non Nigerian Fulani for an international organization job over a more qualified Nigerian for primordial reasons
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Obaaderemi2: 8:18pm On Jun 30
fergie001:
I like the point you made here, but you forget too easily

You forget the man, Buhari.
He is too young to understand that the way of the world is not straight forward
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 8:20pm On Jun 30
Obaaderemi2:
He is too young to understand that the way of the world is not straight forward
A man that can because of the person's faith or region decide to block it, you will shout from here till tomorrow and nothing will happen!
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by Obaaderemi2: 8:21pm On Jun 30
givedemwotowoto:
You’re in the wrong argument. This is way above your head. The person you should be arguing with is someone who is arguing that it’s NOI’s parents who made her get the job because if they didn’t bring her into this world and give her good education, she wouldn’t have been qualified in the first place to apply.

This argument you joined is not the right now. The intellect is not there.
Says a specimen who believes the USA unilaterally selects the head of an international organization that comprises much of the whole world. The argument is above your pay grade indeed.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by nairamaniac: 10:16pm On Jun 30
Obaaderemi2:
Life is not that straight forward. If my father trusts my sister more he could favor her above me. The same Buhari once supported a non Nigerian Fulani for an international organization job over a more qualified Nigerian for primordial reasons
Obviousely, I mean with all normal factors being normal, like "life being straight forward".
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by nairamaniac: 10:19pm On Jun 30
fergie001:
I like the point you made here, but you forget too easily

You forget the man, Buhari.
even buhari as clueless as he was, was conscious of what adds to his own CV that needed his endorsement.

Remember the African Development Bank man from Jonathan's Government that needed buhari s endorsement to become the head?
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by fergie001(mod): 7:24am On Jul 01
nairamaniac:
even buhari as clueless as he was, was conscious of what adds to his own CV that needed his endorsement.

Remember the African Development Bank man from Jonathan's Government that needed buhari s endorsement to become the head?
Jonathan nominated Adesina.

Again, Buhari is never conscious perhaps he was better advised at the time following the accusation of his rabid ethnocentrism. A Buhari will have blocked NOI and nothing will happen, it's simple.

NOI's nomination adds nothing to his CV. He is the President like adds nothing fr.
Re: Atiku Nearly Picked Okonjo-Iweala As Running Mate Before Settling For Amaechi by nairamaniac: 3:08pm On Jul 01
fergie001:
Jonathan nominated Adesina.

Again, Buhari is never conscious perhaps he was better advised at the time following the accusation of his rabid ethnocentrism. A Buhari will have blocked NOI and nothing will happen, it's simple.

NOI's nomination adds nothing to his CV. He is the President like adds nothing fr.
Well you are right.
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