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Nigerians are the one coming for adeboye not obedient. Please correct yourself, more so Nigeria is worst now than when adeboye petitioned government in 2012, and can't say or do anything now

I am not surprised. Obidence are what they are. And their principal never sees anything wrong with that. You will never see him condemn such wrongdoing.

So anyone that disagrees or even attacks adeboye is an obedient?
Unless you want to call majority of Nigerians obedients cos the attacks were massive, even from those that want to disparage MOGs to convert Christians to atheism or islam.

Generalising dissenting voices as "obedients" is an argument for the emotionally insecure, not the intellectually serious.

tollyboy5:
The topic is about adeboye and obidient. But you’ve shifted the goal to government vs Yoruba vs Igbo.


Now who is having the obsession?

I only threw light where I feel the root of the problem is, because you can't explain adeboye (a yoruba man) and obidients (majority from other tribes)... So explain the adeboye vs obidients without going towards the direction I went

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

I'm not obidient, you fulll.

I don't have to be obidient to have common sense. I have never supported Mr Obi, but I will condemn and criticize any word that comes out of that hypothetical fraudster. Bad people

Everyone that disagrees with Tinubu's government is Obidient.

This narrative weak me gan. You can't even demand good governance again without being branded

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

They have incured woe on all obidients already. Peter obi will never be president of Nigeria

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

God go too bless you for this

Image123:
Your master is a chief liar, no news.

I don't have time to argue with little children this morning

Simple
They want him to join their disobedient movement
And the man no send the fada wey fada their fada......
Anybody is at liberty to support whoever they want, bullying or abusing others because they did not align with you is an act of terrorism.
Who go vote or support terrorists movement

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

Shame on you

Adeboye is a useless pastor. Redeem Church is a religious wing of Akara Peoples Congress... I rate a dog higher than the charlatan adeboye.

Cc: CharlesCNG

Why are Obi's haters even attributing every online criticism of adeboye's recent statement to obidients? The last time I checked i haven't seen the leadership of the obidient movement or any prominent supporter of obi saying anything bad online about adeboye.

Kdon2:
They have incured woe on all obidients already. Peter obi will never be president of Nigeria

Adeboye is lower than a dog, that's one thing that's sure.

georgeakins:
Your people ruined GEJ government. People like Anyim, Okonjo Iweala, Peter Obi, Ekeremadu (the prisoner), etc


They took advantage of his naivety to infiltrate his government and messed it up

One cannot blame the failures of the GEJ government on other people, otherwise, you are in essence saying those who blame tinubu's failures on other people are also right.(they are not, by the way).

Also, it makes GEJ look incompetent and weak, and further confirms critics opinion that he was unable to run his government well.

What more do they have in their MOA other than accuse, abuse, curse argue, cancel and blow their tops?

Alphanancy:
That means all reasonable Nigerians are Obidients. Is that not wonderful. The pastor in question has revealed who he really is and people of good conscience can discern that he has been a pretender all along.

Who he really is..hes Adeboye..youre yourself .
He has his opinion just like you have yours .
So Where's the probem ?

PulaPower:
It’s 100% about tribe. And I’m not even saying this cuz of Papa Adeboye, im saying this cuz it didn’t start today… Even you, everything you said shows it all about tribe..

You wanna criticize Papa Adeboye regarding Jonathan and your only reference is 2014. Did Nigeria started in 2014?

Was it not this same Papa Adeboye that personally adopted Jonathan for Nigerians in 2011? Even allowing Jonathan to use the RCCG alter to speak to Nigerians? If you had no problem with Pa Adeboye supporting Jonathan im 2011, then why you having a problem with Pa Adeboye withdrawing his support for Jona in 2014?

Tinubu was now 3years and few months on the throne. Was it Jonathan first 3 years Baba Adeboye spoke out?

Again, Was it only SW that protested in 2014? Why the only emphasis on SW? We surely knows the answer, so you can keep fetching water inside basket!

Infact, despite all the support from the west in 2011 for Jonathan, it was all nothing for the west except hatred… The same eastern people that are showing hatred today, were the same people showing us hatred under Jonathan..

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

Una Agenda is DOA..
Una Agenda can never agend..

If you are saying it's tribe, the same people equally criticise mbaka. Is mbaka from SW?
Let's learn not to associate everything with tribe.
Adeboye is biased.
He could have just kept quiet or simply say i am tired, let the youth fight for their country.
But here is he reinforcing failure

Pastor Adeboye should let us know his political party and save us all this his drama lately

Those Obidients are narcissists and are known for abusive words. This is one of the reasons it will be difficult for H.E. P.O. to win presidential election in this country. They do more harm to PO's ambition.

We Obidients don't hide it, we will drag him as far as we can.

He is a bigot and fake.

You lost your voice now because you're affiliated to the power that be but spoke out when the previous administration was from a minority.

Drink your tea with your god in peace and leave politics, con man.

Lithiumite:
And what's wrong with anybody supporting anybody in the first place,whats wrong with anybody having an opinion tiday and feeling differently about it tomorrow......the legendary ikemba Nnewi,dim odimegwu ojukwu that bravely fought a war of secession which to him at the time saw it as a war of freedom and emancipation for his people but was on record to have later declared that he agreed the war wasn't the best option at the time,someone who fought for and represented biafra still ran for office in the same country he sought to secede from.......that in anyway never diminished his person as a hero in the annals of our history and nobody from his tribe ever saw cause to ridicule him for having a different view after putting 3m of them to the slaughter.

Adeboye is an individual and has a right to his opinion which must be respected by everyone,you do not have to attack his person,thats the highest point of intolerance, how many apc supporters to you see insulting or harassing apostle suleiman or any clergy that is considered a hardliner against their party?

It's actually very evil to claim ojukwu put 3m of his people to the slaughter when history clearly says otherwise was it ojukwu that started massacring thousands of innocent igbos in the north before the war officially started?

So anyone criticizing bad governance and fake god of men dn turn obidient..heart of men is truly desperately evil..omo

So the whole of other Nigerians are Okay with Adebayo ?

floss:
But must yorubas, igbos and hausas live together as a country.... These too much hate between yorubas and igbos, is it not better for igbos to go and have their own country so that yorubas and hausas can enjoy Nigeria in peace.

You criticize tulumbu, they tag you obidients
You criticize too much insecurity and deaths due to the incapacitation of current government, they say
"can't you see the coastal road?

You look at the coastal road and question the way and manner the contract was awarded and who it was awarded, and how much was disbursed, they call you PAINED

The thing about this government and their supporters is that, you're not supposed to question anything, if you ask questions about how the resources is used, they tag you igbo and obidients


What is yorubas constant obsession with igbos that they tag every one not supporting evil as igbos and obidients ?

I expected that when a government is criticized, the government and their supporters come forward with explanations and plans on how to make amends and build the country through transparency so that everyone will stop asking questions.

But rather, their response to criticism is launching tribal attacks, verbal and online wars on people that are asking questions... If you feel attacked by a mere question seeking explanation then you're deliberate in your incompetency in governance

bro too much and bitterness..tribalism sustains most of them..

BATified2023:
but oyedepo is a good man cos he's supporting obi right?

Bishop Oyedepo is a good man because he doesn't mince words when calling out bad leadership, regardless of who is in power.

I don't think I've ever heard Oyedepo mention Obi's name before, but if anyone want to myopically make any call for good governance to be about Peter Obi, if anyone wants to link every call to accountability to be an 'Obidient' matter, then it already speaks volumes about the positive reputation of the man called Obi.

Aren't they Batists, Agbadorians, Ebolans, Emilokans?

They're not Obidients!