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Because the surpossed man of God is talking from both sides of the mouth . Anyway sha, na does wey believe say those wey dey call themselves pastors go make heaven, na dem be mumu

Leave that Useless man called Adeboye, he will join me in Hell... I will show him my true colour in Hell

Does it mean that anybody that is not APC is Obidients, No other persons in nigeria

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.


But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.


him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

On what basis the you arrive, Every voice oposing Pastor Adeboye hypocrisy are " Obedient"

suddenly, We talk of insurgence, You complain Tinubu data boiz stereotype " Obedient nii"

Their is no light you compain Tinubu boiz answer ... Obedient nii

Now these ridiculous habit of ascribing every opposing Voice as obedient is higly ridiculous, over 7 million Nigerians voted for Atiku/pdp ... have All these people died or relocated to Dubai with Atiku

NO Community Will Grow when elder statesmen play Hypocrisy .. we know pastor Adeboye & Tinubu family are very close, thats no crime
But the Man of God should have respected himself than come on Tv to play spoke Aid of the presidency

@ the highligted, no reason person will excuse Failed manager, in office you have dept heads, if his or her team fail the head of that team takes the punishment
if a branch is recording low patronage, the headquarter fire or change the branch manager.. why ??

Tunubu is the chief commander, he can only give orders , he has done his best, he can't wear kakaki nd carry gun

Chelsea fc, Man utd have sacked many Coaches ....what do this coaches do is it not to give strategy, formation, can Mourinho enter the pitch to play the ball himself .. So why is Managers that get fired nd the players that do own goal still retained

Baba defence for Tinubu no follow, thats me being over polite sef

To the Hypocrisy ..What did Papa Adeboye say when goodluck jonathan was president ..just one school kidnap the whole blame was on Jonathan
Now we have over 10 school kidnap then Baba make a sharp turn nd say dont blame the president

So who should we blame, who asked to be president ?? did we force Tinubu to kum rule us or he force himself on us shouting emilokan

Is Tinubu not aware of the state of the nation he inherited considering how close he is to the corridors of power?

This Man himself said, Don't pity me so why would a Pastor reduce himself to the mouthpiece of a politician, when he is supposed to be the mouthpiece of God? smh

This is by far, the most intelligent comment I have read here in a while.

Every single criticism of the inconsistency of our so called pastors is always reduced to "obidients are this and that"

We still have a very long way to in Nigeria.

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

Phoolisness at its peak. You think Obidients are the only ones attacking the biased bigot of a pastor. Shows how shallow you're

He has every right to support bulabu.
But is frying akara a requirement for ordination in the rccg?

This is why Peter Obi is the real threat to APC, Tinubu and every corrupt and incompetent politician.

Every time any Nigerian citizen criticises Tinubu’s government or anyone supporting his government, the person will be termed ‘Obidient’.

When Atiku criticised Tinubu, the blame was on Peter Obi and his supporters, when El Rufai was talking and got arrested, Obidients were blamed. Even when Sowore and VDM lashed out at Tinubu and APC, Peter Obi took the blame.

Lest not forget that Tinubu also blamed Igbos for kidnapping when evidence showed the real culprits whom the man either due to politics or cowardice refused to acknowledge.

I’ve noticed that it’s much easier and more convenient for APC supporters to blame Peter Obi for all their faults.

Nigeria go better.

Las las it's almost all unnecessary banter.

[quote author=Kingpele post=139885873][/quote]Kindly explain or show me the said protest you refer to.

Tenses:
Truly, brain is not a requirement to be a tinubu supporter.
Just look at this child's reasoning. So sickening and disgusting.

The problem I have with these gangsters is the lack of decorum when having civil discourse.
When Obi was going round the Clergymen and absorbing all the prophecies and the YES Daddy's they were Gods oracle.
I have said it over and over, you don't win elections on social media, let Obi go and install structures at the grassroot, then he can be talking about winning elections.

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

Nice write up though, but can you tell or show us instances where Pastor Adeboye actively criticized the past governments?

Show me or tell me at least three instances.

Realguyman1:
Many Igbos was against Ojukwu when he came back to Nigeria and was even calling him a coward including then governor of Anambra State. I have seen many comments before from most apc supporters here on nairaland against apostle Suleiman when ever he go against the government. Didn't they knew he was an individual citizen when they went against him?

By the way who told u guys it's Obi supporters that's going againt Adeyboye? So u guys want Nigerians to be applauding someone who is being double standard in his judgment? Someone who was very vocal against Jonathan government but went mute as soon as apc government took over power? Even despite the apc government taking Nigeria far worst than where Jonathan left it?

I know everything is politics to u apc supporterss (especially those from southwest) and don't give a damn whether Nigeria is burning or not as far as u guys are doing well in politics, which is the reason terrorism/banditery have spread all the country today. And that's why u guys are always calling out Obi supporters to make yourselves look inclined politically and to also create chaos against reasonable Nigerians who are speaking out against the evil government of day which u all supported.

How many igbos?and there is nothing wrong if a few people comment on suleiman,but you will never see it has mainstream apc propaganda like obidients are making adeboye's statement sound......attack his statement and proffer superior argument but not attacking his person....this isnt about who is wrong or right,its about Nigeria and how to make it better.

If it isn't politics why should adeboye's statement bother you?

Mrexcell:
It's actually very evil to claim ojukwu put 3m of his people to the slaughter when history clearly says otherwise was it ojukwu that started massacring thousands of innocent igbos in the north before the war officially started?

If ojukwu had realised earlier what he realised after the war,nobody would have spilled any blood over biafra.

oyichi:
That man's reputation has gone south, this administration revealed who he really is, an insincere, double standard in judgement, fake character who is just out there for his extreme flamboyant life style, to call this one a pastor is an insult to Christianity

You lied, Adeboye's reputation as a respected Elder statesman and reliable religious leader remains intact. You only succeeded in remarketing Obi further. Sane citizens keep telling you guys that politics of insulting any person perceived not to support your opinion is suicidal but in your foolhardiness you still hurled more insults at the gentle elder, see, if peter obi never becomes Nigeria president then it is this toxic aporoach adopted by obidients that costed him the chance. And, from the look of things, based on how well obedients have succeeded in demarketing the guy, No sorry to all obidients OBI WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT -kiss the truth, feel free to unleash your toxicity, I mean bring on your lame insults- it's your trademark

Image123:
Because that's what their elders taught them unfortunately.
Adeboye still complained bitterly about insecurity two days ago. They don't want that, what they actually want is support for their failed agitations.

He truly did.

People wre.judt mad that he did more than he is now doing..when gej was there.

That is understandable given the peculiarity of his situation. Any country whrre religion and politics arent well separated suffers from this.

Lithiumite:
How many igbos?and there is nothing wrong if a few people comment on suleiman,but you will never see it has mainstream apc propaganda like obidients are making adeboye's statement sound......attack his statement and proffer superior argument but not attacking his person....this isnt about who is wrong or right,its about Nigeria and how to make it better.

If it isn't politics why should adeboye's statement bother you?

There are many people in this complainants group..that are not obidients.. I am not obidient..yet i hate the doublefacedness that this man's action will be interpreted into.

10-20years from now when a fanatic muslim is in power and decides to move against the established churches... examples like these is what will be fed into the media to make people accept such actions.. when they start to publicise the amounts given to these churches who still tax their followers as if it is earthly money that's needed to build heavenly homes..then the muslim community will also drag everyone like they are currently being dragged whenever we huge amounts spent on hajj by govts...imagine if the rumour of the matter btw el rufai and the foursquare GO's sons turn out to be true..and the a muslim dominated govt decides to publish it. Can u imagine the shame the entire christian community will be in.

Pa Adegboye's narrow-mindedness, obstinate bigotry towards GEJ had long showcased, most bitterly, far before the emergence of 'OBIDENTS'.

Tinubu's catastrophic failure is too obvious for the blind not to see.

You can label every Nigerian that speaks the truth to Tinubu's incompetence 'OBIDENT', but Nigerians are wiser now.

Yorubas in large numbers are equally condemning Pa Adeboye for his hypocritical characteristics in government matters.

If an elder of Adegboye's level fails to respect themselves and shows dogged hatred for non yorubas, he should be disregarded too.

topatee:
The problem I have with these gangsters is the lack of decorum when having civil discourse.
When Obi was going round the Clergymen and absorbing all the prophecies and the YES Daddy's they were Gods oracle.
I have said it over and over, you don't win elections on social media, let Obi go and install structures at the grassroot, then he can be talking about winning elections.

You people get agitated when ever someone threatens to dismantle the yoke of corruption in Nigeria.

The structure of criminality will be uprooted and dismantled whether you like it or not.

With all due respect, we are alive as we were 13years ago. We say and heard reactions from all and sundry.

Labelling this an obidient sentiment is embarrassing. Many yorubas are not obidient but they also detest the entire precedents of this man in power from the 90s down to the present. Convenient to call them obidient.


That aside, moGs were vocal against GEJ even when he visited many of them for prayers. They still didn't use that familiarity to not talk truth to power.


Why should this now be different with BAT? Why the subtle(doesn't look subtle to me anyways) attempts to whitewash the obvious rot and incompetence by the very man that screamed EMI LOKAN passionately?


I imagine a Prophet Samuel or Nathan refusing to say the truth to Saul and David when they faltered. I imagine Elijah sugar coating the mediocrity displayed by Ahab and Jezebel and telling the people that they're trying their best and they can't do anything else as they can't wear khaki to fight insecurity.


One doesn't even need to be religious to know this very excuses are the lamest.

For heaven's sake over 1000s kids are in captivity for at least 30days and this sugar coating now


Cmon!! Leave partisan sentiments aside and lets open our eyes cos society is not safe for anyone of us to stand behind who can't guarantee the basic requirements of entrusted leadership aka security and economy

Why will a pastor be biased. Did Jesus ever involve himself in politics. Whatever attack he receives, he deserves it 100 %. The man is defending incompetence instead of minding his church business. No one asked him for his opinion which is irrelevant. I say that as a christian. Just because he has the largest followership among the gullible Nigerian citizens does not give him the right to utter harmful opinions. This issue is not about obedients but about truth, morality and compassion for the downtrodden.

Daguccizgreat:
Phoolisness at its peak. You think Obidients are the only ones attacking the biased bigot of a pastor. Shows how shallow you're

You people always expose yourselves faster than your handlers can repair.

The issue was never whether only Obidients criticised Adeboye. The issue is the style of attack: the familiar mixture of abuse, tribal suspicion, “paid agent” accusations, intolerance, and zero engagement with the actual argument.

Many people can disagree with Pastor Adeboye. That is normal. Pastors are not above criticism. But when the criticism immediately becomes insults, political labelling, ethnic framing and mob hysteria, then the feathers become familiar.

And please, calling him “biased bigot of a pastor” while accusing others of shallowness is comedy.
You are trying to prove you are not an intolerant political mob by speaking exactly like one.

This is the Obidient trademark: mistake loudness for logic, mistake insult for courage, and mistake hatred for political awareness.

Nobody said every critic is Obidient. But when a critic quacks with Obidient vocabulary, abuses with Obidient confidence, and dodges the substance with Obidient arrogance, forgive us for recognising the species.

You don’t have to wear the badge. The behaviour has already introduced you.

chidiokay:
On what basis the you arrive, Every voice oposing Pastor Adeboye hypocrisy are " Obedient"

suddenly, We talk of insurgence, You complain Tinubu data boiz stereotype " Obedient nii"

Their is no light you compain Tinubu boiz answer ... Obedient nii

Now these ridiculous habit of ascribing every opposing Voice as obedient is higly ridiculous, over 7 million Nigerians voted for Atiku/pdp ... have All these people died or relocated to Dubai with Atiku

NO Community Will Grow when elder statesmen play Hypocrisy .. we know pastor Adeboye & Tinubu family are very close, thats no crime
But the Man of God should have respected himself than come on Tv to play spoke Aid of the presidency

@ the highligted, no reason person will excuse Failed manager, in office you have dept heads, if his or her team fail the head of that team takes the punishment
if a branch is recording low patronage, the headquarter fire or change the branch manager.. why ??

Tunubu is the chief commander, he can only give orders , he has done his best, he can't wear kakaki nd carry gun

Chelsea fc, Man utd have sacked many Coaches ....what do this coaches do is it not to give strategy, formation, can Mourinho enter the pitch to play the ball himself .. So why is Managers that get fired nd the players that do own goal still retained

Baba defence for Tinubu no follow, thats me being over polite sef

To the Hypocrisy ..What did Papa Adeboye say when goodluck jonathan was president ..just one school kidnap the whole blame was on Jonathan
Now we have over 10 school kidnap then Baba make a sharp turn nd say dont blame the president

So who should we blame, who asked to be president ?? did we force Tinubu to kum rule us or he force himself on us shouting emilokan

Is Tinubu not aware of the state of the nation he inherited considering how close he is to the corridors of power?

This Man himself said, Don't pity me so why would a Pastor reduce himself to the mouthpiece of a politician, when he is supposed to be the mouthpiece of God? smh

You people keep missing the road while shouting that others are shallow.

Nobody said everybody criticising Adeboye is Obidient. Criticism is allowed. Adeboye is not above questioning. The issue is the Obidient pattern: once they disagree, they don’t argue calmly — they insult, tribalise, label, shout “Tinubu data boys,” and then pretend they are doing civic engagement.

You asked why every opposing voice is called Obidient. Simple: not every opposing voice is Obidient, but when a voice abuses like one, stereotypes like one, dodges substance like one, and turns every issue into Tinubu/APC conspiracy, people will recognise the familiar uniform.

On Adeboye’s point, you are also mixing two issues. Saying the President is ultimately responsible for national security is fair. But claiming he must personally “wear khaki” or carry gun is unserious. Even critics admit the security crisis is systemic — intelligence failure, police deployment, military capacity, local complicity, ransom economy and state-level weakness all play roles. Recent mass school kidnappings have drawn criticism of Tinubu’s security handling, but they also exposed wider structural failures in Nigeria’s security system.

So yes, hold Tinubu accountable. But accountability is not the same as pretending one man personally controls every checkpoint, every forest, every informant, every school gate and every tactical failure.

As for “Adeboye is close to Tinubu,” that is not an argument. If closeness automatically invalidates comment, then many of your own activists and pastors should also keep quiet whenever they comment on Obi.

The real hypocrisy is this: when Adeboye says something that favours your political anger, he is a respected elder. When he says something you dislike, he becomes a “biased bigot.”

That is not principle. That is selective outrage wearing choir robe.

With elders like Adeboye, Soyinka, Edwin Clark you know this contraption called Nigeria can never work. The partisanship these so-called elders have displayed in spite of their so-called intelligence and reputation tells you Nigeria has no hope. These men are hiding under their accomplishments in the past to pass on false truth to their numerous followers. When you have a country where the elders cannot stand for the truth, you know there is no hope. The Professor and the Bishop are both misguided by ethnic bias is all you need to know. If the head is gone, the rest part of the body is gone.

ogolemati:
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Thank you for finally confirming the diagnosis.

When an argument becomes too heavy for you, you people immediately prescribe insults like roadside medicine sellers.

Instead of answering the issue — whether criticism of Adeboye automatically means wisdom, whether Tinubu can be blamed for everything while institutions are ignored, and whether Obidients have a familiar pattern of abuse — you ran to “supplement can cure you.”

That is the intellectual pharmacy of the Obidient abuse wing: no facts, no logic, no evidence, just fake diagnosis and cheap mockery.

But I understand your condition. It is called Argument Deficiency Syndrome — when someone has enough energy to insult but not enough sense to respond.

So keep your supplement, my brother. Use it first on your own logic. It is limping badly.