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CharlesCNG:
Thank you for finally confirming the diagnosis.

When an argument becomes too heavy for you, you people immediately prescribe insults like roadside medicine sellers.

Instead of answering the issue — whether criticism of Adeboye automatically means wisdom, whether Tinubu can be blamed for everything while institutions are ignored, and whether Obidients have a familiar pattern of abuse — you ran to “supplement can cure you.”

That is the intellectual pharmacy of the Obidient abuse wing: no facts, no logic, no evidence, just fake diagnosis and cheap mockery.

But I understand your condition. It is called Argument Deficiency Syndrome — when someone has enough energy to insult but not enough sense to respond.

So keep your supplement, my brother. Use it first on your own logic. It is limping badly.

for your mind now you are incharge of your thinking and reasoning.well look at what happened to you below.dont take it personal sha

SeverusSnape:
Adeboye is a useless pastor. Redeem Church is a religious wing of Akara Peoples Congress... I rate a dog higher than the charlatan adeboye.

Cc: CharlesCNG

Thank you for proving the exact point of the thread.

Nobody has forced you to like Adeboye. Nobody said he is above criticism.

But look at your own response: “useless pastor,” “religious wing of APC,” “dog higher than him,” “charlatan.”

This is not criticism. This is emotional vandalism.

You people always mistake insult for courage. Once you disagree with a man, you don’t analyse his statement; you drag his name into the gutter and then pretend you are doing civic activism.

That is why the behaviour is easy to identify.

A serious person would say: “Adeboye was wrong because he blamed security failure differently under Jonathan and Tinubu.” That is an argument.

But when your entire contribution is abuse, animal comparison and political labelling, you have stopped debating. You are only performing anger for your choir.

So thank you once again.

You did not disprove the thread.

You became Exhibit A.

bro4u:
Shame on you

Shame on who exactly?

Shame on Peter Obi, the head of this headless mob, for building a movement where insult now passes as intellect and abuse is mistaken for activism.

Shame on the choir of permanent outrage that cannot answer one simple argument without shouting “paid agent,” “data boy,” “APC dog,” or “shame on you.”

Shame on those who call themselves democrats but only respect INEC when it favours them, only respect the judiciary when it pampers them, and only respect free speech when it praises their candidate.

Shame on the mob that attacks pastors, elders, critics, journalists, traditional voices, and ordinary Nigerians once they refuse to worship at the altar of Saint Obi.

Shame on those who turned politics into a street crusade of bitterness, where every disagreement becomes betrayal and every critic becomes an enemy.

So yes, shame on someone.

But not on the person asking questions.

Shame on the movement that has replaced argument with tantrum, strategy with victimhood, and leadership with emotional blackmail.

Before you shout shame on me, first check the political mirror; your obidient movement is standing there naked.

Lithiumite:
How many igbos?and there is nothing wrong if a few people comment on suleiman,but you will never see it has mainstream apc propaganda like obidients are making adeboye's statement sound......attack his statement and proffer superior argument but not attacking his person....this isnt about who is wrong or right,its about Nigeria and how to make it better.

If it isn't politics why should adeboye's statement bother you?

Which politics, do u think I still support any of this evil Nigeria politicians that have ruin the country beyond repairs? Yes I use to support them before and play politics like others, but when it became clear that apart from Yaradua government, the military regimes was far much better than the civil rules we have be having since 1999, then I stayed clear from politics.

You said Adeboye statement bothered me, as how, why will Adeboye statement bother me? If not for ur comment calling out Ojukwu, Suleiman and Obi supporters and claiming apc supporters are different, I wouldn't have commented on the post. Checked all the post about Adeboye or any individual here on nairaland and see whether u will see any of my comment in any of them. Even if u see my comments, it will be on quoting what someone said just like urs, but not on the original post.

My major concern is how will can eradicate bad governance in Nigeria and that's why my comments only attacked those in governance and those encouraging them to keep governing the country wrongly and not individuals.

CharlesCNG:
Thank you for proving the exact point of the thread.

Nobody has forced you to like Adeboye. Nobody said he is above criticism.

But look at your own response: “useless pastor,” “religious wing of APC,” “dog higher than him,” “charlatan.”

This is not criticism. This is emotional vandalism.

You people always mistake insult for courage. Once you disagree with a man, you don’t analyse his statement; you drag his name into the gutter and then pretend you are doing civic activism.

That is why the behaviour is easy to identify.

A serious person would say: “Adeboye was wrong because he blamed security failure differently under Jonathan and Tinubu.” That is an argument.

But when your entire contribution is abuse, animal comparison and political labelling, you have stopped debating. You are only performing anger for your choir.

So thank you once again.

You did not disprove the thread.

You became Exhibit A.

You are really hustling for this data boy stipend o
Well done Oga Charly.

I can't respect a biased, selfish, insensitive and stupid opinion

Lithiumite:
And what's wrong with anybody supporting anybody in the first place,whats wrong with anybody having an opinion tiday and feeling differently about it tomorrow......the legendary ikemba Nnewi,dim odimegwu ojukwu that bravely fought a war of secession which to him at the time saw it as a war of freedom and emancipation for his people but was on record to have later declared that he agreed the war wasn't the best option at the time,someone who fought for and represented biafra still ran for office in the same country he sought to secede from.......that in anyway never diminished his person as a hero in the annals of our history and nobody from his tribe ever saw cause to ridicule him for having a different view after putting 3m of them to the slaughter.

Adeboye is an individual and has a right to his opinion which must be respected by everyone,you do not have to attack his person,thats the highest point of intolerance, how many apc supporters to you see insulting or harassing apostle suleiman or any clergy that is considered a hardliner against their party?

This is the difference and the real reason people talk. Enyi ya, it has nothing to do with Obidients

Who are the pastors? Those biased and tribalistic elements? No, they are not pastors, they are mostly wolves in the sheep clothing

CharlesCNG:
Shame on who exactly?

Shame on Peter Obi, the head of this headless mob, for building a movement where insult now passes as intellect and abuse is mistaken for activism.

Shame on the choir of permanent outrage that cannot answer one simple argument without shouting “paid agent,” “data boy,” “APC dog,” or “shame on you.”

Shame on those who call themselves democrats but only respect INEC when it favours them, only respect the judiciary when it pampers them, and only respect free speech when it praises their candidate.

Shame on the mob that attacks pastors, elders, critics, journalists, traditional voices, and ordinary Nigerians once they refuse to worship at the altar of Saint Obi.

Shame on those who turned politics into a street crusade of bitterness, where every disagreement becomes betrayal and every critic becomes an enemy.

So yes, shame on someone.

But not on the person asking questions.

Shame on the movement that has replaced argument with tantrum, strategy with victimhood, and leadership with emotional blackmail.

Before you shout shame on me, first check the political mirror; your obidient movement is standing there naked.

BOOZELEE:
Since u still don't want to use ur brain.I plead with u to make good use of it by donating it to luth students for practicals

The funny thing is that if LUTH students need a brain for practicals, they will not request yours, because they are studying functional organs, not political loudspeakers.

You are a classic obidient abuse boi — loud on insult, empty on proof.

So let us return to the matter: answer the argument, not my anatomy.

kullozone:
I'm not obidient, you fulll.

I don't have to be obidient to have common sense. I have never supported Mr Obi, but I will condemn and criticize any word that comes out of that hypothetical fraudster. Bad people

If you are not Obidient, you are doing a very convincing audition.

You don’t have to support Peter Obi to sound like the abuse wing of his movement. The issue is not your voter’s card. The issue is your behaviour.

An 84-year-old man makes a public comment, and instead of disagreeing with him intelligently, you jump straight to “hypothetical fraudster” and “bad people.” Then you want us to believe this is “common sense.”

No, my brother. That is not common sense. That is borrowed mob vocabulary.

You can criticise Adeboye’s statement. You can say he was inconsistent. You can say his defence of Tinubu was weak. You can even argue that religious leaders should avoid partisan commentary.

That would be a proper argument.

But when your response is insult first, evidence later or no evidence at all, you are no longer debating.

You are doing[b] Obidient cosplay[/b] — wearing the behaviour while denying the membership card.

So yes, maybe you are not Obidient.

But you sure sound like one: loud, abusive, allergic to nuance, and fully convinced that insult is a substitute for argument.

Bluearrow:
Are u sure u watched the video of Adeboye?? Because if u did u won't write this nonsensee. Someone that came out to criticize previous government where insecurity wasn't this high at all is now coming out to say if the president should wear Khaki?? Imagine the remark he made on Trump going to bed after giving orders? Trump that is constantly on Truth Social updating the world anytime US soldiers go to war. The man is a politician not a pastor.

This is another emotional detour.

Nobody said Adeboye’s comment cannot be questioned. If you believe he was tougher on Jonathan and softer on Tinubu, make that case with examples. That is a fair argument.

But the problem is that many of you cannot stop at criticism. You jump from “Adeboye was inconsistent” to “he is useless,” “fraudster,” “APC pastor,” and other gutter labels. That is where your argument loses moral weight.

On the “wear khaki” comment, the point is simple: the President is ultimately responsible for security direction, but he does not personally command every unit, guard every school, police every forest, or chase every kidnapper. There are service chiefs, governors, intelligence agencies, police commands, local informants, and community structures.

Holding Tinubu accountable is valid. Pretending every operational failure is solved by presidential shouting is childish.

As for Trump posting on Truth Social, posting online is not security strategy. A president can update the public and still depend on military command structures. Tweets do not replace troops. Social media does not replace intelligence.

So yes, criticise Adeboye if you think he was inconsistent. But stop pretending abuse is analysis.

A serious critic says: “Adeboye’s standard appears inconsistent between Jonathan and Tinubu.”

A headless peter obi mob says: “He is useless.”

That difference is exactly what my post exposed.

YourGFsnatcher:
Truth be told. He should just shut up. Anything he says is not making sense anymore. There's no how anyone can defend that talk. Defending that talk is giving leaders the excuse to be irresponsible. There's no country where the leader is not held accountable. Only in Nigeria where we have people like you Defending mediocre leadership. Mostly I don't blame the leaders, I blame people like you are willing to leave their brain and continue to give these people excuses to ubder perform. I'm not happy I'm jn a country with people like you.

You people keep arguing against what nobody said.

Nobody said leaders should not be held accountable. Nobody said Tinubu should be excused. Nobody said insecurity should be defended. Nobody said Adeboye’s statement is beyond criticism.

The issue is your inability to separate accountability from abuse.

A reasonable person can say: “Adeboye was wrong. The President must take responsibility for national security.” That is a serious argument.

But your own version is: “He should shut up,” “people like you left their brain,” “I am unhappy to be in a country with people like you.” That is not superior reasoning. That is frustration looking for a target.

Holding leaders accountable does not require insulting everyone who refuses to join your emotional chorus.

And please stop this lazy blackmail that anyone who rejects mob abuse is “defending mediocre leadership.” No. Some of us can criticise government failure without turning public debate into a shouting market.

Tinubu is accountable as President. Security chiefs are accountable. Governors are accountable. Intelligence agencies are accountable. Local collaborators are accountable. The system is accountable.

But accountability is not the same as pretending that insulting Adeboye suddenly improves national security.

That is the difference between serious citizens and[b] Outrage Hawkers[/b] — people who think anger is policy, insult is courage, and abuse is activism.

You are not angry because I defended failure.

You are angry because I refused to let your anger replace logic.

Tecno66:
They are attacking him because he joined protest against Jonathan when things were relatively better and is defending now Tinubu. They need to stop all this nonsense about de-radicalized terrorists. It will take us nowhere because they still have sympathy for their colleagues.

My brother, let us separate two things.

First, the viral claim that Adeboye “protested against Jonathan” has been disputed. RCCG recently clarified that the widely circulated photo was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings and insecurity, not an anti-Jonathan protest. So even the foundation of your outrage is shaky.

But even assuming he criticised Jonathan then, the question remains: why attack instead of criticise?

You can say Adeboye was inconsistent. You can say his standard under Jonathan and Tinubu appears different. You can say religious leaders should hold all governments equally accountable. That is criticism.

But calling him useless, fraudster, dog, APC pastor, and all manner of gutter names is not criticism. That is obidients mob behaviour.

And that is exactly what my thread is about.

On de-radicalised terrorists, nobody serious should dismiss the concern. Nigeria’s Operation Safe Corridor has faced real public suspicion, especially from communities and soldiers who fear that poorly monitored reintegration may create future security risks. International Crisis Group also noted that the programme was created to receive voluntary defectors from Boko Haram factions, but public trust and accountability remain major issues.

So yes, scrutinise deradicalisation. Demand transparency. Demand victim justice. Demand monitoring. Demand that no unrepentant killer is recycled into society.

There is a difference between a citizen and an attack dog

A citizen criticises policy.

An attack dog sees every issue as permission to bite. That's who the obidients are.

musa234:
I am not obidient and I also attacked him because he is fake and a bigot. Only you brainwashed individuals and his sheeples support this fake pastor and bigot.

You saying “I am not Obidient” while speaking exactly like the Obidient abuse wing is like a man entering a farm with feathers, webbed feet and a beak, then angrily insisting he is not a duck.

Nobody asked for your membership card. We are judging the behaviour.

You say you are not Obidient, yet your entire response is the same familiar recipe: insult first, evidence later — or no evidence at all. “Fake pastor,” “bigot,” “brainwashed individuals,” “sheeples.” Where is the argument? Where is the proof? Where is the intelligent disagreement?

You can criticise Adeboye. You can say he was inconsistent. You can say he should have spoken differently. That is fair.

But when your contribution is just abuse wrapped in anger, you have left criticism and entered mob theatre.

So yes, maybe you are not Obidient by registration.

But if it quacks like Obidient outrage, insults like Obidient Twitter, dodges substance like Obidient Nairaland, and calls every opposing voice brainwashed, forgive us for recognising the duck.

You may deny the badge, but the behaviour has already introduced you.

kafeii123:
There are many people in this complainants group..that are not obidients.. I am not obidient..yet i hate the doublefacedness that this man's action will be interpreted into.

10-20years from now when a fanatic muslim is in power and decides to move against the established churches... examples like these is what will be fed into the media to make people accept such actions.. when they start to publicise the amounts given to these churches who still tax their followers as if it is earthly money that's needed to build heavenly homes..then the muslim community will also drag everyone like they are currently being dragged whenever we huge amounts spent on hajj by govts...imagine if the rumour of the matter btw el rufai and the foursquare GO's sons turn out to be true..and the a muslim dominated govt decides to publish it. Can u imagine the shame the entire christian community will be in.

Their shame not mi e,whats my business with what anybody does,let everyone reap whatever they sow! Anyone found wanting should be dealt with accordingly be it Adeboye, tinubu,obi,I don't care.

HIGHESTPOPORI:
Any evidence to point it's Obidients?

My brother, asking for evidence that it is Obidient behaviour after displaying the full Obidient starter pack is like asking for a laboratory test to confirm rain while standing outside soaked.

Nobody is saying every critic of Adeboye is Obidient. The issue is the pattern.

When a person does not simply criticise, but immediately jumps to abuse, political labelling, “paid agent” accusations, Tinubu data-boy stereotypes, and refusal to engage the actual argument, the feathers are already showing.

If it quacks like Obidient outrage, insults like Obidient Twitter, dodges substance like Obidient Nairaland, and calls every opposing voice brainwashed or paid, forgive us for recognising the duck.

You don’t need party registration to belong to a political behaviour pattern.

Not every duck carries ID card.

Some only need to quack.

Shut up!!!

And gettat!!

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

DatNiggaDaz:


CharlesCNG

Changing monikers to defend and support loes will not help you and will not change anything. Your messiah will be disgraced out of that snatched Office after decieving Muslims from the North and abandoned them to their fate.

Your faaaake certttifficcate holder faaaake guru str*tegist has been demystified as the woefull failure he is in all sectors.

No amount of gaslighting, lies, propaganda, religious big*try and tribalism you employ will save the roasted fraudulent electricity fraud

My brother, this is not a rebuttal. This is emotional exhaust smoke.

You accused me of changing monikers, supporting lies, defending a messiah, deceiving Muslims, fake certificate, failed strategist, propaganda, religious bigotry, tribalism and electricity fraud — yet you did not answer the actual issue raised in the thread you are responding to.

i know the typical obidient playbook: If you cannot counter the message, try to deflect by going for the messaenger.

That is the contradiction you are running away from.

All this “fake certificate,” “roasted fraud,” and “snatched office” chanting is just political karaoke. Loud, familiar, and empty.

You people have mastered the art of using abuse as a smoke bomb. Once the argument becomes inconvenient, you throw every slogan into the air and hope nobody remembers the question.

But I remember.

The question is not whether you hate Tinubu. That one is already obvious.


So please, park the tantrum and answer the argument.

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Stop peddling lies, it's not Obidients that are attacking Pastor Adeboye or whatever they call that pulpit terrorist. All persons of right senses must criticize his selective conduct because he has shown to be a man who drifts where he sees opportunities, a man who speak from both sides of his mouth, and a man who has no integrity.

SeverusSnape:
Adeboye is lower than a dog, that's one thing that's sure.

That's why your life fail to have meaning. It's the content of your mind that is destroying your destiny. Repent

CharlesCNG:
You people keep missing the road while shouting that others are shallow.

Nobody said everybody criticising Adeboye is Obidient. Criticism is allowed. Adeboye is not above questioning. The issue is the [b]Obidient pattern: once they disagree, they don’t argue calmly — they insult, tribalise, label, shout “Tinubu data boys,” and then pretend they are doing civic engagement.[/b]

Did you see how you have failed again, i know you are @least above 18yrs ... Afams oshiomole you to beba strong critic of Obasanjo govt ... Did he go about it calmly

Tinubu use to be a strong of Any govt as long as it is not him .... If he went about criticizing abacha " calmly" will Abacha ask for his head

they shout, Sowore is a strong critic of govt even before Tinubu, does he use bed room voice
those that led occupy Nigeria at ojota i was there, did we use bed room voice to condemn jonathan

is it not a normal reaction to be uncalm when you are Agitated or pained about something.

when you try to white wash and trivialize peoples pain, agony and loss .... they have every right to express there anger , so far dem no break the law

you want to Tell me Nigeria is the safiest country ....please be ready to recieve anger from those that have lost kids, parent or friends to insecurity
Yiy can never confuse me Agitation, anger or loud voice is pertinent to Obedient

You asked why every opposing voice is called Obidient. Simple: not every opposing voice is Obidient, but when a voice abuses like one, stereotypes like one, dodges substance like one, and turns every issue into Tinubu/APC conspiracy, people will recognise the familiar uniform.

All the things you are attributing now, Bro APC did it in build up to 2015 election, lai mohammed was not civil, infact Apc then called Jonathan all manners of derogatory name which " clueless" stand out
Tinubu play ethnicity, play religious card, name it, Their is nothing you see with the obedient that we have not seen even before there father Peter Obi declare his ambition.
Buhari was president for good 8yrs ... did you hear us accuse him of conspiracy to silence opposition

The conspiracy we accuse Tinubu of now, please check at no time have multitude accuse any past president of such, plss fact check me. Maybe we know Tinubu, he is not a stranger at All

On Adeboye’s point, you are also mixing two issues. Saying the President is ultimately responsible for national security is fair. But claiming he must personally “wear khaki” or carry gun is unserious.

typical gaslighting, Bro show evidence were anyone asked Tinubu to wear kaski nd enter bush to rambo bandit out of existence, shey you see that you & baba Adeboye are just being ****
when Tinubu, pastor Adeboye were telling jonathan to resign, he is clueless, he is unfit ... was jonathan suppose to wear kaaki nd enter bush, then he reffused .. make una they think naw

Does Tinubu look like someone that can win Remi in a wrestle match talk more of carry gun ..that baba wey dey bedwet n shake.

Even critics admit the security crisis is systemic — intelligence failure, police deployment, military capacity, local complicity, ransom economy and state-level weakness all play roles. Recent mass school kidnappings have drawn criticism of Tinubu’s security handling, but they also exposed wider structural failures in Nigeria’s security system.

Oga leave grammar,, Jonathan also have right to All these excuses for failure, But Nigerians we said no if you can't deliver leave, which Tinubu spearheaded himself.
one thing i have realize is, there is always a justification for failure, in a condone environment ... your son carry last for class, 20th out of 21... if you let the boy talk he will explain how the teachers gave him the hardiest questions and put him in the front sit, nobody to copy. very wicked teachers
Did Tinubu give jonathan a listening ear in 2015 , now you feel Nigerians owe him to listen to his excuses abi

So yes, hold Tinubu accountable. But accountability is not the same as pretending one man personally controls every checkpoint, every forest, every informant, every school gate and every tactical failure.

Bro stop beating around i have given you instances, in all structured environment where hierachy exist ....the head always. take the fall for failure or glory for win
Assuming as Tinubu regme begain the military defeated terrorism, Today Tinubu boiz will be everywhere using it to campaihgn exclusively they will say Tinubu did what other president could not ... Bro i no be small pikin ... i don't just talk

As for “Adeboye is close to Tinubu,” that is not an argument. If closeness automatically invalidates comment, then many of your own activists and pastors should also keep quiet whenever they comment on Obi.

Oga ... relationship/closeness invalidates Neutrality as seen in most cases, You see soyinka hiding, he can't even speak against Tinubu govt, early he said people should give him 2yrs ... after nkor baba go hide
look at Tunde bakare thats one known activist pastor, Baba lost his tongue over the night thats what closeness, r/ship do to people with no Dignity
onces it is your person you change mouth, Omo wa ni e fi le ..

Obi is not the presidet, he does not decide Nigeria climate in any form .. so why will anyone objective chose to leave govt nd be opposing opposition. e no make any sense criticize Obi to bring fuel down or do what, please go n be criticizing him naw

The real hypocrisy is this: when Adeboye says something that favours your political anger, he is a respected elder. When he says something you dislike, he becomes a “biased bigot.”

Funnily, in the last 3yrs Adeboye have never said anything that resonate the true mind of Nigeria, thatbman as done nothing but speak from All sides of his mouth .. ..pls bring out any video he served bitter truth to power without mincing words. one

That is not principle. That is selective outrage wearing choir robe.

Please brand my submission, say whatever, What makes me Know i am better than you is my voice correlate with million voices, when i nagg, cry, wail ..charles the public outburst depict i amplified the minds of the voiceless

you know why you must always be on govt side

chidiokay:
Did you see how you have failed again, i know you are @least above 18yrs ... Afams oshiomole you to beba strong critic of Obasanjo govt ... Did he go about it calmly

Tinubu use to be a strong of Any govt as long as it is not him .... If he went about criticizing abacha " calmly" will Abacha ask for his head

they shout, Sowore is a strong critic of govt even before Tinubu, does he use bed room voice
those that led occupy Nigeria at ojota i was there, did we use bed room voice to condemn jonathan

is it not a normal reaction to be uncalm when you are Agitated or pained about something.

when you try to white wash and trivialize peoples pain, agony and loss .... they have every right to express there anger , so far dem no break the law

you want to Tell me Nigeria is the safiest country ....please be ready to recieve anger from those that have lost kids, parent or friends to insecurity
Yiy can never confuse me Agitation, anger or loud voice is pertinent to Obedient




All the things you are attributing now, Bro APC did it in build up to 2015 election, lai mohammed was not civil, infact Apc then called Jonathan all manners of derogatory name which " clueless" stand out
Tinubu play ethnicity, play religious card, name it, Their is nothing you see with the obedient that we have not seen even before there father Peter Obi declare his ambition.
Buhari was president for good 8yrs ... did you hear us accuse him of conspiracy to silence opposition

The conspiracy we accuse Tinubu of now, please check at no time have multitude accuse any past president of such, plss fact check me. Maybe we know Tinubu, he is not a stranger at All


typical gaslighting, Bro show evidence were anyone asked Tinubu to wear kaski nd enter bush to rambo bandit out of existence, shey you see that you & baba Adeboye are just being ****
when Tinubu, pastor Adeboye were telling jonathan to resign, he is clueless, he is unfit ... was jonathan suppose to wear kaaki nd enter bush, then he reffused .. make una they think naw

Does Tinubu look like someone that can win Remi in a wrestle match talk more of carry gun ..that baba wey dey bedwet n shake.



Oga leave grammar,, Jonathan also have right to All these excuses for failure, But Nigerians we said no if you can't deliver leave, which Tinubu spearheaded himself.
one thing i have realize is, there is always a justification for failure, in a condone environment ... your son carry last for class, 20th out of 21... if you let the boy talk he will explain how the teachers gave him the hardiest questions and put him in the front sit, nobody to copy. very wicked teachers
Did Tinubu give jonathan a listening ear in 2015 , now you feel Nigerians owe him to listen to his excuses abi



Bro stop beating around i have given you instances, in all structured environment where hierachy exist ....the head always. take the fall for failure or glory for win
Assuming as Tinubu regme begain the military defeated terrorism, Today Tinubu boiz will be everywhere using it to campaihgn exclusively they will say Tinubu did what other president could not ... Bro i no be small pikin ... i don't just talk



Oga ... relationship/closeness invalidates Neutrality as seen in most cases, You see soyinka hiding, he can't even speak against Tinubu govt, early he said people should give him 2yrs ... after nkor baba go hide
look at Tunde bakare thats one known activist pastor, Baba lost his tongue over the night thats what closeness, r/ship do to people with no Dignity
onces it is your person you change mouth, Omo wa ni e fi le ..

Obi is not the presidet, he does not decide Nigeria climate in any form .. so why will anyone objective chose to leave govt nd be opposing opposition. e no make any sense criticize Obi to bring fuel down or do what, please go n be criticizing him naw


Funnily, in the last 3yrs Adeboye have never said anything that resonate the true mind of Nigeria, thatbman as done nothing but speak from All sides of his mouth .. ..pls bring out any video he served bitter truth to power without mincing words. one


Please brand my submission, say whatever, What makes me Know i am better than you is my voice correlate with million voices, when i nagg, cry, wail ..charles the public outburst depict i amplified the minds of the voiceless

you know why you must always be on govt side

Your long sermon still dodged the main point.

Nobody said APC was holy in 2015. Nobody said Lai Mohammed was a choir master of civility. Nobody said Tinubu, Sowore, Oshiomhole or Occupy Nigeria used bedroom voice. So stop debating the argument you invented.

The issue is not whether citizens should be angry. Anger is allowed. Protest is allowed. Harsh criticism is allowed.

The issue is when anger becomes abuse, when criticism becomes dehumanisation, and when every disagreement becomes “paid agent,” “bigot,” “fraudster,” or “APC dog.”

That is the difference you keep running away from.

On Adeboye, the viral “he protested against Jonathan” photo has been fact-checked as misleading; RCCG said it was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings, not an anti-Jonathan protest.

Yes, Adeboye’s “khaki” defence of Tinubu can be criticised. Even Sahara Reporters and Daily Post reported that he said Tinubu should not be expected to personally wear military uniform to fight terrorists.

But criticising that statement is not the same as calling him useless, fake, dog, fraudster and bigot. That is not agitation. That is attack-dog politics.

So no, I am not whitewashing anybody’s pain.

I am saying pain is not a licence to abandon sense.

If shouting, abuse and insults were solutions, Nigeria would have become Singapore since 2012.

CharlesCNG:
My brother, this is not a rebuttal. This is emotional exhaust smoke.

You accused me of changing monikers, supporting lies, defending a messiah, deceiving Muslims, fake certificate, failed strategist, propaganda, religious bigotry, tribalism and electricity fraud — yet you did not answer the actual issue raised in the thread you are responding to.

i know the typical obidient playbook: If you cannot counter the message, try to deflect by going for the messaenger.

That is the contradiction you are running away from.

All this “fake certificate,” “roasted fraud,” and “snatched office” chanting is just political karaoke. Loud, familiar, and empty.

You people have mastered the art of using abuse as a smoke bomb. Once the argument becomes inconvenient, you throw every slogan into the air and hope nobody remembers the question.

But I remember.

The question is not whether you hate Tinubu. That one is already obvious.


So please, park the tantrum and answer the argument.

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Data boi, you are not important and you have no pathway like your faaake certttifficcate hollldderr to another round of snatching and grabbing

All your gaslighting monikers are well known and there is nothing worthwhile that comes from the mouth and brain of mandate snatchers and grabbers including their supporters other than lies, deceit, propaganda, big*try, nepot*sm, parapoism and tribalism

Mr data boi, you are decieving yourself with your numerous moniker and wasting your unprecious time writing meaningless epistles

I am here to be a pain fir you to wail and change monikers writing jargons.

opeldavid:
Shut up!!!

And gettat!!

“shut up” and “gettat” is not a rebuttal. It is what an argument says when it has fainted.

This is classic Obidient smoke-alarm politics: no facts, no point, just noise once the kitchen gets hot.

So no, I won’t shut up.

You gettat from the debate table first; adults are discussing with evidence.

SeverusSnape:
You are really hustling for this data boy stipend o
Well done Oga Charly.

This “data boy stipend” line is already tired. At this point, even the insult needs salary increment.

When you cannot answer facts, you start auditing imaginary payroll. That is the trademark of[b] Payroll Paranoia Boys [/b] and Evidence Evaders.

If data frightens you, say so plainly. Don’t hide your allergy to facts inside stipend jokes.

And thank you for calling me Oga Charly. At least even in your confusion, you still recognised seniority.

CharlesCNG:
If you are not Obidient, you are doing a very convincing audition.

You don’t have to support Peter Obi to sound like the abuse wing of his movement. The issue is not your voter’s card. The issue is your behaviour.

An 84-year-old man makes a public comment, and instead of disagreeing with him intelligently, you jump straight to “hypothetical fraudster” and “bad people.” Then you want us to believe this is “common sense.”

No, my brother. That is not common sense. That is borrowed mob vocabulary.

You can criticise Adeboye’s statement. You can say he was inconsistent. You can say his defence of Tinubu was weak. You can even argue that religious leaders should avoid partisan commentary.

That would be a proper argument.

But when your response is insult first, evidence later or no evidence at all, you are no longer debating.

You are doing[b] Obidient cosplay[/b] — wearing the behaviour while denying the membership card.

So yes, maybe you are not Obidient.

But you sure sound like one: loud, abusive, allergic to nuance, and fully convinced that insult is a substitute for argument.

I've been a logical human being. Now, I see you people don't deserve reasonable arguments/replies... They are just a waste of time. Your way of winning debates is by feigning ignorance and being hypocritical.
The truth, mixed with insults works better.
I don't know Mr Obi from anywhere and I don't care. I have common sense.

CharlesCNG:
Your long sermon still dodged the main point.

Nobody said APC was holy in 2015. Nobody said Lai Mohammed was a choir master of civility. Nobody said Tinubu, Sowore, Oshiomhole or Occupy Nigeria used bedroom voice. So stop debating the argument you invented.

i dint refer to nobody, i am talking to you, cos you opined, busy body agittion, insults and noise making is pertinent to Obedient. thats how you identify them isnt that what you opined here.
All i did is show you all this attribute are pertinent to humans instead of obedient
i know all the insult we threw at patience jonathan despite showing empathy ..she cried on Tv. i trust Remi that one will rather twerk than tell Nigerians sorry

The issue is not whether citizens should be angry. Anger is allowed. Protest is allowed. Harsh criticism is allowed.

The issue is when anger becomes abuse, when criticism becomes dehumanisation, and when every disagreement becomes “paid agent,” “bigot,” “fraudster,” or “APC dog.”

Bro listen to me, you or Apc are not in position to tell Nigerians how to. cry, these abuse you are so pained about, it is a global thing, check Trump comment section ... you see insults. thats even whote we feel are most civil but they are humans afterall.
The way you are going, You are almost sounding like oooh its only Tinubu time people are not using harsh words, people are now using verbal abuse..... please go back to Buhari era n check if you won't see this outburst, even Buhari children collect wotowoto

you find the insults more disturbing than the failure nd level insecurity distort your mind ..charles who are you people are dying we are trying to hold the govt acvountable then you jump out nd say people stop making noise, it is not his fault. charles please who are you

That is the difference you keep running away from.

On Adeboye, the viral “he protested against Jonathan” photo has been fact-checked as misleading; RCCG said it was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings, not an anti-Jonathan protest.

Yes, Adeboye’s “khaki” defence of Tinubu can be criticised. Even Sahara Reporters and Daily Post reported that he said Tinubu should not be expected to personally wear military uniform to fight terrorists.

i knew it wss 2022, he did that walk protest, infact i corrected VDM on his comment section. However charles i have something that could suffice, now the check is on you to. say na AI edit or print @ attachmentt
Today death scores have tripple Baba Adeboye isbtelling Nigerians Tinubu have done is best let him be .. thats the headline now, pls compare

But criticising that statement is not the same as calling him useless, fake, dog, fraudster and bigot. That is not agitation. That is attack-dog politics

Bro my advice, go n check through Trump comment section nd see. All these things is attributable to humans, not party or obedience or tribe or religion
in 2015, nothing insult wey dem Dino melaye and fayose no call Buhari .. infact Fayose on national Tv compared Buhari to his grandmother wearing bed ridden
Let me say this, where you expect wisdom if you jam ffoolishness there, my broda e dey hurt to the pointt of outburst, not everybody can bottle up no even try pass am to law

I am saying pain is not a licence to abandon sense.

my brother, it is ooo ! if your wife hit you for bollcus wey your brain ring like nokia ..you go don slap am.like two times before you remember your dad said dont beat a woman

on a serious note, do you no why doctors numb some part of your body before they cut or inject, becos pain & brain are not friends at all
what we are asking for how is not making sense,
a. is it Tinubu resign just as you ask jonathan or
b.. Baba adeboye is an hypicrite at this time, he cant make the same headline he made under GeJ. which

If shouting, abuse and insults were solutions, Nigeria would have become Singapore since 2012.

Bro you can't gaslight us with this, they are insulting parade, No way. i have seen countless times Nigerians curse super eagles and i have also seen Nigerians turn around to sing praises of the same Super eagles. if you do well people will praise you, Bro Nigerians are not MARD people, your believe is wrong

i love osinmen, when treated his team mate in a condescending way.. Nigerians lashed at him after nkor we stil sing Osinhmen when we scored

Nigerians are not hard to please, we are not mard people that are just wailing, cursing for no reason, we are hurt, our hopes are shattered nd we have been neglected for too long.

check this headline out,

My outrage? What's outrageous in my comment? I am not an obidient and can never be. My own quarrel with the government is that most of the things they campaigned against during the Jonathan years are the very things they are doing. They matched to Ojota to reject removal of fuel subsidy and increase in fuel price from #78 per litre. Bro, the very things they kicked against has been done by them. I feel scammed.

CharlesCNG:
My brother, let us separate two things.

First, the viral claim that Adeboye “protested against Jonathan” has been disputed. RCCG recently clarified that the widely circulated photo was from a 2020 prayer walk against killings and insecurity, not an anti-Jonathan protest. So even the foundation of your outrage is shaky.

But even assuming he criticised Jonathan then, the question remains: why attack instead of criticise?

You can say Adeboye was inconsistent. You can say his standard under Jonathan and Tinubu appears different. You can say religious leaders should hold all governments equally accountable. That is criticism.

But calling him useless, fraudster, dog, APC pastor, and all manner of gutter names is not criticism. That is obidients mob behaviour.

And that is exactly what my thread is about.

On de-radicalised terrorists, nobody serious should dismiss the concern. Nigeria’s Operation Safe Corridor has faced real public suspicion, especially from communities and soldiers who fear that poorly monitored reintegration may create future security risks. International Crisis Group also noted that the programme was created to receive voluntary defectors from Boko Haram factions, but public trust and accountability remain major issues.

So yes, scrutinise deradicalisation. Demand transparency. Demand victim justice. Demand monitoring. Demand that no unrepentant killer is recycled into society.

There is a difference between a citizen and an attack dog

A citizen criticises policy.

An attack dog sees every issue as permission to bite. That's who the obidients are.

Tecno66:
I am not surprised that the number of mentally deficit people has increased in this country. And that's why people like you cannot make a comment without using foul words. Change so that you are not chained soon.

There’s a level of stupidity that do call for foul words. It’s not actually a foul word but a best description of how someone act.
When the person feels he or she best fit such negative description they become offended and feel attack, tagging the description “foul words”.
We’re having a dangerous population of ignorant fellows of most basic information.
So we need to start classifying them for who they are

CharlesCNG:
The funny thing is that if LUTH students need a brain for practicals, they will not request yours, because they are studying functional organs, not political loudspeakers.

You are a classic obidient abuse boi — loud on insult, empty on proof.

So let us return to the matter: answer the argument, not my anatomy.

So u are still forcing me to be obidient.No time for childish and mumu argument this new month.Please Swerve and look for an empty head like u

Image123:
Because that's what their elders taught them unfortunately.
Adeboye still complained bitterly about insecurity two days ago. They don't want that, what they actually want is support for their failed agitations.

please keep your mouth shut