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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by Kingson28: 2:22am On Jul 02
The proper thing is for churches to train their own instrumentalists. Simple.
If instrumentalists are to be paid, then choir members too should be paid.
Ushers and cleaners also should be paid. Sunday school, children church and youth church teachers must be paid too. Media people should be paid also.
Visitation group members should be paid. Prayer warriors and evangelism group members must be paid too.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by soldsouls: 4:20am On Jul 02
Conman [quote author=EmmyMaestro post=139880128]"If you're paid to play drums in church, you'll never get rich" — Pastor David Ibiyeomie

Pastor David Ibiyeomie, founder and presiding pastor of Salvation Ministries, has stirred debate after expressing reservations about paying church instrumentalists for their services.

Speaking during a recent sermon, the cleric questioned the practice of compensating musicians, particularly drummers, for ministering during church programmes.

He maintained that service in God’s house should be driven by devotion and a desire to honour God rather than financial gain.

Citing Exodus 23:25, which states, “You shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water,” Ibiyeomie said divine blessings are attached to selfless service and dedication to God.

According to the pastor, individuals who focus primarily on financial rewards for church assignments may limit themselves to the wages they receive instead of experiencing what he described as God’s greater blessings.

Debate over paid ministry roles
The remarks have generated widespread discussion among Christians and church leaders, with many expressing differing opinions on whether church musicians and other workers should be financially compensated for their contributions.

While some believers agree that ministry should be rooted in sacrifice and service to God, others argue that instrumentalists and church workers invest significant time, skills and resources in their duties and therefore deserve support for their labour.


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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by verified123(m): 4:25am On Jul 02
This man is a big thief, the highest scammer in christian world. A deceiver, a thief and a big scammer. I hate and detest this man so much.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by BluntCrazeMan: 4:29am On Jul 02
But he can go to heaven.. Right.??

Heaven is the goal.
Let the drum-player get his pay.

God blesses whom God chooses; not whom pastor chooses.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by Jeje247: 4:31am On Jul 02
Just pay them their money. He is getting annoyed by the payments to his drummers and wants to stylish get rid of that leakage. The drummer needs to survive in this harsh economy. Let him enjoy proceeds from drumming and let him worry about getting rich or not. It's his headache. After all, you get paid just for holding the mic and saying whatever you like on the podium
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by otipoju(m): 4:58am On Jul 02
MaxInDHouse:
When will blind ones like you see?

In the Bible musicians are paid from the tithe brought into the temple:


I also learned that the portions assigned to the Levites had not been given to them, and that all the Levites and musicians responsible for the service had gone back to their own fields. ‭Nehemiah 13:10 NIV‬

Back in ancient Israel the people stopped bringing in the tithes and this made those in service including the musicians went out in search of jobs to feed their families.

That's why God sent Malachi to tell the Jews that they are robbing Him because they failed to keep their part of the covenant in paying for the service of workers in the temple!

So if Ibiyeomie is saying this trash what is he using the tithe money for?🤔
If they are playing full time as employees of the church. Yes.

No be sey you go come rehearsal on Saturday, play on Sunday and expect to get paid. How about the ushers, cleaners, Sunday school teachers, and others
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by inyass2580(m): 5:43am On Jul 02
And if you also dy collect offering and tights then you self u be sinner and cnt be succesful
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by kaywhy09(m): 6:04am On Jul 02
Baba will preach for church, collect honorarium, pray for people collect financial and material gifts.

Selfishness
Slave master tactics
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:26am On Jul 02
This man is not talking about charges but seeking free services from experts who have spent their time, energy and resources to acquire the skills.
Of course true religion doesn't have all these nonsense in our midst!
Arostar2023:
No put mouth for wetin no concern you Onye Watchtower! Did the Levites and the temple musicians of old charge for their services ? They never put a price tag on their service to God and the people. They merely fed off the proceeds from the temple. The pastor in question is talking about those who placed a price tag on their services. In as much as I don’t agree totally with what he said, he is partly right.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:29am On Jul 02
otipoju:
If they are playing full time as employees of the church. Yes.
No be sey you go come rehearsal on Saturday, play on Sunday and expect to get paid. How about the ushers, cleaners, Sunday school teachers, and others
The man wants free services from professional instrumentalists that's the issue on ground.
You can go to their church and perform freely if you know how to play the instrument but laying a curse on people because they want to get paid for their services is ungodly!
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30am On Jul 02
galantjoe:
You must be a pastor or barrister
For quoting this verse to counter his greediness.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses such a thing can't happen in our midst!
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by OMBIIGA: 6:59am On Jul 02
MaxInDHouse:
Lamba to discourage his church's jass drummer or talking drummer from asking for money after doing their job!😂
The Pastor is spot on, truly those who serve in the vainyard must not seek financial gain as a preconditions for rendering services.
Please and please we have so many anointed brothers and sisters that had towed this path unkowning, so many of them as we speak have not find their footing in life because of this singular mistakes.
I sincerely pray for redemption for them and may they realize their mistakes and seek forgiveness from Almighty God.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:25am On Jul 02
According to God's word musicians and instrumentalists should be paid from whatever worshipers bring as TITHE so don't let anyone deceive you!

OMBIIGA:
The Pastor is spot on, truly those who serve in the vainyard must not seek financial gain as a preconditions for rendering services.
Please and please we have so many anointed brothers and sisters that had towed this path unkowning, so many of them as we speak have not find their footing in life because of this singular mistakes.
I sincerely pray for redemption for them and may they realize their mistakes and seek forgiveness from Almighty God.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by thrillionaire(m): 7:29am On Jul 02
Righteousness2:
Earnestly Seek the Face of GOD for Understanding of HIS Word.
It will help your Life and you won't be misquoting the word of GOD.
Which one be earnestly seek the face of God for understanding of his word?
So you think you're the one that has gained all understanding right? You see how puffed up you've become in your delusion?
Someone backed up his argument with scripture, you don't have any scriptural backing but it's you who has understanding??

This is why people bash and drag you here for your takes.

Max is correct 💯
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by thrillionaire(m): 7:37am On Jul 02
bukatyne:
Which point?

Aren't full time pastors paid in cash and in kind?

Even Paul said (Bible) Teachers should be paid which they don't follow.

If the pastor does not want to pay a drummer (demanding payment), he should pull off his suit or agbada and drum himself.
No mind this righteousness guy.. too dey form authority in knowledge of God.
Ibiyieomie has gotten rich off the gospel, off his church, but he doesn't want to share that resources to the workers who are worthy of their wages, he's trying to brainwash them to work for free.
This is why many churches have below average choirs and instrumentalists that are not experts, because an expert has family to feed, they have needs.

When Mercy Chinwo and her likes became experts and stepped in, these same pastors got pained and began to complain about the huge monies they had to pay. But Una no wan pay Una workers nau
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by thrillionaire(m): 7:40am On Jul 02
soil4soil:
Do some pastor get paid for preaching, if Yes then every workers in church should be paid.

In some churches do cleaners get paid for cleaning the house of God.

Do security men get paid for securing the church.

Do church administrator get paid ,

So drummers should also be paid. It is now left the person to reject the pay or sow it back to the church due to personal encounters with the Lord
Thank you!!! It's now left to the person to sow back that money by Faith, which is his personal business with God.

Ibiyieomie likes to manipulate and extort people. It's sad.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by thrillionaire(m): 7:46am On Jul 02
ogascomax:
They will come for him now. The sons of perdition will start blasting him for nothing they know nothing about. The church is the body of Christ and it has it systems. Playing drum is a service to God not a ministry in itself. So are the singers, the ushers and those who clean the church. They all minister with their services.
It's God that blesses your service not you demanding for payments. Let the pastor occasionally gift you as a freewill.
Singing and making music is a ministry. Every service to God is a ministry. Stop spreading your ignorance to cheat people pastor.

These pastors get paid from the church and they have grown fat off the people, they now lead extravagant lifestyles which I have no problems with but why not share the goodies with other co-labourers in the vineyard?

Abi y'all think without these people the church can function?
Wicked leaders everywhere.

Pay the worker, it's now left to him to sow that money as a seed in Faith to God, put pay them!
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:47am On Jul 02
This is the sixth generation of the rich man in Jesus' parable {Luke 16:28} that is why they are being tormented each time they are exposed as brothers of the Pharisees seeing people who never attended their theology schools where everything has been programmed using the scriptures to prove them wrong! Luke 16:23

They do whatever they like with God's word and humble people will gladly eat whatever drops from their spiritual table {Luke 16:19-21} so they expect it to always be that way until America declared freedom of speech expression and worship. Before then whoever tries to own a copy of the Bible will be executed and whoever tries to interpret the Bible into common language that everyone could understand will be executed. It's America that declared that since the Bible is God's word everyone should have access to it. So today that they can't arrest or persecute anyone for reading God's word on his own they're now lying that the understanding is for them alone.

What is there in quoting the scriptures to prove that Ibiyeomie is right?🤔

thrillionaire:
Which one be earnestly seek the face of God for understanding of his word?
So you think you're the one that has gained all understanding right? You see how puffed up you've become in your delusion?
Someone backed up his argument with scripture, you don't have any scriptural backing but it's you who has understanding??

This is why people bash and drag you here for your takes.

Max is correct 💯
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by victorazyvictor(m): 7:49am On Jul 02
Mariangeles:
What a harsh thing to say.

Yet, Jesus Christ said to His disciples the labourer is worthy of his hire.

"...you will never get rich"? If men were God...

Like I've stated before; if you're a Christian, get to know the Word of God for yourself, to avoid being swayed here and there with all kinds of teachings.
You how many times you read Bible a day?
It is when you open the Bible you will under the word of God in it.

He is right BUT he didn't put it well.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by soil4soil(m): 7:51am On Jul 02
fineboynl:
what you don’t understand he was bot talking about not paying. He was talking about they have received their reward already instead of blessing. This are 2 things entirely
Let them be paid leave the blessing for God.
A worker is worthy of their wages.

As I said earlier it's left for the person to sow the money back into the church but paid them first
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51am On Jul 02
victorazyvictor:
You how many times you read Bible a day?
It is when you open the Bible you will under the word of God in it.
He is right BUT he didn't put it well.
He lied!
Many instrumentalists have become rich he's only trying to prevent them from being paid adequately!
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by thrillionaire(m): 7:51am On Jul 02
MaxInDHouse:
This is the sixth generation of the rich man in Jesus' parable {Luke 16:28} that is why they are being tormented each time they are exposed as brothers of the Pharisees seeing people who never attended their theology schools where everything has been programmed using the scriptures to prove them wrong! Luke 16:23

They do whatever they like with God's word and humble people will gladly eat whatever drops from their spiritual table {Luke 16:19-21} so they expect it to always be that way until America declared freedom of speech expression and worship. Before then whoever tries to own a copy of the Bible will be executed and whoever tries to interpret the Bible into common language that everyone could understand will be executed. It's America that declared that since the Bible is God's word everyone should have access to it. So today that they can't arrest or persecute anyone for reading God's word on his own they're now lying that the understanding is for them alone.

What is there in quoting the scriptures to prove that Ibiyeomie is right?🤔
Thank you brovv.
I hate it that when someone makes a correction backed with scriptures these religious zealots like righteousness will say "pray for understanding", as if he's the gatekeeper of all understanding.

Now I believe he's a pastor working with the other greedy cabal to keep making merchandise of the gospel without sharing the proceeds with other co-labourers.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by simpleseyi: 8:00am On Jul 02
But you will get rich if you are paid to preach in the Church. Useless thief
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by victorazyvictor(m): 8:01am On Jul 02
MaxInDHouse:
He lied!
Many instrumentalists have become rich he's only trying to prevent them from being paid adequately!
How many of them have made it to Fobes?
You can't be rich by playing drum, but God can catapot u from humble playing of drums to something else.

As a drummer, you're a minister, and minister of who? God! When you play and they pay you, you're no more a minister but a contractor, God's miracles are limited where you are, and you can never be rich with the pienuts they pay you.

Many rich gospel ministers you here today paid for it by first, serving God in truth. God has to bless them because He says " work in my vineyard and I will work in yours"
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by Babinski: 8:03am On Jul 02
Righteousness2:
The pastor is on point.
But I will rather put it this way,

If Money is your Motivation in your service to GOD, You are a Joker.
The saying is correct, but it does not lie in his mouth to say such. Does he himself earn honest and reasonable wages from his job as Pastor or he see the church income as belonging to him? A Pastor buying Tesla from church income and even displaying same on Social Media cannot tell a church h drummer to forfeit being paid. Both are driven by materialism and content to get their benefits in this world.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by Reloadedisraelp: 8:20am On Jul 02
No be who chop bellefull dey get strength play drums 🙄
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:27am On Jul 02
Do you know how much drummers are earning per show?
Most of them are living large than you can think of course it's not everyone that will become a billionaire even Ibiyeomie himself can't be rich if not due to the tithe paid by churchgoers so it's a lie.
Meanwhile God is not interested in the riches of this world most servants of God in the Bible aren't rich materially!
victorazyvictor:
How many of them have made it to Fobes?
You can't be rich by playing drum, but God can catapot u from humble playing of drums to something else.

As a drummer, you're a minister, and minister of who? God! When you play and they pay you, you're no more a minister but a contractor, God's miracles are limited where you are, and you can never be rich with the pienuts they pay you.

Many rich gospel ministers you here today paid for it by first, serving God in truth. God has to bless them because He says " work in my vineyard and I will work in yours"
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by victorazyvictor(m): 8:41am On Jul 02
MaxInDHouse:
Do you know how much drummers are earning per show?
Most of them are living large than you can think of course it's not everyone that will become a billionaire even Ibiyeomie himself can't be rich if not due to the tithe paid by churchgoers so it's a lie.
Meanwhile God is not interested in the riches of this world most servants of God in the Bible aren't rich materially!
If he wasn't a billionaire, I would question God why.

"Work in my vineyard and I will work in yours" (Mathew 20:4)

God can not be working in ur vineyard and remain poor.
Foolish thinking of every church goers are pastors dwells on Tithes, if is easy go and become one na grin or are you wiser than those giving him the Tithes to eat? grin

You can be a professional drummer, you can earn according to your level, but you can't be richer than a minister.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by NwokoloOwa: 8:48am On Jul 02
Exousiang01:
Hehehehe.
But when you go to minister in other churches you get paid.
You call it honorarium.
Sick.....
When you invite guest artist to minister you pay them.
But you want the drummer who comes for every service in the week and plays for multiple services on Sundays not to get paid.

Na very few of us go dey that heaven
I am shocked. Who pays for the Pastor's church works?
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by HallahGeisher: 8:52am On Jul 02
Is it not better to stay away from other people's business enterprise? Bunch of liars and wicked manipulators .
You pay your secretary ,
you pay your church accountant ,
you pay yourself , your wives and maids
When you invite a guest artist, you pay them heavily.
When you go visit another church or you invite other pastors , they pay you or you pay them honorarium .

but the boys drumming are the church problems . It is well any one who doesn't use his or her brain will end up serving a pastors business enterprise for donkey years , used and dumped . You will not be useful to yourself again cos they would have wasted your productive years.
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Are Paid To Play Drums In Church, You'll Never Get Rich by HallahGeisher: 8:53am On Jul 02
NwokoloOwa:
I am shocked. Who pays for the Pastor's church works?
Pastors are paid from tithes after they might have paid their out. Stop encouraging manipulative people
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